Hi All,

I am new to your group, although Mod's are not normally my thing I joined up because I have owned a couple of Magna's (TE & now TF Sports) and have put many km on both. Next year I am considering a TW VR-X or Sube Liberty. When I make the jump in 2008 I will still have my TF Sports which I am considering to retain for some Motorsports Action. A project I have considered is a V8 conversion like the one in the V8 Giants catergory, any contacts or thoughts would be appreciated.

Magna's are very underrated cars so it's good to see an interest group.

Regards,

Rob..

Mate, i can only assume you are wanting it to be RWD also? Because i do not know of any V8 Suitable for a FWD.

To add to this, it is possible to convert it to a RWD but the Chasis is designed to be driven from the front wheels, you may as well take a chasis from a late model commadore and stick the magna shell on top.

But then it will drive like a commy.

Mate, i can only assume you are wanting it to be RWD also? Because i do not know of any V8 Suitable for a FWD.

To add to this, it is possible to convert it to a RWD but the Chasis is designed to be driven from the front wheels, you may as well take a chasis from a late model commadore and stick the magna shell on top.

But then it will drive like a commy.


thats where you are wrong.. there is a Mitsu made V8 that will bolt straight up to the 3rd Gens!

only problem is sourcing one.

We'll so far I have seen around 3 conversions that all use Chev/holden running gear and yes I think RWD is the way to go but I'd like to use Chrysler/Dodge/Jepp engine + driveline. I realise this is a significant project both from a $ and technical perspective but do-able. Some contacts would be helpful. Getting the hardware is no problem it's just making it all work.

the magna has a terrible chassis, why not just save your time and get something that is already proven in the class you wanna run in and try improve on that

thats where you are wrong.. there is a Mitsu made V8 that will bolt straight up to the 3rd Gens!

only problem is sourcing one.


yer the 8a80 or whatever its called, but is it based on a east west design?

yer the 8a80 or whatever its called, but is it based on a east west design?

thats the one.. somethin like that. and yes east west, will bolt straight up to the manual gearbox and everything.

Good to be different and original and go where others have not. A 380 is also a consideration, both have plenty of engine bay room. Chassis may be a concern agreed but this is why I am here. On the track I will begin with the standard 3.0 V6 next year. This may be just a street project.....

interesting idea, but i think a v8 thru the front wheels would be a pig.
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My choice would be the quad cam ford 289 if I had to do it.

Ok, here we go on the Mitsu units

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_8A8_engine

You think this will match to the current driveline?

Welcome Rob,

Anything is possible if you have the $$$, knowhow and the patience. I would recommend having a good browse around the forums to see what others have done to their rides, the triumphs, trials and tribulations.

At the end of the day not much is straight forward when it comes to serious modding, and don't forget to check what insurance might sting you for.

Enjoy your stay.

Hasnt this topic been covered like a GAZILLION times?
It IS possible to do anything to ANY car Providing you have the right amount of dosh..and patience...the 8a80 or watever engine was used in overseas mitsus and hyundais and i dnt think ever made it to aus shores and even if they did itll be like trying to find nipples on a sheep dog to get one
to make it RWD is def a possiblilty. the Awd platform would probably be the best base to look at but its the chassis that you have to think about reinforcing and than theres the problem of sourcing a diff that will fit and suport the power and that would usually require cutting and fabricating and so forth. IMHO the FWD V8 option is far more realistic and easier if your seriously considering it.
If you thnk your capable of pulling this off than ill be glad to see how it turns out as youd be the first NON-SPONSERED, NON-TRACK PREPed magna owner to do it.
but on a final note SEARCH button is your friend :D
cheers
FRESH

OH!!! and WElcome to the WOrld OF BITsAMISSIN ;)

welcome!

sounds like a big plan you have in mind - hopefully its not too big that it doesnt happen, it will be interesting to see the finished product.

