Ok guys..

A while ago as a few know magna buff, stagma, my dad and myself completed an efi conversion
on my old 92 GLX magna wagon.. Well after wanting a verada for such a long time and not
wanting a auto , i thought about doing a manual conversion very hard.

Well my dad bought a 93 KS verada wagon... (yes it is a ks, must have been an early one)
He had to go over seas and he gave it to me for my birthday. (YEAH!!! first thing in my life i
got for FREE!!), anyway after trying to source a donor car to complete the conversion i came across doug's car.. (ts v6 manual magna)

Long story short with shipping it from Adeilade. took me 5 or more weeks to even get the donor car. ( always take teh donor car for a test drive just to check for sounds in the engine and to see how it runs.)

Ray and i started working on taking the whole engine and gearbox out of the verada. Which was pretty straight forward with the help of the ol engine crane. (have to take off the bonet)
When the ks engine was put on the ground we then continued to take the manual engine out and transfer it straight in the verada. Hardest part of this was that we were working outside on my brothers driveway which is on a incline, so the engine needed quite a bit of persuasion to sit in the bay comfortably. Then we removed all of the running gear from the ts and transfered it to Ks. The main issue i had was the master clutch cylinder as i didnt have a drill. so i borrowed my other brothers to drill out the hole. I obviously had to take out the dash to get to the master slave area. Man its fun to take out the brake pedal, i enjoyed getting 100 mini scratches on my hands.lol

After i changed my heater box (mine didnt work as it had leaked with the previous owner.), replaced the auto shifter with the manual one, connected everything back together and put the clutch pedal in i started putting the dash back in..

We Sorted out the auto loom by connecting the neutral and park wires together so the auto ecu thinks its in park..(so the car will start) and also had to sort out the wiring with the alternator as the new engine had a different loom connector.

After all the hard work we cranked it over and just would'nt start... no spark.. checked the coil and replaced it with 2 other working coils and still nothing...Long story short , after not having the car start and not know alot about electrics i towed it to my mechanic. apparently i had seized cam shafts. replaced them with reco ones and she started beautifully...

So after alot of hard work i now have a running Ks V6 Manual Wagon.. Boy it has some grunt over the 4 banger.. she just wants to go....If anyone has any questions feel free to ask..

Cost for car $600
Cost for transport $1100 (long Story)
Cost for Miscellaneous . $ 1000
Total $2700

So for a free car it cost me $2700 for a manual, but i plan to keep this car for a long time...
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Mate that is awesome! Well done - I really rate the skills you've shown in getting this project over the line. You're going to love driving it. I love driving mine.

We're getting a good collection of manual wagons in QLD now. Should have a run or something.

My brother helping with the engine lifting.. and other pics

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Manual shifter....
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Check out the tcu.. heater box would of leaked to the max
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Wicked... i really want to convert mine, but with 56k on the auto i'll wait till somthin goes wrong and do it then.

Hole you have to drill for the clutch master cylinder..
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Connecting the park and neutral wires

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Replacing the heater box.
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killa, hey is my old exhaust still on that car??

killa, hey is my old exhaust still on that car??
If it was a huge cannon, then yeh it was....
me in my shi et y cloths.. cutting my hands up on the pedals
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Clutch master cyl
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in all not a difficult conversion at all

most just bolts in including the gear shift changer

and no huge wiring problems

dean has a picture where the whole front yard has 3 magna wagons and the donor

like to see that one posted

changing the mechanicals took two soild days

the dash two days because of the pedals clutch master and cables and heater replacement

It's great to see all these pics of the process. Got any more?

good staff mate glad to see it worked out well :D

Wait....
You took out the dash just to fix the heater problem or for the conversion:|

You gonna re register the car as a v6 man or leave it how it is ?

It's interesting how many parts of the interior show surface rust. The gear lever and steering wheel components for example.

Well done for a young guy! Once you have driven a manual v6 you really notice how much power the auto snaps from the motor, but you do loose a bit of refinement.

