I'm just after peoples opinions on those $70-$100 6" speakers that seem to be in autobarn type catalogs. I'm not an audiophile who demands absolute quality im just after a step up from 18 year old paper stock speakers. Are these kinda 6" speakers worth my while or should i be looking at saving for $150+ type speakers?

The pioneer blue series are pretty good for the price. They have decent treble but forget bass/mid bass. IMO i'd be looking at a set of Jaycar splits, can be had for around $120 and for the extra $40 you get some speakers who can handle all frequencies.

What model Pioneer 6" speakers are we talking? I've got a pair of TS-G1641R Pioneers in the rear of my AE82, those are normally around the $60 mark. Good bang for buck, offer quite a lot of kick for what they are. Would be better paired with 6x9"s in the rear I think, mines a little weak overall with 4" (TS-G1041R) fronts, but for what they are they're very good.

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These?
http://www.eherby.com/mercadolibre/images/pioneer/TSG1641R.jpg

What model Pioneer 6" speakers are we talking? I've got a pair of TS-G1641R Pioneers in the rear of my AE82, those are normally around the $60 mark. Good bang for buck, offer quite a lot of kick for what they are. Would be better paired with 6x9"s in the rear I think, mines a little weak overall with 4" (TS-G1041R) fronts, but for what they are they're very good.

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These?


Yeah those were the ones i was looking at. I'm just trying to get an idea of what i should be doing. Its going in a first gen so I can get 6" or 6x9s in the back with out modification and probably 6" in the front doors with a bit of hacking the trims. The plan was to avoid getting a sub as I'm not really into really bassy music.

Is there a huge sound difference between 6" and 6x9s?

Is there a huge sound difference between 6" and 6x9s?

there is abit of difference
you normally would use the 6" speakers if your using a sub as the bass will be coming from the sub not the speaker
6x9's are used by people who dont want/cant fit a sub in there car

Is there a huge sound difference between 6" and 6x9s?
Not a huge amount, depends what you want. With 2 pairs of 6" you will have a decent high end, a good midrange and slightly less bass than what I personally would want. 6x9" rears will be almost exactly the same expect there will be a lot more low end in the sound, it should sound richer and fuller with rear 6x9". If you want pioneer it might cost you $20-30 more to have 6x9" in the rear.

...6x9's are used by people who dont want/cant fit a sub in there carI read an car audio magazine once where the expert/pro audio writer said that anyone fitting 6x9's and a sub were just wasting their money, the two should never be fitted together. Anyone entering their shop, asking which sub to fit to match their 6x9's were walked straight back out the door. (something like that)
Just wondering what people's opinions were on this?

Oh and back on original topic, in my experience any speaker tends to be better than the old stock speakers, but having said that in some modern 2002+ cars, some of the speakers being fitted stock are actually quite good. But I see you have an 89TP so I'm guessing the lower range Pioneers will be a good improvement. ;)

I read an car audio magazine once where the expert/pro audio writer said that anyone fitting 6x9's and a sub were just wasting their money, the two should never be fitted together. Anyone entering their shop, asking which sub to fit to match their 6x9's were walked straight back out the door.

ahh yeah i know that shop


the owner lives under a bridge near my place and collects cans on tuesday (recycling day) to buy a $4 bottle of port


lol


i do agee with that somewhat, but most of us wouldnt be able to tell the difference

i had my 6x9's running off the hu and the 4ch running the front speakers and mono running the 4 12's

i then removed the 6x9's and it made a noticable difference in spl... the tiny hairs in your ears vibrated much more and made you dizzy sometimes, but in terms of sq from the front seat no diff really, but up back there was no sound that your used to just mega bass waves....

i think it's just easier to fit 6x9's in the reat of a magna as they are factory size and just bolt in, if you go to the trouble of 6" you have to make up a lil bit of timber and cut a hole in it etc... no real big deal.... but to those of us with only 3min of spare time i CBF lol

I read an car audio magazine once where the expert/pro audio writer said that anyone fitting 6x9's and a sub were just wasting their money, the two should never be fitted together. Anyone entering their shop, asking which sub to fit to match their 6x9's were walked straight back out the door. (something like that)
Just wondering what people's opinions were on this?

