Hi All,

My current set-up is a Alpine HU and 6.5' (I think) Splits (Alpine) up front and (coughs and wispers) Kenwood 6X9s in the shelf. Now i was having a bit of a thort today and i was wondering what would be the better of 2 choices. Keep in mind that i will be running an amp and sub(s) with this as well in the future.

1. Upgrading the Kenwoods to Alpine Type R

2. Pissing off the 6x9s completley and installing another set of 6.5' Splits in the back doors.

All the speakers will be amped as well as the sub.

Personally i was always led to believe that the generic set-up was little speakers up front bigger speakers in the back and a sub in the boot, but after listening to the quality of the splits im in two minds. Also i was thinking with the 6x9s gone i could retrim the parcel shelf with something custom without having to worry about the speaker grills.

Any thorts and opinions would be good.

Thanks,

Kieran

+1 fo removing the rears all together :P

if it was me then i would have 6.5" splits up front (your upgrading to)
some 6.5" coaxials in the rear parcel shelf will be fine, these coaxials can be cheap speakers
a decent 4ch to run them
decent 12" sub with a matching decent monoblock should do the trick

I was thinkin about doin sumthin purdy with the doors thats y i was going splits in the door and they sound incredible compared to co-axials........

+1 fo removing the rears all together :P

Well yeah, I have spilts in my rear doors and I dont use them. Turn them on to show people the difference between stock splits off headunit power to decent splits off an amp but unless you going to do a sweet rear door install like you said, no big deal. Maybe you could mount them in the boot :D

Re-trimming the rear shelf could be a great idea. If you use a decent cloth, it will eliminate a lot of rattles and improve bass response.

piss of the 6x9's and in the rear just run a set of 2way 6.5inch

If your going a sub then your bass will be ample...

Remove the 6x9 and replace with a good set of 3 way 6' in the rear for fill,these will provide more midrange for you.
keep the good splits for the front for clarity.

Adjust so the fronts so they just overpower the rears, but only just to bring the stage forward.

I have 6x9 5ways in the rear with the splits upfront, but no sub... so i use the rear for all my bass. not ideal but i need the boot space.:doubt:

if you have a means to accomdating splits in your rear doors, this will certainly deliver the best result to your rear passengers. nothing more annoying than sound coming from behind your head imo.

this will also mean the speaker cones wont be affected by sub loading in the boot, not that his is the biggest issue unless you have a significant sub setup.

as for the whole '3 way/5 way' speaker thing... the less 'way' a coaxial speaker is the better. put it this way:

a 5 way speaker will be comprised of say the woofer, and 4 twenty cent tweeters.
a 2 way speaker will be comprised of say the woofer, and a single five dollar tweeter, delivering much sweeter sound than those 4 nasty little bits of plastic they call tweeters

simple is usually best, i run 5" splits up front with matching 5" coaxials in the rear, and a single 12" sub.

the rears are crossed slightly higher than the front (less bass) and are turned down so they are not as audible from the front seats, rear passengers are the only people that need to hear them

if you have a means to accomdating splits in your rear doors, this will certainly deliver the best result to your rear passengers.


I will MAKE the means :badgrin: :badgrin:

Ok so now to open a can of worms lol

I dont need extreme bass and i need boot space as well for the bodies... ahh i mean groceries, yes groceries thats it.

Would 2X 8' inche subs me worth my time and money or one 10' or 12 be better?? Remembering i dont need extreme power.

Thanks Again,

Kieran

I have the MTX TX6001 front and rear in my magna, sounds awsome

I will MAKE the means

Ok so now to open a can of worms lol

I dont need extreme bass and i need boot space as well for the bodies... ahh i mean groceries, yes groceries thats it.

Would 2X 8' inche subs me worth my time and money or one 10' or 12 be better?? Remembering i dont need extreme power.

Thanks Again,

Kieran

i'm a little bit biased, but single 10 or 12, mounted behind the driver side taillight :D

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/asylum83/Stereo/100_1504small.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/asylum83/Stereo/DSCF0081.jpg

:stoopid: easy one of the nicest looking and most practical boot installs right there, bet it sounds mint too, you have such nice taste in mods

even a single 8" woofer done right will satisfy you. but my preference goes to a single 10" sub myself. either where asylum has his (more costly due to fiberglassing), or in a box against the back seat, facing backwards will work a charm. being a small woofer, if you could push for space and fit a ported box it would be beneficial also.

the most ideal install i could think of for your circumstances would be a long and thin box, that spans between the wheel arches, with the sub facing backward, and possible a port on a side, or a curved port facing backwards also. you could also mount amps to the back of the box for extra space saving. HLUCIN8 had a similar setup with his 2 12" subs, and being the monster size boot that the magna has, it really does still leave room for a few bodies.

