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andrewd
05-02-2008, 09:06 PM
it had been mentioned in another thread we should discuss this here


so here it is

380vs aurion/falcon/commodore


go nuts

andrewd
05-02-2008, 09:08 PM
and here you go

AURIONS ARE WAY FASTER THAN 380's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6EliEwvR_4)

proof that the AURION is much quicker than the 380

i got this link off the aus aurion forums

this car it totally stock


and for those who cant see

14.5sec 1/4 mile @ calder park

Articuno
05-02-2008, 09:12 PM
Why are you still here?

Why not go annoy them instead of us since you love the Aurion so much.

Edit: Since the Aurion is so fantastic, why is it only pulling similar times to a stock Ralliart, when the Ralliart has 20 odd kw's less?

Fantaysia
05-02-2008, 09:15 PM
"Aurion is built in Australia and carries a fair number of local design modifications to change it from the Japanese/American original. At first glance it looks like it was based on the Lexus GS, but it�s basically a Camry with a redesigned head and tail. It looks much more elegant and muscular than the Camry. And it comes with a 6 cylinder engine, whereas the Camry no only comes in a 4 cylinder version."

Oh a 6cylinder you say? different headlights? $15 grand more? I'll take it!!! pfffffffffft

They brought out the Aurion to get rid of the stigma attached to the camry name. No one buys camry's except old people/mum/social workers. Facelift it and put more killer wasps in it and all of a sudden everyone loves Aurion and its soooooo different! (despite the same basic suspension, shape, identical chassis, same interior ... oh but its different!!

People for ****sake stop saying its nothing like the camry!
/end rant

Fantaysia
05-02-2008, 09:17 PM
Why are you still here?

Why not go annoy them instead of us since you love the Aurion so much.

Edit: Since the Aurion is so fantastic, why is it only pulling similar times to a stock Ralliart, when the Ralliart has 20 odd kw's less?

lol (insert annoying kids singing here) "Andrew and Aurion sitting in the tree! K I S S I N G!"

Fantaysia
05-02-2008, 09:21 PM
MULTIPOST! Google it for yourselves people!

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/812/aurionvs380yl3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:

andrewd
05-02-2008, 09:29 PM
Why are you still here?

Why not go annoy them instead of us since you love the Aurion so much.

Edit: Since the Aurion is so fantastic, why is it only pulling similar times to a stock Ralliart, when the Ralliart has 20 odd kw's less?

cos the ralliart is manual goose

whats a auto ralliart do..... more than 15 sec

no atmo magna auto has done a 14 sec pass

also the std aurion has the ability to run quicker but the tcl limits that... there is evidence of low 14 sec std aurions 14.2 14.3



wahhh wahhh wahhh camry this camry that 15 dearer than a camry? camrys cost 20k? nope base model auto $29990!

camrys have the same name as magnas outside of the happy gay fwd family car circle


just starting the debate as mentioned before


and there was the proof the stock aurion auto is quicker than a modded manual 380 down the 1/4


and **** me the bugger is about as fast as my s/c awd was, and proably much faster on the open road, as i could launch hard, where the tcl kills that option on the aurion


thanks

VeradaBoy
05-02-2008, 09:31 PM
In my opinion:

Mitsubishi 380(have driven all variants)
For: best value/dynamics
Ag: features, image/styling

Ford Falcon BF(have driven heaps of rentals at Europcar)
For: drivetrain/space
Ag: aging design now extinct/build quality

Holden Commodore VE(have driven omega and standard calais)
For: looks great/classy interior
Ag: Disappointing urban dynamics/worst economy of the four here

Toyota Aurion(have only driven current Camry)
For: drivetrain technology/quality
Ag: it's a Camry on speed with lipstick/typical FWD handling unlike 380

andrewd
05-02-2008, 09:34 PM
ohh i failed to mention the bf 6spd auto has been proven to run mid 14's stock

very fast too

but the styling of the bf is out of date now

the missus famiy has 2 ba fairmonts and they feel so old when you compare it to a new car Ve for example

the ford interior, whilst i liked it at first... i hate it now

VeradaBoy
05-02-2008, 09:38 PM
andrewd, nothing wrong with you liking the Aurion, it's a great car. Pipped at the post by VE Commodore for COTY and has won the RAC's etc best large car award 2 years running.

