I was putting along happily last night, suddenly I hear a small noise, i assume my front scraped on something. I Start preparing to stop for the red light up ahead, place my foot on the brake pedal and my foot sinks straight to the floor, my face goes :shock: as my life flashes before my eyes (not really) car has lost about 95% of its braking power!
I eventually come to a stop. Jump out and look around. turns out my front passengers brake line is cut and bleeding pressure. No problems at all, i make my way home and inspect it.. and find that the brake line has a nice clean slice in it.

Does this look normal to you guys? I don't even see how a hose like this could get damaged, they are thick and have layers of threading, as well as that springy thing around it to protect it. And there is nothing around for it to get jammed on.

This doesn't look like a wear and tear thing to me? I don't know, what do you guys think? Am i paranoid or is this normal.

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looks dodgy as to me g,

piss anyone off lately?

umm...a bit suss?!!!!!!! then again, had you stopped before then?

Man, I don't about you, but no line just breaks clean like that, unless you went over something narrow and sharp which sliced through the line. To me that looks deliberately cut. Pissed off any ex's recently? Had any disagreements with anyone recently that might think about doing that?

Unless of couse you did just drive over something sharp which might have flicked up and cut it, but thats still aweful clean. :redface:

Did it stop you in time for the lights, or did you have to use the handbrake to pull it up in time? I'm curious.

believe it or not if the brake line is getting a bit old and deteoriating then they can sometimes break like that, grab part of the remaining line and bent it, if cracks form around the outside of the bend then you've just struck some bad luck. If it was cut then the fibers wouldn't be sticking out like they are shown in the photo unless the outer layer was cut and left to pop.

if there were closer/clearer pix of the line on the actual break i could be more of assistance.

No i haven't pissed anyone off lately, i don't have any enemies, I don't really have a reason for anyone to do this.. which is why i think it isn't deliberate.

that along with the following factors support my theory:
-I was driving around for an hour with no issues and no loss of brake pressure. I happened when i heard that small noise.
-with the front bar and lip, it makes it extremely difficult to get underneath the car, someones head could not fit and getting two hands in there to find the hose and cut it would be very awkward and almost impossible given its position behind the wheel.

But yes it does look very suss. and now you guys are worrying me!!

Break a window, key my car, but someone try and kill me?! thats extreme.... haha

believe it or not if the brake line is getting a bit old and deteoriating then they can sometimes break like that, grab part of the remaining line and bent it, if cracks form around the outside of the bend then you've just struck some bad luck. If it was cut then the fibers wouldn't be sticking out like they are shown in the photo unless the outer layer was cut and left to pop.

if there were closer/clearer pix of the line on the actual break i could be more of assistance.

yea, that makes sense.

I get that hoses deteriorate, but this is a pretty important hose. I don't see how it would fail or can be expected to fail ever. I wouldn't expect it to be something that was made with the knowledge of it eventually wearing down like radiator hoses which eventually need to be replaced.

that's how i'd see it. but you could and probably are right. I put the car back together now and won't be able to check the rest of the line for breaks until i replace it

ta

Maybe Omar isn't satisfied with the free VRX exhaust we picked up from you the other week? lol

Kidding :P

ARS55 sounds like he knows his stuff, send him some higher res pics perhaps and get a proper verdict. If you'd be driving for an hour it probably wasn't someone deliberately trying to kill you lol, unless of course they just weakened it so it didn't look deliberate? Who knows.

What they won't count is all of Vic AMC on the job if we find out someone did it deliberately, even the thought that someone trying to mess up one of our almighty Magnas is sickening....oh and of course its driver! lol

No i haven't pissed anyone off lately, i don't have any enemies, I don't really have a reason for anyone to do this.. which is why i think it isn't deliberate.

that along with the following factors support my theory:
-I was driving around for an hour with no issues and no loss of brake pressure. I happened when i heard that small noise.
-with the front bar and lip, it makes it extremely difficult to get underneath the car, someones head could not fit and getting two hands in there to find the hose and cut it would be very awkward and almost impossible given its position behind the wheel.

But yes it does look very suss. and now you guys are worrying me!!

Break a window, key my car, but someone try and kill me?! thats extreme.... haha

oh dude, if you were driving around for an hour before then i wouldnt be worried, probably just the line getting old. I wouldn't stress about it. just make sure the other side isnt as worn as this one and swap over. I wonder if regularly greasing the rubber would help prevent this...