Ok, so ive spoken to a professional and apparently the best way to go is with co-axials in the door so as to minimise canncellation of noise, and to piss off the 6x9s completely.

Also i was drivin home the other day and i thort of a wicked looking plan for my boot install, as soon as i can find a way to draw my idea il post it and see wat ppl think but it calls for two 10' subs as apparently Alpine dont make 8s anymore. So the system is gonna have more power than i need, and i dont really think that is a bad thing!!

BTW that is a wicked install further up the thread, very tidy, love the work.

Thanks for everyones comments

Kieran

Hahahhahahaha coaxials

A: Never take that "Professionals" advice again ( if he was talking about your front stage )
B: Do you have to go Alpine?

Ok so he told you not to buy splits, and to have 2 subs, and one set of 6"s coax's probably running 30WRMS?

Who the hell were you talking to?

Splits for the front 100% yes, keep them
Rear, well everyone knows im bias but as a few people can vouch the 6x9's in the back of my car blend in beautifully with the music i listen too and overall im extreamly happy with them.

I would be looking for a prefab 10-12" sub and some MTX or JBL 6x9's IF you wanted to keep them

NO COAXIALS IN THE FRONT STAGE!!!!!!!!!

I already have the splits thank god!!

After hearing the difference between splits and co-ax several years ago i never thort i would touch them again! This is for the rear stage in the back door, i wanted splits in there too but the guy sed it would be s**thouse.

Just looking for more mid-range as the two 10s will suffice for base, wanted to to some custom work in the rear shelf thats y i want them in the doors.

Kieran


EDIT: And yes would still like to stay with Alpine, most of the gear looks nice and i wanna keep the theme throughout

']Ok so he told you not to buy splits, and to have 2 subs, and one set of 6"s coax's probably running 30WRMS?

Who the hell were you talking to?

Splits for the front 100% yes, keep them
Rear, well everyone knows im bias but as a few people can vouch the 6x9's in the back of my car blend in beautifully with the music i listen too and overall im extreamly happy with them.

I would be looking for a prefab 10-12" sub and some MTX or JBL 6x9's IF you wanted to keep them


Russ Adams in Townsville, i thort they were one of the good ones???

What sort of music do you listen to?? Mines treble-happy Heavy Metal

Russ Adams in Townsville, i thort they were one of the good ones???

What sort of music do you listen to?? Mines treble-happy Heavy Metal

Well I suppose there aren't many options up there ( for audition choices ) so I guess everyone up there has Alpine ( poor buggers ).

Splits in the rear doors can sound great for the rear passengers, co-axials will be cheaper if you don't carry people that often.

Single 12 will weigh less and give a similar result as 2x 10's. I have never liked any 10's that I have heard ( best ones are DD9910, IDMAX 10, OZ Me 10.2 ) but even those are loud but lack sub bass reproduction compared to larger diameter woofers, as you would expect.

Really at the end of the day what it comes down is whatever your happy with go for it as u have seen here there are different ppl with different thing's some are for 6x9's some are against them ..... we can tell you all day long go for this or go for that really it's you that has to listin to the music coming out of them so just make a wise choice in what you buy and the brand u buy .... plan it carefully try to stick with 1 insataller as i have done with all my car's and u shouldn't have a problem ...... that's my 2bob worth

Russ Adams in Townsville, i thort they were one of the good ones???

What sort of music do you listen to?? Mines treble-happy Heavy Metal

Same, as well as mainstream house.
Go and audition some speakers, The speakers i listened to catered to my music just how i like them compared to other brands of speakers.
My system was all done on a budget, less then $2K In total.
Rears are JBL GTO936's and fronts are outdated Clarion SRS1625's

Ok so it turns out i am an impulsive person and autobarn had a sale today so i ended up getting 2 x Clarion 12' subs for 50 bucks each so the original installation idea has gone out the window due to lack of room. the install will still be better than a box-in-the-boot job tho.

and there goes the all Alpine theme for now i spose.

Pretty sure im removing the 6x9s, still undecided about the splits or co-axials for the rear doors, alot of ppl say splits and alot say co-ax but im thinkin it might be splits for clarity.

Cheers for everyones help.

Kieran

If you plan on having a lot of people in the back or you make your girlfriend sit in there, get splits. If its simply for fill, get co-axials. I have splits in the rear doors ( factory, running off deck ) and my fade is 20/25 bias to the front and the front are amped.