However, I find your attitude to be unnecessarily abrubt and disappointing.

andrewd
05-02-2008, 09:41 PM
andrewd, nothing wrong with you liking the Aurion, it's a great car. Pipped at the post by VE Commodore for COTY and has won the RAC's etc best large car award 2 years running.

However, I find your attitude to be unnecessarily abrubt and disappointing.

the forums are going all camry style

need some excitment

aurion is great and the esp works well, but the non switchable traction control ruins everything (apparently can be shut off somehow)

i love the VE

i was watching vids of a ve ss with std engine just intake exh and tuning doing 12 sec 1/4's and with nothing other than a cam doing mid 11's

wow, and they look great too.... i wouldnt have a V6 one though... but then i'd never be able to afford to run the V8 and pay the tickets lol

VeradaBoy
05-02-2008, 09:59 PM
If I was gonna get a VE, I wouldn't go past the HSV Senator, black/evoke grey with 2-tone interior. That thing is bloody sex on wheels!:P

But comparing say 380 ES vs VE Omega, I'd pick the 380 any day, and that's w/o me being biased... truly. Very disappointed by Omega, just didn't seem anywhere near as refined as I was lead to believe, certainly less refined than 380 ES (no doubt with the aide of 5sp tippy and much sweeter sounding donk).

As far as Falcon goes, we'll have to wait till Orion, no point comparing with BF etc.

Knotched
05-02-2008, 10:02 PM
Andrew,

You are a sh*t stirrer and you've just done this to amuse yourself.

But since this is the day Mitsubishi Aus is no more and I'm on a night shift, I'm going to spend the whole night throwing it back at you.


and the camry is nothing like the aurion...

i have 2 mates one with a 4cyl and the other with a V6

night and day difference.



It shares the same floorpan as the Camry - giving it an identical track - and as well as being built on the same factory line as its smaller sibling it will also borrow the Camry's doors.

http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/toyota-aurion.htm



and yeah the base model in a straight line will hose a 380....

Undisputed. But since I'm the only one here as far as I know that has gone up seriously against an Aurion and that being 4 weeks after I got my car (1500km on the odo) they are closer than you want to make us believe. The Aurion walked away from my car - it certainly wasn't "raped". The difference in times noted by Wheels and Motor are around 4/10 sec over 400m.




on a twisty road, well is tas twisty enough... it'd stick with any well driven sedan... had the least amount of understeer in any fwd i've ever driven... now with sports dampeners and springs you'd have a real good ride there.......

Now you don't know what you're talking about.
The 380VRX was written up in the 2005 Wheels handling test and was preferred over the Golf GTi and quicker in the slalom then the Commode R8. The car has an inherint balance that allows it to be provoked into oversteer in a corner. Something I've proven to myself. You can throw the 380 into a corner at 10/10ths (loss of grip on all tyres) and expect to be able to get it out the other side. try that in an Aurion, if it'll let you. A subsequent Wheels test of SV6,XR6, VRX and Aurion found the 380 to be much better handling than the Aurion, particularly in the wet.
The TRD Aurion has better springs and dampers and still handles like crap; because the chassis is crap - that's why it has masses of electronic handling assistance and everything else to keep it going in the direction you need.

If what I've said above means nothing to you, all I can say is I've driven the door handles off a Toyota Corolla 5 speed through the Adelaide hills a few years ago and caught easily a hard driven Mitsubishi Cordia Turbo. Handling makes a big difference to anyone who considers themselves a driver rather than a hwy tourer.


an aurion with the same mods would be much better than the 380.......
The same mods???
The 380 is released in OZ with a 4 cylinder intake and the muffler is the old Magna tri-flow design. Every VRX/Sports Magna has a sports muffler; put one on the 380 and watch the engine come alive and performance change.
AFAIK the Aurion doesn't suffer from these defects.


too bad mitsu will never have the chance to catch up and put a decent tech engine in their cars... took holden and ford long enough now they all have dual cam vvt etc...

haha, 3.8 litre came out in 2005 and met Euro 3 standards years early. It was a match for the VE standard engine with it's dual overhead cams and wasn't too far off the BA as well. Hardly an anchor yet.



:edit:

just thought i'd add

380 as tested by ppl on the forums modded and manual (still slower than crappy old 3.0L magna manuals LOL) not impressive time at all considering all the low 15 high 14sec magnas near stock

any way 380 15.6sec

toyota tarago huh wtf? heavier than the aurion, same driveline...

