Hey guys this is probably a stupid question, but I'm bored at work so I have lots of time to think lol

Is it possible to install ABS into a TE Exec, and if it is, how much would it roughly cost and what would be involved?

Cheers, Aaron

New calipers, speed sensors, ecu........ I think theres more though. Anyone??

Axel hub as the ABS ones have different hubs etc...

New car = cheaper and easier.

I gotta ask - what makes you want ABS? It doesn't make you stop any quicker.

The only advantage is so you can still change direction if you try and steer while you have "locked the brakes" so to speak.

Sure its a good safety net but if you're a good enough driver you won't need it.

I gotta ask - what makes you want ABS? It doesn't make you stop any quicker.



If you are 100% on your game with braking it wont make a difference, but for the majority of us who wont react quickly enough to wheels locking, it will help braking distance.

u will need the abs actuator, the brake lines (front and rear, the hard metal lines that is), the hubs with speed sensors and the control unit(computer).... assuming that the abs computer is a seperate unit. if its in the ecu like everything else is then there is a nice easy way... burn ur car, claim insurance and buy 1 with abs.


Tim

If you jump on the brakes in identical cars (in the same conditions) one with and without ABS, they stop in the exact same distance. Infact you might even find you can stop sooner without ABS.

ABS helps if you need to drop the anchors and turn the wheels simultaneously to avoid hitting something. Which I guess why advanced driving courses are correct in teaching evasive action during emergency braking.

That said, knowing how to do it, and putting it into practice when the situation arises is another matter all together.

If you jump on the brakes in identical cars (in the same conditions) one with and without ABS, they stop in the exact same distance. Infact you might even find you can stop sooner without ABS.

ABS helps if you need to drop the anchors and turn the wheels simultaneously to avoid hitting something. Which I guess why advanced driving courses are correct in teaching evasive action during emergency braking.

That said, knowing how to do it, and putting it into practice when the situation arises is another matter all together.

It also helps you when you exceed the maximum grip of the tyres during braking. Some people just slam on the brakes and go into a slide, which sometimes feels like you dont slow down at all, especially in the wet. That was the main focus of ABS. If you can feel how hard you can brake without sliding then you dont need them.

Not too sure but dont think its easy. My dad once had a work falcon, about half a year old. His work always got ABS put in as an extra as they dont insure their cars. He kept telling me he didnt think the ABS was working properly because a few times at low speed on a gravel driveway/road the wheels locked up when slowing down for a speed hump. After he showed me we both thought it didnt appear to be working.

We looked under the bonnet and couldnt see anything that looked like ABS. So he took it to ford and enquried, saying the company had ordered a car with ABS, but it didnt seem to have ABS fitted.

I think the same day or maybe within a few days, he comes home with a brand spanking new falcon, new model as a new model had come out since his. He said ford said its pretty much impossible or too hard to fit ABS post factory, and so they gave him a new car with ABS!!!

Ford probably would have no idea what to do and want the hassle of puttign ABS in a car when it wasnt the dealerships fault, so it may well be possible, but it seems like its definitely not too easy unfortunately.

Ollie

Its MAJOR surgery... as said everything thats braking related needs to be changed....

comp,ABS actuator, hard lines(front to back and left to right). speed sensorsx4, hubsx4, rotorsx4, calipersx4(i think) due to different rotors.

ALOT of swearing and bleeding knuckles.!:bowrofl:

Buy a bull bar instead, detracts from looks but if you slide into someone you shouldn't come off too badly :P

Its funny how every time ABS is mentioned people go into a debate about whether its really needed or not. Fact is most people in a panic will put the brake pedal through the firewall and you lose all control over direction, even if everyone was taught how to pump the brakes and steer many would still forget it in a panic.

ABS has made one situation I've been in in the Verada a lot less tricky, but I can't say I've ever locked up the wheels on any car I've driven, so I appreciate it being there, but I wouldn't go to the effort of installing it if I didn't have it.

Oh and for the record, a car with ABS will stop quicker in a straight line than one without, you've just gotta use it properly. People who think exceeding the traction of the car by locking the wheels is quicker than using 100% of the available traction to stop are kidding themselves.
(Thats obviously based on the normal emergency stop where people flatten the brakes. If you control the stop without ABS you might get there quicker.)

Buy a bull bar instead, detracts from looks but if you slide into someone you shouldn't come off too badly :P

Its funny how every time ABS is mentioned people go into a debate about whether its really needed or not. Fact is most people in a panic will put the brake pedal through the firewall and you lose all control over direction, even if everyone was taught how to pump the brakes and steer many would still forget it in a panic.