Well done for a young guy! Once you have driven a manual v6 you really notice how much power the auto snaps from the motor, but you do loose a bit of refinement.
Yeh i realized how much more power the manual has...But for the gain in fuel economy and power makes up for the slight refinement of the auto.

I took the heater box out becos mine was stuffed..You dont need to to do the conversion...

TR 300000
ahh I see what you mean

ask the donor cars owner its a secret "right Mitsi_Boi " lol

the donor car was an auto converted to a manual ...before dean recieved it

thats why it was such an easy conversion :gtfo:

he has plenty of pictures

dean needs stickys for the TR EFI conversion and this auto to manual
(thats up to the mods)


deans research found
there is no rule about mods refering to gearboxes - only motors

his car was already registered as a V6 so the fees and insurance stays the same

Dash was taken out for conversion to drill the holes for the clutch master
fixing the heater was a bonus


It wasn't my old car. The person i sold my car to had this car, and in the swapping stuff around process my old exhaust went onto this car, get a picture of the middle section of piping gives a whole new meaning to the word straight thru muffler

Haha, yep there was no resonators at all.. i looked and then just laughed...

Sounded nice though....
The angle we worked on
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Theres my bike
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This is with the brake swapped over...No clutch pedal Yet
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Nice work man, I really wonna do mine one day. I'll need to before I ***** it anyway.

So he sold you a car with seized camshafts

Mitsi_Boi
now you let out the secret

that magna came back into the forum thats the good thing
now its scrap :badgrin:

thats a good auto for sale in the background

dean stop showing off your bike !

No the car was running fine...I dont know how it happened... it's got me. The whole point of
doing it ourselves to just swap it over.. but i lucked out, oh well fixed now

outstanding work
nice and big progress photos too :)

so this is what you've been working on mb!

If the rocker cover bolts are over tighten the camshafts can seize .

Solid!

great to see that you were able to do it all. happy to see the stuff from that car gettin used. yeah, that exhaust was fair nuts. tho, the one i have now is not much better :D

top effort!

wanna send me that exhaust back down to Adelaide Deanimus:D

Put it on Mums car LOL, Doug kno's wat i mean

hehe, i sure do.

so are you just going to get rid of the rest of the car now?

Yeh the car has gone to the crusher.....

Deanimus, do you mind if i PM you with some questions?

I have a TR EXECUTIVE, 2.6L 4cyl and 5sp manual.
I have come across a TR ELITE with a blown engine (same engine as mine, auto though)

I should be able to buy the elite as-is for less than $500, looking closer to $300 now :D

I'm planning to swap my engine, gearbox, exhaust, etc. into the elite and i'm doing my research now before i buy the elite.


From what i gather so far, i need to use the manual CV's, drill holes for master clutch cylinder, change pedals. i also read that i should use the manual ECU.

What to you (and everyone else) think?
1) worth doing this?
i'll be doing all the work with some help from my dad, using the mechanic shop he works at.
i think i'm prepared to pay $500ish to have an elite with 5sp manual, electric windows and stuff will be nice.

2) is there any real advice, warnings, etc. you can give me? was there anything you had trouble with when you did this conversion?

3) does anyone want to buy some parts from a TR exec when i'm finished?
i'll probably put a bunch of leftover/spare parts on ebay or something, anything that i don't want to keep for myself lol i may as well try to get a few $ for some parts as well as offering some cheap spare parts for people and minimising what goes into landfill when i'm done.



p.s. either post here or PM me if you have anything to say to me.
thanks.

what has to be done to keep cruz working

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105342


april 2015
dont know how to fix the cruz ?

the cruz system wont ignore the automatic is missing


write up with pics Found
10 pages plus with pictures and write up on how to do keep the cruz working

author is ranga Feb 18, 2013 from modified mutsubishi .com .au

ranga last visited records suggest no longer active there

look for Do It Yourself Guides (Howto) title to search is TR/TS Auto to manual wiring

a bit involved
there are wires to solder on the old neutral safety switch
wires to join elsewhere
and something to do with the relays wires


one of rangas pic

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh59/magnabuff/magna/wiring2.jpg (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/magnabuff/media/magna/wiring2.jpg.html)

wtp omen
last seen 16-11-2009 and didnt do the conversion

pm sent with all the questions answered pm me if you need more help
Couldn't you post it up in here for future reference for anyone attempting said swap?

