Ok, manifold final design is 90% machined, just need to drill and tap the ancillary holes.

Had a run against Screaming TE's TJ manual which is essentially bog-stock and my AWD with manifold and extractors can keep up with him - I can't reel him in but he can't get away. From the lights I would have the traction advantage but we weren't able to get a useful traffic situation :(

Points of interest:

The AWD is 2-300kg heavier than the FWD.
AWD is 5spd Auto
AWD has a large power drain needing to turn all the drivetrain.

Verdict: I'm pretty chuffed about how my AWD ran.

The manifold on my car is almost identical to the Final Design, except the final design has better runner union for improved flow and hence I suspect power/torque will be available upto 500rpm earlier!

I wont have the internet on until late this wk (I'm on a friends pc atm) so I will be easier to contact then.

sweet looking forward to this cant wait.

i have seen the new manifold and it looks HOT. Cant wait to see a dynograph on it. :drool:

Mitsubishi Club Australia / Newcastle Magna Club Dyno Day Sunday 13th July 2008 Results

We made more power than the previous version which was surprising given the porous casting and subsequent hole. The hole effected afrs with a terribly lean 15:1 in the low rpm. Naturally I am taking this matter up with the foundary :rant:

We drilled the hole out today and it was considerable once the surface nail-head sized hole was excavated. A pocket extended into the #1 runner. Liquid metal has been applied and I will inspect it tomorrow to ensure it's test-worthiness. Funny how it looked like nothing initially. Oh well.

We will be taking the car back to Blacktrack where the 1st dyno inc the baseline was performed and re-run asap.

I hope people appreciate the transparency of this project - rest assured I'd rather be reporting brighter news. I suppose it was good to know peak kw had increased despite:
a) Unmetered air entering cylinder 1
b) Resultant lean afrs

My AWD managed 114.7kw at all 4 treads with almost the same manifold fitted. I understand the stock AWDs make 100-105 atw. By that math (1/3 loss) there is now a peak figure in the range of 170kw at the fly. The 114.7 was without a tune (I had the Moristech blanked off), with stock cams, HFTB, K&N Panel, Hurricane extractors, 2.5" catback into dual 2" rears. I should've cleaned the filter since it's been a while.

The new manifold (yes the one with the little hole) has a much better runner union to improve flow and improve low and mid torque even further. I will post my dyno sheet up as soon as I get the rpm emailed to me from Hunter Dyno. The printout shows kph, despite the screen showing rpm :(

I'm happy with my result pre-tune because I've made gains in the areas I wanted which is the mid and low end torque. Peak power barely concerns me because I don't go to the pub to talk about it. Afrs were pretty good which clearly demonstrates the stock ecus ability to cope with the manifold. I suspect some timing adjustment between 1500 and 3500 will eliminate the flat spot all together along with some 95ron.

so how long until these bad boys are ready for us to buy? :D

...I hope people appreciate the transparency of this project...Sure do.
It's an eye opener and great insight into the trials of development. ...and i can only guess we are only seeing some of it and not the hours of running around, research, discussions and design work/decisions you've had to make.

Here are some other results from the day.

Peak power barely concerns me because I don't go to the pub to talk about it.
I suspect some timing adjustment between 1500 and 3500 will eliminate the flat spot all together along with some 95ron.


Heh, too true! But also, lack of high end revs will steal that Peak Power. Especially in 3 L donks. Soo, if not Pub, do u talk about it at Bowls Clubs....? :D

Timing adjustment or utilising 95 RON requires "chip". Suggestions?

Heh, too true! But also, lack of high end revs will steal that Peak Power. Especially in 3 L donks. Soo, if not Pub, do u talk about it at Bowls Clubs....? :D

Timing adjustment or utilising 95 RON requires "chip". Suggestions?

Been talk of making some Keyway camgears to advance the timing, but seen it and heared it on Ians car sounds wicked, awesome whistle at idle and accelarating.

Been talk of making some Keyway camgears to advance the timing, but seen it and heared it on Ians car sounds wicked, awesome whistle at idle and accelarating.
lol whistle was probably from the hole

lol whistle was probably from the hole

no this was before the hole come up

lol whistle was probably from the hole

Different manifold.

Heh, too true! But also, lack of high end revs will steal that Peak Power. Especially in 3 L donks. Soo, if not Pub, do u talk about it at Bowls Clubs....? :D

Timing adjustment or utilising 95 RON requires "chip". Suggestions?

Yep the old torque x hp x rpm x 5252 yadda yadda yadda. In short the more torque made at higher rpm, the higher the peak hp figure.

I do most of my trash talking on Falcon and Commodore forums :shifty:


I am running aftermarket management in the form of a Moristech Pro Sequencial, it's part of my Raptor kit, there's some info in the Raptor thread. My dyno showed some extra fuel being needed, I think the fuel rail spacers I have installed (not Barry's, one's I turned up on the lathe to do the same deal) have contributed to the lean full-throttle AFRs. I have added some fuel today at part throttle and 3/4+ throttle along with some timing and it has made a HUGE difference to the now dead 'dead-spot' along with more top end pull. I'm also now running 95RON.

I would like to pop it on a dyno and tune correctly before the Raptor kit is on but I think I'll run out of time, wont I Tim?? ;)

Wow that really is lean eh... nice figures for 4 wheels tho. Add that fuel like ya said and make thing a little safer. I would be thinking that anyone getting this plenum is really going to need a piggyback of some sort to save the engine from leaning out.

I would be thinking that anyone getting this plenum is really going to need a piggyback of some sort to save the engine from leaning out.

How do you reckon it'll go with LPG, injection system, with it's own computer? I believe the fuel/air ratio can be adjusted.

Yep the old torque x hp x rpm x 5252 yadda yadda yadda. In short the more torque made at higher rpm, the higher the peak hp figure.

I do most of my trash talking on Falcon and Commodore forums :shifty:


I am running aftermarket management in the form of a Moristech Pro Sequencial, it's part of my Raptor kit, there's some info in the Raptor thread. My dyno showed some extra fuel being needed, I think the fuel rail spacers I have installed (not Barry's, one's I turned up on the lathe to do the same deal) have contributed to the lean full-throttle AFRs. I have added some fuel today at part throttle and 3/4+ throttle along with some timing and it has made a HUGE difference to the now dead 'dead-spot' along with more top end pull. I'm also now running 95RON.

I would like to pop it on a dyno and tune correctly before the Raptor kit is on but I think I'll run out of time, wont I Tim?? ;)

Hi EZ Boy

Even with using your own fuel rail 'spacers' I doubt that they would actually contribute to lean AFR's especially at full-throttle

Just having extractors and low restriction exhaust is enough to require extra ECU management

Of course in the case of N/A engines my 'fuel rail temp tuning kit' will remove the 'flat spot' normally encountered when fitting hi-flow air filters and sports exhausts

It does this by raising the temp of the fuel just enough to improve the A/F ratio, without adding more raw fuel (and it works well with unleaded fuel)

Cheers, Barry

Wow that really is lean eh... nice figures for 4 wheels tho. Add that fuel like ya said and make thing a little safer. I would be thinking that anyone getting this plenum is really going to need a piggyback of some sort to save the engine from leaning out.

I wouldnt say its really lean.

I map my magnas ECU to run around the 12.5-13 AFR's at WOT and have never ever had any issues with it. I used these AFR's on both my hi output engine and on my old stocker that was in the car at the AMC dyno day in 2006.

If it was a boosted application then id aim for around 11-11.5 AFR's to help with cylinder cooling etc.

but I think I'll run out of time, wont I Tim?? ;)

Not so fast, Al, we'll get there - wwoohohohohoooooooooooo. :P

Yeps, bit of aftermarket tuning helps. It's obvious this device of yours breaths well, better than a feisty dragon from h3ll in fact. Hence to get the best out of it, one might need to resort to ECU tweaking.
My concern is - is it gonna lean and kill the donk if used with std ECU and exhaust mods!
Yeah Barry, those spacers wouldn't make any diff at TB openings more than what Granpa uses on the way to Sunday Church.

I wouldnt say its really lean.

I map my magnas ECU to run around the 12.5-13 AFR's at WOT and have never ever had any issues with it. I used these AFR's on both my hi output engine and on my old stocker that was in the car at the AMC dyno day in 2006.

If it was a boosted application then id aim for around 11-11.5 AFR's to help with cylinder cooling etc.


Hey Jase,

Just outof curiosity.....what did you do to your heads to achice thef ow rate of 650hp???


not knockin, just tryin to save a couple of magna brothers some $$.

Chris

Hey Jase,

Just outof curiosity.....what did you do to your heads to achice thef ow rate of 650hp???


not knockin, just tryin to save a couple of magna brothers some $$.

