For those of you who have the brembo's or who have looked into it - Is there a difference between the EVOs and their intercompatability with our vehicles? Is there a model which is easier than the others to fit?

I'm looking for a set and want to make sure that I get the right parts/easiest to install and im not to confident with the finer details so any help would be appreciated :)

I've been told EVO6 brembos are a straight bolt-on at the front, and the rear requires a spacer to get the rotor offset right.

Apparently EVO7 or later brembos require some mucking around to fit, not sure what exactly though.

EDIT: I stand corrected, EVO9 onwards brembos are different.

From what I've read the real difficuilty is finding rims with the required amount of depth to fit over the brembo's.

6 to 9's are the same fitment wise, the later ones have a slightly revised calliper design with different pins to hold the pads in.

The fronts will bolt straight up with std EVO rotors, the calliper is huge so spoke clearance is a big issue. Forget trying to run big ie. Std magna offsets (+46).

Rears, the hat height on the evo rear rotor is 3.7mm too deep. So you need a spacer that fits on the hub before you put the rotor on to get the rotor in the middle of the calliper.

NOTE: The AWD Magna rear callipers line up perfect! No spacer needed.

Some cars you may need to grind some of the casting dags off the rear knuckle cos they can slightly interfere with the mounting bracket on the calliper.

You’ll want some braided lines made up with banjo fittings to bolt onto the callipers.

Make sure u get the bolts with the callipers.

And please get them checked over by an engineer so u’ve got a certificate!!!

The fronts will bolt straight up with std EVO rotors, the calliper is huge so spoke clearance is a big issue. Forget trying to run big ie. Std magna offsets (+46).

Being that im not hugely mechanicly minded but i have a set of 18" already - is there something on the rim im looking for specificly to make sure they'll fit?

Being that im not hugely mechanicly minded but i have a set of 18" already - is there something on the rim im looking for specificly to make sure they'll fit?
Yep, try a set on an EVO, problem is that they are usually a smaller offset, most of the jap wheels will tell you which offsets of different wheels will clear EVO brembos. Local cheep wheels you'll have to check yourself.

It's how far the spokes come into the wheels, more dish is worse cos the spokes are further in.

NOTE: The AWD Magna rear callipers line up perfect! No spacer needed.
here is something interesting for you cummins! we all know my ralliart was a prototype as such, well i made the 4mm spacer to go inside the hub and guess what . . . didnt need it! very wierd but it lined up perfectly without them inside the disc. spoke with ego on the wknd and he had to space his out to fit.

wierd bloody car!

As good has Evo 6 & 7 Brembo's are I just can't get arounf paying so much for them... I ended up just going to RPW again and getting their upgrades kits for the front & back...

As good has Evo 6 & 7 Brembo's are I just can't get arounf paying so much for them... I ended up just going to RPW again and getting their upgrades kits for the front & back...

With the amount you spent on F&R RPW kit you coulda got Brembos, or getting close...

Yep, try a set on an EVO, problem is that they are usually a smaller offset, most of the jap wheels will tell you which offsets of different wheels will clear EVO brembos. Local cheep wheels you'll have to check yourself.

So just to clarify if i wanted to get a set of evo 6(7,8,9) calipers and tried my rims on an evo 6(7,8,9) and they fit i should be pretty right?

So just to clarify if i wanted to get a set of evo 6(7,8,9) calipers and tried my rims on an evo 6(7,8,9) and they fit i should be pretty right?
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Yep, try a set on an EVO, problem is that they are usually a smaller offset, most of the jap wheels will tell you which offsets of different wheels will clear EVO brembos. Local cheep wheels you'll have to check yourself.

It's how far the spokes come into the wheels, more dish is worse cos the spokes are further in.

Yeah I spent some time talking to Cummins on this plus ages researching rims. in the end I came to the conclusion that to be absolutely sure you had no rim clearnace probs with 18's, Enkeis were the way to go (about $500/rim). For almost any other manufacturer you will need 19's, and as Cummins wisely advised me you should test fit such a rim to be sure of clearances.

Fraid I bottled it though and ditched the Brembo idea. I didn't like most of the Enkei patterns at 500/wheel (at half the price there are a few I would go for) and I travel far too many rough roads to run 19's without fear of bending them.

You guys wern't kidding about massive offset - i tried my wheels on a evo 6.5 today and they hit the calipers and still had about an inch left.