Oh and back on original topic, in my experience any speaker tends to be better than the old stock speakers, but having said that in some modern 2002+ cars, some of the speakers being fitted stock are actually quite good. But I see you have an 89TP so I'm guessing the lower range Pioneers will be a good improvement. ;)

Anyone whos heard my system (when my cars working lol) like LegionAir, MGNTZD...shoot there are a few other too....the 6x9's and sub's i have work beautifully....

couldnt are about what people say oh 6x9 is bad this sub that.....whatever.

It sounds awesome to me and hurts not only my ears but everyone else's too. So depends what your after really too. The 6x9's also give that extra bit of bass which just fills out the whole system.

if your after something for the front door's go to wow sight and sound and get yaself a set of fusion component split's for $90 buck's a set they will be much better then the pioneer 6inch trust me on that ...... and as for the 6x9 and sub get rid of the 6x9's as what happin's is there both trying to cross phase each other out as the 6x9 and sub both work the same on bass there working against each other thats why in a sedan u run 6inch or 6 1/2 inch in the rear .... because the 6inch don't produce bass ....... everyone try's to tell ya to go 6x9's with subs cause thats what they belive will sound better ...... if someone is willing to do a sound demo with both 6x9's and a sub - 6inch and a sub you will work out whats heaps better ...... just my 2cents worth

I think why they say don't get 6x9's is because most people mount them in the rear. A 6x9inch woofer will have about the same cone area as a normal 8inch circular woofer. I see no problem in fitting 6x9's and having a sub so long as the 6x9's are HP ( and pretty high as well >100Hz ) unless of course you mount them in the front.

I did have a problem with my 6x9's acting as passive radiators when I turned them off in the magna. Admittedly when I took them out, the sub was much better with no cancellation from the smaller speakers. However if they where mounted in the doors, or I put some work in, this would not have been the case.

I swear someone is selling those white Pioneer speakers for under $50 at the moment.

if your after something for the front door's go to wow sight and sound and get yaself a set of fusion component split's for $90 buck's a set they will be much better then the pioneer 6inch trust me on that ...... and as for the 6x9 and sub get rid of the 6x9's as what happin's is there both trying to cross phase each other out as the 6x9 and sub both work the same on bass there working against each other thats why in a sedan u run 6inch or 6 1/2 inch in the rear .... because the 6inch don't produce bass ....... everyone try's to tell ya to go 6x9's with subs cause thats what they belive will sound better ...... if someone is willing to do a sound demo with both 6x9's and a sub - 6inch and a sub you will work out whats heaps better ...... just my 2cents worth

Like Mr C Said if there HP'd they are fine.

I have 6x9's that are designed for good treble/midbass and that's what i wanted from them. They work well with the subs/fronts i have. I believe people say 6" in the back because it's easier to find 6's that aren't designed for bass.
Main reasion i went 6x9's is because i couldn't be stuffed messing around with mounts, in the 3rd gens the actual metal frame is cut to house the 6x9's.

I'm another the runs 6x9s and subs and i dont have any problems. you just have to make sure you have the system set up well. theres more to a good sounding system than just throwing in amps and speakers, its how well you tune it to suit a) what components you have, b) what type of music you listen to.

From what most people have said so fair they assume that normal 6 or 6.5inch woofers don't produce bass compared to 6x9's. While this may be true to some extent, neither speaker is really designed to play < 50Hz well ( Morel 6's / Oz Audio 6.5 / Vibe square 6x9 woofers are obvious exceptions for the size ). 6x9's are an easy way to get more cone area cheaply.

Its funny though because in my Boston 6.5 splits, the woofer has the same Xmax as typical Sony subwoofers. Power and correct installation is the key. Hell I think I read somewhere ages ago that the DD 6.5set got over 140db in a sound off ( <80Hz like everyone else ).

I run with splits in both front and rear doors so I don't have a problem :D

From what most people have said so fair they assume that normal 6 or 6.5inch woofers don't produce bass compared to 6x9's. While this may be true to some extent, neither speaker is really designed to play < 50Hz well ( Morel 6's / Oz Audio 6.5 / Vibe square 6x9 woofers are obvious exceptions for the size ). 6x9's are an easy way to get more cone area cheaply.

Its funny though because in my Boston 6.5 splits, the woofer has the same Xmax as typical Sony subwoofers. Power and correct installation is the key. Hell I think I read somewhere ages ago that the DD 6.5set got over 140db in a sound off ( <80Hz like everyone else ).