Chris

A fair amount (lots) of port and chamber work (I'll give ya some more info via PM or msn). I can also give you the name of a good engine builder whos done a few sets of magna heads (he builds alot of drift engines) He also did the heads on a turboed TH sports over here in SA

As a note my current heads started off as bare ralliart castings which i bought brand new. Stock as a rock the heads flowed just under 370hp@500thou lift which is pretty good for a stock SOHC V6 head.

Ok, manifold is on-car (BJ31OS 3L Auto) and am waiting for more feedback prior to dyno-run. As a side note, my AWD with manifold and extractors laid down 114.7kwatw which is up 10kw on other AWDs with just extractors - of interest too was that peak power was now 400rpm lower than stock. With my Moristech I have added some fuel and timing with 98ron and the car feels a million bux better than it's 114.7 run, even the mrs noticed :shock: Fuel econ as also improved with the half-tune. I'd like to get a proper tune done to demonstrate the potential firstly of the manifold (naturally) but secondly of the benefit to the natch asp 3.5L in general. My flat-spot is much livelier and the car is nice and cruisy at low rpm.

Interesting times ahead....

i cant wait until this is released and i can get my hand on some spare cash! is there pics of the new manifold, does it look standard? doesnt bother me to much.

I'm liking this a lot.

Hi boys

I will be giving EZ boy some updates tomorrow night didn't get to drive it much today as i was a bit busy but will be giving it hell tomorrow so keep your eyes peeled for the updates.

Lets hope it works well on my new engine, dont need anymore topend but some extra midrange would be the icing on the cake :cool:

A fair amount (lots) of port and chamber work (I'll give ya some more info via PM or msn). I can also give you the name of a good engine builder whos done a few sets of magna heads (he builds alot of drift engines) He also did the heads on a turboed TH sports over here in SA

As a note my current heads started off as bare ralliart castings which i bought brand new. Stock as a rock the heads flowed just under 370hp@500thou lift which is pretty good for a stock SOHC V6 head.

can u send me this info as well?

Hi All

well have a little update for you all didn't get to give it a big work out today as i has been poring rain all day but did give it a bit at the start of the day and this manifold is awesome it pulls constantly.

My car would never go over red line 6,000 RPM but with this manifold i can get it to go to around 6,500 RPM and it pulls the whole way, this is in D bye the way not manual shifting and continues to pull through out the rev range in every gear and in fourth when i put my foot down (not enough to make it kick back gears but enough to get it moving) you can really feel the difference it definatley (? spelling) gains speed quicker with this manifold on (my wife will vouch for this as she repeatedly told me to slow down please) Will have more updates through the week. (hopefully it stops raining)

Brilliant. Definitely need one of these then, I hate that the power just disappears out the back to smoke a cone at 5500rpm.

Brilliant. Definitely need one of these then, I hate that the power just disappears out the back to smoke a cone at 5500rpm.

Not trying to take away from this product, but, that lack of power over 5500rpm or so isnt casued solely by the manifold, but rather the cam profile in our cars.

Theres been alot of development, research and heartache thats gone into this project, and I hope the end results are good. However, I would predict the gains would be more midrange, rather than topend. I just dont believe the manifold is the biggest restriction in our engines, particulary when there almost stock.

I just dont believe the manifold is the biggest restriction in our engines, particulary when there almost stock.


are you referrring to the manifolds being almost stock or the engines?? Cos believe me, these manifolds are nowhere near stock.

are you referrring to the manifolds being almost stock or the engines?? Cos believe me, these manifolds are nowhere near stock.
Pretty sure he means the engines mate.

However, I would predict the gains would be more midrange, rather than topend.

...I'm pretty sure that's where he was hoping to get the gains.




I'm happy with my result pre-tune because I've made gains in the areas I wanted which is the mid and low end torque. Peak power barely concerns me because I don't go to the pub to talk about it.

...I'm pretty sure that's where he was hoping to get the gains.

Yes, thats fine. I was never having a dig at the new manifold, or saying it was crap. I was just stating my opinion, based on research regarding our engines.

That said, I do hope deep down that these things to increase topend power, because then I would get one for sure.

That said, an increase in midrange power, with no expense of topend power is just as good :)

Waiting to see before and after dyno results on both an untuned motor, and a tuned one

Originally conceived for my AWD, poor gearing, flat spot, sluggish and heavy. The requirement was to improve low and midrange torque to make the car more responsive, improve acceleration and make the car more pleasurable to drive from point to point WITHOUT hurting fuel economy.

Without some cam work the top end is going to be strangled for sure, be keen to see this manifold on a cam with more overlap and duration.

I would like to get a tune done on my AWD before the Raptor kit arrives, there are certainly a lot of ponies to be gained from a tune. The manifold (prev proto) on it's own made a very nice improvement to my AWDs low and mid, but adding some fuel and timing in spots has made a different car again. That's just tuning by the seat of my pants and with conservation (read: "piston conservation") on my side.

The idea has been put to me that I should support the Moristech ECU along with a tune specific to my manifold for other members wanting to take the next steps with their Magnas. I will post a poll after I get some more data together from the current proto on BJ31OS' ride in the next 7days. :D

Originally conceived for my AWD, poor gearing, flat spot, sluggish and heavy. The requirement was to improve low and midrange torque to make the car more responsive, improve acceleration and make the car more pleasurable to drive from point to point WITHOUT hurting fuel economy.

Without some cam work the top end is going to be strangled for sure, be keen to see this manifold on a cam with more overlap and duration.

I would like to get a tune done on my AWD before the Raptor kit arrives, there are certainly a lot of ponies to be gained from a tune. The manifold (prev proto) on it's own made a very nice improvement to my AWDs low and mid, but adding some fuel and timing in spots has made a different car again. That's just tuning by the seat of my pants and with conservation (read: "piston conservation") on my side.

The idea has been put to me that I should support the Moristech ECU along with a tune specific to my manifold for other members wanting to take the next steps with their Magnas. I will post a poll after I get some more data together from the current proto on BJ31OS' ride in the next 7days. :D

Good to see you openly admit the goals of the manfold.I just think theres a few guys who seems to think manifold is going to turn their NA magna into a v8 beating machine.

So your getting the raptor kit ?

Ive sent a few pms about this to the so called organisers, with no reply. I was very interested in getting one of these.Perhaps you could point me in the right direction ?

Originally conceived for my AWD, poor gearing, flat spot, sluggish and heavy. The requirement was to improve low and midrange torque to make the car more responsive, improve acceleration and make the car more pleasurable to drive from point to point WITHOUT hurting fuel economy.

Without some cam work the top end is going to be strangled for sure, be keen to see this manifold on a cam with more overlap and duration.



Well Ian get mine ready and i will be able to show ya what it works like on a engine with some nice mild 300deg duration cams :badgrin:

Not trying to take away from this product, but, that lack of power over 5500rpm or so isnt casued solely by the manifold, but rather the cam profile in our cars.
Theres been alot of development, research and heartache thats gone into this project, and I hope the end results are good. However, I would predict the gains would be more midrange, rather than topend. I just dont believe the manifold is the biggest restriction in our engines, particulary when there almost stock.Cams will follow if I do this, I mostly agree with you.

Well Ian get mine ready and i will be able to show ya what it works like on a engine with some nice mild 300deg duration cams :badgrin:

Nice and Mild...lol I love it.

Good to see you openly admit the goals of the manfold.I just think theres a few guys who seems to think manifold is going to turn their NA magna into a v8 beating machine.

Yep for sure, but it's a good step towards that goal. Mind you they should be scaring the pants off (or touching up) any 5L they brush up against - otherwise they're not driving it properly ;)


So your getting the raptor kit ?

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Ive sent a few pms about this to the so called organisers, with no reply. I was very interested in getting one of these.Perhaps you could point me in the right direction ?

Delays with the production line, not Raptor's fault as the engineering is outsourced which is where the delay is atm. That is expected to be resolved end of next wk or so. There is some complex engineering that needs to be done in a fashion that is reproduceable and can be warrantied - to that end I'm happy to wait a touch longer for the sake of reliability.

An email to Tim at Raptor should get some feedback, but following the thread for now will keep you abreast of the situation.

Yep for sure, but it's a good step towards that goal. Mind you they should be scaring the pants off (or touching up) any 5L they brush up against - otherwise they're not driving it properly ;)



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Delays with the production line, not Raptor's fault as the engineering is outsourced which is where the delay is atm. That is expected to be resolved end of next wk or so. There is some complex engineering that needs to be done in a fashion that is reproduceable and can be warrantied - to that end I'm happy to wait a touch longer for the sake of reliability.

An email to Tim at Raptor should get some feedback, but following the thread for now will keep you abreast of the situation.