14.9sec!!!!!!!!!!!! totally stock at calder

yes new tarago auto stock no mods.... 14.9!


Go and buy a Tarago then, and you can drag XR6, SV6, 380 and Aurions to your heart's content - :nuts:
All that you've proved is that the Aurion is an engine looking for a decent chassis :P

At least Mitsubishi have brought out a large FWD sedan that bucks the FWD stereotype and actually handles!

By the way, how bout you stop derailing other ppl's thread with your crap?

mozzaldinho
05-02-2008, 10:05 PM
the forums are going all camry style

need some excitment

aurion is great and the esp works well, but the non switchable traction control ruins everything (apparently can be shut off somehow)

i love the VE

i was watching vids of a ve ss with std engine just intake exh and tuning doing 12 sec 1/4's and with nothing other than a cam doing mid 11's

wow, and they look great too.... i wouldnt have a V6 one though... but then i'd never be able to afford to run the V8 and pay the tickets lol


just dont turn into disciple and compare everything to your aurion / in his case - evo.

Knotched
05-02-2008, 10:22 PM
i love the VE

i was watching vids of a ve ss with std engine just intake exh and tuning doing 12 sec 1/4's and with nothing other than a cam doing mid 11's



More crap, mate.

Cam only is a category; not an actual description of the mods.

Details are below -

Originally Posted by Wayne@GMM
11.18 @ 124 mph Cam Only

Here's all the details on Project Redbacks "Cam Only" trip to Calder Friday Feb 1st 2008

Once again the car ran full weight and as per the details below


GMM Custom TK Camshaft
Intake Manifold Stock
Fullweight VE SS with leather an airbag option ( Spare and jack removed )
Ripshift Super Street ( Track tested and proven )
GMM OTR with maf retained
Di Fillippo 1 7/8 Headers
Di Fillippo Twin 3' System
3.7 Diff Gears
Koni Suspension
GM Motorsort Custom Maf-Less Tune
Powerbond 25% Underdrive
Textralia Clutch
Pump Fuel
Power 352 rwkw ( No filter )
Alloy Drag Wheels including Front Runners
MT ET Streets DOT Approved Tyres

11.18 @ 124 mph Video


That's $8K of modifications.

Phonic
06-02-2008, 06:25 AM
More crap, mate.

Cam only is a category; not an actual description of the mods.

Details are below -

Originally Posted by Wayne@GMM
11.18 @ 124 mph Cam Only

Here's all the details on Project Redbacks "Cam Only" trip to Calder Friday Feb 1st 2008

Once again the car ran full weight and as per the details below




That's $8K of modifications.

And damn good power and times for only $8K if you ask me for an NA car, they weigh heaps too.

But I agree while AndrewD does come off on the wrong foot regarding the Aurion, it really does have an awesome engine/drivline. I've driven one many times, the power, refinement and fit n finish is better then 380(also driven), but it can't go anywhere near the 380 for handling and dynamics (haven't tried the TRD so not sure there).

andrewd
06-02-2008, 07:39 AM
the aurion meets euro 4 not 3 like the dinosaur 380

and the intake is very small

and the exhaust is very restrictive

there are reports that a filter kit and better exhaust are giving it another 15+kw




and regarding the handling

the mitsubishis have always had the edge..... the toyotas have always been a softer car


and regarding the camry thing, who cares about the differences, if you look closleyyou will see the cosmetic differences, also the aurion has a rear chassis brace...

but

it's just a V6 camry... sure and whats wrong with that.... i seem to recall a magna was just a 4cyl for many years and then we got a 6...

then they finally dropped the 4

then there was talk of a 4 for the 380

than everyone thought the 4cyl 380? lol or 240? ;) would be the 380's saviour

would you complain so much should the next camry be identical to the aurion just with a 4 not a six?

also there is 5k differencd between base models and for that you get far better looks 1 getra ratio a bigger engine and no body work is shared bar the chassis and roof pannel... but as mentoned same car.... like i have said many times who cares... the camry has wider track than the 380 any way



the auron is much more expensive than the base 380 but has a very impressive list of standard features


the main 2 being the ESP and the curtain airbags, 2 very important things the 380 will never have


im ot bagging out the 380 here i love the 380gt/vrx cand stand the lok of the others.... but it's and inferior car thats more comparible to the older crew.... the ba and Vz etc....

and as mentiod it has no unique selling point.... old tech engine and brain...now extinct....

back in the magna days there were many 1sts and good reasons to buy magnas Vs the opposition, 1st AWD more power 1st with the 5spd auto etc... the style that the holden VY immitated the better performance and economy... the std safety features.. the better level of std kit than the others


now it is dead

andrewd
06-02-2008, 07:42 AM
More crap, mate.