might be better (in theory at least) to start with an AWD car and gut that out for your needs.
at least then, you could get the motor facing the right way (north/south) for a V8 and send drive straight south to the back.
only issue with that could be block/head/inlet nanifold to bonnet clearance when shut, and the aux drive gear swinging off the front might hit the radiator - depending what you use as your V8 donor block/motor.
then there is the issue of getting the tranny bolted into the drive tunnel - is there something there that could be used as a mounting point (i havnt looked under my awd as yet, so i have little idea what space is like back there)

if your going V8, then it definatly has to be RWD IMO :)

good lucks with it - and when you start, be sure to start a thread to keep us all updated with lotsa pics :)

Ok, here we go on the Mitsu units

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_8A8_engine

You think this will match to the current driveline?

IMO i would use a v8 that is more common. When something goes wrong with the 8A8 its going to be a pain getting replacement parts for it but it would be cool because it would be all mitsu :cool:

the magna has a terrible chassis, why not just save your time and get something that is already proven in the class you wanna run in and try improve on that

Why do you say that? There are no less than 4 magnas in IPRA SA, doing relatively well. A magna will never be as a good a platform for performance as something like a GTR/EVO/etc, but they are from a lost cause.

I am extremely intrigued by the novelty of having a V8 in a magna. I wonder how much that motor weighs, possibly not that much more than the 6G74, with an alloy block.

Someone really needs to properly look into this and see if it's viable or not.

Why do you say that? There are no less than 4 magnas in IPRA SA, doing relatively well. A magna will never be as a good a platform for performance as something like a GTR/EVO/etc, but they are from a lost cause.

I am extremely intrigued by the novelty of having a V8 in a magna. I wonder how much that motor weighs, possibly not that much more than the 6G74, with an alloy block.

Someone really needs to properly look into this and see if it's viable or not.
the v8 mentioned weighs 20kg more than a 6g74 but makes only 206kw and low 400's in nm

a sprintex bolt on would be no different bar the sound.

why the magna is terrible.... too heavy boring to drive and sevear chassis flex... an old type r integra would fit the bill better.

Why do you say that? There are no less than 4 magnas in IPRA SA, doing relatively well. A magna will never be as a good a platform for performance as something like a GTR/EVO/etc, but they are from a lost cause.

I am extremely intrigued by the novelty of having a V8 in a magna. I wonder how much that motor weighs, possibly not that much more than the 6G74, with an alloy block.

Someone really needs to properly look into this and see if it's viable or not.

u and me both!
I've asked lots of places about them, some say they have heard of them, some say wtf there isn't a v8 that will fit in ur silly magna.

at the end of the day, i wanted to find the engine and then see what i could do with it.
However I spoke to someone here from Jap imports that did alot of work overseas on a v8 hyundai and he said that the engine will basically be a bolt on obviously there would be extra's needed and stuff but its alot easier than fitting a different gen v8.

however if anyone reading this finds one. please tell me! I shotgun!

Would it bolt up to an AWD 3rd gen ? how sweet would that be :D

8.2L (500ci) :noway: V8's from a 70's caddilac eldorado is FWD

There was a v8 magna racing in class against v8 ford and holdens today on fox sport. The owner/builders name was English. This has prolly been brought up before but thought id mention it here. Couldnt tell if it was fwd or rwd, but it was overtaking a monaro when i seen it lol

That v8 also uses GDI, doesn't GDI need special fuel to run? If it ran on Aussie fuel that would be hella sweet, fuel economy would be unreal.

Hi All,

I am new to your group, although Mod's are not normally my thing I joined up because I have owned a couple of Magna's (TE & now TF Sports) and have put many km on both. Next year I am considering a TW VR-X or Sube Liberty. When I make the jump in 2008 I will still have my TF Sports which I am considering to retain for some Motorsports Action. A project I have considered is a V8 conversion like the one in the V8 Giants catergory, any contacts or thoughts would be appreciated.

Magna's are very underrated cars so it's good to see an interest group.

