I have a KH Verada, I love the car, my one problem is the Tracer Control. I find it very dangerous. Is there a way that I can disable it by removing a fuse or something?

Thanks in advance
Jason

I have a KH Verada, I love the car, my one problem is the Tracer Control. I find it very dangerous. Is there a way that I can disable it by removing a fuse or something?

Thanks in advance
Jason

tracer control? you mean traction control right? why would you want to remove it is supposed to help not hinder....

I believe TCL actually stands for "Traction/Trace Control" or something, so you may both be correct.

tracer control? you mean traction control right? why would you want to remove it is supposed to help not hinder....
In the TH/KH models the traction control wasn't very good, it didn't take into account the position of the car on the road, where the weight was sitting etc so it would kick in way too early in the dry and way too late in the wet. Pretty sure you turn it off by pushing the TCL button though don't you and thats it?

Maybe thinking of the ABS?

Traction control I can handle thats when the wheels break traction and the car applies brakes or whatever to stop the wheels from spinning. Im pretty sure its called Tracer Control.

It senses somehow the centrifugal force so when you come into a corner and accelerate out of the corner hard it pulls all the power out of the engine. I guess its there for the average driver who doesnt know what to do when the car steps out.

Cheers
Jason

Traction control I can handle thats when the wheels break traction and the car applies brakes or whatever to stop the wheels from spinning. Im pretty sure its called Tracer Control.

It senses somehow the centrifugal force so when you come into a corner and accelerate out of the corner hard it pulls all the power out of the engine. I guess its there for the average driver who doesnt know what to do when the car steps out.

Cheers
Jason
Pretty sure these are one and the same. Magna traction/trace control works by reducing spark to cut engine output, rather than applying brakes, and they are not separate on magna. As someone above has said, this is turned off by a switch on the dash near the key barrel (TCL). If that doesn't work, then you have some hairy electrical issues going on

Right o thanks all. Looks like I will be turning it off and give it a go.

Traction control I can handle thats when the wheels break traction and the car applies brakes or whatever to stop the wheels from spinning. Im pretty sure its called Tracer Control.

It senses somehow the centrifugal force so when you come into a corner and accelerate out of the corner hard it pulls all the power out of the engine. I guess its there for the average driver who doesnt know what to do when the car steps out.

Cheers
Jason

uhh, fwd drive cars don't tend to "step out" when you accelerate out of a corner. they understeer, not oversteer, under acceleration.

but anyway, yeah, turn it off if it bugs you that much. or pull the fuse.

cheers,
.wook

uhh, fwd drive cars don't tend to "step out" when you accelerate out of a corner. they understeer, not oversteer, under acceleration.

Yes true that.:nuts:

Traction and Trace Control are too separate measures to counter 2 different motions.

Traction control will step in to counter wheel spin.

Trace control will step in if your cornering and the car starts sliding/under steering heavily (or in most cases just heavy cornering).

My ignition process is two steps, 1. turn key, 2. Hit the 'TCL' button to turn the freakin thing off.

It's not the best thing to have when turning right across 3 lanes of traffic between a group of cars, then have the engine cut and just idle across the 3 lanes. On the flip side, its a good tool for twisty roads in the wet as it will probably kick in before your foot can lightly lift off when understeering towards a tree.

I was looking at a way to reverse it, so it would turn off on ignition by default, then have the TCL button toggle it....but I never got the support from here to make it worth anyones while.

I was looking at a way to reverse it, so it would turn off on ignition by default, then have the TCL button toggle it....but I never got the support from here to make it worth anyones while.

That sounds ok if your the only one driving the car.

I think the only option for me is to manually switch it off each time i get into the car. I didnt realize that the tracer control was hooked into the same system as the traction control.

Thanks all for your replies

I found it to work quite well in my KH, even after i got it supercharged it still worked to its full capacity. Just make sure you tyres are in good nick and aligned. You shouldn't have any issues as it has saved my ass plenty of times.

I don't recommend pulling the fuse but instead do what Anon has posted, just turn it off when you don't need it ie; twisty runs, drags, etc where it may be a pain.

Also, the traction/tracer control or whatever its called doesn't apply the brakes like you have mentioned, it just controls throttle body, so when you do break traction it reduces the amount of acceleration.

Yeah I have found the traction control to be pretty good in my KH. And yeah, drops the power when the wheels start to let go, weird feeling actually.

I've found from driving cars with traction control I don't really need it, if you don't do anything stupid to begin with it won't help you. Not like it helps you regain control if you lose traction with the road, only if you put too much power down. Be sensible and it shouldn't matter if its on or off.

Tracer control actually sounds a lot like ESC from how some people have described it, which clearly can't be what it is, because ESC is still considered new technology on these types of vehicles.

Unless I'm mistaken, the only things in cars what will operate the brakes without you knowing is the S-Class Adaptive cruise control and ESC? Correct me if I'm wrong.

The "TRACE" control uses a sensor in the steering column to determine steering angle and one for accelerator position to determine weather or not to control understeer. So basically its a simple extension of the traction control but its there to keep the car in line if you are stupid enough to be giving it heaps of throttle and steering the wheel at the same time. By the way, TCL is Traction Control Logic.

I've found from driving cars with traction control I don't really need it, if you don't do anything stupid to begin with it won't help you. Not like it helps you regain control if you lose traction with the road, only if you put too much power down. Be sensible and it shouldn't matter if its on or off.

Tracer control actually sounds a lot like ESC from how some people have described it, which clearly can't be what it is, because ESC is still considered new technology on these types of vehicles.



ESC maintains the car right on the edge of controllability (and if pushed sometimes beyond that) given the car velocity (from wheel speed and accelerometers) and the driver inputs. Trace Control doesn't maintain anything, it just chops the power...period :)

I don't know the inputs Trace Control uses...but there must be another input, wheel speed perhaps. It still seems to cut power even when on light throttle in taller gears. I very much doubt theres any monitoring of G loading ala AYC, as to counter the information provided by this would then need braking of each wheel, which TCL doesn't do, it just cuts power.

I've found from driving cars with traction control I don't really need it, if you don't do anything stupid to begin with it won't help you.
Drive on some gravel or do a tight u turn in the wet. You don't necessarily have to do anything stupid to set it off.

Mitsubishi released ,world first, TCL system in 1990.

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.za/featuresites/mm_history/TCL.asp
http://www.victoriamitsubishi.ca/Vehicles/2009/Galant/Safety.aspx?lng=2

I'm pretty sure traction control was available on other cars before 1990.

Drive on some gravel or do a tight u turn in the wet. You don't necessarily have to do anything stupid to set it off.
I just adjust my driving style according to the conditions. Like the driving instructors always say, if you have to accelerate hard anywhere you shouldn't have gone, so if its a tight turn in the wet, or gravel, just adjust your driving accordingly and you still shouldn't need the system. That said, still doesn't hurt to have it :P