For those interested, they are ROH Flare (chrome) available in both 18" and 19" but they are also available in silver (IMO looks better too)

At a quick google for them they are about $1k, for rims only, in 18" and $1500 for 19", in chrome.

Here they are in silver
http://www.tyrepowermorley.com/images/gallery/380%20L.JPG

chrome looks hot imoa

I've actually done some looking around and found these rims in chrome 18" with tires for $2200 which when you consider that the tires for an 18" rim semi decent tires mind you not cheep crap would run around $150-$200 per tire which is $600 for the tires isn't such a bad deal.

I'm thinking about it but it's a toss up between the new tires, rims and lowered springs (tires are due for replacement btw front anwyay) or i get the extractors installed i'm not sure which way i intend to go right now....more power or bling....sigh decision decisions i figure if i can get the whole lot for $2500 i might just snap it on up.

I've actually done some looking around and found these rims in chrome 18" with tires for $2200 which when you consider that the tires for an 18" rim semi decent tires mind you not cheep crap would run around $150-$200 per tire which is $600 for the tires isn't such a bad deal.

I'm thinking about it but it's a toss up between the new tires, rims and lowered springs (tires are due for replacement btw front anwyay) or i get the extractors installed i'm not sure which way i intend to go right now....more power or bling....sigh decision decisions i figure if i can get the whole lot for $2500 i might just snap it on up.
Go the bling/tyres, you will need them if you start bolting extractors on. :badgrin:

I've actually done some looking around and found these rims in chrome 18" with tires

I'd consider going the 19"s. The 18"s look too close, in size, to the factory 17"s and a few of the 18" buyers have regretted it (from what has been mentioned in other threads)

Go extractors!

Did a walk-in/how much today - the silver has been discontinued :( making them only available in chrome. (19"@$345ea, rims only)

What they did say was that the offset is only available in +35 and they 'should' fit.

According to them, the 380 offset is +46.

I've seen a black 380 SX with them in 19" chrome. Looks quite good.

roh make awesome wheels, good designs

my new favourite is the mantis

roh make awesome wheels, good designs

my new favourite is the mantis

Funny you mention that, I've also seen another 380 with those. lol

I'm starting to think that these car may be dealer pimped up models to attract buyers. :doubt:

Nice rims. How good do the 380's look with bigger wheels! Interested to see what they look like in chrome but im sure the silver/machined look would look better

roh make awesome wheels, good designs

my new favourite is the mantis

i have a feeling they are the rims on MRBISHI's car, they look effen awesome!@

I saw Mantis' on the bright green 380's that were floating around..........or maybe it was just the one going everywhere

19"s on 380's are tiny. The wheelarch's look like tunnel entry's. 20"s minimum :P

Did a walk-in/how much today - the silver has been discontinued :( making them only available in chrome. (19"@$345ea, rims only)

What they did say was that the offset is only available in +35 and they 'should' fit.

According to them, the 380 offset is +46.

i got them in 19s chrome 35 offset, they fit no probs. check out my profile pic. but there sitting in the garage now cause im paranoid abt scratching em. back to 19" vapors. :(

I have a set of these in chrome - 18" on my TF. Saw the pics of the TMR380 concept and fell in luf.
Paid $1.8k (from memory) inc decent rubber for them about 6 months ago. Unsure of the offset but they look borderline legal when fitted.
See profile for pic :)

...but there sitting in the garage now cause im paranoid abt scratching em. back to 19" vapors. :(

Ha. Know what you mean. I scratched one of my brand new wheels within two days of fitting..grrr.

Amazing how much prices for the bigger rims have come down these days. Whereas 19s were once quite pricey and 20s were out of the question, 20s are now within (fairly) easy purchasing range.
I agree with the comment about 380 wheel arches resembling tunnel entrances, just in that the 380 has a very large rear section, almost like a hatch/coupe, and would make 18s look tiny. I'm planning 20s in the near future.

good news there is still atleast 10 tmr380 yet to be built as they havent been transported from tonsley park to tmr.

Did a walk-in/how much today - the silver has been discontinued :( making them only available in chrome. (19"@$345ea, rims only)

What they did say was that the offset is only available in +35 and they 'should' fit.

According to them, the 380 offset is +46.


The ROH 18,s will make your car unroadworthy ... they have the wrong offsets the 19,s are available from mitsubishi as you can see by my pic .... put are painful to buy ... i was told about them when i brought my 380 in december and had mits get me a set of the TMR380 rims

Hi Guys Just thought I would update you, Since I'm not a fan of chrome. But love the tmr380 wheels. I asked my local tyre guy to order a set of 18" in silver. He was told that they don't make them in silver anymore.