Ill send an email off tonight. I thought perhaps the plan was cancelled, but thankfully it isnt

Dyno scheduled for this Friday 4pm at secret test track

Dyno scheduled for this Friday 4pm at secret test track

shotgun being there PM me the address!

shotgun being there PM me the address!


Pm sent Magna00


Really looking forward to this as this manifold feels so awesome to drive

damn it, wish i could be there but my boss is riding me somethin chronic!!!:D

damn it, wish i could be there but my boss is riding me somethin chronic!!!:D

Your boss sux!! :bowrofl:

Sheesh Ian is taking his time to post up the results, i know what they are but i aint telling :P all im going to say is its awesome

Sorry peoples, family first, my other family second ;)

Here's the todays dyno and the overlay from the OEM manifold compiled on an Excel spreadsheet:

I'll post up a discussion later. In short, we made good midrange and low rpm gains while IMPROVING top end as well. Solid all-round performance. The dyno operator was also impressed, noting how hard it is to squeeze every extra kw out a small natch motor - esp one mated to an auto tranny.

nice gains through out the rev range :)
were both runs done on the same car?

nice gains through out the rev range :)
were both runs done on the same car?

Yep, same car, same setup and same tyre pressure both times, on the same dyno.

it works out around 8kw atw better with a nice big gob of torque thrown in, and it will scale higher with other mods aka interceptors/piggybacks CAI's and so on with the next couple of mods planned and about to happen on Brads car we should see it making 120+ atw, which isnt bad for a 3l with a dogbox behind it.

WELL :

I'm defiantly happy with the results it has taken a few attempts and a little bit of heart ache but EZ boy finally did it a manifold that kicks a r s e.:D

The only thing i can say for people who are looking at buying one of these is BUY ONE they are the best mod for an N/A car not just because it gives you more ATWKW but the overall feel of the car its amazing it transforms the engine, it feels alot smoother and the power comes on so smooth and it pulls and pulls.

And lastly I would like to thank EZ boy for all his effort that has gone into this manifold and letting me be the test pilot.:D

Cheers Brad

Awesome, excellent work! Now all we need is a 380 version :D

where do i sign up for one of these bad boys??

well done mate. saving penny's now lol

where do i sign up for one of these bad boys??

PM EZ boy and he will forward you the details

Interesting gains. What I find most intersting is just how different it is to the stock power curve, ie, at some points the new manifold has 2km more power, then 500rpm up, this power jumps to 5kw. Looks like the stock manifold was a werid item, lol.

Is it possible to redyno the car with, and without the manifold on the same day, only a few minutes apart.

Its possible that the dyno readings could be out due to the different conditions on the day. This could mean your Manifold might make even more power than you thought.

It is probably a good spend to guarintee, and ensure everyone here that the manifold does make much better power.

Im also intereted to compare the two AFRS from a stock computer with and without the manifold

Interesting gains. What I find most intersting is just how different it is to the stock power curve, ie, at some points the new manifold has 2km more power, then 500rpm up, this power jumps to 5kw. Looks like the stock manifold was a werid item, lol.

Is it possible to redyno the car with, and without the manifold on the same day, only a few minutes apart.

Its possible that the dyno readings could be out due to the different conditions on the day. This could mean your Manifold might make even more power than you thought.

It is probably a good spend to guarintee, and ensure everyone here that the manifold does make much better power.

Im also intereted to compare the two AFRS from a stock computer with and without the manifold

We did that previously but because you have nearly no time between runs we rushed it and lost power, The AFR's where within 0.3 of each other we have the dyno sheets for both, starts at around 13ish then goes down to 12.2ish at 6k rpm. Even back to back dyno runs on the same day can turn out different figures due to temp of the motor, at the end of the day it made 8kw overall plus a big change to the way the power is delievered and at what rpm it comes on at. Also being that the stock ECU "learns" within its pre designed limits doing back to back will probably not gain anything more if anything it will probably lose power because of it.

ok, fair enough.

How about some quarter mile trap speeds, we all know that they can not lie.

Good stuff Ian, looks like you are finally getting the sort of results you were hoping for :)

Out of curiousity how much larger is the cross-section area of the runners in the current version, compared to the older one that seemed to be restricting top-end power?



We did that previously but because you have nearly no time between runs we rushed it and lost power, The AFR's where within 0.3 of each other we have the dyno sheets for both, starts at around 13ish then goes down to 12.2ish at 6k rpm. Even back to back dyno runs on the same day can turn out different figures due to temp of the motor, at the end of the day it made 8kw overall plus a big change to the way the power is delievered and at what rpm it comes on at. Also being that the stock ECU "learns" within its pre designed limits doing back to back will probably not gain anything more if anything it will probably lose power because of it.

I have to agree with Ar3nbe, IMO it makes no sense to put so much RnD into this, and then not go that little but further to do back-to-back runs on the same dyno. This will eliminate the possibility of variance between days, and give a 100% definitive result - something that is almost never provided in the aftermarket, and will make this product something really special. Thats my 2c anyway.

When my car was the test mule, Ian and I had no problem doing back-to-back runs on the same day, it was a bit time-consuming, but by no means undoable.

I don't see why time would be an issue, IMO an hour between runs is PLENTY of time to let the car cool down sufficiently, My own experience supports this. And I'm not convinced NA motors suffer from much "heat soak" much anyway.

I keep hearing people talking about the ECU "learning", but can someone actually shed some light on exactly what these paramaters that are being "learnt" actually are? I'm happy to admit by knowledge of the magna ECU isn't comprehensive, but to be honest this so-called learning sounds like an old wive's tale to me - no one has ever shed any light on what the ECU is actually learning.

AFAIK the only parameters that are "learnable" are to with idle, or in the case of an auto, shift points/firmness.

I certainly don't mind being shown wrong though, always interested to learn something new.

The main problem is the dyno place is that hard to get into as they have alot of work it took me and Ian many phone calls and visit just to get this run done and it took over 2 weeks to get them to do it.

and i also feel this gives 100% results as i have dynoed 3 manifolds all with up and down results + Ian and myself made sure everything was exactly the same as previous Dyno runs.

Ok so before i get excited and start saving, what does this thing look like?

The only thing stopping me from modding my engine is insurance, how easy would it be to pass this thing off as stock? Just from looking at it and also from a mechanics point of view?

Kieran

Excellent results guys! I'm now hanging to see what it'll to on a Magna with cam work!!


And I'm not convinced NA motors suffer from much "heat soak" much anyway.

LS1/2 equipped Commos/HSV's have always suffered from heat soak on repeated Dyno runs.

Ok so before i get excited and start saving, what does this thing look like?

The only thing stopping me from modding my engine is insurance, how easy would it be to pass this thing off as stock? Just from looking at it and also from a mechanics point of view?

Kieran

it looks resonably stock to the untrained eye, its the same style but is just larger.
Also in regards to heatsoak, this manifold has that much meat to it that it is a giant heatsink, takes hours for it to cool down, unlike the standard one.

Ok so before i get excited and start saving, what does this thing look like?

The only thing stopping me from modding my engine is insurance, how easy would it be to pass this thing off as stock? Just from looking at it and also from a mechanics point of view?

Kieran

Here are some photos of it fitted Police / insurance wouldn't even notice the difference unless the look very hard + i just had my car pink slipped and got insurance and they didnt say a thing.

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4264/09082008045hw3.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3066/09082008048vs3.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/7921/09082008047ej4.jpg

Excellent results guys! I'm now hanging to see what it'll to on a Magna with cam work!!.


you wont have to wait long im booked in on the 20th to get 256 duration cams fitted

Here are some photos of it fitted Police / insurance wouldn't even notice the difference unless the look very hard + i just had my car pink slipped and got insurance and they didnt say a thing.


Cheers for that mate, looks the goods i reckon. Im still a bit iffy about modding anything and not telling insurance but if i change my mind i will definatley give EZboy a call.

Kieran

Cheers for that mate, looks the goods i reckon. Im still a bit iffy about modding anything and not telling insurance but if i change my mind i will definatley give EZboy a call.

Kieran


Even if you tell your insurance company it shouldn't make a difference to cost/payout if you crash im with NRMA and i told them and it hasn't changed anything.

Even if you tell your insurance company it shouldn't make a difference to cost/payout if you crash im with NRMA and i told them and it hasn't changed anything.

