To start off here, im going to say, lets please not make this a war, and actually, help each other out :)

Im looking to upgrade my front brakes soon, and was looking at what TZABOY had on this car. 320mm Evo rotors, with a PBR twin piston caliper (off a Corvette, and some HSVs I believe).

However, I also research the idea of using Brembos off an evo. They apparantly bolt pretty much straight on.

So, what is better, the PBR, or the Brembo.

Althought the PBR is only twin pot, there pistons are quite large. Also, the caliper is new, whereas the Brembo would be second hand and need to be looked at.

Are Brembos that good ? Or, is there alot of money just for the name. Apparantly, the EVO boys dont tend to rate there brakes that high.

Opinions off all are welcome, but opinions from those who have experienced are wanted more.

Cheers Guys

To start off here, im going to say, lets please not make this a war, and actually, help each other out :)

Im looking to upgrade my front brakes soon, and was looking at what TZABOY had on this car. 320mm Evo rotors, with a PBR twin piston caliper (off a Corvette, and some HSVs I believe).

However, I also research the idea of using Brembos off an evo. They apparantly bolt pretty much straight on.

So, what is better, the PBR, or the Brembo.

Althought the PBR is only twin pot, there pistons are quite large. Also, the caliper is new, whereas the Brembo would be second hand and need to be looked at.

Are Brembos that good ? Or, is there alot of money just for the name. Apparantly, the EVO boys dont tend to rate there brakes that high.

Opinions off all are welcome, but opinions from those who have experienced are wanted more.

Cheers Guys

just remember with both you will need new rims as the offset is different so you can clear the rotors and calipers, also both have to be engineered as well. Both lots are being used on track so TZABOY and Ego are the ones to speak to about it. Also if you wont be doing track work a 380 front brake upgrade can be an idea as well as they dont require a different wheel they are a large twin piston unit and take the 294mm rotor i have them and they are great on the street i havent done any track work as of yet so i cant comment on what they are like on there.

EDIT: i can also get alcon brake kits to suit evo 7-9 hmmm 6-8piston and 380mm rotors! theres a thought

just remember with both you will need new rims as the offset is different so you can clear the rotors and calipers, also both have to be engineered as well. Both lots are being used on track so TZABOY and Ego are the ones to speak to about it. Also if you wont be doing track work a 380 front brake upgrade can be an idea as well as they dont require a different wheel they are a large twin piston unit and take the 294mm rotor i have them and they are great on the street i havent done any track work as of yet so i cant comment on what they are like on there.

EDIT: i can also get alcon brake kits to suit evo 7-9 hmmm 6-8piston and 380mm rotors! theres a thought

Thats one benefit of the PBR combo. Much easier to fit behind rims. The Brembos stick out like a mofo, and thus only a handfull of rims can fit them.

Ive seen the alcon brakes, and they are very very exxy.

Although. Justjap.com do an upgrade for the Evos for $2000. 8 piston Caliper, 330mm disk. If this bolts straight on to a Magna (pretty sure it does, as it bolts straight to an evo), this may also be an option.

Car will be seeing track time. Was even maybe considering entering the Supersprint Championship. Last years winner in cat 3 was an Integra Type R. Fastest wakefield laptime was a 1.12. So maybe, Magnas can be in with a chance :D

PBR is the OEM for mitsu as well IIRC - thats whats fitted to the ralliart/awd anyways.

I did the ralliart/AWD (same/similar as 380 I believe)front calliper upgrade on my old TF. They are a good improvement, you definitely feel the difference in stopping power. Having said that, if you plan any sort of track work, get something better, I had these fading a few times even on the street.

The VZ I have now is factory fitted with callipers TZABOY uses, these would stop allot better then the 380 setup and will work very well on a Magna (lighter). Very progressive with decent peddle feel (on my car anyway), but with my cars weight edging to just under 1700kg (1670kg from memory) they can be made to fade under hard conditions.

:)

they can be made to fade under hard conditions.

:)

Keep in mind that alot of times fade is determinded by the rotor and pad combination, not just the caliper.

I remember going from Bendix CTs to Bendix ultimates on my standard brakes helped to prevent fade occuring as quickly.

Justjap.com do an upgrade for the Evos for $2000. 8 piston Caliper, 330mm disk. If this bolts straight on to a Magna (pretty sure it does, as it bolts straight to an evo), this may also be an option.



$2k seem cheap.. Id say just jap are getting the brembos off the EVO as a trade for that money...

