I have a 2003 TJ magna and I am currently looking to upgrade my stock speakers. I already have a new head unit with 4 x 50 watt speaker output and would appreciate any help regarding new speakers.

Please write down any ideas for my sound system such as speaker type (2 way, 3 way etc) size and brand, amp information and any other details neccessary.

I am looking to spend around $350 maximum.

Cheers Guys

if your only going to spend 350max

Response 6.5" splits and response 6x9's will come in under that $$ ammount and be the best value for $$ and sound pretty good unamped and a big improvment

jaycar.com.au

$350 for amp and speakers?

Or you just after speakers?

Your headunit will put out 4x50 w peak, not RMS.

Is this stage 1? - you looking to go further down the track?

If so spend the $350 on decent front splits
Upgrade to an amp later (4 channel)

And then u can get a sub as well.

Leave the rears stock.

$350 max for speaker only need an amp if it is neccessary i dont know anything about car audio and need any help i can get.

This will probably be the only step in changing my sound system

Thanx

Probably not enough to get amp and speakers, but at the same time, your budget is almost too much, as the increase in quality of speakeres compared to $250 ones will probably be neglible without an amp. Response splits are good, or look at the Pioneer 'silver bullet' ones, which on special can be had for less than $300 on special.

Ollie

...I already have a new head unit with 4 x 50 watt speaker output and would appreciate any help regarding new speakers...

What model (exactly) is your head unit?
Depending on what it is; that may well define the upper reaches of usefullness in your speakers without adding an amp to the equation.

As has been observed, your budget really won't be enough to put in an amp plus the speakers and as such high power requiring speakers may actually end up not sounding too crash hot as your unit is unable to drive much of their potential before it starts to clip and transmit DC, thus destroying your voice coils.

Some head unit manufacturers tend to make more optimistic claims of "4x50" than others. Alpine is one example that I would say the "4x50" isn't too unreasonable and the RMS wattages tend to be fairly decent. Unfortunately a set of 6x9's that like are 80W RMS and 400W peak (or instance) could potentially sound a bit trashy when driven at the 9 - 10 W RMS of an average head.

All that said, I've personally had great experience with Response equipment. My last sub and amp were both response and the sound quality (and volume) produced by them was comparable to when it was an MTX sub and Clarion amp. (Both 250W RMS 15" subs and both amps running bridged at about 300W RMS). I had a set of very early model response 3-ways in my old gemini a few years ago. driven off a low-end kenwood deck they sounded a million miles better than the stock paper cone ones.

Perhaps you should go down the route of getting some cheaper splits for the front ( say around $150 ) like Jaycar, Alpine Type S, Hertz Deici and get a cheap 2ch amp such as the 2x50WRMS for like $160. Add some wires and you will there.

All you need is a mate to help you put it in... :D

LOL my head unit doesnt have a brand i bought if of ebay and it has tv,dvd etc....

id go the soundstream but then again, id avoid ebay for car audio

For the money them seem alright, though never heard them personally or know of any proffesional opinion on them. But that way you can get yourself a decent amp too, in fact you coudl probably get a 4 channel response, then that way in the future if you want to add a sub, you can bridge two channels to power the sub. You would then have a fairly decent install, well everyone has a different opionion of 'decent', but it will sound much much better than any stock system

Ollie

What is the difference between 2 way, 4 way etc

What is the difference between 2 way, 4 way etc
2 way/channel is a manufacturer's way of telling you how many cones are in the coaxial speaker, each cone will be a different size to accommodate different sound frequencies.


hey i found these ones on ebay, they look sick

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Will they work in my car and what are component speakers?
Yeah, they'll work in your car, should be ok to run un-amped too, they seem to me like Fusion's entry level component speakers (aka splits, have a crossover to distribute correct frequency ranges to their respective speaker)

[QUOTE=Lucifer]2 way/channel is a manufacturer's way of telling you how many cones are in the coaxial speaker, each cone will be a different size to accommodate different sound frequencies.
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Component speakers are also 2 way/3way etc, not just coaxials.