Cam only is a category; not an actual description of the mods.

Details are below -

Originally Posted by Wayne@GMM
11.18 @ 124 mph Cam Only

Here's all the details on Project Redbacks "Cam Only" trip to Calder Friday Feb 1st 2008

Once again the car ran full weight and as per the details below




That's $8K of modifications.

thats f all compared to everything i have done and most others to all their cars

and 11.1 is ferrari quick for peanuts


i'd have one


and phonic has a 6L and less weight so i wanna se his doing 10's :D

Blue Lightning
06-02-2008, 07:46 AM
My 2 cents worth, Any idiot can floor it in a straight line, it is how you brake and go around corners that makes the drive. :cool:

vrex
06-02-2008, 08:30 AM
Will you pick up girls with an Aurion?
We all have to keep in mind that andrewd is a lover of Valiants and italian scooters also...

seadevil
06-02-2008, 08:37 AM
yeah i must admit the girls love the sexy blue "sports" car with leather.........they dont like sunroofs though, not sure why.

I dont think i could do the same in an aurion. They just dont look as good in my opinion

Oh...and i still think the 380 in VRX form has the best sounding engine.....no other car with its standard exhaust sounds as good

Phonic
06-02-2008, 11:53 AM
and phonic has a 6L and less weight so i wanna se his doing 10's :D

Give me $8K and I'll sure damn try!! lol

andrewd
06-02-2008, 12:36 PM
Will you pick up girls with an Aurion?
We all have to keep in mind that andrewd is a lover of Valiants and italian scooters also...


hahaha how am i going to pick up any girls ina 3rd astra lol and on the back of my vespa :doubt:

lucky i got one ;)

but c'mon any base family sedan isnt going to get the girls.... except the shallow ones... hmm might get another beemer :D

Andrei1984
06-02-2008, 01:22 PM
Andrewd is right, no matter how hard it is to admit. I bought my TJ with 0's ks on it, its done nearly 200,000 best car ive ever had & back in 2001 when buying a new car it was a fairly easy choise, power, economy, i loved the looks.

380 NEEDED to be a magna when it first came out back in 96/97, head above everyone else in order to be sucessfull against new aurion & commodore. We did not quite get that with the new 380, did we? Better handling then aurion is that ALL we can say????? What about power, economy, safety, transmission or are those not important?

Im a mitsubishi fan all the way, i also have 05 mivec VRX lancer, and the new 08 VR lancer (great car), if 380 offered features similar to it i would have bought it for sure.

But unfortunately all 380 was is just a good sedan but not exellent, NOT a bad car by any means & if mitsubishi didnt have image problems (finally seems to be a thing of the past) it would have survived.

Knotched
06-02-2008, 02:19 PM
But unfortunately all 380 was is just a good sedan but not exellent, NOT a bad car by any means & if mitsubishi didnt have image problems (finally seems to be a thing of the past) it would have survived.

Yeah, I agree. But don't forget the 380 was designed from 2003 and against the older models, it did well.

I think the Aurion is a good car; but I wouldn't buy one because I value handling on a par with engine power. I would rather have bought a Ford XR6 if their quality had been better.

But Andrewd knows all this stuff, he's just come in here to stamp on the ant's nest or stick his head in the cop shop and yell "poofters!"

The Aurion will continue to develop and get better and better.

The 380 is finished, and never got the development it deserved. The owners here have something different and our modded cars will be unique.

Long Live the 380.

hy_boi
06-02-2008, 02:25 PM
I've decided in 6 months to go buy a 380,

And I work for toyota...:D

And I'm guessing that "THING" from america may be a possible replacement in jap form.

andrewd
06-02-2008, 02:36 PM
I've decided in 6 months to go buy a 380,

And I work for toyota...:D

And I'm guessing that "THING" from america may be a possible replacement in jap form.


haha you crazy dude :P

from the stripe to a BA turbo then 380 lol

wait for then new hyundai with the V8 :D

hy_boi
06-02-2008, 02:53 PM
As far as I recall you spent a **** load on supercharging a magna. enough said.