I went with Brembos for wank factor mainly.. and because i got told they wouldnt fit on my car without changing the wheels and i wanted to prove point..:)

I needed new rotors and pads bad and come across some Brembos..:) I wanted something that looked good as with my wheels you see everything.. My Bemebos stand out like a chick with 3xDDDs Breasts on her chest walking down Geaorge st in a mini skirt on a sat nite..:)


Put them on the track and i was gob smacked..:) They are amazing..:)

http://justjap.com/store/product.php?productid=16148&cat=285&page=1

Thers a link for the 8 pot brakes. They seem cheap to me aswell. However, they say there an "upgrade" to the Brembos.

I cant find much info on EVO guys using them, however, a few silvias seem to report good results.

i dunno about those g4 and d2 items that pop up on fleabay and whatnot seems to cheap to be true, personally id stick to the name brands when it comes to brakes.

i dunno about those g4 and d2 items that pop up on fleabay and whatnot seems to cheap to be true, personally id stick to the name brands when it comes to brakes.

They are mosly sold by Just Jap on Ebay. As for their quality, well, im not sure either.

Another option are these items sold by Tweakit.

http://www.tweakit.net/shop/product_info.php?cPath=326_424_513&products_id=5342

They are mosly sold by Just Jap on Ebay. As for their quality, well, im not sure either.

Another option are these items sold by Tweakit.

http://www.tweakit.net/shop/product_info.php?cPath=326_424_513&products_id=5342

yeah those look ok.... interesting bit about that one is that it takes the same pad as the AP racing calipers, wonder if they are just a rebadged unit of APs....

Funny thing is that they look very, very similar to the G4 types from Just Jap... hmmm.

May need to head down to Tweakit and have a word with them

I've gone down the route of the PBR fronts (which come with a 330mm front grooved DBA disc BTW - not 320) and rear Ralliart/AWD Magna calipers with the Ralliart/AWD Magna disc.

I was orginally gunna get a 2nd hand set of EVO6 Brembos/discs for front and rear, complete with a set of Enkei wheels which were known to clear the front calipers (which I too have been told by people who own Brembo equipped Magnas IS an issue). When the deal fell through I just found it was cheaper and easier to go for the PBR setup. Stopping power is supposed to be as good as Brembos, you can use ANY 17 or 18" rim (ie., don't have to look for specific spoke shaping to clear rotor), and they are OZ made (so they cheap and easy to rebuild when the time comes). To cap it off the supplier I used even red powder coated the Ralliart rears to macth the PBR fronts and supplied full set braided lines. Whilst I have yet to fit them (waiting for 18's to replace my 16's), I'm happy.

I've gone down the route of the PBR fronts (which come with a 330mm front grooved DBA disc BTW - not 320) and rear Ralliart/AWD Magna calipers with the Ralliart/AWD Magna disc.

I was orginally gunna get a 2nd hand set of EVO6 Brembos/discs for front and rear, complete with a set of Enkei wheels which were known to clear the front calipers (which I too have been told by people who own Brembo equipped Magnas IS an issue). When the deal fell through I just found it was cheaper and easier to go for the PBR setup. Stopping power is supposed to be as good as Brembos, you can use ANY 17 or 18" rim (ie., don't have to look for specific spoke shaping to clear rotor), and they are OZ made (so they cheap and easy to rebuild when the time comes). To cap it off the supplier I used even red powder coated the Ralliart rears to macth the PBR fronts and supplied full set braided lines. Whilst I have yet to fit them (waiting for 18's to replace my 16's), I'm happy.

So did you get PBR/330mm rotors + Ralliart rear rotors and calipers + full set of braided lines from Hoppers Stoppers??

I've gone down the route of the PBR fronts (which come with a 330mm front grooved DBA disc BTW - not 320) and rear Ralliart/AWD Magna calipers with the Ralliart/AWD Magna disc.

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Strange that. I got the email from Peter in front of me saying the rotors are 320mm by 32mm off an Evo :S.

Either way. Things are pushing me towards the PBR set, mainly for the rim issues, and the fact the Brembos will be second hand, most likely needing a rebuild

I did the ralliart/AWD (same/similar as 380 I believe)front calliper upgrade on my old TF. They are a good improvement, you definitely feel the difference in stopping power. Having said that, if you plan any sort of track work, get something better, I had these fading a few times even on the street.