Thanks for the advice! I gotta make a call on swapping wheels or dealing with the twin piston 380 calipers i already have now :think:

You guys wern't kidding about massive offset - i tried my wheels on a evo 6.5 today and they hit the calipers and still had about an inch left.

Thanks for the advice! I gotta make a call on swapping wheels or dealing with the twin piston 380 calipers i already have now :think:

are the twin pot 380 calipers no good?

What about braided lines and a really good slotted rotor/pad combo? Upgraded master cylinder maybe?

if you want bigger brakes but want to keep the same wheel, you can go down the same path as i did

here's the link to my thread:
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40431&highlight=big+brake+upgrade

for those interested evo 4 brakes (front at least) are a straight swap (minus some cleaning up) for the 2nd Gen front brakes. Still couldnt justify the price tag they had on them though

if you want bigger brakes but want to keep the same wheel, you can go down the same path as i did

here's the link to my thread:
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40431&highlight=big+brake+upgrade

Which is exactly what I am doing. Though I am using TZAboys old rear calipers but powder coated red to match the PBR fronts....

for those interested evo 4 brakes (front at least) are a straight swap (minus some cleaning up) for the 2nd Gen front brakes. Still couldnt justify the price tag they had on them though
Exact same as KS verada calipers iirc.

are the twin pot 380 calipers no good?

What about braided lines and a really good slotted rotor/pad combo? Upgraded master cylinder maybe?

Don't know yet lol - motor needs to go back in first so i can test them :roll:

I have the awd master cylinder and the braided lines already but i mean when someone asks what brakes you've got....

"oh, I have brembos....."

You just can't beat that LOL

All im gunna say is i kept my original 20s and fitted the Brembos..:)
Having to change the wheels is over rated..:)


P.S. I got the brakes engineered yesterday..:)

well I ended up getting a set of brembo 4 pot front and 2 pot rears off ebay off an evo (yet to find out which one but suits 5 - 9)

i dont suppose their is a way to engineer them to fit my existing wheels? lol

im not particularly keen on going much higher than 18 - 19s did your 20's just fit or did you do something special ego?

are the twin pot 380 calipers no good?

What about braided lines and a really good slotted rotor/pad combo? Upgraded master cylinder maybe?

The 380 and EVO4(ralliart/awd) brakes are quite good for what they are, in SA 2 or 3 IPRA mid-field race magnas are still using them. Apparently the 380 brakes are a tad better due to using a thicker rotor.

Pad/rotor combo is just as important as the calipers themselves. I run Ferodo DS2500/DBA4000, and havn't experienced any significant brake fade at the track (Wakefield).

Though I would still love to have Bembos, due to the nicer feel/modulation. But use crappy pads with Brembos and they will still fade with abuse.

i dont suppose their is a way to engineer them to fit my existing wheels? lol

Suggest you also pm Cummins. He has full Evo setup and is very well versed in what is required to get the Brembos on. From my chats with him tho, if you stay with 18's you will be very limited in what wheel will fit over the front calipers. It seems that it becomes much less of an issue with 19's and a complete non-event if you have 20's like EGO.

if you want them to fit over 18's, find out what wheels the evo boys are throwing on their cars and go from there.

pffft brembos are for ppl with large noses and funny accents ;)

soooooo.... anyway.... if ou can fit evo brakes to a magna, then... how about evo brake upgrades then???


look a nice upgrade for your magna TZA chuck them pissy lil brakes on a mini minor or something and get the ALCON's with 370mm rotors :P

http://www.forcedfed.com/evo/images/alcon.jpg

still only just needs 18's so maybe they are a temp upgrade till something bigger can fill the gap the 20's leave

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Link: (http://www.forcedfed.com/evo/brakeupgrades/alcon.html) Forcedfed is proud to offer in conjunction with Alcon the ultimate front brake package for the Evo VIII. This kit consists of 6 piston Alcon billet mono block calipers clamping 355MM vented rotors for maximum stopping power. This kit will not fade even under the harshest track testing and is a fantastic upgrade for the customer who demands the best from his Evo. This kit also includes competition pads, stainless steel brake lines and fittings. 18 inch wheels required.

ALCON 355MM FRONT BRAKE UPGRADE $3,395.00 (USD I Imagine)

-Dan

Don't know yet lol - motor needs to go back in first so i can test them :roll:

I have the awd master cylinder and the braided lines already but i mean when someone asks what brakes you've got....

"oh, I have brembos....."

