I know it is inevitable that the clear coat on my paintwork will come off, but at the moment it is small, is there anything I can do to stop it happening or to remedy it. Also leads me to ask, why did they put a clear on over a solid white??

the clear coat is to make it shiny, as for your problem. i'd get some polish andget to work on it.

I know it is inevitable that the clear coat on my paintwork will come off, but at the moment it is small, is there anything I can do to stop it happening or to remedy it. Also leads me to ask, why did they put a clear on over a solid white??

Would be to protect the paint underneath one would think, and for shine.
If the clearcoat is peeling nothing can be done to stop it. (Well not that I've been made aware of anyway)

when I got my car, I polised the **** out of it to try and stop the clear coming off...no such luck. it's now gone completely milky coloured and spotted from where it's actually delaminated.

fact of life and an inevitable showing of a magnas age.

fact of life and an inevitable showing of a magnas age.
More a lack of caring for the car. Take the TR for instance, its a 93 model, has spent 60% of its life since we got in early 94 out in the weather, but has been polished every year. The paint is still great on it, only just now are you starting to feel slight roughness in the boot (but its still not visible). My KE on the other hand, well that appears to have spent a little bit too much time in the weather without proper care.

As to how to fix it, respraying comes to mind lol

More a lack of caring for the car. Take the TR for instance, its a 93 model, has spent 60% of its life since we got in early 94 out in the weather, but has been polished every year. The paint is still great on it, only just now are you starting to feel slight roughness in the boot (but its still not visible). My KE on the other hand, well that appears to have spent a little bit too much time in the weather without proper care.

As to how to fix it, respraying comes to mind lol

got a lancer thats spent 7years of its life (our ownership) in the rain and sun. one polish and it's good as new. mums old LTD spent 10 years (our ownership) in the weather. once again, a polish and it came out perfect. the pathfinder has now spent 2yrs of its life in the sun and rain (our ownership). first polish we gave it was a month ago an it's come up brand new.

Metallice clear over base at the time was experimental in aust. I read that somewhere once. holden and mitsu and ford tried it first. ford had the winning paint with the EA/EB/ED not fading/peeling with holden and mitsu losing out..

Whats your point yann?:confused:

Whats your point yann?:confused:

no matter what care you take of the paint on the magna (spec TR/TS/KR/KS) it will fade and clear will peel. even the best will start to decline after a while.

a winning paint wont just give up that easily...

Yep, I agree Yann, I had a VN Calais and it also suffered the clear undress syndrome, while my fathers Fairmont was as good as new. Seems Ford were the lucky ones with the paint!
My car has been garaged and out of the elements when I am home and even whn not in garage, its under a carport. Its washed on a less frequent basis due to water restrictions, but it does get a polish twice a year. It comes up a treat, but this flaking off of the clear, well it collects the dirt a bit :confused:

Yep, I agree Yann, I had a VN Calais and it also suffered the clear undress syndrome, while my fathers Fairmont was as good as new. Seems Ford were the lucky ones with the paint!
My car has been garaged and out of the elements when I am home and even whn not in garage, its under a carport. Its washed on a less frequent basis due to water restrictions, but it does get a polish twice a year. It comes up a treat, but this flaking off of the clear, well it collects the dirt a bit :confused:

my friends VP had the actual paint peel off. he was back to grey primer at one stage.

no matter what care you take of the paint on the magna (spec TR/TS/KR/KS) it will fade and clear will peel. even the best will start to decline after a while.
How do you explain the TR parked in my garage then, it hasn't even been garaged most of its life and it looks great. Take Tuffy's TR as another prime example, its still on the original paint and clear coat, no signs of wear there either.

Fading isn't just a result of age. I'm not having a go at anyone for the condition of their paint either, unless you've had the car from new, you can't be to blame for how its been treated by previous owners, no matter how pedantic you are with it.

How do you explain the TR parked in my garage then, it hasn't even been garaged most of its life and it looks great. Take Tuffy's TR as another prime example, its still on the original paint and clear coat, no signs of wear there either.

Fading isn't just a result of age. I'm not having a go at anyone for the condition of their paint either, unless you've had the car from new, you can't be to blame for how its been treated by previous owners, no matter how pedantic you are with it.

:doubt: lugo, you'll notice I said "after a while" you said yourself that the paint on the boot of your TR is starting to go matte. Pauls paint will end up fading one day. it's how the paint for the magnas were made. 99% of magnas i've seen between '91 and '96 have faded paint.

:doubt: lugo, you'll notice I said "after a while" you said yourself that the paint on the boot of your TR is starting to go matte. Pauls paint will end up fading one day. it's how the paint for the magnas were made. 99% of magnas i've seen between '91 and '96 have faded paint.
Its not starting to fade, its still glossy, I said its starting to feel a little rough, needs polishing lol

meh, over it. OP even says his car is garaged and clear is peeling...

no matter what care you take of the paint on the magna (spec TR/TS/KR/KS) it will fade and clear will peel. even the best will start to decline after a while.

a winning paint wont just give up that easily...

