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magna00
21-01-2008, 06:56 PM
Ive come across a 6a13 motor and gearbox (out of a legnum) and am thinking off putting into my TH, now i know the gearbox wont fit due to being awd (would have to use a manual box off the 3 or 3.5) my questions are: will the fwd box bolt up to the 2.5 motor? and also are the engine mounting are different between the 2 motors? Money isnt an issue im just tossing up the idea and am after more info on whether it could be possible.
magna buff
21-01-2008, 07:00 PM
first contact an approved vehicle modification engineer for cars before starting the project
there might be some issues about chassis and engine mounts
magna00
21-01-2008, 07:13 PM
first contact an approved vehicle modification engineer for cars before starting the project
there might be some issues about chassis and engine mounts
yeah i know it will have to be engineer'ed etc just wanting to know if it will line up without major modification to the original mounts. At this stage its all thought but the more info i get the more of an imformed choice i can make on whether or not to go for it
NEDDDY
22-01-2008, 04:44 PM
wasn't there pics on here or sumfin from someone here in melb who seen a 3rd gen wagon with the 2.5TT in it, they were also talk to the owner bout it
turbo_charade
22-01-2008, 05:24 PM
Sounds like something I would do :)
Go for it mate, make a project out of it and don't be dishearted. Engineering will be a piece of cake, its a modern motor and smaller capacity.
It will require 4 new engine mounts probably, but thats nothing that can't be done.
GRDPuck
30-01-2008, 10:46 PM
wasn't there pics on here or sumfin from someone here in melb who seen a 3rd gen wagon with the 2.5TT in it, they were also talk to the owner bout itI know this threads getting a little old but I stumbled on the wagon I think you were referring too...
http://www.fastmagna.com/gallery/Members/TE-TL/dans-vr4/
Matty_J
31-01-2008, 07:15 AM
yeah and think that its a typical jap motor detuned because of the 180k speed limit and power restriction. A new exhaust, full ecu and more boost= an insanely quick magna :)
Yeh it has been done before which means it can be done again, although it wont be cheap to complete thats for sure, but money wise its not a smart option, you would be better off just buying a galant or legnum as the conversion itself would be a good 8-10k with labour, engy cert etc etc.
Good luck!
Magnatised
31-01-2008, 07:19 AM
Nah, doooo itttt.
Would be really good. Would be a very unique Magna.
NEDDDY
31-01-2008, 03:02 PM
I know this threads getting a little old but I stumbled on the wagon I think you were referring too...
http://www.fastmagna.com/gallery/Members/TE-TL/dans-vr4/
yep thats the one
NORBY
31-01-2008, 03:30 PM
wheels on it are terrible!
magna00
31-01-2008, 04:02 PM
yeah thanks guys for the comments etc currrently im still deciding whether or not to A: supercharge it via a 2nd hand sprintex kit, B: NA build up or C: 6a13 conversion, i have a 15k budget atm can stretch a little further if needed. Im going to try a couple of workshops tomorrow to see who will actually consider doing any of the work for me.
btw does the trannys from any of the 6g series bolt up to the 6a13? or will a custom bellhousing etc be needed?
Matty_J
31-01-2008, 04:12 PM
yeah thanks guys for the comments etc currrently im still deciding whether or not to A: supercharge it via a 2nd hand sprintex kit, B: NA build up or C: 6a13 conversion, i have a 15k budget atm can stretch a little further if needed. Im going to try a couple of workshops tomorrow to see who will actually consider doing any of the work for me.
btw does the trannys from any of the 6g series bolt up to the 6a13? or will a custom bellhousing etc be needed?
Mate if you have 15k to play with why not just buy a VR4 galant/legnum???
I have seen them go for anywhere between 15-20k already imported even cheaper if you import it yourself, why go to all the hassle to do this to a FWD magna???
yeah thanks guys for the comments etc currrently im still deciding whether or not to A: supercharge it via a 2nd hand sprintex kit, B: NA build up or C: 6a13 conversion, i have a 15k budget atm can stretch a little further if needed. Im going to try a couple of workshops tomorrow to see who will actually consider doing any of the work for me.
btw does the trannys from any of the 6g series bolt up to the 6a13? or will a custom bellhousing etc be needed?
If your option list includes supercharging, with a budget of $15k I would recommend the s/c route. You can save alot on labour by having all the mods done at once. For your $15k and if you did it all in one hit you would be able to
Install sprintex s/c
Forged Pistons and stronger bolts
Bigger Injectors and fuel pump
Full replacement ecu and sensors
Extractors and custom exhaust
Some head work
CAI
Oil catch can
And maybe even the hallowed water injection set-up.