well worth the effort to go ahead

dont know your state rules it may need a mechanical cert or just change of engine number

in QLD we didnt need to do anything as car was already registered

to keep the cruz working link ....http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105342

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh59/magnabuff/magna/wiring2.jpg (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/magnabuff/media/magna/wiring2.jpg.html)

the shift cables already have a hole to fit through the fire wall
the gear shift uses the same bolt holes

just the clutch pedal is added

the TCU stays in place and is left you use the automatics ecu

screw the auto isolator switch somewhere and leave it selected in park

the reverse lights wires (there are two ) are cut from the
auto gearbox isolator unit and joined to the manual gearbox reverse sender wires

brakes stay the same - just the cv joints and intrim shaft swap

everything else bolt togeather

dean knows what he did to drill the holes spot on

you might want to do your timing belts and seals

What to you (and everyone else) think?
1) worth doing this?
i'll be doing all the work with some help from my dad, using the mechanic shop he works at.
i think i'm prepared to pay $500ish to have an elite with 5sp manual, electric windows and stuff will be nice.

2) is there any real advice, warnings, etc. you can give me? was there anything you had trouble with when you did this conversion?


This conversion is worth every cent.. 100% in my opinion.

Make sure you plan it out.. and write down what needs to be done and what time frame to
do it in.

Selling parts helps with costs...

Good luck

just discovered this recently

there is a difference in the metal inlet water pipe coming from the water pump to the bottom radiator hose

the automatic is a full solid pipe with outlet attached
the manual is in two pieces
on the manual box there is a bolt holding the second piece going to the lower radiator hose

if you were to do a manual conversion you may have to buy the manuals pipes

another difference is the crank holes drilled to suit an automatic drive plate
they may be different to the flywheel

You do need the water pipes from a manual as the automatic one fouls the linkages on the gearbox otherwise one of them has to be cut down,I tried to use a automatic type on my manual but no go, as for the end of the crank the fly wheel bolts on as both are the same.
My son's TS is manual but has a motor from a auto on which I cut the gear linkage down and drilled a new hole so the the gear change cable can be put back on.

Does the dash NEED to be taken out to run the clutch master cyl?

No but makes it a damn side easier and also neater to take it out

Comon Tuff, I am sure you can get the dash out in under an hour and it will give you more bits to paint then!

No but makes it a damn side easier and also neater to take it out

Comon Tuff, I am sure you can get the dash out in under an hour and it will give you more bits to paint then!

Oh hardy har har :P
Well If its gotta come out then i guess I'm off to pick-a-part tomorrow to pick one up thats in better condition then mine.

']Oh hardy har har :P
Well If its gotta come out then i guess I'm off to pick-a-part tomorrow to pick one up thats in better condition then mine.

Might as well grab the climate set up while your there... there was a complete one at Picky in Kilsyth, a while ago am heading there and centre rd. today can have a search around for ya

Might as well grab the climate set up while your there... there was a complete one at Picky in Kilsyth, a while ago am heading there and centre rd. today can have a search around for ya
Only climate thats going to be in my car now is 22 degrees or above :P

Hey mate, Do you have a picture (or can you get one ASAP) of the clutch cables going to the gearbox?
I dunno, Mine seems weird, its like they are too long in the engine bay and they are sort of "pushed up", It changes gear and everything but i would of thought the cables would of layed more flat..

And also, automotic starter motor fitted FINE

You have connected the gear shift cables wrong on the linkages just swap the cables over.
The starter motor will fit from a auto ( v6's only, 4cyl O.K.) but it won't work it needs to be from a manual as it won't make complete contact with the ring gear on the flywheel.