I rang and asked my insurance company (AAMI FTR) how much my premium would be if i did any modifications. They said 'It will be free' i said 'huh' they said 'yeah we wont insure you' Got a quote from Just Cars; two and a half times what im paying now. No thanks lol

I rang and asked my insurance company (AAMI FTR) how much my premium would be if i did any modifications. They said 'It will be free' i said 'huh' they said 'yeah we wont insure you' Got a quote from Just Cars; two and a half times what im paying now. No thanks lol

thats interesting as im with AAMI as well, i listed my blower 2.5k worth of rims, and other odds and ends with the full agreed value of 16k and only costs me 988 a year with normal excess, and im 19 btw. You can get away with a manifold unless the assessor knows magnas back to front they wont know, you just neglect to tell them.

thats interesting as im with AAMI as well, i listed my blower 2.5k worth of rims, and other odds and ends with the full agreed value of 16k and only costs me 988 a year with normal excess, and im 19 btw. You can get away with a manifold unless the assessor knows magnas back to front they wont know, you just neglect to tell them.

hmmmm :think: may have to give AAMI a call on monday, that is very interesting.

Thanks mate.

Damn to the untrained eye it looks Original Equipment. and its not going to be the cause of a crash. Just plead ignorant and say it came like that.:nuts:

Re insurance duty of disclosure its on everyones policy. If something happens and they suss out the car they will basically piss in your pocket.
Been there done that took me three years to settle a claim with an insurance co and lots of legal costs. We came to an agreement in the end but i will still out of pocket fighting them aka legal costs. Learnt my lesson 20 years ago lol...
Any mods let them know how big or small. Last thing you want is too loose a load of moula if your car is written off or stolen because you didnt tell them about your mods.
Play it safe most insurance co's come to the party with mods. If not look elsewhere.

Regards

Great result on the manifold enjoy..

thats interesting as im with AAMI as well, i listed my blower 2.5k worth of rims, and other odds and ends with the full agreed value of 16k and only costs me 988 a year with normal excess, and im 19 btw. You can get away with a manifold unless the assessor knows magnas back to front they wont know, you just neglect to tell them.
Same experience here. I'm with Shannons. And not only have I told em everything that's on the car (RPW manifold included), the standard line I get when I call in the latest mod is 'nice. So what's next. Whay haven't you done heads? What about cams? Considered a supercharger?' etc. Amazing. And Magna00,when you're old like me you get all this for less than $600/year :badgrin:

GIO covers every mod I make and they're still cheaper than every other place I shop them.

Ok, as I keep saying "peak figure is not my concern" and that stands. It's nice that peak improved, it was an area I worked on by improving effiencies in the runner union and increasing the runner diameters. The lower flange port diameter is 1/3 larger than previous versions.

It's fine for people to shrug at the results, clearly they don't understand the relationship between torque, rpm and power output. The low and mid rpm gains are due to a huge increase in torque in those rpm zones, high rpm power requires less torque because high rpm figures boost that function in the power equation. The fact that Justin at Blacktrack was very complimentary about the results was a great sign. He stressed the difficulties in making gains on natch asp motors without tuning. Additionally he stated that you can spend a few $1000 and hrs on a dyno tuning an XR8 and only gain 15kw at peak! To get those gains on an XR6T would require less than 0.5psi and 1hr tuning. Boost is just better for power. Anyways...

The manifold has met its design criteria: to increase low and mid range torque as well as part throttle power.

QUESTION: Can I install it on it's own or should I get a piggyback too.

ANSWER: The car was dyno'd without a tune and running 91ron. Clearly strong and noticeable gains are available for untuned vehicles. BUT there is excellent scope for applying aftermarket management and running a higher octane fuel. Higher octane, more spark advance, more power. Fact.

It would be very possible to exceed these gains by 50-150% over the shown margin between the 2 manifolds esp on the 3.5L motors which use more air and would hence be able to obtain higher volumetric efficiencies at lower rpm than the 3L - making the 3.5L much torquier indeed.

I am aiming to have my awd tuned soon with the previous manifold on - even without a tune my AWD has put down 114.7 peak at the treads though a 5speed autobox. That's at ALL 4 treads btw. The difference between my quick tune while driving (un-dynod) and the untuned mode is significant.

The small bit of tuning I've done has added some more fuel in areas and more advance too. The car is crisp and responsive at ALL rpm esp part throttle in mid range rpm 3000-4500. Low range rpm has plenty of torque and the car is effortless to drive. It drives like a car with a larger motor, call it a sort of sports/cruiser if you want. Can just cruise around all day not raising a sweat or hit the gas and it's 'point and destroy time'.

There are 2x prepaid orders that I will fill and those customers can post up their own experiences. Both these cars are 3.5s.

The number 1 plated manifold is still being donated to AMC for fundraising and that competition will be open as soon as details are finalised with AMC Mmt.

I will be making 2 minor cosmetic adjustments to the mould and then casting 4-5 to get the ball rolling.

Pricing etc will be posted in a separate thread as soon as I can revisit my costings (since it's been so damn long since the conception of this project to fruit), I do expect it to be close to $800 or sub $800. Finger crossed :cool:

Sorry for the big post but:

SPECIAL THANKS

Super THANKS to Schnell, without him this project would just be another 'gunna' or 'wanna' thread. Now it's REAL and in the flesh. Thanks Martin!

A big thanks to Brad and Ashley for all the time and effort they've invested in the project, I hope they've been adequately compensated :D
Thanks to Chisholm for making his car available for the first prototype eval.
Thanks to Screamin TE, Magna00 and dozens of other members who've kept my enthusiasm hot over this extended development period. Esp all the people who pm me on a daily basis wanting a progress report - thank God that will stop now :p

And an extraordinary thank you to the 2 people that prepaid their orders like forever ago - I still haven't worked out if that is faith, stupidity or desperation for hp. I feel warm and fuzzy thinking it was faith in the project.

If you're name isn't there you're not forgotten, I'm either protecting your privacy or I'm just tired. :coffee:

A big thanks to Brad and Ashley for all the time and effort they've invested in the project, I hope they've been adequately compensated :D



:PIt was a pleasure ;)

and i also feel this gives 100% results as i have dynoed 3 manifolds all with up and down results + Ian and myself made sure everything was exactly the same as previous Dyno runs.

The first prototype dyno was said to have been much better, and those parties swore that It made more power. Unfortunality when it was dynoed it lost power comparred to the stock manifold.

Guys, in order go get some real interest, and to sell your item to those who care about performance, before and after dyno printouts are really needed to be done on the same Dyno, same day etc.

The first prototype dyno was said to have been much better, and those parties swore that It made more power. Unfortunality when it was dynoed it lost power comparred to the stock manifold.

Guys, in order go get some real interest, and to sell your item to those who care about performance, before and after dyno printouts are really needed to be done on the same Dyno, same day etc.

And it was down low and mid range and did make power in those areas but EZ boy wanted to make changes to make it perform better.

I think you need to get off your high horse and get over this same day dyno **** im sorry but there were changes between this manifold(which gave better results)
and the first one dynoed the car was dynoed on the same dyno with the same tyre pressure same everything as both me and EZ boy took copies of the previous dyno and had them match it perfectly.You seem to be the only one that is complaining

If your are that concerned buy one and go get back to back dynos done.

And i want to say sorry to EZ boy for posting this in his thread but it needed to be said.

And it was down low and mid range and did make power in those areas but EZ boy wanted to make changes to make it perform better.

I think you need to get off your high horse and get over this same day dyno **** im sorry but there were changes between this manifold(which gave better results)
and the first one dynoed the car was dynoed on the same dyno with the same tyre pressure same everything as both me and EZ boy took copies of the previous dyno and had them match it perfectly.You seem to be the only one that is complaining

If your are that concerned buy one and go get back to back dynos done.

And i want to say sorry to EZ boy for posting this in his thread but it needed to be said.

Need I link you to what happened after the first Dyno attempt ?

I got a bit of a drop in power between 2 - 3 G see my thread for dyno read out, but anyways do you think this will smooth it out at all. either way i will be saving my cash :)

mike

You dont have to remind me obviously you didn't look very hard

the first dyno attempt was on Chisholm car and they forgot to put a hose on then it was dynoed back to back on my car and yes it lost power UP TOP but if you look at the dyno results it made power down low and mid range

Found the graph

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/1219/1steverdynorun30ltemagnob2.jpg

You dont have to remind me obviously you didn't look very hard

the first dyno attempt was on Chisholm car and they forgot to put a hose on then it was dynoed back to back on my car and yes it lost power UP TOP but if you look at the dyno results it made power down low and mid range

Lost power up high on a 3L. God knows what kind of power it would of lost on a 3.5 :S

Trust me when I say im not the only one with these doubts on this forum. If this is a true business venture, which I believe it is with private backers, than what potential customers need is proof.

my god thats some big looking pipes :shock:
that thing is huge
i think im going to have to gather some money up for when these are ready to go
anyone got a incar sound clip of it? or is it hard to hear?

Lost power up high on a 3L. God knows what kind of power it would of lost on a 3.5 :S

Trust me when I say im not the only one with these doubts on this forum. If this is a true business venture, which I believe it is with private backers, than what potential customers need is proof.