Sorry dude but going to Disagree 100%
My magna, always been garaged. Paint looks like it just came out of the factory. No signs of peeling/fading/anything anywhere.
So i think thats a bit specific when you refer to ALL 2nd gen magnas surcoming to paint fading.
Now i try and keep the car in good condition too to preserve this.
With any paint the sun will kill the paint, keep it out of the sun and you should be on a winner.
And again, i dont see my paint fading anytime soon, so yeah, i think give it another 14 years of garageness and it should still be the same.

I tend to notice it depends more on weather exposure, not just direct sunlight but also humidity and ambient temperature garaged or not. Say Tuffy's paintwork, garaged in from what I can tell is a pretty decent garage, still holding up great. Take a look at Joe's Verada parked in the front yard on the crab grass though, and same goes for mine parked in the tin shed, it's practically back to bare steel.

(It is possible though if you park a similar era Fairline out in these conditions though, it's usually alright.)

Different mixtures yield different results, I guess.

Do the 2nd gens even have a clear coat? im under the impression that the 'proper' clear coat started around year 2000 and automotive paint before then was just a high gloss finish...

Do the 2nd gens even have a clear coat? im under the impression that the 'proper' clear coat started around year 2000 and automotive paint before then was just a high gloss finish...

Im prety sure the metallics have a clear coat.
not sure about the flats?

Do the 2nd gens even have a clear coat? im under the impression that the 'proper' clear coat started around year 2000 and automotive paint before then was just a high gloss finish...

metallics have clear coat.

Re: TUFFTR as said above, 99% of the TR/TS model magnas i've seen have faded/weather damaged paint. Whether or not yours will fade in future is not for me to say/predict. Maybe it will, maybe it wont. who knows.

metallics have clear coat.

Re: TUFFTR as said above, 99% of the TR/TS model magnas i've seen have faded/weather damaged paint. Whether or not yours will fade in future is not for me to say/predict. Maybe it will, maybe it wont. who knows.
It wont, because after 14 years of being in a garage, it will continue being in a garage.
You see them with faded pain because these cars no-one cares about, they dont care if the paint fades because they are old magnas

no matter what care you take of the paint on the magna (spec TR/TS/KR/KS) it will fade and clear will peel. even the best will start to decline after a while.

a winning paint wont just give up that easily...

my paint is also > yours.

Also better than falcons. Especially in terms of colour.

I need touch ups in about 3 places though due to car park wankers and mechanics bumping walls

yeah im definatly part of the clearcoat peel clublol left side of my boot is doing it..

Mine's been out in the elements for at least the past couple of years, though I do try to at least get some sort of shade. Unfortunately the current shade also houses a whole family of possums, who like to rain **** and berries all over it.
No sign of fade, peel, or crazing yet. And yes, metallic with clear coat.

My roofs peeling, wont be long before the rest does. Talk about annoying


Australian Sun

More a lack of caring for the car.
thats crap, i used to wash mine weekly and polish it monthly, but because it was in the sun its faded really bad, theres nothing you can do when paint gets to a certain age, especially in the elements

My clear coat is still pretty good and mines a 92 model :bouncin:

I have noticed that the most common colour to de-laminate like crazy is the mirage silver.

Hey, fight it as you may, but as stated by me, 99% of magna's of the 91-96 generation have **** paint.

metallics have clear coat.

Re: TUFFTR as said above, 99% of the TR/TS model magnas i've seen have faded/weather damaged paint. Whether or not yours will fade in future is not for me to say/predict. Maybe it will, maybe it wont. who knows.

The reason they have damaged paintwork, is due to neglect/lack of propper maintenance.
If you leave any car sitting in the weather without moving for a period of time, its paint will be damaged too.. whether its a magna or not. It just seems it may happen faster to a magna. If you take care of your paint, theres no reason for it to peel - no matter what car.. unless its been contaminated with something. If you read most factory vehicle handbooks, they mention a bit about paintwork maintenance. . Polishing a car does SFA, except removes prior oxidation from the surface. Polishing a car is NOT a form of paint protection. You need to wax after polishing (or apply some sort of LSP). Do this every 6-8 weeks and your paint wont age with the weather. And FFS, wash your car regularly - dont leave bird crap or bugs on it and say "i'll clean it off later"...otherwise dont complain your paint is peeling.

