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SIVART
03-06-2008, 08:56 PM
I have a TH 3.5 manual
I was thinking of putting a toyota SC-14 supercharger on, with a fuel controller?
has anyone tried this setup?
or any other setups that work?
Thanks
Travis
Ashneel
03-06-2008, 09:32 PM
ummm
theres a sprintex supercharger kit made for magnas. heathyoung is selling his setup on the for sale page
Screamin TE
04-06-2008, 06:23 AM
what is the s/c off? if it is only off of a 4cy, i wouldnt bother. You need to match it to the siaze of your engine.
96_Altera
04-06-2008, 07:02 AM
An SC12/14 is a very good way to learn about supercharging on the cheap. But if you want serious power look elsewhere.
On the two litre motor it came off it produced around 160Kw, with the blower intermittently operated through a clutch. They produce very good low RPM boost, but the internal heat buildup is pretty high, and the blower will wear out quite quickly if you discard the clutch and drive it continuously....
The blower drive ratio varies a bit but typically it might be 1.2:1 or something close to that on the stock 1G-GZE engine, with an charger redline at perhaps 9,000 RPM. So to produce the same airflow on the 3/3.5ltr you would have to spin the charger at around 14,000 RPM, it not going to last long....
The SC12 came out on the Toyota 4AG-ZE (1600cc 4 cylinder) and the SC14 on the Toyota 1G-GZE (2000cc six cylinder)....
I had a Toyota Mark II Cresta with the 1G-GZE was fun to drive with the supercharger hooked up all the time lasted about a week like that....
Craig....
SIVART
04-06-2008, 05:46 PM
i wouldnt want it to run high boost just make it get up and go a bit quicker
I have a couple of spare turbos here, it its alot more work to fit them
96_Altera
04-06-2008, 07:08 PM
And there lies the problem with this Supercharger.....it was designed to be fitted to a 2ltr six cylinder as an additional system....for you to get any benefit from it you would have to spin the charger at higher RPM to get the same outcome....
This means the Charger would have to be overdriven to around 2:1 instead of the factory 1.2:1....Even if you could find an electric clutch that small running the charger even in small doses would generate to much heat and destroy the internals very quickly....
Craig....
kiwimante3.5
05-08-2008, 03:52 PM
wot bout intercooling to combat the heat problems is it as simple as mounting the unit and then plumbing it up and you got boost or is there more to it
Chisholm
05-08-2008, 04:02 PM
The sc14 is just way too small mate.
If you are serious about DIY supercharing, I know someone who put an M90 (from the commodore Super 6) on a pajero with good results, so I'd be looking down that path. Apprently decent-nick M90s can be had for $500-1k.
So if you, or someone you know has the fabrication skills required to do the job, you could definantely have a great bang-for-buck supercharged setup.
wrexed03
05-08-2008, 04:27 PM
The sc14 is just way too small mate.
If you are serious about DIY supercharing, I know someone who put an M90 (from the commodore Super 6) on a pajero with good results, so I'd be looking down that path. Apprently decent-nick M90s can be had for $500-1k.
So if you, or someone you know has the fabrication skills required to do the job, you could definantely have a great bang-for-buck supercharged setup.
Hey Chisholm would love to see the setup. Can you try and get some pics for me. Would be great to see how it was done since i drive a paj myself lol..
regards
Chisholm
06-08-2008, 10:45 AM
Unfortunantely the pics are no longer working, but where's the guy's old worklog for it anyway:
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=465356&highlight=m90
Screamin TE
06-08-2008, 01:23 PM
got a generic login?? cant see post without being a member. I hate when they do that.
MR_WOODY_TJ
06-08-2008, 04:13 PM
how much work needs to be done to a std 3.5lt with origanal 150,000km-200,000km?
(5spd manual) work and cash wise?
Articuno
06-08-2008, 04:23 PM
got a generic login?? cant see post without being a member. I hate when they do that.
Would kinda defeat the purpose if there was a standard logon.
Screamin TE
06-08-2008, 07:06 PM
how much work needs to be done to a std 3.5lt with origanal 150,000km-200,000km?
(5spd manual) work and cash wise?
i'd factor in a rebuild regardless of service history at those k's.
EZ Boy
06-08-2008, 08:26 PM
If you're really bored you can bolt 2x of those little pd blowers - 1 per bank and you will then servicing a similar sized motor as the donor. Don't those Toyotas run water-to-air i/c? That'd be a good investment too.
Why not just cut the exhaust impellor and housing off an old turbo and make a centrifugal that revs its hump off to make boost?
SIVART
08-08-2008, 06:08 PM
I have to say I was driving a TMR380 around for a few hours yesturday and it pulls pretty well, the brakes are just as good as my evo brakes
i want to get a KH or KJ verada xi and swap the manual over and boost it up
engines are really cheap for these cars so if i blew a head gasket it would be cheaper for me to get another engine to swap over, I wouldnt rebuild
magna00
08-08-2008, 06:11 PM
I have to say I was driving a TMR380 around for a few hours yesturday and it pulls pretty well, the brakes are just as good as my evo brakes
i want to get a KH or KJ verada xi and swap the manual over and boost it up
engines are really cheap for these cars so if i blew a head gasket it would be cheaper for me to get another engine to swap over, I wouldnt rebuild
yeah if you can get hold of a sprintex kit they are resonable bang for buck atm, should cost you around 4-5k give or take and with some exhaust/intake work should net around 160-170kw atw auto. Stock internals can handle 7psi no issue at all, however dont go messing with the sprintex tune and remove the safeguard on it or then you will blow rings/pistons etc.
MAD35L
16-08-2008, 08:21 PM
anyone after a sprintex drop me a pm.
EZ Boy
16-08-2008, 10:27 PM
A cheap sprintex kit like MAD35Ls will get plenty of grin value. Remember too that there is always other work that can be done besides upping the boost as most people consider as option 1 for more bang. We've seen those results. Head work, cams, better exhaust will improve efficiency and that means more power.
Tradewind
19-08-2008, 02:35 PM
yeah if you can get hold of a sprintex kit they are resonable bang for buck atm, should cost you around 4-5k give or take and with some exhaust/intake work should net around 160-170kw atw auto
At 5.5k you will be able to lay hold on a Raptor ProStreet kit with 12 months warranty (not available on Sprintex kit), complete tuning solution (not in Sprintex kit), full set of injectors (not in Sprintex kit), and a serviceable supercharger and can all be fitted by any Joe ......... or Jill :) and be looking at power above the figures quoted above.
Yep you could say its not been seen yet, and I can assure it it soon will be. Charger was manufactured to fit the drive yesterday, today it was mated to the drive, the sheet metal dudes are coming in the next hour to measure up for the drive shaft cover and then its on the ROAD to the eagerly awaiting customer.
Something to consider .........
EZ Boy
19-08-2008, 05:07 PM
The Raptor Kit can have the boost upped, intercooling options aplenty. The boost delivery favours fwd as power increases with rpm, so traction is much more manageable.
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