I'm not even going to bother anymore dealing with you as you can see in the graph above where it lost power and with the changes made to the new manifold it has been rectified.

i think you are just nit picking to be honest

EZ boy is satisfied with the results and how we did the dyno so im satisfied

If you have anymore comments PM EZ boy

I'm not even going to bother anymore dealing with you as you can see in the graph above where it lost power and with the changes made to the new manifold it has been rectified.

i think you are just nit picking to be honest

EZ boy is satisfied with the results and how we did the dyno so im satisfied

If you have anymore comments PM EZ boy

Not nik picking. Just stating facts they way I see it.

At the end of the day someone buy this manifold, take your car down to the drags, and post your trap speed.

The only real indicator of power.

the first dyno attempt was on Chisholm car and they forgot to put a hose on then it was dynoed back to back on my car and yes it lost power UP TOP but if you look at the dyno results it made power down low and mid range



Well I have no recollection of any forgotten hose (I thought there may have been a disconnected vacuum hose, but I never found one). IMO the prototype lost power up top simply because the runners were too small (significantly smaller than the OEM manifold by the naked eye). However it is apparent Ian has made significant changes to his design since then, based on what was learned from the testing done on my car. So there's probably no point in talking about the results from the old prototype, as they are "out of date".

Although that experience did teach me one lesson : your own "bum dyno" can't be trusted, when we are talking about fairly small increments of power. The dyno showed we lost 10wkw, yet to be honest I didn't notice the difference during my "spirited" brief road testing.

The fact I didn't even notice 10wkw missing highlights to me the the importance of comrehensive dyno testing. Enthusiam does stange things to your head, I've learnt to trust figures over my own blind enthusiasm:P

Although I would like to point out fuel economy did seem to improve by 0.5-1L/100km, and low-mid rpm part-throttle response did seem to be improved.

These latest dyno suggest a good result, but it would be really nice if one of you manifold buyers could do EZboy and AMC a big favour, and do a same-day back-to-back test, just to bury any doubts and clarify the gains once and for all.

I love it when people nowhere near a project decide to chip in.

I would be happy to LOSE 20kw at 5500 if I gained 20kw at 3000.


I will admit that I made the manifolds to cater from my AWD and that's it. My AWD is heavy, sluggish, and has a tranny that likes to hold the highest gear when it clearly doesn't have the torque necessary. So I took a gamble and applied some logic and luck to improve air delivery. That's how this project started. My daily rpm operating range is 2200-3000 under 40-60% throttle load at traffic speeds.

So, I needed a manifold that could:

1) Deliver lots of air at small cam openings
2) Utilise log manifold design to retain stock intake components
3) Not noticeably lose top end
4) Not adversly affect fuel efficiency

To meet these criteria we know that:

Smaller diameter pipes or hoses will flow at a higher velocity and more air will enter the motor than a larger diameter pipe with slower air flow. The prob is that there will be a point where the pipe cannot flow any more air despite the engines need for it as rpm rises. Insert DUAL runners. Velocity is still higher than a single large port, flows the same infact more: win-win. The trick was finding the point where the dual diameters would be superior to the single.

Have a look at the 2 pics of the ports in the manifold put on Chisholms car (elongated) THEN COMPARE to the latest shapes of the later 2 prototypes - BJ31OS (p3) and my AWD (p2).

I had an oportunity to experiment with velocity and port size so I took it. The result was a dud. Now I know, so I moved on. The information gained was actually very useful. It showed how a rather small port AND smaller runners could support power on the 3.5 upto 4000rpm. I will admit that the power felt strangled prior to installing on Chisholms car but I was too determined to get a dyno result because everything was booked and I had to drive 2hrs to meet up with Chisholm etc etc. Worst case scenario is that we got some useful data.

STAGE 2: Increase the port size and runner diameters to suit: Port from 28x44mm to 44mm circle. Runners up from dual 28mm diam to dual 34mm diam. Increase plenum volume.

This 3rd increase in plenum volume is to retain top end ability. A smaller plenum would choke up the motor, plenty of examples out there on other motors be it Nissan, Honda etc.

If people want to pull themselves at the dragstrip, then a manifold with runner a touch larger than stock, half the length and with a 4L plenum will keep you grinning.

If you want to have a punchy daily driver and still show some street muscle then this product is your new best friend.

PM me and you can come and drive MY car. I'll put the Moristech plug block on so my tuning is by-passed to make the playing field level.

People who have driven my car:

Heathyoung (AWD, former Sprintex now NA)
ScreaminTE
BJ31OS
Magna00
Graham Bell (AWD owner and car enthusiast - Google him)

I think allot of people just don't exactly know the amount of work involved in researching and developing components. The time and money required is usually quiet high, and there are many times the prototypes don't live up to the expectations (all part and parcel).

So it's easy to sit back and criticise when you didn't waste a single thing on a project. So I for one (and I'm sure many well informed members here) am great full someone like EZBoy has actually stuck with it till the end, and the results are definitely significant. To create such results with just a modified intake manifold shows the amount of research that went into the project.

:clap:

Sunday night. Back from RSL bingo. Time to sit on my rocking chair with quilt over knees and glass of port in hand. And read AMC Forum. Interesting comments there.

Some comments from me:

Yeah, tell us what does the ECU "learn" re engine? I thought it was only auto-box related "behaviour learning" - nothing to do with AFR. Really.

DO tell your ins comp about mods. Cos if u have a claim and a unlisted mod is discovered.... well, do u really wanna waste money?
They might not wanna care if the cause for the accident was mod-related or not, it's their regulation to know about mods.

Torque kicks a**, power (kw) mainly work on higher revs. Torque rules and makes the car go. Really, think, top end kw are only available at (surprise) top end. Wanna drive around all the time with 5000 rpm in the clock? Nope? Thought so....

There.

What, darling? Time to take my chill pill and go to bed? Do I have to? Ammmhhhh, bugr - good night everubody.
Especially EzBoy. I shall be in touch. :cool:

The clock ticks by ............................... oh how I live in suspense :D

The clock ticks by ............................... oh how I live in suspense :D

lol

RIGHTO: Here is what MY inlet manifold with a tune can do:

That's right 132.5kw at ALL 4 wheels. This was a full tune, took near 3hrs. Was an interesting process actually. I'll let the results do the talking from here on in.....

holly crap, one mst be happy with that :)

right gotta get my savings faster.

when will these start to go into production?

mike

Sexcellent.

Well done my friend, when does the production start? And is this the final revision?

Was there a full tune on the standard manifold for comparison?

Did the tuner comment on differences between tuning this manifold compared to a standard one? Like was he adding a lot more fuel due to the extra air? Or was it minimal?

That tune/tuner is GOLD, the AFR's are simply perfect, the torque perfect and beautiful power gain. The ultimate tune for that setup I would suggest, and a Mainline dyno to boot, nuthin better really. Great to see the culmination of a lot of effort producing results.

NICE ONE:badgrin:

Damn that AFR curve is so spot on, its a shame that they cant modify the SMT6 tune or id look at getting them to do my retune.

Was there a full tune on the standard manifold for comparison?

Did the tuner comment on differences between tuning this manifold compared to a standard one? Like was he adding a lot more fuel due to the extra air? Or was it minimal?

Never tuned a stocko, seemed a waste of money with my mod list as exhaust and K&N panel and I didn't have any mmt until I got involved with the Moristech from Raptors upcoming supercharger kit.

A good even spread of advance all over the place varying from 3-8deg typically. As much as 20deg mid range rpm at wot. Some retarding down low in 2 notable spots. Fueling was pretty good. Richer here, leaner there...

It was tuned with SUMMER heat and safety margin in mind. 98ron V-Power. Worth the extra few $ per tank I think.

that is a bloody nice curve there!!! I wonder what sort of power it would put down in a FWD!

thats excellent news ian


just off topic is there anyone around newcastle that can retune the smt6?

Thats amazing power out of what is a pretty stockish car (simple boltons). The auto, and awd would be sucking alot of power out of that.

Im to lazy to search, but what power did you pull totally stock ?

that is a bloody nice curve there!!! I wonder what sort of power it would put down in a FWD!


Exactly MY thoughts too, mabye 140 at the tyres seems achievable for FWD cars. Thats pretty good power, more than equal to a 3.8 ECOTEC with quite a few mods and in much lighter car.


I recall some posters on another thread here doubting what I had to say about NA retunes with Moristech, extractors, etc etc a couple of months ago ............. I will let the facts do the talking :D

Its all good :badgrin:

huh? 3.8 Ecotec (non S/C) would come noway near 140 at the wheels. i dont think they are much more than that at the flywheel?

thats excellent news ian


just off topic is there anyone around newcastle that can retune the smt6?

