Here's a pic of the subs. You can see the rest of my car on this site -

http://www.sounddomain.com/memberpage/450797

Yep, there really is 15 speakers in there... and possible room for more...

...and I bet it sounds wonderfully clear too... ;):P

very nice!


though id be a lil paranoid the fact that anyone and everyone can just look into your car and see your gear

Sorry but I don't really rate highly those pre-made perspex/neon ported fart boxes.

[quote:591301a48b]Sorry but I don't really rate highly those pre-made perspex/neon ported fart boxes.[/quote:591301a48b]

What do you mean exactly :?:

Dude, a custom enclosure is on my mind but I have to maintain some sort of practical use for my car. Not only that, but security is a concern too. I need to have a system in which I can remove the subs, amps and boxes in under 2 minutes. Just today, I used my car to haul 2 huge ass airconditioners home. And I mean huge. Those bastard things made my car look lowered... which is something I might actually do soon.

[quote:b7fc07c600]Sorry but I don't really rate highly those pre-made perspex/neon ported fart boxes.[/quote:b7fc07c600]

whats wrong with em ?

I find that a lot of those Boss and misc. brand pre-made boxes with a sub in them sound very hollow and flat because

a) Thin wood is used, in some cases plywood or even chipboard (wtf?!)
b) The ports aren't often tuned properly, and if they are they are made of cheap thin plastic which distorts. The bandpass boxes are horribly mistuned 99% of the time.
c) Use of neon + perspex etc just exacerbates the above problems.
d) The sub itself is usually of average quality

The best pre-made boxes I have seen are the JL, Hertz, and Kicker ones.

Most people just buy them for the looks and because they are on special, but really you're much better off spending the same amount of money on one good sub in a simple custom sized MDF box. Would probably put out more sound than all the subs in your boot combined.

[quote:ab22f723a0]I find that a lot of those Boss and misc. brand pre-made boxes with a sub in them sound very hollow and flat because

a) Thin wood is used, in some cases plywood or even chipboard (wtf?!)
b) The ports aren't often tuned properly, and if they are they are made of cheap thin plastic which distorts. The bandpass boxes are horribly mistuned 99% of the time.
c) Use of neon + perspex etc just exacerbates the above problems.
d) The sub itself is usually of average quality

The best pre-made boxes I have seen are the JL, Hertz, and Kicker ones.

Most people just buy them for the looks and because they are on special, but really you're much better off spending the same amount of money on one good sub in a simple custom sized MDF box. Would probably put out more sound than all the subs in your boot combined.[/quote:ab22f723a0]

Amen to that. Do some simple dimensions and get a cabinet maker/wood worker person thing (the words escape me) to but it. Go home, screw it and liquid nail it.

Easy as pie and cheap as chips :D

Cam.

P.S I made my first box not long ago, it looked crap, it was dodgey (because i didn't plan ahead AT ALL, just started putting it together without any thought) but it worked :D

...and I bet it sounds wonderfully clear too... ;):P

lol :lol: :lol: lol.

Are you having a go at him? :roll:

Maybe its time to move on to a newer car instead of frittering money away on this car.... just a thought :roll:

Dude, a custom enclosure is on my mind but I have to maintain some sort of practical use for my car. Not only that, but security is a concern too. I need to have a system in which I can remove the subs, amps and boxes in under 2 minutes. Just today, I used my car to haul 2 huge ass airconditioners home. And I mean huge. Those bastard things made my car look lowered... which is something I might actually do soon.

Thats fine. You can still make great custom boxes which are still removable! Just that they will be a tad heavier...and some.

Sorry for the late reply but I just got a new computer... anyway a couple of replies...

[quote:333cfa71cd]I find that a lot of those Boss and misc. brand pre-made boxes with a sub in them sound very hollow and flat because

a) Thin wood is used, in some cases plywood or even chipboard (wtf?!)
b) The ports aren't often tuned properly, and if they are they are made of cheap thin plastic which distorts. The bandpass boxes are horribly mistuned 99% of the time.
c) Use of neon + perspex etc just exacerbates the above problems.
d) The sub itself is usually of average quality

The best pre-made boxes I have seen are the JL, Hertz, and Kicker ones.