ABS has made one situation I've been in in the Verada a lot less tricky, but I can't say I've ever locked up the wheels on any car I've driven, so I appreciate it being there, but I wouldn't go to the effort of installing it if I didn't have it.

Oh and for the record, a car with ABS will stop quicker in a straight line than one without, you've just gotta use it properly. People who think exceeding the traction of the car by locking the wheels is quicker than using 100% of the available traction to stop are kidding themselves.

Weird you say that..When i did my driving course when i turned 18 i managed to stop quicker then any of the other cars in my group. I.e. new camry's and corollas. :) (In a straight line anyway)

']Weird you say that..When i did my driving course when i turned 18 i managed to stop quicker then any of the other cars in my group. I.e. new camry's and corollas. :) (In a straight line anyway)
Dads been demonstrated and shown it various driving training courses (eg. Vic Roads driver training, Police driver training, Council driver training). If you break the maximum adhesion with the road you end up with less grip and you go further, thats just how it is.

The other thing that makes ABS less effective than it should be is people don't know how to use it properly. They've mentioned that at the driver training thingos dads been to over the years. People tend to brake firmly, but not as far as the pedal goes in fear of breaking traction. An ABS equipped car only functions 100% if you hammer the brake pedal right into the firewall, and hold it there until the car stops. If you don't the ABS doesn't work 100% and you don't stop as quickly.

If you want to give it the test I'll happily line you up with the camry and I'd confidently say the Camry will stop quicker, even with its 15"s vs your 19"s :P Curious though paul, can you even lock the 19"s in a straight line? lol

I have only once used the ABS, I was coming to a quck stop on a wet road and I could feel it working, even if it did feel a bit primitive.

Other times (in a new suzuki swift) the abs totally didn't work, the wheels locked and the car went sideways.

Other times (in a new suzuki swift) the abs totally didn't work, the wheels locked and the car went sideways.
Were you already in a slide when you braked? ABS won't save you if your already out of control in a slide, theres nothing it can do to prevent the wheels locking if the car isn't traveling the direction of the wheels.

If you weren't already in a slide I'd be checking the fuse, then questioning Suzuki about it.

Nope heading strait on, however the ABS unit was found to be "broken" after the incident.

The other thing that makes ABS less effective than it should be is people don't know how to use it properly. They've mentioned that at the driver training thingos dads been to over the years. People tend to brake firmly, but not as far as the pedal goes in fear of breaking traction. An ABS equipped car only functions 100% if you hammer the brake pedal right into the firewall, and hold it there until the car stops. If you don't the ABS doesn't work 100% and you don't stop as quickly.



What?

Back when i did an advanced driving course, they explained it that when you push the pedal to the ground, the sensors have longer cycles to go through before determining there is a problem and rectifying it, whereas when the pedal is on / just beyond the loss of traction point, those cycles are much shorter and the abs system reacts quicker.

This was at Paul Mont Driving School.

What?

Back when i did an advanced driving course, they explained it that when you push the pedal to the ground, the sensors have longer cycles to go through before determining there is a problem and rectifying it, whereas when the pedal is on / just beyond the loss of traction point, those cycles are much shorter and the abs system reacts quicker.

This was at Paul Mont Driving School.
The problem with that is the system cycles between on and off repetitively when your holding the brake around the maximum point, which increases your stopping distance because it reduces the overall braking force. If you brake an ABS equipped car with the method you just described it'll take you longer to stop than a non-ABS equipped car would, dependant on the circumstances and driver (whether they pump the brake or not).

Cheers for the replies guys, I was just curious anyway. I want to do an advanced driving course soon anyway so hopefully i'll be all good without the ABS.

The problem with that is the system cycles between on and off repetitively when your holding the brake around the maximum point, which increases your stopping distance because it reduces the overall braking force. If you brake an ABS equipped car with the method you just described it'll take you longer to stop than a non-ABS equipped car would, dependant on the circumstances and driver (whether they pump the brake or not).
That depends on how well the ABS system is designed, you'll find a more modern system will be more intuitive when it comes to regulating brake force.

abs equipped car will only stop quicker then a non abs equipped car when the non abs cars wheels are locked. Remember all the drive alive ads? Did yuo ever see the non abs car brake without skidding. As has been previously stated, it is designed to give control in an emergency braking situation.