I drive Aurions all day, and yes package wise they aren't to bad for safety, equipment and power. But when you come to handling, my 95 sonata felt better on the road, The 6 speed auto is crap its so slow to do anything from driver imports, the only thing its good at is fuel consumption.

I've owned a few cars and drive a different type of car neally everyday, whether it be new, trade, POS what eva, and for you to turn around and say For the aurion handles so well and you can flog it and it doesn't understeer etc etc makes me think your yet to drive one or you haven't had a drive of very many cars at all and are a complete wank and belong better over at LS1.com or somethin.

Magtone
06-02-2008, 03:45 PM
cos the ralliart is manual goose

whats a auto ralliart do..... more than 15 sec

no atmo magna auto has done a 14 sec pass.....

I pretty sure you will find there is at least one on the 1/4 mile register...V-Rex did a 14.7 i think

FFEEkY
06-02-2008, 03:48 PM
just buy a patrol and lift it. that way when you have wanker 380 and aurion drivers on the street arguing over whose car is best, i can just run you both over :bowrofl:

Knotched
06-02-2008, 03:57 PM
I've decided in 6 months to go buy a 380,



really? :shock:

What about the 6T?

Now we're neighbors, you're welcome to give mine a drive if you're interested in how a bit of modding can change them.

hy_boi
06-02-2008, 04:10 PM
LOL keith. love it.

hy_boi
06-02-2008, 04:15 PM
the 6T is a bloody boat. Great in a straight line, but that mountain run we did not so long ago I had more confidence in the magna then I do thing thing in terms of cornering.

Phonic
07-02-2008, 06:45 AM
wank and belong better over at LS1.com or somethin.

They're not all that bad over at LS1.com......I swear:redface: .

Bain
07-02-2008, 07:14 AM
the 6T is a bloody boat. Great in a straight line, but that mountain run we did not so long ago I had more confidence in the magna then I do thing thing in terms of cornering.
I dont know how being a "bloody boat."

However, i do agree that the handling is very different. Like you, I had more confidence in the handling of my magna, although my exit speeds are faster in the ford.

Perhaps you are used to front wheel drive when going through the hills/corners.. Which plays a big difference.

hy_boi
07-02-2008, 08:21 AM
I would say that, But my rear wheel driving experience compared to FWD is greater.

But yeah the magna was great to throw in then pull out, and obivous the falcon will have greater exit speeds, just something bugs me when pushing the falcon hard which makes me nevious.

rejectofgeeks
07-02-2008, 08:48 AM
LOL, I haven't read this thread fully. But c'mon, the average family does not care what 1/4 mile time these family 6's do. They are ALL competent enough to get out of a dangerous situation / overtaking.

Bain
07-02-2008, 08:57 AM
just something bugs me when pushing the falcon hard which makes me nevious.

Agreed..


Could be how easy it is for the rear to lose its grip?

However, it still hasnt stopped me pushing the car to its limits and using some of the slip for some exit corner fun. lol

hy_boi
07-02-2008, 09:03 AM
Agreed..


Could be how easy it is for the rear to lose its grip?

However, it still hasnt stopped me pushing the car to its limits and using some of the slip for some exit corner fun. lol


HEHE true I second that.

and agreed with the bloke above,

ts3.0
07-02-2008, 09:16 AM
youre all idiots, all any family cares about is what they look like, how much room there is in it and to some extent how many features it has, and more so these days that it doesnt guzzle too much fuel, they are family cars afterall. if anyone cared that much about handling and speed theyd get the repsective sports model from their brand of preference, lets just face it, the masses didnt like 380, its over, they prefer aurion falcon and commodore and no amount of whinging or arguing is going to change that

Billy Mason PI
07-02-2008, 09:26 AM
I would say that, But my rear wheel driving experience compared to FWD is greater.

But yeah the magna was great to throw in then pull out, and obivous the falcon will have greater exit speeds, just something bugs me when pushing the falcon hard which makes me nevious.