Most people just buy them for the looks and because they are on special, but really you're much better off spending the same amount of money on one good sub in a simple custom sized MDF box. Would probably put out more sound than all the subs in your boot combined.[/quote:333cfa71cd]

Mate, this is obviously mistaken identity. I think the brand you are thinking about is the WECONIC brand. I too have seen WECONIC and they definately match the description you have made, but definately not the Boss. If, in fact if you want to see their latest models, visit their website.

a) I can give you photo proof that it is not paper thin chipboard. It is MDF just under an inch thick.

b) I do have one box that is ported and tuned properly and when sitting next to the Boss boxes, there is no audible differences. Unless I have a Db reading I can't tell you whether they are exactly the same, but my ears cant tell the difference.

c) The neon is a thin, cylindrical light. How does that impede on sound??? It's light... it doesn't do anything except glow.

As far as the perspex goes, have you heard the difference between a sealed and ported box? These boxes have both. I mean I don't know the scientific explanation but my subs are capable of air ravaging noise combined with low-end sound quality bass.

Furthermore, why is perspex an issue. It's just like MDF but its see through. Basically it's another wall. Whether the front is perspex or MDF, at the end of the day it's just another wall on the sub box.

d) Hey I amit the subs aren't the latest Pioneer 5000 watters, but if I upgraded my subs each time a new one come out, well I wouldn't have enuogh money to... to... well lets just say I wouldn't have enough money.

As far as the amount of money spent on them, I'd still prefer five compared to one.

[quote:76dd18dfbb]As far as the amount of money spent on them, I'd still prefer five compared to one.[/quote:76dd18dfbb]

Is that just for the "wank" factor?
Surely u'd want them to sound good not just to say "oh my car has 5 subs"
Alot of people work backwards i bought 2 12" subs, and am now running only one in a sealed box....sounds heaps better.

well i know a guy with 4 12" JL Audio W6's, and it sounds unbelieveable. Its not just loud, but clean as a whistle. These subs are unbelieveable.
So i don't think it would be just "wank" factor.
I've noticed with people that i know, they don't work backwards. I started w/2 JL 12W0's (125rms ea), now i have 2 Wild Beast 12"s (750rms ea).
Roommate had 2 12" MTX subs, now 2 15" Kicker solobarics (750rms ea).
Mate started w/1 10" Pioneer, now 1 18" Rockford Fosgate.
Another started w/2x10" no-names, now has two 15W0's.

The list goes on. But thats with those that i know.

Cam.

Mate, this is obviously mistaken identity. I think the brand you are thinking about is the WECONIC brand. I too have seen WECONIC and they definately match the description you have made, but definately not the Boss. If, in fact if you want to see their latest models, visit their website.

a) I can give you photo proof that it is not paper thin chipboard. It is MDF just under an inch thick.

b) I do have one box that is ported and tuned properly and when sitting next to the Boss boxes, there is no audible differences. Unless I have a Db reading I can't tell you whether they are exactly the same, but my ears cant tell the difference.

c) The neon is a thin, cylindrical light. How does that impede on sound??? It's light... it doesn't do anything except glow.

As far as the perspex goes, have you heard the difference between a sealed and ported box? These boxes have both. I mean I don't know the scientific explanation but my subs are capable of air ravaging noise combined with low-end sound quality bass.

Furthermore, why is perspex an issue. It's just like MDF but its see through. Basically it's another wall. Whether the front is perspex or MDF, at the end of the day it's just another wall on the sub box.

d) Hey I amit the subs aren't the latest Pioneer 5000 watters, but if I upgraded my subs each time a new one come out, well I wouldn't have enuogh money to... to... well lets just say I wouldn't have enough money.

As far as the amount of money spent on them, I'd still prefer five compared to one.

I am not referring specifically to the BOSS boxes this guy has installed, but cheap pre-made boxes in general.

a) As long as you have a box made of good thick MDF of at least 0.5" thick (depending on power application) then you're OK. Then you start to scrutinise whether the joints are properly sealed and that the box has internal bracing (depending on size).

c) Quite often when the neons are used inside the box (within the airspace of the subs) they do not account for the volume utilised by the presence of the neon. Voila, your tuning is out.

Yes I have built both ported and sealed boxes, slot ported too (what I have now). What I think you're trying to say when "These boxes have both" is that these are bandpass boxes. Sorry but bandpass boxes are only good for one thing and that is winning SPL drags; they sound shit for everyday use.

Again, when you have a cheap box that incorporates perspex, construction method + accuracy is even more important. Perspex itself isn't an issue, it's just how well you seal it.

d) who said anything about having to update to the latest model every time? I don't believe in paying for equipment where most of the price is made up of subsidising sponsorships, marketing campaigns, and high retail markups. In the end you are getting less product. BTW that means I won't ever run Pioneer unless it's the Premier range.

