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toocky
15-11-2007, 12:13 PM
hey was wondering what the benefits of twin supercharging a car would be, i have bee doing a bit of research into it and mostly all i find is the concept used on super cars e.g. (http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/ferrari-f430-bi-evoluzione.htm) but next to none in every day cars, if anyone has any input i would greatly appreciate it.
Matty_J
15-11-2007, 12:25 PM
hey was wondering what the benefits of twin supercharging a car would be, i have bee doing a bit of research into it and mostly all i find is the concept used on super cars e.g. (http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/ferrari-f430-bi-evoluzione.htm) but next to none in every day cars, if anyone has any input i would greatly appreciate it.
I didnt even think it was possible to run twin superchargers as most cars can barely fit one into there engine bay, trying to fit two in would be almost impossible depending on the charger itself of course, supercars would be able to like the F430 as they have bigger engine bays, for a magna or any other family car it would be almost impossible!!!
very good read though!!
I didnt even think it was possible to run twin superchargers as most cars can barely fit one into there engine bay, trying to fit two in would be almost impossible depending on the charger itself of course, supercars would be able to like the F430 as they have bigger engine bays, for a magna or any other family car it would be almost impossible!!!
very good read though!!
unless u ran one like the raptor style and the sprintex style there was be room in the magna engine bay for it
likeashot
15-11-2007, 12:34 PM
Just thinking out loud would you run them "one into the other" or one for each bank I.E. front and rear?
andrewd
15-11-2007, 12:35 PM
the only reason to put 2 superchargers on one car is to say, my penis is larger than your penis!
look at top fuel, 5000+hp one s/c!
top hp hero street cars 2000hp 1 s/c
the cars with 2 s/c's are for thr WOW factor
that mustang with the 2 stacked on top of each other is just plain silly
the discharge temps are high enough from s/c #1 then the air that already heated goes through s/c #2 further heating it... also no intercooling on that car..
no 2 vortech style s/c's are just plain silly as well... much harder to set up due to needing to be driven fron the crank, and there are massive prochargers that support 2000+hp so if you 1 tiny snail isnt supplying enough air, upgrade to a bigger one
the idea of 2 smaller s/c to overcome lag of a bigger one would not work out after you factor in cost mounting etc...
just go turbo!
http://www.lateral-g.org/distad/DSC08105%20copy.jpg
http://www.airide.com.au/images/Gary%20Myers%20Silver%20Bullet-5.jpg
Spackbace
15-11-2007, 01:11 PM
twin turbo would be more sensible, especially if u had say 1 small one that winds up fast to push the bottom end, then a bigger one to get the top end... i actually seem to recall a supercar that does this :confused:
or you could go twin v8s:
http://www.torinocobra.com/autorama2002/autorama_2002_48.jpg
http://www.petersen.org/images/Exhibitimages/Full%20Size%20Twin%20Mill.jpg
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/532/0307srmilestones02zzt9.jpg
Screamin TE
15-11-2007, 01:16 PM
superturbo!!!!!!
have turbo/s feeding into the supercharger!!!!!!
lenda
15-11-2007, 01:22 PM
I agree twin turbo with a super charger
That's actually pretty good, as you have the PD supercharger for down low, then the turbos for higher revs.
Nissan Super Turbo (http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_2216/article.html)
mad082 magna
15-11-2007, 02:40 PM
twin turbo would be more sensible, especially if u had say 1 small one that winds up fast to push the bottom end, then a bigger one to get the top end... i actually seem to recall a supercar that does this
the 2jz runs a setup like this, as does one model of the rx7. but they both use 2 turbos the same size (which makes it more efficient at high rpm). they use a valve in the manifold that directs all exhaust gas through the primary turbo until a set point, then it starts to open to spool up the second turbo, but none of the second turbos compressor output is used until another set point where the exhaust gases are evenly distributed between the 2 turbos.