You have connected the gear shift cables wrong on the linkages just swap the cables over.
The starter motor will fit from a auto ( v6's only, 4cyl O.K.) but it won't work it needs to be from a manual as it won't make complete contact with the ring gear on the flywheel.

Yeah...Nah thing is i dont know which way the bracket goes that holds the cables :P
Ahh.....guess I'm up for a starter motor aswell then..bummer...

Cause yeah if the bracket is on one way, the cables seem as if they are being pushed in there, and i turn the bracket the other way, its too short (im sure)
Thats why i just need some pics to reaffirm

Are you talking about the bracket that bolts on to the gearbox which holds the cables in place with a clip?If so it only bolts on 1 way.As for the cables the short one goes on the top half of the bracket and the long one on the bottom.You soon know if the cables are wrong as the gear lever is hard to move.

Are you talking about the bracket that bolts on to the gearbox which holds the cables in place with a clip?If so it only bolts on 1 way.As for the cables the short one goes on the top half of the bracket and the long one on the bottom.You soon know if the cables are wrong as the gear lever is hard to move.

Sweet thanks for that mate. nah cables feel fine to move around just looks a bit weird thats all.
The umm bracket I'm talking about is this one;

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/Image0341.jpg
I've got a picture of it somewhere but basically it almost hits the bottom water pipe it curves up so much :O

That's because automatic water pipe is one piece while the manual is in 2 parts so it clears the linkage and once the radiator hose is on there's no clearance. There's a very short pipe that slides into the main 1 with a O ring and bolts on to the end of the front head.I had this problem on my son's TS .All I did is cut down the linkage and re drilled it and used a bolt to hold the cable on.
Those manual water pipes are abit hard to get hold off.

That's because automatic water pipe is one piece while the manual is in 2 parts so it clears the linkage.There's a very short one on the end and bolts on to the end of the front head.I had this problem on my son's TS .All I did is cut down the linkage and re drilled it and used a bolt to hold the cable on.
Those manual water pipes are abit hard to get hold off.

Nah i should be right mate.
All the hoses go on etc.
Well in theory I could get a water pipe thingy off a pajero for a manual but its RWD not FWD so it wouldnt be right.

I'll get some pictures tomorrow mate and you can have a geez yourself, it should be fine just yeah looks a tad weird

ill post a pic up tomorrow

No need, Confirmed it today at the wreckers where there was a 5sp box still there.

And more related to this thread;
Guess who's TR is now a functioning 5sp manual

OH **** YEAH!!!!!
Got the master cyl and clutch/brake pedals in today....
Tomorrow I'm going to re-do all my dodgey wiring behind the dash which is now gone and yeah she'll be mint by tomorrow

Also, for anyone who's taken off/out the glove box and drivers kick panel, to actually get the dash out is like 10 more bolts.
It was so easy I Couldn't believe it

Oh, anddddddd guess who's now an apprentice auto elec for mercedes benz commercials :D

So you got the manual water pipe and everything worked out.:)

So you got the manual water pipe and everything worked out.:)
Nope....IT should be right, Its right up near one of the heater hoses but its not fouling on anything at all.

Deanimus - how did you get both bolts into the top of the clutch pedal? Its in the WORST position ever and ive only managed to get 1 bolt in

with a long extension and a ratchet,.. if u look at the photo of me. i wasnt very happy at that moment , cuts on my hands everywhere but persistence pays off.. make sure you get both in!

with a long extension and a ratchet,.. if u look at the photo of me. i wasnt very happy at that moment , cuts on my hands everywhere but persistence pays off.. make sure you get both in!

ffs!
This will take me a while...
Also did you use a 1/2 or a 3/8th to get it in?
Finding that the 1/2 set is a bit thick for most places

']ffs!
This will take me a while...
Also did you use a 1/2 or a 3/8th to get it in?
Finding that the 1/2 set is a bit thick for most places
yeh i use the 3/8 kit as i dont own a 1/2 kit, i use a mate's set when i need it..

I use 1/4 mainly with 3/8 for some. Rarely use 1/2 drive at all.

Use a good extension with the "wobbly" end, short 3/8 socket and you should be ok.