For the money, dont think you will get much better than those speakers, dont know anything about them, but proper splits from a pretty decent brand, gonna be way better than you current setup anyway.

Ollie

I think i have decided......

For the front speakers

http://www.ryda.com.au/Fusion-PP-FR653-6-220W-3-Way-Car-Speakers-p/ppfr653.htm

For the rear speakers

http://www.ryda.com.au/Fusion-PP-FR693-6x9-300W-3-Way-Car-Speakers-p/ppfr693.htm

and for the amp

http://www.ryda.com.au/Clarion-APX4240-4-Channel-Car-Amplifier-p/apx4240.htm

Do i even need an amp with this setup?

Will it be possible to add a sub on later?

Tell me what u reckon?

Keep the ebay links off the forum please. ebay thread for that junk

Sorry i didn't know man

Those speakers from ebay you put on before were much better coz they were splits, and also cheaper!

With that amp, you would have to check if it was bridgeable, if it is, then you can run the front speakers of 2 channels, and bridge the other 2 channels to a sub, and have the back speakers running of the deck.

Ollie

I personally am a new fan of those clarion amps (currently run the APX2180 and APX4360...)

The 4 channel amps can be run in 4, 3, 2 channel configs....very easy to set up like that, include a high pass and low pass filter (for seperate channels atleast front and rear from memory).

Nice bit of gear, and look the part too.

8 Gauge wiring too.....

I think i have decided......

For the front speakers

http://www.ryda.com.au/Fusion-PP-FR653-6-220W-3-Way-Car-Speakers-p/ppfr653.htm

For the rear speakers

http://www.ryda.com.au/Fusion-PP-FR693-6x9-300W-3-Way-Car-Speakers-p/ppfr693.htm

and for the amp

http://www.ryda.com.au/Clarion-APX4240-4-Channel-Car-Amplifier-p/apx4240.htm

Do i even need an amp with this setup?

Will it be possible to add a sub on later?

Tell me what u reckon?


yes you need an amp... and not to be too blunt, but fusion generally = *DONT BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER*

ok so you're willing to go up to $550 for speakers and amp...

Response 6.5" splits - $150 tops (http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=CS2329&CATID=&keywords=response+kevlar&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=)

Response 4x100W Amp - $300 tops (http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=AA0426&CATID=&keywords=response+amplifier&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=)

Response 6x9s - $140 tops (http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=CS2328&CATID=&keywords=response+speakers&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=)

theres $590, but those are RRP, the member 'megatron' on here should be able to do a better deal

with that amp it also allows you to either amp the 6x9s, or leave them unamped and run 380W RMS to a sub... decent power to give a sub if you want to budget that in as well...

and yes, you will need a sub if you want a good stereo, 6x9s cant even compete with a sub

yes you need an amp... and not to be too blunt, but fusion generally = sh*t.

How many fusion sound systems have you heard?

How many fusion products have you used in your car?

How many fusion products have you seen fail (and not my mates brothers cousins dads son either).

How many fusion systems put together properly have you seen/listened to?

I've owned a entry level amp - and it worked really well, and still does, cant fault it, especially when it had next to no ventilation still worked.

Currently own a fusion 12", now in a decently prices sound set up - and for the money, cant fault it.

fusion are **** except for their uber overkill subs(joana lomu?) and then thats not even comparable to say digital design.

you dont have to own or run fusion gear to hear or know they are crap, no need to go all jackie chan on us

Response 6.5" splits - $150 tops (http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=CS2329&CATID=&keywords=response+kevlar&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=)



Those splits look the goods hey :)

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you dont have to own or run fusion gear to hear or know they are crap, no need to go all jackie chan on us

ROFL jackie chan

How many fusion sound systems have you heard?

How many fusion products have you used in your car?

How many fusion products have you seen fail (and not my mates brothers cousins dads son either).

How many fusion systems put together properly have you seen/listened to?

I've owned a entry level amp - and it worked really well, and still does, cant fault it, especially when it had next to no ventilation still worked.