High seating position perhaps? Articles I've read on the Falcon complain about the seat being above the cars centre of gravity, therefore affecting the drivers confidence when cornering. I guess they feel more roll and not as in tune with the car that you get with a lower seating position such as the Magna. That is, they feel like they are siting on, not in the car.

hy_boi
07-02-2008, 09:53 AM
youre all idiots, all any family cares about is what they look like, how much room there is in it and to some extent how many features it has, and more so these days that it doesnt guzzle too much fuel, they are family cars afterall. if anyone cared that much about handling and speed theyd get the repsective sports model from their brand of preference, lets just face it, the masses didnt like 380, its over, they prefer aurion falcon and commodore and no amount of whinging or arguing is going to change that


Your only 10 posts behind........

Phonic
07-02-2008, 09:57 AM
I think the security of FWD is what makes most people confident in the Magna. I'm the same with the Clubsport, I'm only just starting to explore it's limits (very slowly) as the rear end tends to come loose very easy (in relative terms), not a very familiar feeling when you're cornering fast. Having said that, allot more fun to drive, cause I haven't met one person who loves driving that doesn't like oversteer. lol

91ows
07-02-2008, 10:00 AM
youre all idiots, all any family cares about is what they look like, how much room there is in it and to some extent how many features it has, and more so these days that it doesnt guzzle too much fuel, they are family cars afterall. if anyone cared that much about handling and speed theyd get the repsective sports model from their brand of preference, lets just face it, the masses didnt like 380, its over, they prefer aurion falcon and commodore and no amount of whinging or arguing is going to change that
i have a family and i care how the car handles, and that it has something under the bonnet other than AA batteries

ts3.0
07-02-2008, 11:32 AM
i have a family and i care how the car handles, and that it has something under the bonnet other than AA batteries
if you thought about it for a second youd realise i was generalising about families as a whole, not just you, of course people care how their car handles and how good the motor is but for MOSt families there are more important things to tick off first

fencer
07-02-2008, 11:42 AM
A little bit off topic: but does anybody know how sales of the TRD S/C Aurien have gone? I haven't seen any around.

ts3.0
07-02-2008, 11:44 AM
i dunno much about them but brisbane broncos have heaps, see about 10 of them in their carpark everyday, looks like toyota gave a bunch of them to the players or management

hy_boi
07-02-2008, 11:48 AM
TRD's haven't been going that well in the private sector...government and business they're replacing all the typhoons and what not..but yeah...i think they'r 5g to much.

Btw if you want a car with batteries under the bonnet i can get you one...

FFEEkY
07-02-2008, 04:05 PM
youre all idiots, all any family cares about is what they look like, how much room there is in it and to some extent how many features it has, and more so these days that it doesnt guzzle too much fuel.....

:clap: wow, i bet those big wigs at mitsubishi are kicking themselves now!! if only they had thought of these things before!!!?? Why didnt you send them an email telling them what family's think about when buying a car...

Now i think about it, its you who is the idiot for not passing on that ever so important information to mitsubishi before now, which means that you are the downfall of mitsubishi australia.... i hope your happy. now over 900 people are out of jobs becasue you were too lazy to email mitsubishi and tell them what family's care about when buying a car.... :disgusted

ts3.0
07-02-2008, 04:09 PM
:clap: wow, i bet those big wigs at mitsubishi are kicking themselves now!! if only they had thought of these things before!!!?? Why didnt you send them an email telling them what family's think about when buying a car...

Now i think about it, its you who is the idiot for not passing on that ever so important information to mitsubishi before now, which means that you are the downfall of mitsubishi australia.... i hope your happy. now over 900 people are out of jobs becasue you were too lazy to email mitsubishi and tell them what family's care about when buying a car.... :disgusted
wow burn.... i see your smart ass point, i was more referring to all the people arguing that they just have to accept all it boils down too is sales, and sales are based off what families want in a family car, unfortunately for the masses it wasnt the 380

hy_boi
07-02-2008, 04:21 PM
The masses of sales was fleet,

small car - corolla
sedens - aurion and falcon tie pretty close
wagons - falcon
utes - hilux and falcon

See a trend.....wheres mitsu, I' say in the schemes of private buyers the 380 prob wasn't doing to bad.

n00B
08-02-2008, 11:11 PM
Now i think about it, its you who is the idiot for not passing on that ever so important information to mitsubishi before now, which means that you are the downfall of mitsubishi australia....
Let me know if I'm wrong, but my personal opinion is that Mitsubishi failed to raise its image of the 380 because of its own priorities. "Mitsubishi - home of 4WDs", "Smarter, stronger, ...etc .. lancer". For a long while the 380 only received a glancing mention. Either that or the ads were not shown for long periods - I rarely saw the ads for the Series 3 sports when those models were out.