I had a mate with a red VS ute, which was suffering from oxidation, who used to use NXT wax on it. It always came up good, but whenever he went to the carwash or after 2-3 weeks in the sun, it'd always come up oxidised again. He couldnt understand why.
The wax was layering over the oxidation, making it look glossy.. the carwash soap/pressure would take the wax off and it'd be back to its original state. I took it off his hands for a weekend and cleaned it up with a machine polish. Ever since, it hasnt oxidised at all. He now follows a schedule of 2 coats wax once per month, and he's a happy chappy :D.

thats crap, i used to wash mine weekly and polish it monthly, but because it was in the sun its faded really bad, theres nothing you can do when paint gets to a certain age, especially in the elements
Do you live near the ocean? Salt water has a big effect on paint, but I can tell you now, ours has been in the elements for most of its life, and still is 50% of every day, and its only polished once a year, if that, and its fine. So yeah, I wouldn't call it crap, lack of caring is the biggest factor though, location being the second.

There are several colours that use clear coat. The fact that aust started to use the clear coat system in aus on the second gen is a myth.

Even old sigmas had the option of metallic (or as it was known irradecent) paint. Any metallic is a clear over base due to the metallic part of the paint mix causing a flatter finish.

The 2 main colours that were hit by the clear peel were the reds and silvers, this is because of the different pigment used in these colours. These were then followed by the gun metal and the greens.

Straight white and straight red did not ahve any clear in those days.

The statement about clear coats actually refers to solid colours getting clear coats over them for better gloss, then again in the early 90's I used to clear off even base colours like reds and greens. They then come up really nice.

Clear, inlike the porus base coat is like, for lack of better way of putting it, a film. There are several reasons it wil let go, acid rain, salt, sun, road grime etc. Some are lucky and have no issues, a lot of people are not so lucky and have issues.

Interesting point is that back in the early 90's ford, holden and mits used the same paint systems, just applied differently.

Now lets get back to topic, no there is nothing you can do to arrest the clear lifting, sadly once it has started it will continue.

Ladies, back to the topic of the thread, ie if you can not answer the question that was asked, DONT POST!

OK, back on topic; any thoughts on whether it would be possible/worthwhile to strip back the clear, and recoat? ie., would the colour underneath be salvageable, and is it thick enough to allow a little cutting to remove the clear without fully compromising the colour? Rather than having to do a full bare-metal strip and respray.

Just a thought.

OK, back on topic; any thoughts on whether it would be possible/worthwhile to strip back the clear, and recoat? ie., would the colour underneath be salvageable, and is it thick enough to allow a little cutting to remove the clear without fully compromising the colour? Rather than having to do a full bare-metal strip and respray.

Just a thought.

I was speaking to my spray painter who said that you might be able to sand it back to the base colour but that it would be very light if you were to just put clear back over it. Best bet is to respray and blend into the better parts of the car (usually the doors and other side panels)

EDIT: he also said it wasnt necessary to strip back to metal, but just back to where the edges of where the paint has peeled are 100% smooth and wouldnt be noticable if sprayed back over. thismeans that some parts of the panel will indeed be stripped ack to bare metal with other parts still painted. saves having to prime.

You can strip the clear and attempt to recoat the clear, the only issue is that the base coat is just that, a base coat and is generally 2 - 4 coats only.

The chances of getting it back and then reclearing it are slim with no rub through the base coat.

You could try and feather the edges but I can guarentee that you will get peel back in other places later. My laser is a classic example of this, someone had cut some clear and re painted over the rest. When I got it, there were big blisters under the new base coat.

You do not need to take to metal, just take to the base coat and you will have some areas where you hit primer.

As said, once it has started, you can not stop it

OK Here's the pure truth . . . .

If the metallic paint under the peeling clearcoat is unfaded and in good condition, rub the edges with 800 grit wet and dry, using water. Wash, dry, then use a pressure pack clearcoat for one light coat. Let dry 24 hours. The edges may lift. Rub back again and apply a second coat. Repeat until you have 5 coats of clear.

If the metallic is in bad condition, changed colour or has rust areas, the best solution is a complete colour change - rub back to undercoat or metal, prime and apply 5 litres of a nice original solid colour like Scotia white. A bit labour intensive though . . . .

Above is ok for a temp fix but far from pure and certainly no where near the truth :D , pressure pack paint is complete rubbish, you have no control over the thinning ratio.

Here is a pic of a car that had the same as above, this had base coat done today, will be cleared off in Friday.

"Above is ok for a temp fix" .....correct! But it will put off the day when the car needs fixing on a more permanent basis - not many people can afford the $$$$$ for a complete respray or the 100s of hours needed to do a colour change yourself . . . .

"Pure truth" is a misnomer - "truth" is always dependent on where you are, and the direction you are looking in . . .

Nice respray on the TP wagon by the way.
Got pics of the finished product?
Doing it yourself?
What equipment are you using?
I'm currently repainting a TS V6 wagon, from peeled dark green metallic to Skotia white - solid colours are so much easier to work with!

Why do a colour change, a properly applied metallic paint job will most likely outlast the car.

White is boring to begin with

I am still waiting for a nice warm day to do the final clear coats, hoping later today or tomorrow.

I am using the standard equipment, ie spray gun attached to compressor :)