You just can't beat that LOL

I'd seriously advise driving the car "as is" before deciding what braking hardware you require, unless you have money to burn (which it sounds like you might - but then again you're car has been a long time in the making so I can't be sure).

I've been getting around on bog stock exec braking hardware (with the exception of DBA Gold rotors front, and slotted rear - the normal ones, not DBA4000 or anything) for over 12 months. Sure I've scared the crap out of myself a couple of times because I was doing something I shouldn't have been doing on the road, but I've never had a problem pulling the car up.

If you plan to do track work (I'm talking circuit work, not 400m in a straight line), then you'll need bigger than standard brakes, but unless you're planning on taking the car to Mt warren park the first day you get it back on the road, then whats the rush??

*edit - oh and for the record, no one has ever asked me "what brakes you got?"

*edit - oh and for the record, no one has ever asked me "what brakes you got?"



what brakes you got :cool:

ALCON 355MM FRONT BRAKE UPGRADE $3,395.00 (USD I Imagine)

-Dan

Far out! And I'm guessing this is fronts only. Nice setup but...

And we're all going on about nothing anyway. Have you seen the systems Brabus do for their Uber coupes and sedans? Twelve - count em, 12 - piston front calipers :shock:

Suggest you also pm Cummins. He has full Evo setup and is very well versed in what is required to get the Brembos on. From my chats with him tho, if you stay with 18's you will be very limited in what wheel will fit over the front calipers. It seems that it becomes much less of an issue with 19's and a complete non-event if you have 20's like EGO.
A NOTE as to the wheel sizes, no matter what diameter the wheels are, you will still need to check the calliper clearances, it's all to do with spoke design and offset, not to do with the diameter of the wheel (17” + for 320mm rotors in this case).

I'd seriously advise driving the car "as is" before deciding what braking hardware you require, unless you have money to burn (which it sounds like you might - but then again you're car has been a long time in the making so I can't be sure).

I've been getting around on bog stock exec braking hardware (with the exception of DBA Gold rotors front, and slotted rear - the normal ones, not DBA4000 or anything) for over 12 months. Sure I've scared the crap out of myself a couple of times because I was doing something I shouldn't have been doing on the road, but I've never had a problem pulling the car up.

If you plan to do track work (I'm talking circuit work, not 400m in a straight line), then you'll need bigger than standard brakes, but unless you're planning on taking the car to Mt warren park the first day you get it back on the road, then whats the rush??

*edit - oh and for the record, no one has ever asked me "what brakes you got?"

I'm not sure if that was a shot over the bow but I won't take it as one.

Whilst building my car I have settled for nothing less than what I think is the best in terms of it, and the brakes were going to be no exception.

On top of this, I would also rather be 100% percent certain that the brakes are going to have no problem pulling the car up, rather than taking the risk and something going wrong.

While nobody may have asked you "what brakes you got?" my point was actually from a designing my car perspective. 380 calipers just don't have that ring to them - and admittedly I can be somewhat of a show pony.

On a side note, thanks everybody - the details and knowledge you've given me here has made it clear what decisions i need to make and I really appreciate the feedback!

pffft brembos are for ppl with large noses and funny accents ;)

soooooo.... anyway.... if ou can fit evo brakes to a magna, then... how about evo brake upgrades then???


look a nice upgrade for your magna TZA chuck them pissy lil brakes on a mini minor or something and get the ALCON's with 370mm rotors :P

http://www.forcedfed.com/evo/images/alcon.jpg

still only just needs 18's so maybe they are a temp upgrade till something bigger can fill the gap the 20's leave
you paying for them bro?

I'm not sure if that was a shot over the bow but I won't take it as one.

Whilst building my car I have settled for nothing less than what I think is the best in terms of it, and the brakes were going to be no exception.

On top of this, I would also rather be 100% percent certain that the brakes are going to have no problem pulling the car up, rather than taking the risk and something going wrong.

While nobody may have asked you "what brakes you got?" my point was actually from a designing my car perspective. 380 calipers just don't have that ring to them - and admittedly I can be somewhat of a show pony.

On a side note, thanks everybody - the details and knowledge you've given me here has made it clear what decisions i need to make and I really appreciate the feedback!

Sorry if my comment was over the line, I take it back. Good on you for having the luxury of being able to take your time, and do it right the first time. Sure beats spending all your money and then still having a list of **** that needs to be done to the car. :cool:

I was just trying to offer an alternative opinion about what you might need vs. what you obviously want.