Properly installed and tuned this would give you somewhere around 280 - 300kw at the crank and in the vicinity of 500nM.
Importantly, the engine will have gobs of torque across the rev range and be very civilised to drive.
I don't think you will get anywhere near 500nM for a $15k N/A build up.
magna00
31-01-2008, 04:20 PM
Mate if you have 15k to play with why not just buy a VR4 galant/legnum???
I have seen them go for anywhere between 15-20k already imported even cheaper if you import it yourself, why go to all the hassle to do this to a FWD magna???
because i dont really want a legnum or a galant besides that i would perfer to be a bit unique and drive a TT magna its something people dont hear of every day.
I havent set anything in stone yet im just searching around and doing my homework
magna00
31-01-2008, 04:23 PM
If your option list includes supercharging, with a budget of $15k I would recommend the s/c route. You can save alot on labour by having all the mods done at once. For your $15k and if you did it all in one hit you would be able to
Install sprintex s/c
Forged Pistons and stronger bolts
Bigger Injectors and fuel pump
Full replacement ecu and sensors
Extractors and custom exhaust
Some head work
CAI
Oil catch can
And maybe even the hallowed water injection set-up.
Properly installed and tuned this would give you somewhere around 280 - 300kw at the crank and in the vicinity of 500nM.
Importantly, the engine will have gobs of torque across the rev range and be very civilised to drive.
I don't think you will get anywhere near 500nM for a $15k N/A build up.
yeah i do go ahead with any of the above options it would all be done at once not bits and pieces here and there. As with NA i know i wouldnt get that much power but it was an option i have considered im just covering all bases here.
Phonic
31-01-2008, 04:29 PM
Depending on the cost of the engine, I can't see the Galant motor conversion costing anywhere near $15K. If I remember correctly you can use a combination of the 6G and 6A mounts to fit the motor. TButcher (a member here) did the transplant into a TH (Although he did the whole AWD conversion), but I remember him saying it wasn't much of a problem fitting it in, just a tight squeeze around the fire wall.
magna00
31-01-2008, 04:31 PM
Depending on the cost of the engine, I can't see the Galant motor conversion costing anywhere near $15K. If I remember correctly you can use a combination of the 6G and 6A mounts to fit the motor. TButcher (a member here) did the transplant into a TH (Although he did the whole AWD conversion), but I remember him saying it wasn't much of a problem fitting it in, just a tight squeeze around the fire wall.
alright sweet 15k is my budget and if i dont spend it all i can use it to buy something else hehe. good to hear though that it does fit and its a not a ultra major job
hedgie
30-03-2008, 07:10 PM
how you end up going man? im pretty keen on doing the legnum engine conversion myself. found a real good deal getting a engine and gearbox under 1k. got a couple of mech mates saying yes other half saying no way 10k at least. have you researched how much heavier magnas are? in regards to how quick compared to the galant/legnums you could get. Big efforts looking at that other dudes job. maybe i should just get a 3.5lt instead:doubt:
magna00
30-03-2008, 07:16 PM
how you end up going man? im pretty keen on doing the legnum engine conversion myself. found a real good deal getting a engine and gearbox under 1k. got a couple of mech mates saying yes other half saying no way 10k at least. have you researched how much heavier magnas are? in regards to how quick compared to the galant/legnums you could get. Big efforts looking at that other dudes job. maybe i should just get a 3.5lt instead:doubt:
when i did my research when i was looking doing a conversion i couldnt really find any halfcuts that still had all the external bits (alternator etc) and full loom for under 2.5k. Btw forget the gearbox as it is awd and cant be converted to fwd according to a lot of the galant forums. A FTO box fits it but requires a special clutch to be made up according to exedy. Getting your hands on a manual box is very difficult, i could of helped ya out as i had one sitting in storage but sold it to a FTO owner looking to do a auto to manual conversion.
ARS55
30-03-2008, 08:20 PM
all of the info that hes been provided is great but your original question has still not been answered.
will a manual magna gearbox fit onto the 6A13 motor easily??
does it require an adaptor plate and custom clutch setup??
magna00
31-03-2008, 03:58 AM
all of the info that hes been provided is great but your original question has still not been answered.
will a manual magna gearbox fit onto the 6A13 motor easily??
does it require an adaptor plate and custom clutch setup??
no the orginal magna box wont fit, will need a custom bellhousing and clutch setup to fit it.
EZ Boy
02-04-2008, 07:06 PM
$15k will get you a centrifugal powered 500hp+ car. Let me know if you want links to cheap quality forged rods and pistons. There's lots of cheap gear in the US going to waste.
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