TZABOY
15-11-2007, 03:31 PM
hmmm so i could throw a big single turbo on my car as well . . . interesting :cool:
NEDDDY
15-11-2007, 03:36 PM
not sure if gary myers's twin supercharged mustang has been run with both superchargers, ive seen it goin wif only one. n also theres a lil green gemeni gettin around thats twin super charged
andrewd
15-11-2007, 10:10 PM
:reply to now deleted post: :S
thats the ripp mods s/c kit 3.0L only and cost $$$$$ esp to ship to aus
raptor will be very smilar, same basic blower design and pretty cheap
thats if the raptor ever happens!
you could just buy your own s/c and get some reall cluey person to sort out the rest... it not that hard to be honest
toocky
16-11-2007, 12:35 AM
:reply to now deleted post: :S
thats the ripp mods s/c kit 3.0L only and cost $$$$$ esp to ship to aus
raptor will be very smilar, same basic blower design and pretty cheap
thats if the raptor ever happens!
you could just buy your own s/c and get some reall cluey person to sort out the rest... it not that hard to be honest
sorry about deleting the post just thought id do a bit more reading first, and i must say god there are some immature idiots over there, that out of the way i came across this (http://www.club3g.com/forum/members-rides/70779-club-eclipse-gt-modifications-nos-turbo-supercharger.html) doing some more late night googling and from what i gather from this (http://club3g.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70489) and this (https://www.rippstore.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=0005SDSV61) the guy in the first thread has a 6g74 fitted in his Eclipse and a ripp supercharger for a Eclipse fitted to it now what i was thinking is there are eclipse's in aus surely there are these superchargers (or close to) in aus as well
would be nice if raptor did happen
eyes are hurting
twin s/chargers, yay..
And yes TZABOY, you could run a sequential set-up even! (like a supra, one small one for quick response down low and a big maggot GT40R or something for uptop ;) )
andrewd
16-11-2007, 06:21 AM
twin s/chargers, yay..
And yes TZABOY, you could run a sequential set-up even! (like a supra, one small one for quick response down low and a big maggot GT40R or something for uptop ;) )
to be honest i dont think TZABOY needs a twin charger set up for down low and up top
his sprintex boosts 10.5psi from 2000rpm till 7000rpm not really missing ot on anything there down low or up top.... unless he wanted 10.5psi at 2000rpm and 30psi at 7000rpm lol
Lucifer
16-11-2007, 06:32 AM
to be honest i dont think TZABOY needs a twin charger set up for down low and up top
his sprintex boosts 10.5psi from 2000rpm till 7000rpm not really missing ot on anything there down low or up top.... unless he wanted 10.5psi at 2000rpm and 30psi at 7000rpm lol
Can you say torque steer lol
andrewd
16-11-2007, 07:04 AM
Can you say torque steer lol
im sure he can! lol
i cant, cos i dont get any, even when i was chock full of supercharged goodness, nail it and it was straight as an arrow, awd has atleast that one benefit!
that 2 engine car is awesome
anyone rember the 2 engine old holden ute? lol
has a 253 under the bonnet and a supercharged 350 in the tray, was in street machine about 18years ago heaps i got rid of all my vintage copies so i can post up a pic
Killer
16-11-2007, 07:06 AM
to be honest i dont think TZABOY needs a twin charger set up for down low and up top
his sprintex boosts 10.5psi from 2000rpm till 7000rpm not really missing ot on anything there down low or up top.... unless he wanted 10.5psi at 2000rpm and 30psi at 7000rpm lol
Any much more than that and..... did I just hear a drive gear snap?
Anyway, food for thought - if one has $ 100 G to waste. :D
andrewd
16-11-2007, 07:08 AM
Any much more than that and..... did I just hear a drive gear snap?
Anyway, food for thought - if one has $ 100 G to waste. :D
http://i19.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/c3/c5/3ef8_1.JPG
this is i pic of that holden ute, then it was made over after this again, can find anything more on it though
Killer
16-11-2007, 07:52 AM
this is i pic of that holden ute, then it was made over after this again, can find anything more on it though
My ref was made re a Magna in general. Still very bitter after spending 2500 on auto-gearbox re-build just recently. And I only have 110 Kw @ wheels with 6700 RPM to spin the heck outta the pathetic 'box. :cry:
[TUFFTR]
16-11-2007, 07:55 AM
http://i19.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/c3/c5/3ef8_1.JPG
this is i pic of that holden ute, then it was made over after this again, can find anything more on it though
I know i was born around that time andrewD but my dad had all those magazine too that i loved reading. Does the top Left one have a picture of a Red XY And have the title "Wild fire?"
Ahhh and the bottom right one...with the EA...man thats when street machine had some really nice cars back then....
TZABOY
16-11-2007, 09:58 AM
had my exhaust mate over last night playing cars and we spoke about it for a giggle. I'd get the rear TT turbo manifold that dave sells and bolt a turbo on that, then its a plumbing nightmare. We'd have to make new chambers in the sprintex housing with the s/c venting to atmosphere when the turbo pumps more than 10psi, and the turbo venting to atmosphere when its below 10psi.