So if anyone knows where I could get a set, could you pm me and let me know.

The ROH 18,s will make your car unroadworthy ...ROH dont make a retail version thats LEGAL for the 380 they have the wrong offsets the 18,s and 19,s you can get are ford wheels the 19,s that are available from mitsubishi are special / custom wheels made for TMR Australia and are only 19'' chrome you can see by my pic .... put are painful to buy ... i was told about them when i brought my 380 in december and had mits get me a set of the TMR380 rims ... the wheels you see in the opening pic of this forum post would render your insurance void if you were involved in an accident

The ROH 18,s will make your car unroadworthy ...ROH dont make a retail version thats LEGAL for the 380 they have the wrong offsets the 18,s and 19,s you can get are ford wheels the 19,s that are available from mitsubishi are special / custom wheels made for TMR Australia and are only 19'' chrome you can see by my pic .... put are painful to buy ... i was told about them when i brought my 380 in december and had mits get me a set of the TMR380 rims ... the wheels you see in the opening pic of this forum post would render your insurance void if you were involved in an accident
If what you are saying is correct, I would say just about every person on this forum with aftermarket wheels is breaking the law as most 17/18/19 inch rims have an offset less than 46. My rims are either 35 or 38 offset and I drive the car on the road every day so I dont see how they're unroadworthy. As far as insurance goes, I used to work for the NRMA in the claims department where all I did each day was deal with people and their vehicles that had been in accidents & never once did I hear of the wheel offset getting checked before we paid out a claim. In fact my old TH had ROH wheels which had 38 offset & that was involved in an accident & got repaired thru insurance without any problems.

As far as insurance goes, I used to work for the NRMA in the claims department where all I did each day was deal with people and their vehicles that had been in accidents & never once did I hear of the wheel offset getting checked before we paid out a claim.

that is true insurance can only refuse to pay a claim only when an unraodworthy item contributed to the accident.

i personally dont give a rats what ppl put on their car .............. all iam telling you is the law ... pure n simple the offset of those wheels DO NOT meet ADR,S for the mitsubishi 380 .... the TMR 380 rims are ADR certified .. you get a cert with them ... have a prang with the others on where someone gets killed and you will be paying for it fot the rest of your life ... then when you die u can pass on the rest of the debt to ya kids :D:D:D

i personally dont give a rats what ppl put on their car .............. all iam telling you is the law ... pure n simple the offset of those wheels DO NOT meet ADR,S for the mitsubishi 380 .... the TMR 380 rims are ADR certified .. you get a cert with them ... have a prang with the others on where someone gets killed and you will be paying for it fot the rest of your life ... then when you die u can pass on the rest of the debt to ya kids :D:D:D

Yeah ok Because my wheels apparently stick out 1mm more then they should i totally killed that guy purely and simply because of that not because i was doing 600km/h and drunk

i personally dont give a rats what ppl put on their car .............. all iam telling you is the law ... pure n simple the offset of those wheels DO NOT meet ADR,S for the mitsubishi 380 .... the TMR 380 rims are ADR certified .. you get a cert with them ... have a prang with the others on where someone gets killed and you will be paying for it fot the rest of your life ... then when you die u can pass on the rest of the debt to ya kids :D:D:D

nice.

']Yeah ok Because my wheels apparently stick out 1mm more then they should i totally killed that guy purely and simply because of that not because i was doing 600km/h and drunk
Your just not getting the picture are you ............ dont shoot the messenger ...... i dont make the law ......

Your just not getting the picture are you ............ dont shoot the messenger ...... i dont make the law ......

whats wrong with getting an enginneers cert, plenty of people here have got em for there mods. :nuts:

Your just not getting the picture are you ............ dont shoot the messenger ...... i dont make the law ......
Yeah i know that but you make it seem as if if we get these wheels we should be ashamed of ourselves as if we have committed some horrific crime.

I'd like to see what insurance company checks offset for claims
And I'd like to see what police officers check offset..
So either way, i couldn't give a rats about offset because no-one else does :)

whats wrong with getting an enginneers cert, plenty of people here have got em for there mods. :nuts:
very true .... and infact in WA u need one for every lil thing you alter on a car ....

']Yeah i know that but you make it seem as if if we get these wheels we should be ashamed of ourselves as if we have committed some horrific crime.