I'm with rhys on this one...Walking frames and bedpans away!!!!!lol

That is very oddly clean, but as said if you were driving around before this happened unlikely it was deliberate.

G, maybe you've pissed some people off on the forum with your posts that are sometimes laced with sarcasm :P

I have another question, did your brake fail light display on the dash? Correct me if I'm wrong, but thats based purely on the pressure in the lines (well brake pressure in general) isn't it?

I'd **** myself quite genuinely if that happened to me, my handbrake can't pull the car up either atm:shock:

Gerard

Can you remember where it was parked before you drove off. Is there brake fluid on the ground?

Blake

Lugo: hahaha! damn omar, oh well, he was bound to find out eventually that i gave him a couple of milo tins welded together.
the brake light came on a little while after i lost pressure. hand brake light.

Mohit: yes, my bland sense of humor that only i find hilarious has probably gotten to some people and would like me dead. but death will not stop my pointless posts! Ashneel will follow in my foot steps.

MyTF: it was parked at glen waverly in front of lucky cup.. too much various oil there to know if it's mine.

That is very oddly clean, but as said if you were driving around before this happened unlikely it was deliberate.

hmmm looking at it for a bit, now if it has broken itself from the hose being old and whatnot it could bust that easily given the presure that they deal with, you could always go for braided lines now and if it was someone who had tampered with it will take them a bit longer to hack through it.

hmmm looking at it for a bit, now if it has broken itself from the hose being old and whatnot it could bust that easily given the presure that they deal with, you could always go for braided lines now and if it was someone who had tampered with it will take them a bit longer to hack through it.
oh thats great news, my new lines will take my murderer a couple of extra minutes to do his work.

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Also, im not saying you're wrong AR55 (how did he manage to get a nik that bypasses the swear filter), but if the rubber had worn out, wouldnt the fibres hold it together for a while, they are metal fibres. the whole line is re enforced, rubber and metal..


hmmmmmmmm

Lugo: hahaha! damn omar, oh well, he was bound to find out eventually that i gave him a couple of milo tins welded together.
the brake light came on a little while after i lost pressure. hand brake light.

Mohit: yes, my bland sense of humor that only i find hilarious has probably gotten to some people and would like me dead. but death will not stop my pointless posts! Ashneel will follow in my foot steps.

MyTF: it was parked at glen waverly in front of lucky cup.. too much various oil there to know if it's mine.

Gerard

Your car looks great in your ads. It's very unique, might be attracting unwanted attention. There are some people out there who defy logic in that sense. Yet I have seen hoses fracture like that but more from being perished, not on a young car like yours.

I wonder if all the cars were done in that area. Check with the police?

take care glad you aren't hurt.

Gerard

Your car looks great in your ads. It's very unique, might be attracting unwanted attention. There are some people out there who defy logic in that sense. Yet I have seen hoses fracture like that but more from being perished, not on a young car like yours.

I wonder if all the cars were done in that area. Check with the police?

take care glad you aren't hurt.

thanks for the good words mate, you brought up a good point, I better go check my sis' car, she parks outside next to mine

Gerard brother, from those images alone it looks suspicious, the cut seems to clean and accurate to have happened over time from what i can tell and as other have pointed out your car is dammn nice and sticks out, maybe someone was jealous and decided to be a prick about it?

Eitherway im glad your fine, Keep your eyes peeled in the next couple of days, if it was deliberate they might come back and do more damage, overall crazy world we live in :S

did you have any spongeyness in the brake pedal before it let go?

Was there anything that was wrapped aroung the cv shaft that could have caught and tore the line? juts throwing some ideas, the fact that you heard a noise before you lost brake pressure, makes me think it was just bad luck and somthing you ran over.....

Still quite puzzling..... Hmmmmmm

did you have any spongeyness in the brake pedal before it let go?

Was there anything that was wrapped aroung the cv shaft that could have caught and tore the line? juts throwing some ideas, the fact that you heard a noise before you lost brake pressure, makes me think it was just bad luck and somthing you ran over.....