In conclusion, can i plz borrow someones GT40? anyone?
some awesome info on the club3g site, i wish i knew about that site long ago. With the current exchange rate so good, would be a cheap mod to buy the centrifical blower from the states! you'd probably have it in your car for 5-6 grand
FROGi
16-11-2007, 10:16 AM
I know it's not twin supercharged, but **** it, it's close...
http://www.redcliffedyno.com/redcliffedyno/store/288.jpg
http://www.redcliffedyno.com/redcliffedyno/store/301.jpg
http://www.redcliffedyno.com/redcliffedyno/store/287.jpg
Twin turbo'd, supercharged big block LJ Torana.
MINT car, even without the stupidly crazy engine!
I read somewhere though that this engine's been taken out and sold to someone else...
Spackbace
16-11-2007, 10:35 AM
i actually thought i hard bad things about the RIPP s/c's, guys on galant center used to knock them all the time (unless it was another brand)... i guess maybe same as sprintex, just not living up to expectations or something :confused:
Geez I didn't feel old till tuff tr said his Dad bought those mags... I've got those and more stored away somewhere, including some of the first ever Street Machine mags and even Van Wheels for the seriously aged.
BloBak was the ute I think?
mad082 magna
16-11-2007, 01:39 PM
twin s/chargers, yay..
And yes TZABOY, you could run a sequential set-up even! (like a supra, one small one for quick response down low and a big maggot GT40R or something for uptop ;) )
the whole point of running a sequential system isn't to use 2 different size turbos. if you did, you would have to have it piped so that smaller turbo gets completely blocked off from both the exhaust side and the compressor side once the bigger one kicks in, otherwise you would have more lag than if you just ran the bigger turbo by itself, and you would have air coming back out of the compressor side because it would be over powered by the bigger turbo. the design is so that at low rpm you have 1 smallish turbo being fed by 6 cylinders and up top you have 2 smallish turbos being fed by 3 cylinders each.
EZ Boy
16-11-2007, 05:31 PM
The RIPP kits are discontinued. They had several areas that needed attention:
1) The idler/tensioner pulley would frequently un-tension
2) Tuning was very difficult due to the kit boosting THROUGH the airflow meter and not boosting AFTER the airflow meter
3) No intercooling option (despite the obvious water-to-air option), therefore 2x injectors place fuel into the air charge to cool the charge temp. Yes I regard this is as a serious weakness.
4) I think the wrong SC was used, a Vortech V9 would produce much better results with higher boost available.
Here are some pics for those uninitiated with the kit:
Apollo441
16-11-2007, 05:44 PM
Geez I didn't feel old till tuff tr said his Dad bought those mags... I've got those and more stored away somewhere, including some of the first ever Street Machine mags and even Van Wheels for the seriously aged.
BloBak was the ute I think?
Never mind buying them, i can read them for free at work :P
toocky
17-11-2007, 01:16 AM
The RIPP kits are discontinued. They had several areas that needed attention:
1) The idler/tensioner pulley would frequently un-tension
2) Tuning was very difficult due to the kit boosting THROUGH the airflow meter and not boosting AFTER the airflow meter
3) No intercooling option (despite the obvious water-to-air option), therefore 2x injectors place fuel into the air charge to cool the charge temp. Yes I regard this is as a serious weakness.
4) I think the wrong SC was used, a Vortech V9 would produce much better results with higher boost available.
Here are some pics for those uninitiated with the kit:
thats a real pitty all the best to raptor
SportsTH
17-11-2007, 05:29 AM
As Ez said the MAF is in the path of boost. Why can't the MAF be relocated to just before the pod filter as many have done with CAI down towards the bumper.
Redav
17-11-2007, 08:55 AM
twin turbo would be more sensible, especially if u had say 1 small one that winds up fast to push the bottom end, then a bigger one to get the top end...
You mean like a Supra or Liberty B4?
mad082 magna
19-11-2007, 12:16 PM
You mean like a Supra or Liberty B4?
the supra runs 2 identical sized turbos. the liberty runs 2 different sized turbos but they are only slightly different in size.
Redav
19-11-2007, 01:49 PM
the supra runs 2 identical sized turbos. the liberty runs 2 different sized turbos but they are only slightly different in size.
Details... I was just referring to two common sequential setups. Wasn't aware that the Supra turbos were the same size though. Cheers.
bentattoo
19-11-2007, 07:42 PM
I love the thort of twin superchargers....... if it worked well.
But with a lot of coin........ anything can work.:D
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