I have never had any issue getting them on and off, but then again my last manual conversion I had the dash out when I cut the hole in the fire wall and fitted the pedals (padals fo those in the know)

(Just watch those toll bars!)

I use 1/4 mainly with 3/8 for some. Rarely use 1/2 drive at all.

Use a good extension with the "wobbly" end, short 3/8 socket and you should be ok.

I have never had any issue getting them on and off, but then again my last manual conversion I had the dash out when I cut the hole in the fire wall and fitted the pedals (padals fo those in the know)

(Just watch those toll bars!)

Yeah and make sure you get para-pubic headlights!:bowrofl:

When i was putting the pedals in the dash was out and i couldnt get that 2nd bolt in. guess its gonna be fun now with the dash back in YAY

i did a similar conversion with a 4cyl mitsubishi magna elite, 4g54. Did anyone else have problems with the auto selector wiring? I have managed to work out a lot about it, and by wiring it i could keep cruise control, and also get the "D" drive light on the dash, as well as the "R" light when i go into reverse. It has a manual gearbox.

The trick to getting cruise control, while still being able to start the car is wiring in a switch from the dash to the 2 park wires in the engine bay. The wires must be thick, otherwise the car will probably not start. Once you flick the switch after starting the car, cruise control will work. You do need to flick it each time you drive, though. When the switch is on, the car starts. cruise works only when the switch is off.

Having a switch is the best option, since trying to wire those park wires to the ignition barrel doesnt seem to work.

Wayy off topic, but see in the 2nd pic of the original post, there are two hoses going into the firewall? They are together, about in the middle. I have split one of these, is it a huge job to replace? And where do they go behind there

Wayy off topic, but see in the 2nd pic of the original post, there are two hoses going into the firewall? They are together, about in the middle. I have split one of these, is it a huge job to replace? And where do they go behind there
easy job to replace / there heater hoses

They are your heater hoses and they are copper pipes that go thru the firewall into the heater core. Pretty easy to replace and you can sometimes get the hoses listed on ebay. I f not you can get some heater hose the same diameter at Supa cheap or autobarn and cut it to size.
You can also go here and look up the correct hose number to help search or pre order at any of the above. vee
http://www.mackayrubber.com.au/catalogues/

cheers mate!

We have to use this old thread and post as a road map

the important thing if anyone has done one recently please make it know and what you did
then all should be able to update this topic

current history
Deanimus first rada conversion written off 2014 ...rear ended by a truck

white rada in avatar

he got 7 great years ..and has the wreck

deano luckily found another rada after a long search ...was sourced from NSW late 2014

with Deano, his mates and family to help ... he is sure to succceed:lurk:

I cant do this mechanical stuff anymore

buffy

On the seemingly very popular subject of manual KS wagons (I've been looking since my white auto KS wagon was caned in Brisbane's November hailstorm, and son #1 needs a manual to learn to drive in)
There's a manual touring wagon on Gumtree for $1000 at present at Penrith.
Maroon with a mix of wheels, but has the badge, headlight washers and interestingly only one reversing light(Japanese spec?)
KSD

KS95dave reported the white wagon I pass is only an exec

rada sedan second gens are ok--- but pricey I thought

wagons are rarer


if you want to poke your head in on our conversion you are welcome
on the goldy
its down for late march april - saturdays --or maybe a week day depends on work commitments

On the seemingly very popular subject of manual KS wagons (I've been looking since my white auto KS wagon was caned in Brisbane's November hailstorm, and son #1 needs a manual to learn to drive in)
There's a manual touring wagon on Gumtree for $1000 at present at Penrith.
Maroon with a mix of wheels, but has the badge, headlight washers and interestingly only one reversing light(Japanese spec?)
KSD

Same one is now advertised for $800 at Cronulla. Wildly different stories in the two adverts but same rego number.

And why am I looking? Well, 1st gen wagons are disappearing, so now looking at 2nd gens. I'd actually prefer a 4 cylinder because of parts commonality with my TP. I'm not ready yet, just exploring my options.