I run with splits in both front and rear doors so I don't have a problem :D
I agree with you there mate, but, I think most people are working on the fact that we're looking at a set of $100 speakers, not $500+

At the end of the day, it really comes down to personal taste and expectations, there are a lot of people who are more than happy with their entry level run of the mill speakers, and there are people who will spend the big bucks.
In regards to the origional post, i'd save up a bit extra and get a set of 2way splits.

I don't see the problem with having both 6x9s and subs either. If you wanted a SQ-orientated competition-grade system, then yeah it might not be the best idea - but then again, if you had that there's a good chance you'd have no rear fill at all :)

Personally, I've got a cheap(er) set of 6x9s in my back as rear fill. They sound heaps better the stock jobbies, but I've got them faded away just enough so that I can barely hear them from the front - so my ears focus more on my $$$ speakers :P I'd much rather this than muck around making adapters and spacers just to whack a set of 6"s in the back.

Back to the OP's question... if you have a first gen Magna, I imagine then even a cheapish set of speakers would be a good upgrade over what you've got. Heck, one of my mates has a Rampage (lol) set of speakers in his Skyline, and they definitely sound better than the stockies in my mate's old XF Falcon (not the most accurate comparison but you get the idea). Although like M4DDOG said, if you could pony up the extra money for the Jaycars, you probably wouldn't regret it.

these are mine in the front door's

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s180/psycho_cordia/PHOT0017-1.jpg




they were $90 a set from wow sight and sound ( annerely )

http://www.wowwicked.com.au/catalogue.php?p=5

http://www.wowwicked.com.au/catalogue.php?p=5
ha do you work there or something mate? nah wow is good, for budget speakers i like jbl, can be had at strathies for cheap as

Obviously you are working with a limited budget so for now I'd forget about the rear half of the car. I generally think in SQ rather than SPL, spl is for meat heads :P. Good bass response can be achieved (to a point) just in the front half, then the rear will just be for fill.

My advice would be to save a bit more and get a set of reasonable 6" splits, low end hertz etc would do well for $150-200. I'd then make sure they are mounted well, and that the doors are properly treated, some cheap version of dynamat etc, mount the tweaters at around eye level on the A piller or facing upwards on the kick panel, hide the cross over in the door, it looks ugly. If you mount everything properly then you'll have good bass response, out of the this world compared to the current speakers and your top end will be a LOT nicer than a set of Autobahn 6's, the sound will be a lot less fatiguing over all as well.

Ideally you'd then amplify them properly, ie. not off the head unit, a 2nd hand 2ch amp or maybe a jaycar amp with 50w RMS per channel and not the 12w RMS your head unit is putting out would be a good investment. You'd pick up a 2nd hand coustic or jaycar for $50, although I'd personally get a 4ch amp for future proofing. Then down the track you can add a sub or if you really want 6x9s, but the sub is a better bet :P then if you want some cheap 6"s for rear fill, I've got a set of sony splits in the back of my car for rear fill and they are fine, sound pretty ****ty if you are sitting in the back seat but they do their job for the driver who is the important one :P

I read an car audio magazine once where the expert/pro audio writer said that anyone fitting 6x9's and a sub were just wasting their money, the two should never be fitted together. Anyone entering their shop, asking which sub to fit to match their 6x9's were walked straight back out the door. (something like that)
Just wondering what people's opinions were on this?

Oh and back on original topic, in my experience any speaker tends to be better than the old stock speakers, but having said that in some modern 2002+ cars, some of the speakers being fitted stock are actually quite good. But I see you have an 89TP so I'm guessing the lower range Pioneers will be a good improvement. ;)

I think the comment re: the 6x9's is correct. They are really meant to replace a sub (but do a terrible job doing so!) My systems always consist of: 1x set of 6.5" components (splits) for the front, 2x 6" or 6.5" coaxials in the rear, 1x 12" sub. Usually use 1x 2ch amp for the fronts, run the rears off the headunit, and 1x Class-D monoblock for the sub.

I dont care what people say about 6x9's and subs. I had a pair in the rear dash, my 2 10's in the boot and it sounded great. The 6x9's done an excellent job of providing the highs and mids ( had them connected to an eq )