Hell, I didn't even know the 380 existed until I checked out their web site when I had already made my mind up to get the lancer!

Compare that to aurion's aggressive marketing campaign. Latest ad shows it squaring off against its main competition (and a chopper), with the slogan that the rules of the game have changed.

In short, Mitsubishi placed a higher importance on its other range of vehicles. Public awareness of the 380 was minimal, to the point it felt like the car wasn't worth a penny and that meant sales weren't ever gonna be like hotcakes. Anyhow, 'nuff of my random banter.

Fantaysia
12-03-2008, 06:33 PM
Ok so i'm in Brisbane for work .. I can pick any car to hire for 2 weeks free so I ask for the 380. Well they didnt have any left only aurions (further proof of the 380's popularity).
Now i can safely say as a 380 driver that after driving the aurion its crap. The build quality is worse than a falcon. Its stereo has no balls and uses the whole idiot proof bass reduction when volume goes up .. could you change the stereo? unlikely. The armrest slides ... a great idea until the mechanism (build quality again) fails to lock the armrest in place and it slides back and forth as you accellerate. It has rust on it lol The window seal at the back is failing (similar to the 380's i know). Interior space my god i swear a corolla has a bigger interior. Its soooooo cramped in there its not funny. The one good thing ... it has slightly more pickup than the 380 due to obvious higher killer wasps.

So as a 380 owner, haven driven an Aurion I can safely say its just a spec'd up Camry with crap build quality.

/end rant

JarRah
12-03-2008, 07:44 PM
YEa dunno if this has come up, lots of rants i this thread that i can't be bothered to read but anywho

I was reading a Wheels today and everything Ive read so far on the 380/Falcon/Commo is pretty much par with what Wheels reckons save that despite having the best 0-100 times the Aurion has a heavy front causing it to handle like a dizzy child in a corner. Not my opinion just repeating what I read.

Knotched
13-03-2008, 05:40 PM
Ok so i'm in Brisbane for work .. I can pick any car to hire for 2 weeks free so I ask for the 380. Well they didnt have any left only aurions (further proof of the 380's popularity).

/end rant

I drove out of the airport today (where I work) and saw a black 380 up the road. Latched onto its tail and was checking it out and while that was happening I got passed by 3 silver VRXs and two other 380s; the most I've ever seen at once :shock: Most were hire cars I think. One was a series 3 with the wing which didn't look too bad, although I'm not a fan of wings.
The rear and side profile of the 380 definitely is aging well - looks quite distinctive amongst other models.

Foozrcool
17-03-2008, 06:08 AM
My girlfriend has just bought an Aurion Presara (top of the range). I drove it last weekend & these are my opinions .... being top of the range it has everything that you could ever think of having in a car plus more, good value for money feature wise. The sound system in this model may be better than the base models as I thought it was quite good. Dash layout quite good but the door trims are crap (don't tell her I said that)!

Driving wise it has quite a bit of get up & go but no were near the pull of my 380 for obvious reasons since I probably have about another 20kw plus a bucket load more torque. Seems to run out of puff up top but hey I'm comparing it to mine! The tiptronic auto is a total waste of time as it has a mind of its own, I would recommend leaving it in drive. Seemed to handle ok for a stock car & very quiet.

I still prefer the 380 over the Aurion.

Fantaysia
17-03-2008, 09:11 AM
.... being top of the range it has everything that you could ever think of having in a car plus more, good value for money feature wise. The sound system in this model may be better than the base models as I thought it was quite good.

Man I would hope so ... the base model rental I have is bloody shocking!

FFEEkY
17-03-2008, 08:04 PM
.........The tiptronic auto is a total waste of time as it has a mind of its own, I would recommend leaving it in drive........

Its not tiptronic.... its a six speed auto with electronic selection. It works like a normal auto, where when you put it in 3, 3rd is the highest gear the gearbox will use. It will still kick back, and will hold revs until redline if provoked, because it is not tiptronic. it wont change by moving the lever.