Currently own a fusion 12", now in a decently prices sound set up - and for the money, cant fault it.
I'm going to agree with Spackbace, Fusion are generally ****house. I've heard a few Fusion systems and they were only slightly better than the Sony setup I have in my brother's car. My friend happens to run a Fusion system (half of one, rear speakers, amp and sub, pioneer deck) and again, it's piss poor.

Entry level systems have their merits... There's no denying that, they have their advantages over stock paper cone car audio that's for sure. It's just when you're comparing various entry level speakers/amps/head units, there is a world of difference in the products from different brands, personally if I were looking at entry level systems again, I'd be pursuing a Pioneer based system... Can't really beat the bang for buck there.

*dont bypass the swear filter*

I know fusion are not the best there is - but they arnt from my experience, sh*t.

Bang for your buck they are not bad, especially the entry level stuff. Everyone seems to think every person needs to have focal/boston gear - not everyone wants to spend 5K on a system.

On another note - response gear is pretty good, even rated above a lot of higher priced speakers for quality.
Pull your head in mate ;)

People are recommending to spend a bit more if he wants to have something decent in there that will have a bit of range to the speaker, rather than something that distorts when you turn it up. Focal and Boston are awesome speakers, but he asked for budget so that is what the majority of people have recommended, brands such as Response, Pioneer (entry level) and so on. Even entry level MTX would be worth it if one was to budget a bit more, those 6 inch MTX splits rock!

Lucifer - thats fair enough, im just a little over brand bashing.

As I said - Response are a good speaker for the $, pioneer I cant comment on because I've never used them - though, a friend does use 6" 2 way pioneer speakers up front and they sound rather clear with good mid-bass.

if your only going to spend 350max

Response 6.5" splits and response 6x9's will come in under that $$ amount and be the best value for $$ and sound pretty good unamped and a big improvement

jaycar.com.au

:stoopid:

i demoed my system to a mate at work, and he says it sounds heaps better than his brothers mainy alpine system that cost 3 times as much, no big deal you say....

well my headunit is a DVD dodgy thing from ebay, does the job but has ZERO adjustments for sq... just bass treble and balance/fader and i haven't even set up the amps properly yet...

so bfyb the response are clear winers lol

First of all to the OP, how serious are you about sound ? To you want it do sound kinda like the stock system, or do you want it to sound fantastic ?

Thats your choice, and up to your ears. Like its been said, not everyone is wanting to spend thousands on audio, as it simply dosnt excite them. Then you got me on the otherhand, and its my passion. But each to their own.

Rather than bag you decisions out, or even the gear you picked, im going to actually help you, and suggest a few things. First is that Clarion amp you picked, bloody fantastic. I previously ran the 2 Channel version of it, and compared to a Jaycar amp, the Clarion was infact better. Never got hot, decent build quality for the price, and nice, clean sound. Keep in mind I currently run an amp worth $1500, so I know a thing or two about the basics.

Next are the speakers. My suggestion first is this. Listen to a decently setup SQ car (ie, one that runs no rears) and see weather or not you mind having no rears. I have done this to alot of friends, and they tend to all agree rear speakers arnt very important.

My advice would be, leave the rear speakers stock, and put a fraction more into your fronts. Reason being is your sitting at the front, and you should be able to enjoy the better sound. It wont blow your budget, and, should, sound better.

In terms of what speakers to buy, dont say no to Boston, Focal, Hertz etc because they actually do make cheap, entry level gear aswell. They do have gear for under $200, so maybe its worth a look at.

One last, important peice of advice. If you can, actually try to have a quick listen to the speakers before you buy them. What if the speakers have ear bleeding treble. How annoying would that be to listen to daily ?

I hope that helped a little :)

Cheers mate

So i could get awesome front speakers and run them of the amp. Then stock rear speakers and run them off the head unit. Then i could possibly run a sub off the two remainding channels on the amp.

Cheers mate

So i could get awesome front speakers and run them of the amp. Then stock rear speakers and run them off the head unit. Then i could possibly run a sub off the two remainding channels on the amp.

yep :)

thats why i suggested that jaycar amp, have a look at it, you'd have 380W RMS to run to a sub :) i'm sure you could get a half decent pioneer sub from strathies etc, already in a box, that should handle that power