Regards,

Rob..

Funny you mention that....... I recently learnt that one of the mechanics who built my TT setup, built the engine and has done most of the tuning work on one of the few V8 RWD magnas in the country. From what he said, I'm pretty sure this is the car:

http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i304/30451_14lo.jpg

I'm trying to get down to the workshop one day this week, so I'll confirm that what I've said above is true, if so - I'm sure he'd be happy to have a chat with you if you are serious about such a project.

Welcome Aurora01

You sound pretty intelligent and serious about doing such a conversion.
I know if I went back in time I would of looked into a custom V8 install to my verada, instead I blew all the money on a silly Supercharger. lol
But with any crazy engine conversion, you will run into many a problems lol

Good luck with your ventures mate!! :D

but you did do a V8 conversion!

and chucked in a manual while you were at it too

:P


imho you conversion turned out way better than any V8 conversion that could be done to your verada.... and there wasnt any headaches either lol

another option to look into with the 4.7 Litre PowerTech in the mitsubishi raider unsure wether itll fit but could become a fallback if u cant find the 8a80


as used in http://www.edmunds.com/mitsubishi/raider/review.html
http://www.mitsubishiforum.com/models/raider/

Seriously he's best to stick with running gear that is readily available, since it's a race car things will break, so replacement parts have to be reasonably priced and easily replaceable.

It's a race car, who cares what motor is powering it as long as it's competative and fun.

Rob, I'm pretty sure most of the RWD V8 Magna race cars used chassis that where modified and supplied by MMAL, from memory they used slightly widened centre tunnels as the only real modification. The rest was custom made to suit the new running gear.

Hopefully Black Beard can help you with a contact. Good Luck.

There was a v8 magna racing in class against v8 ford and holdens today on fox sport. The owner/builders name was English. This has prolly been brought up before but thought id mention it here. Couldnt tell if it was fwd or rwd, but it was overtaking a monaro when i seen it lol

i think it had ford running running gear and magna tj shelln
http://www.mumboracing.com/magna.jpg

i think it had ford running running gear and magna tj shelln
http://www.mumboracing.com/magna.jpg

yeah thats it. Prolly is running ford gear, it still looked the gun competing against the other v8s.

Jeep/Chrysler 4.7 V8 engines are reasonably well available both here and in the US and respond well to power upgrades, a 5spd Auto is also included. Engine is not to big so hopefully should fit. I'm interested in looking at Magna & 380 conversions with RWD. A T5 Manual may also work (need to check if it can be mated to the engine). I think a road prototype is the go before racing.

Sorry, here is the spec's:

Engine orientation Longitudinal
Engine description Eight cylinders, V formation, SOHC, two valves per cylinder, cast iron block, alloy heads
Configuration V-formation
Cylinders 8
Valve train SOHC
Valves per cylinder 2
Block material Cast-iron
Head material Aluminium alloy
Capacity (cm3) 4701
Bore (mm) 93.0
Stroke (mm) 86.5
Compression ratio 9.7:1
Maximum power 190kW @ 5200rpm
Maximum torque 419Nm @ 4000rpm
Induction system Electronic sequential port fuel injection.

yer the 8a80 or whatever its called, but is it based on a east west design?

It's the 4.5 litre. They are fitted with diamantes in japan only, the diamantes with them were very heavy cars the V8 has never been fitted into a performance car, they were only made to carry heavy luxury cars.

I'd like to have any contacts for anyone who has done any sort of Manga V8 conversion.

Thanks.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2003-04-Jeep-Grand-Cherokee-4-7L-V8-Engine-Motor-VIN-N_W0QQitemZ140144559771QQihZ004QQcategoryZ33615QQr dZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638.m 118


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Reman-99-04-Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep-4-7-Long-Block-Engine_W0QQitemZ290191348625QQihZ019QQcategoryZ336 15QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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I need to check with various wreckers over here also, obviously would be cheaper.

