hello AMC

i have a tip tronic right, and i love every now and then using it, (1st gear high revs)

but my mate does it constantly :nuts:

is this bad? his doing 30-60 first..

btw mine hits 95 :D haha is that **** or good btw?

essence of the issue: why is thrashing bad? what can this lead to?

Driving it hard just puts additional wear and tear on the car that isn't necessary. I usually get upto about 30-35 in first depending on how hard I accelerate, shouldn't really do any harm if you maintain everything.

Redlining it all the time isn't going to be any good for it though, especially if its cold.

Btw 95 is bloody quick in first, I've hit 75 in mine, don't make a habit of it though.

can someone also tell me if they have a 2000 verada xi (fully optioned) ON LPG

can it be done!!

please help:confused:

95 and redlining it haha

i dont, i love my car :)

Put it this way, would you buy a car knowing it's been thrashed?

i think that'll answer you question

:bowrofl: it's built for some thrashing =D

Being an Australian car the Magna is designed to be driven harshly, however there are limits... so mostly I will only trash it when somebody wants to play lights, or late at night when I'm pulling in to my street on the way home from work.

Shifts while trashing are around:
60 @ 6k to 2nd
90 @ 6k to 3rd

Then I'll stop accellerating.

Im a bit of a hoon at heart, no doubt thrashing isnt good for it, but I actually believe its not nearly as bad as many people make it out to be. I think nearly everyone who doesnt thrash their cars who knew how hard I pushed my old car, even just once, would probably think my car would be knackered after one drive.

However it got driven like that for more than 2.5 years, and it was still going top nick, apart from some noisy lifters when cold, though this is a not to hard expense to fix and kind of normal for those engines and at 150,000km.

My main rules are,
1.drive it very gently when cold.
2. Make sure you use good quality oil and change regularly and keep topped up.
3. Dont do dumb un-fun things. ie. Sure push the engine its fun, but the fun in wrenching the manual into the next gear really quick is just going to wreck the syncromesh and a slow gear change isnt going to spoil much fun 99% of the time.

Ollie

Totally agree Ollie, warm engines can go to redline*, but will suffer if held there. And as for racing gear changes, They can be justified....if you have a race clutch and a purpose built gear box....

I change before 3,000 RPM when its cold and avoid uphill climbs when dead cold.

* I reckon this kind of driving will shorten the life of the engine. So if you do it regularly, you may lose 20% or more engine life. So instead of Die around 300,000 expect 240,000 or thereabouts.
My reasoning is based on RPM's used per distances travelled.

Perhaps the question is what is the ideal time to shift gear taking into account HP/torque @ certain RPM's to get the fastest acceleration. Taking your engine mods into consideration.

can someone also tell me if they have a 2000 verada xi (fully optioned) ON LPG

can it be done!!


I haven't got a verada on LPG but I have a TL plus a TJ AWD on LPG with no problems on LPG. Have also had a TE on LPG with no dramas.

Shifts while trashing are around:
60 @ 6k to 2nd
90 @ 6k to 3rd
90km/h @ 6000rpm in 2nd? I'd be doing 140 if I red lined 2nd :confused:

90km/h @ 6000rpm in 2nd? I'd be doing 140 if I red lined 2nd :confused:

Ditto

First runs out of puff around 50-60 anyway, why push it harder than when it reaches its peak power..?

I agree with what the other guys have said. If you baby it while cold, service it regularly, and don't actually hold it at redline (no burnouts!), then there's nothing wrong with giving it a 'trash' here and there. It's too boring otherwise :P

I'll give it a bit here and there - I don't think it's going to do any major harm to the car. I baby it most of the time anyway, so it probably balances itself out in the end.

First runs out of puff around 50-60 anyway, why push it harder than when it reaches its peak power..?
cos they are waiting for VTEC to kick in yo!

90km/h @ 6000rpm in 2nd? I'd be doing 140 if I red lined 2nd :confused:
Manual gearbox

cos they are waiting for VTEC to kick in yo!
They're lucky they didn't blow the welds outta the intake manifold... granny shifting and not double clutching like they should... nawwwwwwwwwwws etc.

I agree with what the other guys have said. If you baby it while cold, service it regularly, and don't actually hold it at redline (no burnouts!), then there's nothing wrong with giving it a 'trash' here and there. It's too boring otherwise :P

I'll give it a bit here and there - I don't think it's going to do any major harm to the car. I baby it most of the time anyway, so it probably balances itself out in the end.