Nope, only one that can do it in NSW without removing the safeguard that sprintex puts on the ecu is tweakit, which are booked out dyno wise till mid September. btw Ian had any luck getting that fuel pump?

Man i cant wait till i got the extra cash. once i get a bigger flex pipe and this intake hopefully i will be looking at 165 kw ATW. 170 was my aim for an auto. im getting all excited yay.

mike

I was reading that this piggyback acts different to others, ie, that it doesnt intercept the signals and alter them like other piggybacks.

Ian, or others, could you please explain this a little, and also the advantages it has over traditional piggyback systems

3.8 Ecotec (non S/C) would come noway near 140 at the wheels. i dont think they are much more than that at the flywheel?

I work with dozens of these every month, with rockers upgrade, extractors, high flow exhaust and cat with auto trans will do ~134rwkw any day, read some of my write ups around the web if you care to.

To have the Magna going the same power is TOTALLY AWESOME, much lighter car and will provide some great stick in the day to day traffic :cool:

btw Ian had any luck getting that fuel pump? :confused:

I work with dozens of these every month, with rockers upgrade, extractors, high flow exhaust and cat with auto trans will do ~134rwkw any day, read some of my write ups around the web if you care to.

To have the Magna going the same power is TOTALLY AWESOME, much lighter car and will provide some great stick in the day to day traffic :cool:

o rite sorry, misread your first post :)

I am very suprised with the tunability of these engines. After getting the straight-thru muffler put on and ez-boys throttle body, its a different car. Pulls bloody hard and flogged my mates VN with minor mods

I was reading that this piggyback acts different to others, ie, that it doesnt intercept the signals and alter them like other piggybacks.

Ian, or others, could you please explain this a little, and also the advantages it has over traditional piggyback systems

The Moristech doesn't intercept the airflow meter and try to induce the factory ECU to change fuel and ignition, instead it control the final signal from the ECU to injectors, and changes the crank angle reading the ECU sees to change ignition timing. Very powerful and economical unit.

o rite sorry, misread your first post :)

I am very suprised with the tunability of these engines. After getting the straight-thru muffler put on and ez-boys throttle body, its a different car. Pulls bloody hard and flogged my mates VN with minor mods

Not exactly hard to smoke VN's, usually they are that thrashed its a suprise that they still run, but yeah shotgun taking it for another spin Ian!

I've just decided to name the Inlet Manifold: STREETFIGHTER

Will that sound cool telling your mates about your latest mod at the pub or what?!

The sales blurb would go like this:

"Some products would have you taking a knife to a gunfight. With the Streetfighter you'll always come out on top. With OEM looks, you'll be fighting dirty, fighting to win"

Or maybe I should go to bed :redface:

Not exactly hard to smoke VN's, usually they are that thrashed its a suprise that they still run, but yeah shotgun taking it for another spin Ian!

I'm only 18kw away from your sprintex now :D

So when do these become avaliable to the public?

Will they be able to accomodate a larger T/B?

I remember the original monster was able to be twin T/B or single, I know it's very different form that early one now though.

I'm only 18kw away from your sprintex now :D

should have got you to take me for a spin when i was up there getting the TB fitted :doubt:

I'm only 18kw away from your sprintex now :D

heh thats before the pump mind you, and i have some stuff brewing shortly aka Injection, Manual and thinking of a new cam/headwork and more zorst. Should give me a healthy barrier until you get your blower.

I've just decided to name the Inlet Manifold: STREETFIGHTER

Will that sound cool telling your mates about your latest mod at the pub or what?!

The sales blurb would go like this:

"Some products would have you taking a knife to a gunfight. With the Streetfighter you'll always come out on top. With OEM looks, you'll be fighting dirty, fighting to win"

Or maybe I should go to bed :redface:

Dude, give up :bowrofl:

Call it Hamster-Tech Inlet Superiority Design

good sales pitch.

our manifolds help your car suck more than ever!!

or

our inlet manifolds help your car to suck!!

Dude, give up :bowrofl:

Call it Hamster-Tech Inlet Superiority Design

Superior
Technik
Under
Der
Magna
And
Der
Exterior.


Enufs enuf :D I'll stop now!

Congrats on the results Ian i know how happy you are to finally have it tuned

Some positive pressure on this little number will have the kw's galloping all over the place bud

EZ,
This has been a long road with many bumps.
So happy to read a smile on your face.
Thanks for always being so open and allowing us to tag along for the read/ride.
:thumbsup:

HAIL STREETFIGHTER.....Congrats

Congrts.... good to see the hard work pay off!

i haven't been following every single post in this thread so this may very well be a question you have answered many times before but i would like to know how much these little beauties are going to be sold for??

if you could possibly put the price in your signature as you have with your throttle bodies it would save you alot of time and frustration having to answer the same question over and over again.

I do expect it to be close to $800 or sub $800. Finger crossed :cool:




Hope this helps

P.S Well worth the money

Hope this helps

P.S Well worth the money
That's an estimate :doubt:

That's an estimate :doubt:

He has always said through the entire lot that it would be around 800ish, which is great value given the amount of work done to it compared to RPW's.

He has always said through the entire lot that it would be around 800ish, which is great value given the amount of work done to it compared to RPW's.
I'm not saying it isn't mate, I'm saying it's an estimate, what about a final figure?

What did the boys with revision one pay? Or was that demo rates... I'm quite keen on this inlet manifold so I'm just antsy :P

I'm not saying it isn't mate, I'm saying it's an estimate, what about a final figure?

What did the boys with revision one pay? Or was that demo rates... I'm quite keen on this inlet manifold so I'm just antsy :P

We payed nothing for the revision one unit except sexual favours :D Theres only 1 Revision one manifold lurking around and BEJ1OS has it, there is pre orders from memory but Ian only made 2 or 3 testing units only.

I daresay once he gets the foundary to actually start making them i would expect an exact price then.

We payed nothing for the revision one unit except sexual favours :D Theres only 1 Revision one manifold lurking around and BEJ1OS has it, there is pre orders from memory but Ian only made 2 or 3 testing units only.

I daresay once he gets the foundary to actually start making them i would expect an exact price then.


There are 2 currently one on my car and one on Ian's, The one on my car a few very little adjustments mainly cosmetic i think

EZ,
This has been a long road with many bumps.
So happy to read a smile on your face.
Thanks for always being so open and allowing us to tag along for the read/ride.
:thumbsup:

Mate, thats an excellent description of what I'm sure allot of use here are feeling. WELL DONE IAN.lol

There are 2 currently one on my car and one on Ian's, The one on my car a few very little adjustments mainly cosmetic i think

Not cosmetic, fully functional.

Brad's proto (#4) has revised runners - the angle of merge is smoother (shallower) to reduce turbulence at the junction and the angle of entry to the lower inlet manifold is closer to perpendicular (straight in!).

The manifold on my car which was tuned (#3) has a poorer runner merge angle and slightly sharper entry into the lower manifold, not by much but I felt enough about it to get it revised for #4 on Brads car.

The unit on Brads car is very linear in it's delivery (as I suspected and hoped it would be) so that incarnation will be the production version.

I am meeting with another foundary on Monday to get a better finish and job quality on the castings. The previous foundary couldn't even LOOK at pouring any manifolds for another 6weeks, I am hoping this other foundary can get some done a bit sooner. I will know more on monday. :cool:


A BIG THANKS to AMC for sticking this one out with me, God knows there have been plenty of personal distractions, delays and hindreances along the way - but we did it!!!!!!

Yepss Ian, glad to see we are finally there. Well, almost, after u talk to the other steel melting monsters.
Very (im)patiently awaiting for further info re this product. :cool:
BTW, even the Mrs will be happy to see this "end" - cos it means I stop talking about it more than she talks about cloth shopping! :shock:

So when do these become avaliable to the public?

Will they be able to accomodate a larger T/B?

I remember the original monster was able to be twin T/B or single, I know it's very different form that early one now though.

Getting production schedule sorted out as we speak.

YES to a larger TB. Why? The aluminium can be welded, there's a good wall thickness available to support welding. The inlet between the TB flange and plenum proper is tapered - which means you just cut the taper at the corresponding butterfly diameter and weld your new flange plate on. Good to go.

A mustang 75mm off ebay.com will give like 33% more flow than the 65 stocko even when it's high flowed. Be overkill for twin 65s I think.

** PRODUCTION UPDATE **

I have dropped the pattern off at a different foundary to assess. They're aiming for a casting late next wk from which they will offer a price. They were sceptical about matching the current price I pay but I will squeeze hard on this. However, if there is a notable increase in quality then I am content to pay a touch more.