Still quite puzzling..... Hmmmmmm

spongyness happened immediately after the noise and lost brake pressure at once, no build up to it

I found the springy cover was wrapped around the driveshaft when this happened, and i had to rip it right off. I assumed it fell off and got caught on the driveshaft after the line cut. But now that you mention it, it could have got caught first, been pulled and cut the line?! that is a possibility

but again, that spring was designed to protect the damn line not cut it, so i dont know how it could have suddenly got caught.

big, fat Hmmmmmmm indeed guys

Also, im not saying you're wrong AR55 (how did he manage to get a nik that bypasses the swear filter), but if the rubber had worn out, wouldnt the fibres hold it together for a while, they are metal fibres. the whole line is re enforced, rubber and metal..

if the brake line has been in that way for a while then the metal fibers would have been exposed to air and water (if it has rained or puddles on the road etc...) metal corrodes and becomes weak, eventually comes to braking point and bang there you go.

I'm sticking with my theory on this, as an example, next time you are at a wrecking yard grab a brake line on a car that has it's wheels off and pull it hard (would be easier with an older car) and i can almost guarantee that it will snap in the same fashion. If you do this with a newer car then the line will tear along before it breaks completely due to it being stretchy, there are a number of thing that could've made that line deteoriate quicker than it should have.

Also for the people that are saying that brake lines don't just brake, they do, it's called a 'manafacturer fault' sometimes things just don't come out of the factory as they were meant to. not saying that all magna's will have this same problem but it could have just been a bad batch of lines or mabey just yours. It happens with car companies all the time, they recall the cars and fix the problem if they can narrow it down to a certain batch or just fix the entire fleet of cars from a certain date to current.

EDIT: i think that spring would've come off after the line broke, sometime on your drive home.

i'm with ARS55 on this one. I though it was the first time you braked and it sent all sloppy, then definatelydodgey, but it's probably just a dried up line.

i told you to pay and you didnt so i wanted you to pay with your life.. obviously i failed. ill get you next time


lol @ fitting a head under your front bar. cant even get my feet under that snow plow


but dont worry G. worst comes to worst if it happens again you will hit something depending on speed there might be injuries big deal... Gerard...good guy

I have another question, did your brake fail light display on the dash? Correct me if I'm wrong, but thats based purely on the pressure in the lines (well brake pressure in general) isn't it?


Brake system warning lamp will illuminate when the brake fluid level in the reservoir falls to a low level. :)

good excuse to get some braided lines on that thing. :D

Thanks guys for your support and advice, ar55's theory makes the most sense, plus who would want to kill lil ol g?.. :shifty:

cheers guys!

Thanks guys for your support and advice, ar55's theory makes the most sense, plus who would want to kill lil ol g?.. :shifty:

cheers guys!


Does not make sense at all.

Something lying on the road (piece of wire, cord, string, rope, nylon ... who knows what) wrapped around drive shaft, end of it somehow caught that spring look-alike thing around brake hose and it got it wrapped around drive shaft as well. In the process it cut through the brake hose, end of story, nothing mysterious there.
Sometimes I find piece of thin wire or nylon wrapped around drive shaft.

Theory about wear does not stand at all, it is nine years old car (my car is 1999 model too and I don't consider it old). Hands up how many people had to change their brake hoses?
I believe none, those who fitted braided hoses does not count.
If there was (theoretically) quality problem hose would rupture but would not brake in half.

Magna has two independent circuits which are split diagonally, the left hand front and the right hand rear brakes are connected in one circuit while the right hand front and the left hand rear brakes are connected in the other circuit. If a malfunction occur in one circuit, the remaining circuit is capable of stopping the vehicle safely. :)

Damn i failed at my attempt to kill you!! lol


Yeah that looks way to clean cut to be a fault. Lucky you didn't hurt yourself or anyone else.

ummm cant you read? i already posted that it was me trying to kill him...back off my killing boy


Damn i failed at my attempt to kill you!! lol


Yeah that looks way to clean cut to be a fault. Lucky you didn't hurt yourself or anyone else.

ummm cant you read? i already posted that it was me trying to kill him...back off my killing boy
:bowrofl: i only read the first post.

Lets just say we both did try to kill him :badgrin:

Looks lyk teh suspeks

Tell ya what... next time you want to go get Happy Cup and go for a drive.. we're takin me mazda3! Lol...

Gotta love being under your car on the side of the road with some pliers! Good times!

i reckon you should let the coppers know about it and get some forensics type guy to have a look at it.

Lets just say we both did try to kill him :badgrin:

You forgot me! :cool:

Sounds bad, but also good, that no accident occurred!
I have had some pretty old (20+ yrs) cars in my life, never seen anything like that. Manufacturing fault or accident on road or - sabotage.

Report to cops? Hehehehe, and why? What would they do - was anyone speeding???