A mate of mine has got a TW and I was looking at it the other day noticing that the climate control area where the radio usually goes (mind blank on the proper name) is similarish to the TF whilst being a hell of a lot more stylish.

Is there any way to put that part of a TW into a TF without too much hassle?

Aren't the aircon controls and the stereo assembly in opposite positions to the TF?

Aren't the aircon controls and the stereo assembly in opposite positions to the TF?

they are yes

the climate is UNDER the radio double din hole in the TL / TW which as said is opposite way to the TF way.

isnt the climate control in the KF a big bulky unit that physically extends back into the dash?
on the t-k l/w its a much more compact unit and i would *imagine* the plugs and workings to be slightly different as the models rolled on?

the turn knobs are much more classy than the push buttons - but i always liked the LCD screen in the older 3rd gens..
apparently the later knob system will last longer as buttons deteriorate over time?

If you've got climate control (ie. if you have a Verada) and the connections for the climate control are the same, I don't see why you couldn't put a TL/W interior into a older 3rd gen, but the likelihood of those matching up perfectly, pretty small if you ask me although you'd imagine the actual unit itself behind the dash would be the same as all the previous 3rd gens, so perhaps it would work.

Try it and tell us perhaps?:P

The controls are completely different. TL/TW has an auto air controller, thats why its so much smaller in size. The TF is all manual. Swapping them is possible, but ridiculously hard to achieve, too many other parts need to be changed to make it work. Glad you like the fascia, that was one of mine. :D

sorry dood can not be done i have tried for a old client

TL/TW has an auto air controller
Explain the difference between this and KE-KJ Climate control? For those interested in knowing if it can be done to a CC car.

Explain the difference between this and KE-KJ Climate control? For those interested in knowing if it can be done to a CC car.

i think he means, that magnas do not have climate control at all (pre TL), and they have the old manual select of the heating switch - no actual "set at 25 degree's" kinda thing.


if the TL climate was going into another Verada that already has climate control, it might work - its got a better chance of getting it to work than if it was to go into a non climate controlled magna, but the plugs and sensors might have differed somewhat over the years just slightly? nothing a multimeter cant fix i spose....

i think he means, that magnas do not have climate control at all (pre TL), and they have the old manual select of the heating switch - no actual "set at 25 degree's" kinda thing.

if the TL climate was going into another Verada that already has climate control, it might work - its got a better chance of getting it to work than if it was to go into a non climate controlled magna, but the plugs and sensors might have differed somewhat over the years just slightly? nothing a multimeter cant fix i spose....
I understand that (pre TJII btw), I was just determining whether he was including the older climate control models in his statement. It makes perfect sense that the manual air conditioning in the older magnas wouldn't work, as the mechanics simply wouldn't line up even to do a retro fit into the TL climate dials.

Thinking about it logically though given the TL/TW's are almost the same as the TE/TJ as a physical car, there wouldn't really be an reason for the control unit itself to be any different, so unless they changed the plugs for whatever reason, it'd probably be straight forward, otherwise yeah a multimeter and a lot of wire matching lol

Glad you like the fascia, that was one of mine. :D


Are you saying you designed the climate controls for the TL/TW series magna?

I did the fascia, the controls were of the shelf vendor parts. I just had to make the whole thing fit in the space provided.

I did the fascia, the controls were of the shelf vendor parts. I just had to make the whole thing fit in the space provided.
This is no man... we are in the presence of a god :pray:

I did the fascia, the controls were of the shelf vendor parts. I just had to make the whole thing fit in the space provided.


are they the same ones that were used in the commodore?

So has anyone figured this out? I'm quite interested in the same, as my climate control in my TF now is not lighting up. Hard to use at night and can't even find the location of the bulbs/globes nor can I get to it. But a new fascia, I'm really interested in!

Please do a search - the topic of fitting a TL/TW centre console has discussed multiple times. I have written down the instructions on how to do the conversion about 2-3 times already.

I'm not sure how you have climate control in your TF unless you have a KF verada or a climate conversion was done. No Magna's prior to the TJ's got Climate control from factory - only the Verada's did. Either way there is way to replace the bulbs without needing to replace the unit.

Please do a search - the topic of fitting a TL/TW centre console has discussed multiple times. I have written down the instructions on how to do the conversion about 2-3 times already.

I'm not sure how you have climate control in your TF unless you have a KF verada or a climate conversion was done. No Magna's prior to the TJ's got Climate control from factory - only the Verada's did. Either way there is way to replace the bulbs without needing to replace the unit.

Please go easy, he has clearly done a search, found this thread and asked a question, is not a thread mine

For those interested

J and H series with climate factory, can be used with a simple mod, the auto fan speed will play up but who cares, just use manual fan speed if it annoys you
F and E series, CAN NOT be used even with climate control as the air con control set up is totally different, all functions EXCEPT the air con will work

Please go easy, he has clearly done a search, found this thread and asked a question, is not a thread mine

For those interested

J and H series with climate factory, can be used with a simple mod, the auto fan speed will play up but who cares, just use manual fan speed if it annoys you
F and E series, CAN NOT be used even with climate control as the air con control set up is totally different, all functions EXCEPT the air con will work


Cheers. All I need to know is what mods will I need to do if I want to put a TL ES centre console (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/190678817857?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649) into a TF Magna.

Do the wirings match? Asking because TF hazards are on the left and air con on top and the TL, basically opposites.

You will need the main front loom, main cross loom under the dash, a heap of wiring mods or to save that all of the looms down both sides just to begin with

Then there will be the issue of SRS as the J will complain bitterly if the SRS is left out of the car, you will need ECU, BEM, Keys etc etc. Is a huge job, how do I know? I did all of this to my TE, has full TW wiring from end to end

You will need the main front loom, main cross loom under the dash, a heap of wiring mods or to save that all of the looms down both sides just to begin with

Then there will be the issue of SRS as the J will complain bitterly if the SRS is left out of the car, you will need ECU, BEM, Keys etc etc. Is a huge job, how do I know? I did all of this to my TE, has full TW wiring from end to end

Lol. Excellent job! I probably won't look into it that much then. Maybe some other time.

You will need the main front loom, main cross loom under the dash, a heap of wiring mods or to save that all of the looms down both sides just to begin with

Then there will be the issue of SRS as the J will complain bitterly if the SRS is left out of the car, you will need ECU, BEM, Keys etc etc. Is a huge job, how do I know? I did all of this to my TE, has full TW wiring from end to end

so basicaly its a big job

my advice, mal will do a climate control conversion for $300 or so(i may be wrong)

or DIY It, PM magna_vrx_turbo as he has done this

The labour cost alone for a climate conversion is $350 plus the parts, issue here is that the person has a TF, the KF loom needed will not allow the climate to run in regards to the aircon so at very least it is a complete loom change to a later model, J series is best in this case as then the owner does not need to add the pre tensioned seat belts, seat air bags etc etc.

I know this is an old discussion but I have an TJ2 AWD and would like to switch the centre fascia to the new one so as to raise the radio din area as I have a sat nah fitted and would like it sitting up higher...

Would this be doable without much expense?