Regarding the engine to be used, have you considered a 1UZ-FE as well. They are pretty cheap now that quite a few are being removed from Soarers / LS400s.

With a supercharger the power figures should be half decent as well, and there's a few examples of people that have lost the plot altogether and added twin turbos and dropped them into Supras

Fit into the Magna engine bay could be quite an issue though..

if your going Nth Sth engine config

FORGET any mitsu V8

lexus 4.0L is ok

but bang for buck LS1 cant be beaten, you can even buy an old chev junker and tidy it up for the same $$$ unless your really handy with a spanner, and then the ls1 is much lighter any way

going all out? $$$ no question?

rx7 with mid mounted engine seems to be a good one


whats the racing class where they are prettymuch allowed to run anything? turbo s/c V8 whatever... i forget now, but them guys are 2 sec faster than the V8 supercars at some tracks.... look there for info!

a 1UZ-FE should fit quite easily into a magna engine bay in the east west configuration, after all it isnt any longer than the 4 cylinder they use in the early 3rd gens. Someone has also easily fit this same engine into an AE86 drift car, and it fit easily as the engine is rather short.

but bang for buck LS1 cant be beaten,

I agree, they are fairly light for their size (all alloy) and there is lots of parts for them for reasonable cash. Or if you could stretch the budget an LS2 would be even better.

With the LS2 a full exhaust system, intake and tune will net between 270-290rwkW!!(I'm just waiting for factory warranty to run out :P)

whats the racing class where they are prettymuch allowed to run anything? turbo s/c V8 whatever... i forget now, but them guys are 2 sec faster than the V8 supercars at some tracks.... look there for info!

you talking about super sports?

I think that's the classification which ends up catching all cars that don't meet regs in the other classes.

very fast cars!

cheers,
.wook

a 1UZ-FE should fit quite easily into a magna engine bay in the east west configuration, after all it isnt any longer than the 4 cylinder they use in the early 3rd gens. Someone has also easily fit this same engine into an AE86 drift car, and it fit easily as the engine is rather short.

I have seen a twin turbo one in a camira in nth sth config.

whats the racing class where they are prettymuch allowed to run anything? turbo s/c V8 whatever... i forget now, but them guys are 2 sec faster than the V8 supercars at some tracks.... look there for info!

Sports Sedans :)

I agree, they are fairly light for their size.

Ive heard that they are actually lighter than an RB26DETT

would love to see a V8 magna post it up

Sports Sedans :)

yep that it!!

if you can do this to a SAAB... a magna would be a piece of cake!
saabs are FF for those who dont know

http://www.sportssedans.com.au/images/gallery/6.jpg
http://www.sportssedans.com.au/images/gallery/29.jpg

Search the V8 Magna Test Supecar!
That was running a HEMI 5.7L rear wheel drive.
It was lacking downforce due to the fact there are no racing bodykits for the magna's and thats why it didnt pass but other than that,try a chrysler engine from a 300c and you might have yourself a good project but will need to be engineered due to the fact of engine displacement.

Search the V8 Magna Test Supecar!
That was running a HEMI 5.7L rear wheel drive.
It was lacking downforce due to the fact there are no racing bodykits for the magna's and thats why it didnt pass but other than that,try a chrysler engine from a 300c and you might have yourself a good project but will need to be engineered due to the fact of engine displacement.

Threadmine!

This dude may still be looking for info though.

But just a hint dude, if you look at a page - and the last post is over 6+ months old, the thread is probably dead. :)

But like i said, this dude could still be looking for info :)

Threadmine!

This dude may still be looking for info though.

But just a hint dude, if you look at a page - and the last post is over 6+ months old, the thread is probably dead. :)

But like i said, this dude could still be looking for info :)
better than to be flamed coz u opened another thread relating closely to one that is already present..

btw jesse, ur 12 posts in and this is the 1st post i seen from u! good to finally see u roaming around the forums with a username :)

better than to be flamed coz u opened another thread relating closely to one that is already present..

btw jesse, ur 12 posts in and this is the 1st post i seen from u! good to finally see u roaming around the forums with a username :)

I said it in a nice way to a new user.