I'd like to see what insurance company checks offset for claims
And I'd like to see what police officers check offset..
So either way, i couldn't give a rats about offset because no-one else does :)
No iam not ... i have a modded car .... but it was pointed out to me when like many others who have put the wrong wheels on ..... a mate i used to go to school with own a tyre / wheel shop .... i wasent even aware until then

have a prang with the others on where someone gets killed and you will be paying for it fot the rest of your life ... :D:D:D
Seriously, that is the most ridiculous, uninformed comment you could make. People face the consequences of their actions when they kill or seriously injure someone in an accident due to the manner in which they were driving. Or, if they have modified their vehicle (which most of us on here have) & that modification contributed towards the collision. It would take a decent legal team to prove that an accident resulted from the vehicles wheels sitting 8mm further out than standard.

Seriously, that is the most ridiculous, uninformed comment you could make. People face the consequences of their actions when they kill or seriously injure someone in an accident due to the manner in which they were driving. Or, if they have modified their vehicle (which most of us on here have) & that modification contributed towards the collision. It would take a decent legal team to prove that an accident resulted from the vehicles wheels sitting 8mm further out than standard.
And you’re just as blind as the other bloke........ FIT non ADR major components like WHEELS and have a serious accident ............. and see how uniformed iam ... WTF do you think there’s ADR,S on wheels ??? WTF do you think there are load limits on wheels and ADR tested wheels........... so toss pots can know better than engineers and put what they like on cars ...... of course ... forum users know way more ....why do you think TMR got the wheels specially made and ADR, D ... to negate insurance / legal liabilities ... like I said I don’t care what ppl put on their cars ... funny though knotched in another post mentioned he won’t lower his car because it changes the handling qualities of the car.... but nobody is taking him to task???? Am I missing something here ... point is if you have an accident.... and they can’t determine the cause.... I have no doubt they will nail anything that is not STD on the car ... and if it’s not within spec you will get hammered.... Pure n simple

And you’re just as blind as the other bloke........ FIT non ADR major components like WHEELS and have a serious accident ............. and see how uniformed iam ... WTF do you think there’s ADR,S on wheels ??? WTF do you think there are load limits on wheels and ADR tested wheels........... so toss pots can know better than engineers and put what they like on cars ...... of course ... forum users know way more ....why do you think TMR got the wheels specially made and ADR, D ... to negate insurance / legal liabilities

again ur spreading misinformation AFAIK all ROH wheels are ADR approved to AS1638.

and why do u think there ok on ur car, cause some enginner said it was ok? and they can't do that with anyone else? :nuts:

And you’re just as blind as the other bloke........ FIT non ADR major components like WHEELS and have a serious accident ............. and see how uniformed iam ... WTF do you think there’s ADR,S on wheels ??? WTF do you think there are load limits on wheels and ADR tested wheels........... so toss pots can know better than engineers and put what they like on cars ...... of course ... forum users know way more ....why do you think TMR got the wheels specially made and ADR, D ... to negate insurance / legal liabilities ... like I said I don’t care what ppl put on their cars ... funny though knotched in another post mentioned he won’t lower his car because it changes the handling qualities of the car.... but nobody is taking him to task???? Am I missing something here ... point is if you have an accident.... and they can’t determine the cause.... I have no doubt they will nail anything that is not STD on the car ... and if it’s not within spec you will get hammered.... Pure n simple
OK, I'm not denying that some aftermarket wheels may not comply with ADR's. I'm not claiming to know more than an engineer. Although I'm still confused as to how places like Bob Jane, JAX Tyres etc have sold non ADR compliant wheels every day for the last 20 years without hitting any legal hurdles but I guess thats another story.

What I do refute is your ridiculous claims that insurance wont pay you out or you "have no doubt they will nail anything that is not STD on the car". What facts are you basing this on???? Now I've already told you I've had an accident (not my fault) on a car which had incorrect offset & it was paid out and I would suggest there would be many on this forum alone that have been in the same situation. Perhaps you could substaniate your claims by providing us with one example of someone who has had insurance refused because their wheel offset was changed by 8mm??

The reason Knotched wasnt taken to task about not wanting to lower his vehicle is because he didnt make ill informed comments that insurance will be refused if he lowers it (my previous car was also lowered when insurance paid out the claim).

Finally, all am I trying to do is reason with you. If you feel the need to make this personal by calling me blind or a toss pot, next time do it by PM or in person.

OK, I'm not denying that some aftermarket wheels may not comply with ADR's. I'm not claiming to know more than an engineer. Although I'm still confused as to how places like Bob Jane, JAX Tyres etc have sold non ADR compliant wheels every day for the last 20 years without hitting any legal hurdles but I guess thats another story.