The AWD/Ralliart front brakes are FINE for trackwork, IF you use the appropriate pad/rotor combo. There are guys in IPRA SA that were/still are running ralliart/awd brakes, or 380 brakes.

I have done numerous outings at Wakefield with the awd/raliart front brakes. First time I had EBC green and RDA slotted rotors. BAD fade, pads came off cracked and rotors horribly warped. Even with some sprited street driving they would fade pretty quickly.

Then I switched to Ferodo DS2500 and DBA4000 slotted rotors..done a few trackdays at Wakefield without any meaningful brakefade, that includes a couple of sessions where I stayed out for a full 15 mins and really punished them.

There is a world of difference between street pads and track-suitable pads...use crap street pads with brembos and they will still fade without much trouble.

Obviously I'd prefer to have Brembos or similar, as they will have better feel/modulation, but IMO the cost aint worth it, when the ralliar/awd brakes with the right pad/rotor combo hold up just fine. I decided I'd rather put that money towards other more important mods first, like the LSD.

Of course next time I hit Wakfield I will have considerably more power, so I may find the awd/ralliart brakes become more marginal. I may also have vastly better suspension, so once again this may mean extra grip under braking and therefore more load. But my feeling is they will still holdup fine. Though eventually I may look into upgrading to Brembos or similar.


Funny thing is that they look very, very similar to the G4 types from Just Jap... hmmm.

May need to head down to Tweakit and have a word with them

That's because they are, you'll find them sold under various different brands. Tread very carefully mate, $2000 for "8-piston" calipers rings alarm bells. You will most likely find the piston are tiny, and that the 8-piston thing is a marketting excercise.

I'm not saying they are definantely rubbish, they may well be good value for money. But definantely tread cautiously when we're talking a product as important as brakes that aren't yet proven. IMO don't even think about touching them if you can't at least get hold of some basic testimoney from other people who've had them for a while, used them on a track etc.

I have done numerous outings at Wakefield with the awd/raliart front brakes. First time I had EBC green and RDA slotted rotors. BAD fade,

Well that explains it, I had the exact same rotor/pad combo. lol

Well thats explains it, I had the exact same rotor/pad combo. lol

ive got dba 4000's with bendix ultimates ive fanged it a couple of times on the buckets way and inbetween walgett and port and no noticeable fade occuring.

So did you get PBR/330mm rotors + Ralliart rear rotors and calipers + full set of braided lines from Hoppers Stoppers??

Correct. Really nice high quality work & service

There is a world of difference between street pads and track-suitable pads...use crap street pads with brembos and they will still fade without much trouble.

And don't forget brake fluid quality too re fade. Big diff between road stuff and track stuff and how long it's been in your system. You get what you pay for here too.

The AWD/Ralliart front brakes are FINE for trackwork, IF you use the appropriate pad/rotor combo. There are guys in IPRA SA that were/still are running ralliart/awd brakes, or 380 brakes.

I have done numerous outings at Wakefield with the awd/raliart front brakes. First time I had EBC green and RDA slotted rotors. BAD fade, pads came off cracked and rotors horribly warped. Even with some sprited street driving they would fade pretty quickly.

Then I switched to Ferodo DS2500 and DBA4000 slotted rotors..done a few trackdays at Wakefield without any meaningful brakefade, that includes a couple of sessions where I stayed out for a full 15 mins and really punished them.

There is a world of difference between street pads and track-suitable pads...use crap street pads with brembos and they will still fade without much trouble.

Obviously I'd prefer to have Brembos or similar, as they will have better feel/modulation, but IMO the cost aint worth it, when the ralliar/awd brakes with the right pad/rotor combo hold up just fine. I decided I'd rather put that money towards other more important mods first, like the LSD.

Of course next time I hit Wakfield I will have considerably more power, so I may find the awd/ralliart brakes become more marginal. Also I will have vastly better suspension, so once again this may mean extra grip under braking and therefore more load. But my feeling is they will still holdup fine. Though eventually I may look into upgrading to Brembos or similar.



That's because they are, you'll find them sold under various different brands. Tread very carefully mate, $2000 for "8-piston" calipers rings alarm bells. You will most likely find the piston are tiny, and that the 8-piston thing is a marketting excercise.

I'm not saying they are definantely rubbish, they may well be good value for money. But definantely tread cautiously when we're talking a product as important as brakes that aren't yet proven. IMO don't even think about touching them if you can't at least get hold of some basic testimoney from other people who've had them for a while, used them on a track etc.