I'm with you, i drive like a grandma (i get 10.8 around town for the fuel comsumption:D ) . i tend to give it a bit, only a little, not all the time. i've red lined it one and once only but its never been to he limiter.

constantly thrashing a car is not good for the engine (along with the whole safetly on the road thing too - wont go into that, we all know it)

however, IMO its good to get the revs up nice and high every now and then to 'blow the cobwebs out' so to speak, and help prevent the bores from glazing up.
that said, it doesnt need to go right the way round to the redline..

thrash the car constantly and when its cold, you will definately shorten the engines lifespan, but do it 'smartly' (for lack of a better word considering) when the engine is warm/ at operating temp and with regular servicing damage should be minimal.
but just because the redline is there, doesnt mean it needs to be hit on every gearchange...

(i found also, that the needle in my car will swing PAST the redline and the engine kept on going.... i expected there to be a fuel cutout or similar there to stop you killing the engine. needless to say it quickly got tippyd up 2 gears to get the needle away from the redline. 5spd awd.. only did that once.)

thrashing is good for your car

Manual gearbox
profile says auto...

(i found also, that the needle in my car will swing PAST the redline and the engine kept on going.... i expected there to be a fuel cutout or similar there to stop you killing the engine. needless to say it quickly got tippyd up 2 gears to get the needle away from the redline. 5spd awd.. only did that once.)

If I give mine the boot, the auto won't shift until about 6300rpm

If I give mine the boot, the auto won't shift until about 6300rpm

if i just plant my foot right down, and keep it there, the tacho will swing to the redline on each shift - well, it shifts maybe a a couple rpm short of the redline.
obv you can only do that change maybe twice before you are speeding...

the annoying thing i found, is that when your upping it for the rent (lol) the auto seems to shift a whole lot smoother and faster than if your just in 'granny mode' trying to drive economically around town.
like seriously... wtf is with that!?

the annoying thing i found, is that when your upping it for the rent (lol) the auto seems to shift a whole lot smoother and faster than if your just in 'granny mode' trying to drive economically around town.
like seriously... wtf is with that!?

Well that obviously proves that thrashing IS good for your car :D It wants you to do it! lol

if i just plant my foot right down, and keep it there, the tacho will swing to the redline on each shift - well, it shifts maybe a a couple rpm short of the redline.
obv you can only do that change maybe twice before you are speeding...

the annoying thing i found, is that when your upping it for the rent (lol) the auto seems to shift a whole lot smoother and faster than if your just in 'granny mode' trying to drive economically around town.
like seriously... wtf is with that!?

Twice would see me over 140 :P Probably best not to do that on my p's...

can someone also tell me if they have a 2000 verada xi (fully optioned) ON LPG

can it be done!!


OK, which question is being asked here:

1. Can Veradas be run on LPG?
2. Should I flog my Verada which is running on LPG?

Also, What "Options" were available on the 2000 Xi? Or am I just being dragged down to the n00b/tard level here?

can someone also tell me if they have a 2000 verada xi (fully optioned) ON LPG

can it be done!!

please help:confused:

I'm close.
I would see no reason why not.
My 98 KF xi is on LPG.

A few pointers tho':
1. If you can afford it; get injected gas. It's not cheap (in fact it's really quite expensive, generally just a bit less than twice the cost of standard gas) but it IS worth it.
2. If you do get normal gas (as you're likely to do if you don't have money to burn) be 100% certain that your installer will use the LARGE mixer of your desired brand. Identifiable on the mixer itself (silver circle thing under the bonnet) where there will be a little embossed "X" (for small) or "L" (for large) on the top just forwards of where the hose comes out.
3. Take it to a good place that has a dyno and proper tuning equipment and will install and tune a programmable chip for you. It will probably cost you a few hundred extra but it IS worth it.

I found out all these things the hard way at the AMC SA dyno day on the weekend. I scored 15 - 20 kw less than I should have (given all of my other mods) ON PETROL (because of the restriction imposed by the in-flow standard gas installation on the intake). On gas my car went dangerously lean at anything over 3800 RPM and continued to lean out all the way up to the high end and maxed out at some sadly low power (96kw ATW vs 113kw on petrol).