Also, why would he open a new thread? He doesnt want to do a conversion - merely just added information to as far as i can see, a dead thread. I'm not entirely sure you could slot this thread into present, as the last post in this thread was basically a year ago.

but eh, next time ill wait for someone to comment who will be alot harsher, instead of putting it in a nice way :)

I said it in a nice way to a new user.

Also, why would he open a new thread? He doesnt want to do a conversion - merely just added information to as far as i can see, a dead thread. I'm not entirely sure you could slot this thread into present, as the last post in this thread was basically a year ago.

but eh, next time ill wait for someone to comment who will be alot harsher, instead of putting it in a nice way :)
lol nah, was just saying new posts in general (not this particular one).. it's always good for a thread mine every now and then though, just to see something that hasn't been around and was a good read- although there are others that i can say the opposite

but i've seen other forums be much harsher that they'd ban a new user for a couple days for numerous new threads that are closely related to others.. it's not nice and i wont say which forum it is

Anything is possible with enough money... don't know if you remember this show car from a few years back... but it was RWD with a 540ci engine I believe (still got the mag around somewhere)

http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr187/mr_cosmo/1024x780-09.jpg

EDIT: Car was built by Darrell McBeth and the shell was supplied to him by mits on the condition it resembled a magna still, he completed it with a TJ front, then the TL was released and he had to use that front. He built the sony explod wagon from a commodore in the 90's.

Something about that magna just makes me hate it...

Something about that magna just makes me hate it...
the xplod stereo probs

the xplod stereo probs
or maybe the only magna-esque thing about the car is its shell, nothing else in that car has anything to do with a magna

but I'm sure most of you would own it if you have had half an opportunity to lol

Gonna let you all in on a little secret.
A member off this forums who is extremely talented and dedicated has made, well, the first i know of..... A TS MAGNA COUPE!

I have photos to prove this aswell. its also a RWD V8 with a chopped roof.
Its stunning to see, but still a WIP.

Just thought I'd let ya's know :)

']Gonna let you all in on a little secret.
A member off this forums who is extremely talented and dedicated has made, wel,l the first i know of..... A TS MAGNA COUPE!

I have photos to prove this aswell. its also a RWD V8 with a chopped roof.
Its stunning to see, but still a WIP.

Just thought I'd let ya's know :)

Wouldn't happen to be "MAD TS", would it?

Just a guess... :P

but I'm sure most of you would own it if you have had half an opportunity to lol

Id sell my left nut for it!!

mate, if you really love the magna, id go a AWD with a manual conversion, so a manual box from a evo 7, and some engine mods.

The only mitsubishi part of the 2 door one with the v8 in street machine is the body.
All of it is fully customised due to it being a ground up build from scratch.
I've only just added to this thread cause i'm a new member and i've wanted to do this since the V8 supercar project with the TJ magna with the chrysler V8 in it and have never seen anyone try it before.
Would be nice and different and would give ford and holden a run for their buck!
Thanks hojo for the good feedback:D ,i'm only tryin to help anyone on the forum with any project they wish to try out because i would be a customising friend than an enemy!

']Gonna let you all in on a little secret.
A member off this forums who is extremely talented and dedicated has made, well, the first i know of..... A TS MAGNA COUPE!

I have photos to prove this aswell. its also a RWD V8 with a chopped roof.
Its stunning to see, but still a WIP.

Just thought I'd let ya's know :)

Pics. Now.

Sounds insane.

Pics. Now.

Sounds insane.
I'll ask him first lol I know I dont like people posting pictures of my car without my permission. but its fooking INSANE!

If i could fabricate. i.e. weld, there would be no doubt in hell i would be making a RWD magna.

It sounds mad mate, good to see ppl thinking outta the box