What I do refute is your ridiculous claims that insurance wont pay you out or you "have no doubt they will nail anything that is not STD on the car". What facts are you basing this on???? Now I've already told you I've had an accident (not my fault) on a car which had incorrect offset & it was paid out and I would suggest there would be many on this forum alone that have been in the same situation. Perhaps you could substaniate your claims by providing us with one example of someone who has had insurance refused because their wheel offset was changed by 8mm??

The reason Knotched wasnt taken to task about not wanting to lower his vehicle is because he didnt make ill informed comments that insurance will be refused if he lowers it (my previous car was also lowered when insurance paid out the claim).

Finally, all am I trying to do is reason with you. If you feel the need to make this personal by calling me blind or a toss pot, next time do it by PM or in person.

these guys sold me my tyres which are 235/45 R18's which have a rolling diameter which is only millimetres to big, thus making it illegal. i could not get a opermit for it, so later on ill try again and get a engineer cert for them. alot of people have these tryes on there cars, if you dont have a VRX or ralliart which has standard 17 inch tyres, then i believe these are illegal on your car. just letting you know that the tyre shops do sell you illegal tyres and nothing is done about it.

mike

I had a quick re-read of this thread. Is this arguement that correct 380 offset is +46, but rims for this fitment are very rare? For the record, I've had 10 cars since 1989 and have changed the rims on 6 of them, and never considered offset for a second - yet rego & insurance was never denied... still, I am currently shopping for new wheels for my 380, so I'll ask them about this offset.

And you’re just as blind as the other bloke........ FIT non ADR major components like WHEELS and have a serious accident ............. and see how uniformed iam ... WTF do you think there’s ADR,S on wheels ??? WTF do you think there are load limits on wheels and ADR tested wheels........... so toss pots can know better than engineers and put what they like on cars ...... of course ... forum users know way more ....why do you think TMR got the wheels specially made and ADR, D ... to negate insurance / legal liabilities ... like I said I don’t care what ppl put on their cars ... funny though knotched in another post mentioned he won’t lower his car because it changes the handling qualities of the car.... but nobody is taking him to task???? Am I missing something here ... point is if you have an accident.... and they can’t determine the cause.... I have no doubt they will nail anything that is not STD on the car ... and if it’s not within spec you will get hammered.... Pure n simple

If Knotched doesn't want to lower his car what do you care?
This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard, As TJ Sports said, They are ADR Approved, why would ROH Bring out wheels NOT ADR Approved..

Yeah lets see how your theory works here
"Well i cant really figure out why he rear ended that car so fast, oh wait, he has a stick on fuel lid, lets nail him for that being the cause"

Pure and simple what you say is utter crap.
I think you just dont want anyone else to have your wheels

FYI...
The National Code of Practice for Light Vehicle Construction and Modification (NCOP): http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/vsb_ncop.aspx

"The NCOP has been subsequently endorsed by all Australian State and Territory Authorities responsible for vehicle standards and the registration of vehicles for road use."

It's what engineers have to work to in terms of acceptable modifications and sets out what mods require certification, have a good read of the following section:
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/pdf/NCOP11_Section_LS_Suspension_and_steering_3Feb2006 .pdf


Cummins

FYI...
The National Code of Practice for Light Vehicle Construction and Modification (NCOP): http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/vsb_ncop.aspx

"The NCOP has been subsequently endorsed by all Australian State and Territory Authorities responsible for vehicle standards and the registration of vehicles for road use."

It's what engineers have to work to in terms of acceptable modifications and sets out what mods require certification, have a good read of the following section:
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/pdf/NCOP11_Section_LS_Suspension_and_steering_3Feb2006 .pdf


Cummins
Some good info there. I didn't read all 71 pages, but part/chapter 4 specifically details the wheels and tyres issue, with the expected info on maximum widths allowed, vehicle's widest rim available, etc (which I've always been keeping in check with when changing rims, mainly for insurance) for wheels and tyres... but - unless I missed something - no mention of offsets. From what I read, it seems like simple common sense, and I think we have all modified within the law.