I only fade it back if I have people in the back because it drags the stage behind with no added sound. I sit in the front and the lucky other person who rides shot gun can enjoy the quality. Anyone who sits in the back can just suffer my Oz pounding at their back plus whatever the stock 30WRMS splits pump out. :D

Ha Ha HAAAAA!!! Just read your last post on the clarions!!! What's the model number on them? Depending on what you want, you could have a tight and quick sounding sub-bass setup, or a low rumbling type setup, depending on your application of the subs...

If it's the clarions I'm thinking of, then a sealed setup may work best....

The other day at the magna meet, I was running Lucifer's sub box to see what it sounded like, and found that 2 15" subs can make you feel a bit sick after pounding out the bass all night. I'm pretty sure he's gonna have the loudest magna in the 'ville if he gets around to putting it into his car.

I sent a PM to ya earlier, and I decided to take some photos of my current setup, and the other sub box that I had...

http://www.lavendergreenooaks.com/BEN/Current%20layout1.jpg

http://www.lavendergreenooaks.com/BEN/current%20layout2.jpg

http://www.lavendergreenooaks.com/BEN/current%20layout3.jpg

The setup above is a 80 ltr enclosure for 2 12" subs. It has a concealed port tuned to 26 Hz, which gives a peak at 33 hz with the subs I'm using... Good for low, controlled bass.. I designed the subs to fire into the cabin for a snappy tight sound, and made VERY sure that it was sealed off from the boot area. The port fires directly through the Ski port, and is free to exite the cabin air unhindered for high SPL applications.

Having the subs setup this way was the best solution for me, as I frequently have my wife borrow the car, and she shows little care when she throws the groceries and pram in the boot (bless her sweet soul). With the subs facing into the boot, I probably would have had a cone damaged by now...

I also don't suffer from horrid boot rattle, which is practically unavoidable with most rear facing sub setups... Also note that it is VERY hard to get past the 140dB mark with a rear facing sub setup, as the boot seal no longer is affective, and the boot lid itself affects the resultant output at these pressure levels.

http://www.lavendergreenooaks.com/BEN/sealed%20boxes3.jpg

http://www.lavendergreenooaks.com/BEN/Sealed%20boxes.jpg

This is the other box I was talking about. It's for a single 12" sub, and can be mounted either firing into the cabin, or turned around to get the maximum gain from the boot area in low power applications. There is a nice big flat panel on the back of the box for a big a$$ amp to mount onto if space is an issue.

I reckon experimentation with different setups is the key with most things, so let us know if you want to try a couple of different setups, or even if you want to listen to my setup as a comparison... My rear soundstage features a set of Focal 6*9s that are worth over $300, and barely get used at all... The previous 6*9's were Kenwoods, and to be honest I can't tell the difference at all... Biggest mistake I ever made was to upgrade my rear speakers.

If you plan on having a lot of people in the back or you make your girlfriend sit in there, get splits. If its simply for fill, get co-axials. I have splits in the rear doors ( factory, running off deck ) and my fade is 20/25 bias to the front and the front are amped.

I only fade it back if I have people in the back because it drags the stage behind with no added sound. I sit in the front and the lucky other person who rides shot gun can enjoy the quality. Anyone who sits in the back can just suffer my Oz pounding at their back plus whatever the stock 30WRMS splits pump out. :D

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Dude!!! I swear you can read my thoughts sometimes!!!lol

I used to have a set of splits in the rear parcel shelf (bostons) which were exactly the same as the front splits, and it TOTALLY destroyed my sound stage... So I moved em up the front with the others... So I guess what I'm saying is that you may find that it will be detremental to use splits in the rear if you want a good front stage setup...

I'd love to show you my setup, just to give you an idea of what we are on about...

Too bad Asylum is soooo far away. That setup is secksee!!!!!!

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Dude!!! I swear you can read my thoughts sometimes!!!lol



well usually there is only 1 or 2 ways to do it.. properly. A bit of experience listening to people complain doesn't hurt either :D .

I would personally rear load my subs though. Without phase control I found that rear loading with some mucking round was the best for minimial cancellation. Every application is different though.

Those Clarions I see in both sealed and ported. If you have a decent amount of power I would have them sealed.

there is a hole in the parcel shelf of the 3rd gens that will take a 8 or 10" sub. Swing your head under from the boot side and you will see what i am on about.

Yeah i thort about that, even read a thread sumwhere about it. Apparently they changed the rules a little while back and now you cant cut into the parcel shelf without rendering it defective (sumthing about structural integrity).

But otherwise i would have gone with that, thort it was about the right size wen i forst saw it.