** PRODUCTION UPDATE **

I have dropped the pattern off at a different foundary to assess. They're aiming for a casting late next wk from which they will offer a price. They were sceptical about matching the current price I pay but I will squeeze hard on this. However, if there is a notable increase in quality then I am content to pay a touch more.


Glad to hear you found another foundry hope they can do it at a good price for you and good quality.

P.S still loving this manifold

Have you tried Central Foundry in Sydney. They are near the domestic airport.
They do aluminium castings for us.
Finish is reasonable, but I have not seen their cored work.

Gerry

P.S still loving this manifold

You've so gotta get yours tuned!

The torque is awesome. The pull from 3000 to 6000 is so linear it's bazaar. Normally you'd gas it, feel for the engine to taper off and grab the next cog. With the tune it's just redline, redline, redline, collect $ from loser. Fuel economy is still close to 11/100 for my AWD using fuel receipts as the trip computer info is now redundant.

still think HamsterTech Inlet is better name

You've so gotta get yours tuned!.


Soon very soon hopefully within the next month or so

You've so gotta get yours tuned! Yeah that's the big tip folks. EZ and I have been tick-tacking on this whole manifold set up thing. And whilst just bolting the manifold on will give pleasing results you need a piggy back ECU to get the best out of any modded manifold. There's an instant 10-14 ATW kw's to be had (14 in my case) from post manifold tuning, plus much more effective management of fuelling.

You've so gotta get yours tuned!

The torque is awesome. The pull from 3000 to 6000 is so linear it's bazaar. Normally you'd gas it, feel for the engine to taper off and grab the next cog. With the tune it's just redline, redline, redline, collect $ from loser. Fuel economy is still close to 11/100 for my AWD using fuel receipts as the trip computer info is now redundant.

Depending on where you intercepted the injector (IIRC you went straight out of the ECU) - unless you increased your rail pressure or added another injector, your trip meter is still OK - it reads off the number 2 injector (pulse width + duty cycle) to calculate fuel usage.

The manifold is very impressive, much more tractable and liveable than the SC... It was for me anyway, never a big fan of the lookatme noise either. :nuts:

Depending on where you intercepted the injector (IIRC you went straight out of the ECU) - unless you increased your rail pressure or added another injector, your trip meter is still OK - it reads off the number 2 injector (pulse width + duty cycle) to calculate fuel usage.

The manifold is very impressive, much more tractable and liveable than the SC... It was for me anyway, never a big fan of the lookatme noise either. :nuts:

The moristech pro sequential wiring: ECU OUT -> Moristech -> Injector. So the trip computer wont be very useful. A guide perhaps. Which is interesting as my trip computer is showing 9.8L/100 atm :D

Had a quick look at the wiring diagrams.

The combination meter, Trip meter, input for calculating fuel usage is from the feed to Injector N° 2.

Now whether the trip meter will pick up the Moristech modified signal depends on where the interceptor signal is cut into the existing wiring.

IF the main ECU output circuit to Injector N°2 is cut immediately AFTER pin 9 for the automatic or pin 14 for manual transmission, and BEFORE the break out point for the wire back to the combination meter, then the trip meter will be seeing the modified injector control signals and will show, hopefully, reasonably accurate new fuel consumption data.
This is from section Section 54C 03/02, MPI System diagrams

Hope that this is clear.
Gerrr

Nice turnout ezboy with the manifold. Cant wait for the blower results. I want the same setup on an AWD soon too.

EZBOY

How is the manufacturing shaping up for the manifolds? Can't be too far away now, really hope it turns out excellent and you can get on with this product

Probably have a result this time next wk from the foundary. They're trying to get all August's orders out before eom so they can get paid in 30days rather than 60. They like me waving cash around :D

One was caste today but I won't be able to set eyes on it until monday. They want to negotiate the casting price too given the complexity of the manifold. We'll see what figure they have in mind and see if it's do-able vs the quality of the product produced. I'll post up asap.

Righto, price was unnegotiably too high. Will wait for original foundary to become available. To show them we're all serious I might get some more orders together and put a bit more pressure on them to get some product for us.

EZ

You might have to send if offshore to get it done right mate .........

Keep it here in oz. Sending it of shore will probably cause issues in regards to others making copies of the same item. They will probably start poping up on ebay. Also lets keep the jobs here in Aus.... Might be cheaper doing it of shore but may end up with an inferior product.
Back to the topic...

Regards

Keep it here in oz. Sending it of shore will probably cause issues in regards to others making copies of the same item. They will probably start poping up on ebay. Also lets keep the jobs here in Aus.... Might be cheaper doing it of shore but may end up with an inferior product.
Back to the topic...

Regards

i agree. i for 1 am willing to wait a little longer, pay slightly more to keep money in australia.

if this goes offshore ill probably look elsewhere, which will suck cause i want this 1!

Offshore is out of the question for me personally. I'm tired of Australia prostituting itself to Asia. We're just China's quarry. When that's all dried up, then what? Will the pollies start to promote and protect our industries. What have lost so far? Farming, textiles, manufacturing, car manufacturing is nearly dead, engineering, medical research and so on.

** Don't hijack this thread peoples **

So no, just have to wait. Again :(

Whhooowwhh - this patriotism made me buy flags in to my office!

So u want orders? How many in atm? How do I "apply" - send u PM?

Whhooowwhh - this patriotism made me buy flags in to my office!

So u want orders? How many in atm? How do I "apply" - send u PM?


PM would be the best method

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61039 Link to the FOR SALE thread. I'm NOW taking orders as the foundary can start late next week on a good run if the numbers come together in time. Need a minimum of 3 more prepaids, have 5 already of the minimum 8 needed. :D :cool:

The price is firm and the product is HOT, hook in people for the greatest Manifold option to ever grace the 6G74!

I think everyone already knows that ^^^^^^ but hope you all support EZBOY on this. Results are on the table and the man is honest.

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61039 Link to the FOR SALE thread. I'm not taking orders as the foundary can start late next week on a good run if the numbers come together in time. Need 3 more prepaids, have 5 already of the 8 needed. :D :cool:

Do you mean you're NOW taking orders? just checking, as the two words have completely different connotations :P

Do you mean you're NOW taking orders? just checking, as the two words have completely different connotations :P


I would assume that he IS taking orders... needs to fill the first pour of 8. Has 5, needs 3 to pay up, = 8 happy smiling mitsu owners!

Do you mean you're NOW taking orders? just checking, as the two words have completely different connotations :P

Oops, fixed :redface:

I AM taking orders for the 1st production run. :dancin:

omg this is awesome

About disconnecting the EGR, what are the legalities of this?

It's illegal as far as the RTA is concerned; removing any emissions control device is. Anyone with a Sprintex'd TH-TW already has it disabled; some brands of extractors also don't have provision for it to be reconnected.

It's illegal as far as the RTA is concerned; removing any emissions control device is. Anyone with a Sprintex'd TH-TW already has it disabled; some brands of extractors also don't have provision for it to be reconnected.

Ahh, the Sprintex units do use the EGR still, just people running extractors usually disable it. I know my EGR is connect and running A1, i dont think there is any power in disconnecting it imho.

it would provide a tiny amount of benefit by removing it. the C16XE Family1 GM engine ran a blanking plate over the EGR valve prior to emissions being toughened in europe, that alone netted 4BHP. In a sub 1000kg 4cyl hatch, it makes a difference lol

it would provide a tiny amount of benefit by removing it. the C16XE Family1 GM engine ran a blanking plate over the EGR valve prior to emissions being toughened in europe, that alone netted 4BHP. In a sub 1000kg 4cyl hatch, it makes a difference lol

I find that strange, because generally EGR systems in passenger cars only operate in lean cruise/low load situations, and not at WOT.

Perhaps that 4hp was caused by other variables?

Anyway, the bottom line is removing the EGR is a non-issue for our cars. Well ok, maybe in theory you could be defected for it in some circumstances, but the chances of it are negligible IMO.

I find that strange, because generally EGR systems in passenger cars only operate in lean cruise/low load situations, and not at WOT.

Perhaps that 4hp was caused by other variables?

Anyway, the bottom line is removing the EGR is a non-issue for our cars. Well ok, maybe in theory you could be defected for it in some circumstances, but the chances of it are negligible IMO.

The EGR continued to recirculate exhaust gases through the inlet even at full throttle. Sealing up the port changed the engine, peak torque increased, and at higher revs.

On a side-note, this little 1600cc engine puts out 195kW with aggressive N/A tuning. 4 large throttle bodies for each cylinder and a heady 10,000RPM rev limit

EGR

Prolly not that hard to reconnect an EGR that "looks right" but doesn't kill the engine performance if you suspect it might.

So, did the 8 unit orders happen yet???