Let’s clear a few things up
# 1 iam not anti modding that’s plain nonsense ... my car is modded and I’ve owned everything from hotted fj Holden’s... supercharged xa gt hardtops 4x4, s to what I have now
#2 blue 380 ... if I was calling you names I would have referred to you directly I was making a generalisation of armchair experts
#3 how I came across this is exactly as some of you have done (this will explain the insurance thing too) ... when I ordered my car I went looking for wheels and funnily enough fronted back at the dealer with the very pic that’s on the lead of this post ... I also wanted the silver 18,s the dealer said fine.. We will order a set in for you... but we will not be able to organise insurance if you require us to do so
I scratched my head and asked why and was informed as to what I’ve retold here ... like you lot I thought this was crap and they just wanted to flog me the TMR,S ... so I went to a friend that owns a tyre store .. And he confirmed what they had said
Which lead me to remember an incident I had about 15 years ago with a Nissan GQ patrol I had fitted wide wheels too?
I was pulled over at a roadworthy stop and had a canary put on the car because the wheels were past the guards ... fine I copped that and quickly went about having flares put on.... well I front to have the canary removed..... Guess what? They wouldn’t do it... it appears that not only was I in violation with the wheels outside the guards ... the infringement was also widening the track of the vechicle..... I had to remove the wheels to get the canary removed ... don’t you think I whined and squealed
Hence my “experience “with wheels
Anyone who mods a car outside its designs is in all likelihood to never have an issue ... but its only reasonable to be aware if the **** hits the fan you could be in it well and deep

Some good info there. I didn't read all 71 pages, but part/chapter 4 specifically details the wheels and tyres issue, with the expected info on maximum widths allowed, vehicle's widest rim available, etc (which I've always been keeping in check with when changing rims, mainly for insurance) for wheels and tyres... but - unless I missed something - no mention of offsets. From what I read, it seems like simple common sense, and I think we have all modified within the law.


PASSENGER CAR WHEEL TRACK
The wheel track of passenger cars must not be increased by more than 25mm beyond maximum specified by the vehicle manufacturer for the particular model. This means that the rim offset must not be changed by more than 12.5mm.

Reduction in wheel track is not permitted without approval from the relevant authority.

On vehicles with diagonally split braking systems the front wheel offset (and front wheel track) should remain as original, except where the original manufacturer specifies differently with optional rims for a particular model.

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prolly best to double check with local authorities as well though...

Let’s clear a few things up
# 1 iam not anti modding that’s plain nonsense ... my car is modded and I’ve owned everything from hotted fj Holden’s... supercharged xa gt hardtops 4x4, s to what I have now
#2 blue 380 ... if I was calling you names I would have referred to you directly I was making a generalisation of armchair experts
#3 how I came across this is exactly as some of you have done (this will explain the insurance thing too) ... when I ordered my car I went looking for wheels and funnily enough fronted back at the dealer with the very pic that’s on the lead of this post ... I also wanted the silver 18,s the dealer said fine.. We will order a set in for you... but we will not be able to organise insurance if you require us to do so
I scratched my head and asked why and was informed as to what I’ve retold here ... like you lot I thought this was crap and they just wanted to flog me the TMR,S ... so I went to a friend that owns a tyre store .. And he confirmed what they had said
Which lead me to remember an incident I had about 15 years ago with a Nissan GQ patrol I had fitted wide wheels too?
I was pulled over at a roadworthy stop and had a canary put on the car because the wheels were past the guards ... fine I copped that and quickly went about having flares put on.... well I front to have the canary removed..... Guess what? They wouldn’t do it... it appears that not only was I in violation with the wheels outside the guards ... the infringement was also widening the track of the vechicle..... I had to remove the wheels to get the canary removed ... don’t you think I whined and squealed
Hence my “experience “with wheels
Anyone who mods a car outside its designs is in all likelihood to never have an issue ... but its only reasonable to be aware if the **** hits the fan you could be in it well and deep
Thanks for clearing that up Cheeky, much appreciated.

PASSENGER CAR WHEEL TRACK
The wheel track of passenger cars must not be increased by more than 25mm beyond maximum specified by the vehicle manufacturer for the particular model. This means that the rim offset must not be changed by more than 12.5mm.

Reduction in wheel track is not permitted without approval from the relevant authority.

On vehicles with diagonally split braking systems the front wheel offset (and front wheel track) should remain as original, except where the original manufacturer specifies differently with optional rims for a particular model.

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Thanks. I must have missed that, I just skimmed through quickly.
Another question (for anyone who can answer) is there a tolerance on offsets? Or has it gotta be what it's gotta be? I ask cos I went to tyre shop today and was told there's not a lot of rims in that offset for Magna/380.

Thanks. I must have missed that, I just skimmed through quickly.
Another question (for anyone who can answer) is there a tolerance on offsets? Or has it gotta be what it's gotta be? I ask cos I went to tyre shop today and was told there's not a lot of rims in that offset for Magna/380.

whats interesting is the 380 spare wheel has an offset of 40 :shock:

dont know why they just didn't chuck a regular steelie in the boot. its not even space saving.

the only people who can answer the question is a mitsu engineer. if theres a tolerance or not.