Also, What "Options" were available on the 2000 Xi? Or am I just being dragged down to the n00b/tard level here?
Electric Sunroof. Can't thrash one that doesn't have all the options:P

OK, which question is being asked here:

1. Can Veradas be run on LPG?
2. Should I flog my Verada which is running on LPG?

Also, What "Options" were available on the 2000 Xi? Or am I just being dragged down to the n00b/tard level here?

I went with "can it be run on LPG" = yes.
But I can answer: "can it be thrashed" = yes; I do it most days.

As for options on an Xi, can't 100% comment for the 2000 model (whatever that is) but on the KF I beleive the only option was the sunroof. (except perhaps if you count dealer extras. (eg. paint protection etc.)

its called the "italian tuneup". its also good cause i've herd of engines that have been babied all there life and the guy plants it and cause of the buildup and the extra revving the piston gets stuck in the top of the cylinder and rips it out.

cause i've herd of engines that have been babied all there life and the guy plants it and cause of the buildup and the extra revving the piston gets stuck in the top of the cylinder and rips it out.

:nuts:

:nuts:

its called throwing a rod its when the piston gets jammed in the cylinder and the rod breaks cause of all the crap that gets stuck in the top of the cylinder. i bet ur thinking hardons. :bowrofl:

Thrashing a car is pretty much the most overrated downside to a car that i always keep hearing. Thrashing a car, ie, taking it to redline often, being agressive with gearchanges (manual), and throwing it around corners is not that bad, provided, you take the correct steps.

Things like very regular engine oil changes, with a good quality filter + good quality oil
Waiting for engine to warm up correctly (just because the needle is in the middle dosnt mean the engine is at operating temperature yet)
Regular gearbox oil changes
Running correct tyre pressures
Not running old shocks
etc

The problem comes when people "thrash" there car, and follow factory servicing, dont follow common sense things (like slowing down at speed humps), and knowing limits to there car.

Electric Sunroof. Can't thrash one that doesn't have all the options:P

AFAIK Sunroof was standard on Xi's from KH+

Hence me asking how this guys Xi was "fully optioned" when there were no options....

Im just being picky....

AFAIK Sunroof was standard on Xi's from KH+

Hence me asking how this guys Xi was "fully optioned" when there were no options....

Im just being picky....
What about the "tow pack"? lol It reminds me of the 89 DA LTD having 2 blanks on the dash. They were there for the 2 only available options... Metallic paint and the tow pack. :D

By the way... This is a stupid thread. My 2 cents.

AFAIK Sunroof was standard on Xi's from KH+
Sunroof was Optional on KH and KJ Xi's, think it might have been standard on the KL's, but don't quote me on it.


By the way... This is a stupid thread. My 2 cents.
:stoopid:

profile says auto...

Profiles have been wrong before. And those shift points are about right on for a manaul magna, so meh.

Sunroof was Optional on KH and KJ Xi's, think it might have been standard on the KL's, but don't quote me on it.

Ill quote you on it :P

Sunroof was optional on KE Xi and KF Xi.. Standard on KH Xi, KJ Xi, KL Xi and KW Xi.. I dont beleive it was an option on any of the Ei models?

Sure, go ahead and flog the beast - just have your wallet open when the rubber band (aka cam belt) breaks!!

NOTE: Magradas were made for family men, or oldies who wear cardigans!

Want a hoon car? Steal a V6 commodore or get a WRX!!

Flogging is BAD! MMMKAY????

Flogging is BAD! MMMKAY????

id prefer a trashed and maintained car than a babyd one which has not been maintained

id prefer a trashed and maintained car than a babyd one which has not been maintained
Race it, break it, fix it, repeat. :)

" there is no options" everythings standard

well whatver my point is

people saying too many electrics and i dont believe them

i need LPG :|

yeah mines auto and i get 95 redlining from 1st to 2nd

cheers

Because I mostly travel short distances, I'll let mine idle down to about 1000rpm, then take it easy until it's at operating temp.

I might lean on her pretty hard once or twice a week, but generally I'd be lucky to see 2500rpm.

I tend to be a bit intensive with maintainance though; I've owned my car for 7000km and have changed the engine oil 3 times lol

Another stupid thread...

Please stop making these & please reconsider hitting that submit reply button