Using the price of a new Caliper, and Disk off the for sale forum, I worked out, it was about $1200 to fit Twin pot magna brakes to the fronts (thats using a good pad). For $500 more, the PBR combo looks mighty fine

Using the price of a new Caliper, and Disk off the for sale forum, I worked out, it was about $1200 to fit Twin pot magna brakes to the fronts (thats using a good pad). For $500 more, the PBR combo looks mighty fine


Use a second hand caliper and i reckon you can do it for half..:)

Use a second hand caliper and i reckon you can do it for half..:)

What about a second hand brembo Caliper ;)

And don't forget brake fluid quality too re fade. Big diff between road stuff and track stuff and how long it's been in your system. You get what you pay for here too.

Absolutely right, slipped my mind at the time:)

I highly recomend Motul RBF600 if you are gonna hit the track. You can get it from most motorbike shops, some performance shops stock it, or you can order it online. It's $25 per 500ml bottle, but well worth it. "Good" street fluid will boil easily on the track.



Using the price of a new Caliper, and Disk off the for sale forum, I worked out, it was about $1200 to fit Twin pot magna brakes to the fronts (thats using a good pad). For $500 more, the PBR combo looks mighty fine

Fair enough, in that case I'd go the PBR setup. I got my calipers for next to nothing, so it seems an easy choice for me.

Just an update on this. My Brembos arrived last week. Calipers are in good condition, however theres a slight paint peel on the front of them. These calipers have had very little use.

I also scored some disks from the seller, front disks are decent quality, rears are a bit cheaper I believe.

For just over a grand, all four calipers, all four disks and pads, the Brembo idea turned out to be cheaper than I first thought. Already spoke to an engineer, looks like it will cost about $400 for me to get them engineered. Need to speak to a brake place to get some braided lines made up however.

So for under 2g for a whole set, installed, im quite happy.

Now just got to find some rims, and some time to actually install the brakes.

Just an update on this. My Brembos arrived last week. Calipers are in good condition, however theres a slight paint peel on the front of them. These calipers have had very little use.

I also scored some disks from the seller, front disks are decent quality, rears are a bit cheaper I believe.

For just over a grand, all four calipers, all four disks and pads, the Brembo idea turned out to be cheaper than I first thought. Already spoke to an engineer, looks like it will cost about $400 for me to get them engineered. Need to speak to a brake place to get some braided lines made up however.

So for under 2g for a whole set, installed, im quite happy.

Now just got to find some rims, and some time to actually install the brakes.

That paint peel problem seems to be endemic to the Brembos - "Youa paya fora da calipers, you getta da painta for freea. Ay, waddaya want?".

Just an update on this. My Brembos arrived last week. Calipers are in good condition, however theres a slight paint peel on the front of them. These calipers have had very little use.

I also scored some disks from the seller, front disks are decent quality, rears are a bit cheaper I believe.

For just over a grand, all four calipers, all four disks and pads, the Brembo idea turned out to be cheaper than I first thought. Already spoke to an engineer, looks like it will cost about $400 for me to get them engineered. Need to speak to a brake place to get some braided lines made up however.

So for under 2g for a whole set, installed, im quite happy.

Now just got to find some rims, and some time to actually install the brakes.

Bloody hell, sounds like you scored yourself a fantastic deal, nice one Rob :)

That paint peel problem seems to be endemic to the Brembos.
No paint peeling on mine..:) like brand new..:)

No paint peeling on mine..:) like brand new..:)

Dam you. Paint on mine isnt to bad, but, perfect is better

Be prepared for a Pm or two in coming days but :)

from what i've read the peeling paint is usualy a sign of some hard track work or corrosion.

from what i've read the peeling paint is usualy a sign of some hard track work or corrosion.

Not quite. It seems the peeling paint just happens. Track work tends to make the calipers a darker colour, going from a nice, fresh bright red, to a darker red, and, when used alot, almost a brown colour

Not quite. It seems the peeling paint just happens. Track work tends to make the calipers a darker colour, going from a nice, fresh bright red, to a darker red, and, when used alot, almost a brown colour

this is correct...

paint peeling just happens... isnt from track work... dark red/brown colouring is from track work

Not quite. It seems the peeling paint just happens. Track work tends to make the calipers a darker colour, going from a nice, fresh bright red, to a darker red, and, when used alot, almost a brown colour

ahh that's right sorry i got mixed up,i blame lack of sleep lol

but thanks for correcting me