[quote:dd45cc25d6]a) As long as you have a box made of good thick MDF of at least 0.5" thick (depending on power application) then you're OK. Then you start to scrutinise whether the joints are properly sealed and that the box has internal bracing (depending on size).
[/quote:dd45cc25d6]

Don't you worry about that. The boxes are sealed and the bracing also ensures there are no right-angles within the box.

[quote:dd45cc25d6]Yes I have built both ported and sealed boxes, slot ported too (what I have now). What I think you're trying to say when "These boxes have both" is that these are bandpass boxes. Sorry but bandpass boxes are only good for one thing and that is winning SPL drags; they sound shit for everyday use.
[/quote:dd45cc25d6]

Um, yeah, it's obvious with five subs that this is an SPL car... that's basically the idea of five subs... I never said it was for anything different. My SQ system occurs by switching the power off to the amps controlling four of the five subs, leaving only one sub and the rest of the speakers to share the last amp. That's why I called it an SPL/SQ system because it's capable of both. And if you're wondering, that last sub is not in a bandbass box nor does it have neons…

And anyway, with the perspex fronts on I can't get a high SPL. In fact I have to remove the front to have the biggest kick. But that's something I rarely do anyway.

[quote:dd45cc25d6]Perspex itself isn't an issue, it's just how well you seal it.[/quote:dd45cc25d6]

There's a shitload of screws and a rubber/foam surround. How else more can it be sealed?

[quote:dd45cc25d6]c) Quite often when the neons are used inside the box (within the airspace of the subs) they do not account for the volume utilised by the presence of the neon. Voila, your tuning is out.
[/quote:dd45cc25d6]

This is one thing I'm sort of lost on. Are you saying that the physical presence of the neon is effecting the subs and tuning? Well if that's the case I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of go for a bit of show.

[quote:dd45cc25d6]I am not referring specifically to the BOSS boxes this guy has installed, but cheap pre-made boxes in general. [/quote:dd45cc25d6]

Dude, if you really want to know... I actually installed the entire system myself. And this is my first install ever. Actually I'm sort of honoured that you have mistaken this install for a professional one. I came to build this system with no previous know how or experience... and now here I am in the middle of this great debate. A knitpicky debate, but a still a great debate.

Anyway, none of my friends had built their own systems... instead they commissioned "professionals" to install their systems. And you know what?... Me, a first timer, done a hell of a lot better job than those professionals...

- Their systems had horrible hack jobs to the dash and doors.
- Drills were substituted for a screwdriver and hammer to make speaker wire holes.
- Wires are exposed and hanging.
- No organisation of the wires at all - you can’t tell which wire is what and where it goes.
- Broken hinges and clips on interior panels that were forced open.
- One friend has almost lost the use of his doors locking mechanism due to a 6” in the wrong place.
- Gauge wire, instead of being properly attached to the battery terminal, was instead sandwiched between the terminal and the connecting part of the battery.
- And most to nearly all of my friends have blown their systems due to mismatched amps, speakers and subs.

Now I know a lot of these professional screw-ups are nothing about pre-made boxes or subs, but the point is that this is my first go on any sort of system and quite frankly it’s a lot better than paying a few hundred dollars to have somebody else come in and butcher my car. And anyway, people spend a lot on professionals to have a 4 or 5 speaker system installed. I had 15 installed and the labour cost me nothing.

And lets not forget the black market. SOUND 4 and Kenwood sold off as Pioneers. WECONIC and FAKE BASS BOXES!!!

This is where I think your initial argument was based on. Mistaken identity. There is a black market out there. In fact, I bet, if I can get a hold of a WECONIC speaker and box, I could pass it off as an Alpine Types S or R. It’s that easy and anybody can be fooled… not me.

Anyway, dude if you’re that concerned, rest assured, new boxes and speakers are on the horizon but we’ve all got to start somewhere. Pre-made was a better option to get started on for a beginner. Therefore leaving more focus on the electrical side of things, rather than focusing on carpentry skills.

Believe me, those pre-mades are effective . They have set off their fair share of car alarms in the past.

Now with that said, when I do scrounge up enough money to replace my subs. How would you feel about helping me design the right box and selecting the correct speaker?

no problems Hurl_m

i give you a hand when u r ready

JL subs all the way
audison AMPS
and focal Splits
your pick on HU (pioneer or pioneer ehheeh)