Foozrcool
17-03-2008, 09:01 PM
Its not tiptronic.... its a six speed auto with electronic selection. It works like a normal auto, where when you put it in 3, 3rd is the highest gear the gearbox will use. It will still kick back, and will hold revs until redline if provoked, because it is not tiptronic. it wont change by moving the lever.
Well what a stupid fn idea that is .... oh what a feeling!

Fantaysia
18-03-2008, 07:40 AM
... It will still kick back, and will hold revs until redline if provoked, because it is not tiptronic. it wont change by moving the lever.
The Aurion hire POS I have you move the lever across and select any gear you want by moving the lever the same as my 380 ??? It changes up and down to what ever gear you want, when you want.

Neosaber
18-03-2008, 02:49 PM
funniest thread ever...

you should all compare baby seats and see who has the fastest time to pick the kids up from school and do the grocery shopping

Type40
18-03-2008, 02:59 PM
funniest thread ever...

you should all compare baby seats and see who has the fastest time to pick the kids up from school and do the grocery shopping
Ohh... That would be a toss up between Knotched and Foozrcool! Not sure who would win... Maybe we should run a book! lol

Knotched
18-03-2008, 05:23 PM
funniest thread ever...

you should all compare baby seats and see who has the fastest time to pick the kids up from school and do the grocery shopping

Troll.

We got rid of the one who started this thread.

Whassamatta? Didn't like what was posted re a Toyota?

Pretty rich from a non - Magna/380 owner.

:upyours:

Blue 380
18-03-2008, 05:34 PM
funniest thread ever...

you should all compare baby seats and see who has the fastest time to pick the kids up from school and do the grocery shopping
Although the guy that started this thread was an idiot and is fortunately long gone, it is a thread about the 380 compared to Aurion/Falcon/Commodore's & thats exactly what most of the guys on here are posting.....their own views on Aurions & 380's.

Type40
18-03-2008, 05:43 PM
Troll.

We got rid of the one who started this thread.

Whassamatta? Didn't like what was posted re a Toyota?

Pretty rich from a non - Magna/380 owner.

:upyours:
Oh you antagonist you! lol So... Should we run a book???

Fantaysia
18-03-2008, 06:54 PM
Troll.

We got rid of the one who started this thread.

Whassamatta? Didn't like what was posted re a Toyota?

Pretty rich from a non - Magna/380 owner.

:upyours:
lol yeah truth hurts people :P

ts3.0
18-03-2008, 08:13 PM
truth? seems like alot of biased opinions being thrown around, not that im taking sides, just looking at things realistically

Knotched
18-03-2008, 08:33 PM
truth? seems like alot of biased opinions being thrown around, not that im taking sides, just looking at things realistically

Everyone has a biased opinion.

This is mine;


I think the Aurion is a good car; but I wouldn't buy one because I value handling on a par with engine power. I would rather have bought a Ford XR6 if their quality had been better.

Others who have driven both think otherwise.

The point is, I don't go into the 3rd gen or 2nd gen sections and post crap or troll. I respect their choice and support them as part of our community.

ts3.0
18-03-2008, 08:37 PM
thats a fair call, i wasnt actually singling anyone out, it just seems what some people call the "truth" is really just an opinion, and from a 380 owner to call an aurion "crap" is what i call biased. if you see that valid observation as trolling than so be it. once again im not taking any sides, just pointing out a simple fact.

i definately support 380 owners, its the last of mitsubishis large fwd cars, and is now finished so i think that seeing owners that keep them and enjoy them on here is a great thing. ive never actually driven or riden in a 380 or aurion so once again im passing no judgements

Knotched
18-03-2008, 08:44 PM
I agree with you re being biased but that's human nature. Since this is a Mitsu site everyone should be forgiven - the Ford Forums would be the same and I'd expect that. Hell, I'd expect Ford owners to die for the Blue Oval!

Trolling I was referring to "babyseats" etc.

ts3.0
18-03-2008, 08:48 PM
yeah no worries dude, of course people are going to be biased, i just dont like seeing a good car getting bashed for no warranted reason, 380 included

Knotched
19-03-2008, 04:22 AM
Well, if some here have driven both cars (which I haven't), I have to accept their opinion based on their experience.

Fantaysia
19-03-2008, 08:29 AM
Well, if some here have driven both cars (which I haven't), I have to accept their opinion based on their experience.
Yup, my threads started off as speculation and bias .. but now I've spent 2 weeks in an Aurion and own a 380.