People are most welcome to reconnect their EGR using their own ingenious methods. I'm not feeling like running it and I expect to still pass emissions given that aftermarket SC and Turbo cars can do it and they generate a lot more exhaust gas then a NA.

The HUGE plenum will be GREAT for Turbo applications and Raptor kits. Because it permits a constant distribution when engine demand is highest at peak rpm. Small plenums such as the stock one (1.85L volume vs SF apprx3.5L volume) will starve the top end. That's why the aftermarket Honda and Det motors run cut-and-shut tubular pipe manifolds with huge plenums and gain power everywhere esp in the top end. But imo those style manifolds look like ***t.

The Street Fighter runner design will hold low and mid power until the turbo or Centrifugal SC builds useful boost. Maybe that's a way to run a huge, normally laggy compressor and not be too depressed about the low and mid output?? :think:

this is more than likely a stupid question but here goes, do you know when the next run of these manifolds will be cast? reason i ask is, I am very keen on one but going to wait another few weeks/1 month due to money being a bit tight at the moment.

I will also be looking at a high flow TB if you have one available at the time for a TH sports with cruise.

does anyone know how this defers from rpw series 2 manifold? i cant find any info on it, he isnt selling them yet but is getting them shipped over and i was wondering if anyone is in the know, but from my feeling ez boys has a bigger chamber and better runners.

does anyone know how this defers from rpw series 2 manifold? i cant find any info on it, he isnt selling them yet but is getting them shipped over and i was wondering if anyone is in the know, but from my feeling ez boys has a bigger chamber and better runners.


To be honest i wouldn't buy RPWs 1st or 2nd series manifold as i seriously doubt that it is half as good as EZ boys manifold and i doubt it has had as much Research and development gone into it. And for the money the Ez manifold will more than likely be cheaper than RPWs manifold.

1st Hint of the week = EZ manifold FTW (for the win)
2nd Hint of the week = RPWs manifold FTL (for the lose)

Also the offer still stands for any Hunter/Central Coast members if you want to test drive a car running the manifold my car is available to do so PM ME

will the car see much gains from beading?

does anyone know how this defers from rpw series 2 manifold?

See this (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=839866&postcount=8).

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See this (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=839866&postcount=8).

That was there first series manifolds, standard runners with new end tank welded onto the end. The new ones are apparently brand new and feature larger runners etc, i smell that they are getting worried about EZboy's manifold and the fact that it might get sales from them.

See this (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=839866&postcount=8).

Well said Phonic. Could've saved me some keyboard RSI :redface:

Guess everyone's a bit speechless. The hits count for the thread went up 61 but there's only 2 posts.

will the car see much gains from beading?

Might need to clarrify the Q champ. If you're referring to the bead blasted finish, it's highly recommended, but not essential. Just HIGHLY recommended. The casts all have minor surface imperfections so they will be sand blasted to even them out a great deal. They will then be bead blasted to 'close up' the surface pores (external only) of the manifold to inhibit penetration by dirt, grime, oil or whatever. Improves the surface appearance, making it 'smooth' to look at. Much easier to clean, hence better retained value on the manifold if you go to sell it later on. So that's why it's part of the standard package for the manifold.

well you cant beat true facts..........

Guess everyone's a bit speechless. The hits count for the thread went up 61 but there's only 2 posts.

thats all good and well but i would still like an answer to my question on the bottom of the last page.....

(page 42)

this is more than likely a stupid question but here goes, do you know when the next run of these manifolds will be cast? reason i ask is, I am very keen on one but going to wait another few weeks/1 month due to money being a bit tight at the moment.

I will also be looking at a high flow TB if you have one available at the time for a TH sports with cruise.

I am aiming to produce a few extra manifolds if the coin allows to create stock with each casting run. There will be more opportunities in the future as demand dictates for additional runs to be done. That's the beauty of the mold. Unless it falls apart :shock:

The foundary has requested volume runs to make it worth their while making core boxes etc and to help get a specific person proficient in making the manifold cores. It's win-win because the costs would go up significantly if say only 2-3 were wanted at a time. Do-able but not very attractive to the Foundary.

TBs? I'm having a little break atm to concentrate on study etc but I will churn out a TB every now and then as time permits. I can't put a firm timetable on it except that there is a nice mid semester break coming at the end of this month, thank God.

Thankyou ezboy for clearing that up, i didnt want to hijack the thread at all, that wasnt my intention, just wanted to know if anyone new anything about the new rpw manifolds, and you answered the question very clearly and i thankyou for that. yours gets my vote.

mike

I'm a little poor after my conversion, but when there is another run, ill be down for it. Well done EZ.

Yep, same here.:pray: great work:shock:

same here :cool:. i will have the cash in the future, when is another question.:bowrofl: stupid uni

Are ppl backing off? We need 8 to commence the process, eh? I was 6., so 2 more. Do some moonlighting....

does anyone know if ya can port these things out at all?

does anyone know if ya can port these things out at all?


I dont think there would be a need to IMO

does anyone know if ya can port these things out at all?

There is room for some additional porting by hand once you've had the manifold on for a little while you can remove it check the gasket outline and port to match if you want.

I noticed your post on MCA Ezboy, looking at sending this fine example of engineering to the dark side eh? :cool:

I noticed your post on MCA Ezboy, looking at sending this fine example of engineering to the dark side eh? :cool:

check out mitsimans response

http://www.mitsubishiclubaustralia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=98711#98711

i see a cat fight coming!

lol i saw that as well. but i suppose both of them have to advertise there product and explain eachothers products. had to see it coming really.

yeah but i still love it!

im glad someone is bringing new products to the market, thats always a great thing!

Aha! i knew that he was still trolling this forum under a guest name.

That was a funny read , But after reading what RPW wrote i still believe EZ boy is correct in what he said about RPWs new manifold.

That was a funny read , But after reading what RPW wrote i still believe EZ boy is correct in what he said about RPWs new manifold.

yeah sounds like he is trying to defend his rep, but dunno will have to see if he ever gives full detail of his old/new manifolds

yeah i believe ezboy's will out perform rpw's one in all aspects

That bloke really doesn't like being criticised at all...

just a few memorable quotes from that little rant over on MCA


I don't recall saying anywhere that the units are made out of stainless steel. On that hand I do need to check as to what material they are but I beleive they will actually be made out of alumunium


I do beleive there being made from Aluminium, using CNC machining processes, with some hand welding.


everything you said above, funny enough is in ours as well

he can't evn say what they are made out of, what they look like or how well they work. I'm with magna00, defanitely can't give a straight answer about them but very desperate to defend his reputation.

If you know me I'm pretty easy going and roll with anything. If Dave was interested in this product he would've made contact with me a long time ago, tried to stitch me up - like the US market thinks it is.

Good. Finally an attempt at transparency. Can only be a win for Magna owners as products continue to evolve and improve and prices come down.

Making good headway with overseas contacts too atm. Plenty of people looking for quality alternatives with customer support and tangible gains.

Good. Finally an attempt at transparency. Can only be a win for Magna owners as products continue to evolve and improve and prices come down.

Making good headway with overseas contacts too atm. Plenty of people looking for quality alternatives with customer support.

im having trouble contact that supplier we spoke about the other day too ez boy, if you make contact let me know.

good to see it lives on. Looking forward to the end product.

good to see it lives on. Looking forward to the end product.



its finished and available to buy now

good to see it lives on. Looking forward to the end product.:bowrofl: Where've you been Mate!

Howdy Ezy
Any news for us impatient AMC'rs??? :D

Howdy Ezy
Any news for us impatient AMC'rs??? :D

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=917313&postcount=66

And they continue to live on, email me at <removed> to order yours

** Contact Tradewind and register your interest. I am dispatching the mold and machining templates etc to him asap given my present restraints. Thanks to the people that have expressed interest in continuing the project - no offense to anyone intended by not giving them the opportunity; it simply made a lot of sense to let Tradewind continue the project given his level of involvement in the car performance scene, and existing working relationships with the necessary firms to get the manifolds out there. Oh, it also settled my debt with the Moristech ECU i'm wanting to keep :D **

EZ

Thanks for putting them all in the pic and can understand not wanting to part with the ProSequential ECU, with that in place anything you do in the future is just a matter of a simple tune adjustment and you can bolt ANYTHING into place. Australian Made all the way!

EZ, feel free to post over in my Subforum, its up and going now

Very interested in one of these. Back on page 34 you had the dyno chart with the new post manifold and tune. Is there a chart showing pretune with the manifold on? I mean, when you first went on the dyno with the manifold, he would have done an initial run before he tuned it. Is that the blue line on that dyno chart? Those who don't have an ecu to tune may be interested in straight bolt on performance.

Cheers

Hey buddy these manifolds are now being done by Raptor have a look in the sponsors section for streetfighter manifold.