Hey all, just thought I would share my latest addition to my ralliart. I've never had a bigger smile on my face!!:D

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SUPERCHARGED BY: Bullet Super Cars
TUNE BY: Chiptorque

Details of the job are…

Custom Rotrex Super Charger C30-94
Genuine Rotrex Front mounted oil cooler
Custom Water to Air intercooler
High volume ignition water pump and
Front mounted Radiator
Custom Cold Air induction
K&N Pod
Bosch BOV
Custom boost injector spacer
Siemens Deka boost injector
Chiptorque XEDE ecu
Walbro 500hp fuel pump

I am currently running 8psi, no real plans of winding this up until I do some engine work..

I already had pacemakers and a full 2.5”mandrel bent exhaust with the standard Ralliart tip.

Have to send out a massive thanks to the Guys at Bullet Super Cars, they have done a wonderful job.
I’m absolutely wrapped with how it drives.. the power is so smooth..

I have heaps more pics but its late.. I just couldn't wait to post up something..

amazing amazing work! sicket rims ever tooo!

hello hello!!!! :) looken very nice there mate, awsome job :bowrofl: what was ya damage to the pocket?

hello hello!!!! :) looken very nice there mate, awsome job :bowrofl: what was ya damage to the pocket?

the damage to my pocket was well worth the smile on my face and the dyno read out i now have..

Thanks mate, I love my rims too.. i challenge anyone to find the same rims on another car in aus!

the damage to my pocket was well worth the smile on my face and the dyno read out i now have..

Thanks mate, I love my rims too.. i challenge anyone to find the same rims on another car in aus!

what are they???

also +1 for powder coating the inside black! boooooyeaaahhh.

when u say custom charger, do you mean one off - or modified to fit?

so whats the most powerful magna on AMC then? where do u fit in?

what are they???

also +1 for powder coating the inside black! boooooyeaaahhh.

when u say custom charger, do you mean one off - or modified to fit?

so whats the most powerful magna on AMC then? where do u fit in?

Yeah i love the clean black look.. had the option to paint the intercoolers the usual silver.. but i think black and stealth is the way to go..

More so just a custom made kit.. the Supercharger was ordered direct from rotrex to suit my engine.

The part that took the longest was the core for the Water to Air intercooler as this was a one off job.

Thanks for the comments guys.

all im gunna say is two word......


FORCED INDUCTION... its for people who want it easy and dont wanna try..:P

Oh and superchargers are for old men who are scared of the sudden boost of a turbo..:P

Another SC///ART well done:)

all im gunna say is two word......


FORCED INDUCTION... its for people who want it easy and dont wanna try..:P

Oh and superchargers are for old men who are scared of the sudden boost of a turbo..:P

lol.... I had to supercharge seeing it looks like i'll be towin ur ass around all the time these days.
:P
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and who cares about sudden boost if the end result is better anyway.

Right now im sexualy attracted to ya pete!!!! good mate, jealous heaps!!!!!

cars hot pete... we went for a drive in it 2nite and god dayum the power comes on so smoothly... and dayum there sure isnt a short supply of it either... this thing really wants to fly.... congrats pete...

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That photo is the closest you will get to real STYLE too...:P



cars hot pete... we went for a drive in it 2nite and god dayum the power comes on so smoothly... and dayum there sure isnt a short supply of it either... this thing really wants to fly.... congrats pete...What do you know about power.. U drive a 4 Cylinder magic carpet..:P

What do you know about power.. U drive a 4 Cylinder magic carpet..:P

so very tru.... oh wait a minute... at least my car is on the road to drive :P

so very tru.... oh wait a minute... at least my car is on the road to drive :P


Yeah mine is too.. With Fuel prices like they are i did a flinstones Conversion..:P

Yeah mine is too.. With Fuel prices like they are i did a flinstones Conversion..:P

at least uve got the flintstones look to match it :P yabba dabba doooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

Thats enough of the crap..:)

Pete i lov it and i NVU...:P So red really does go faster..:P

Thats ok.. ill work on mine soon.. be very scared..:P

...I had to supercharge seeing it looks like i'll be towin ur ass around all the time these days.
:P
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:owned: lol
That's actualy a good photo.

Ego, hope your car was okay. :redface:

That's one red hot Ralliart you have there.

215kw at the wheels? What are the Sprintex fellas putting down?

Hey all, just thought I would share my latest addition to my ralliart. I've never had a bigger smile on my face!!:D...
...SUPERCHARGED BY: Bullet Super Cars...I am SOOOOO jealous!
Wow, another supercharged Ralliart.
Well done!!! :thumbsup:

wow!!!! absolute awesome power man!!!
haha bet ya having tons of fun!!
haha plannin on 1/4 mile??

Bloody nice mate, now get it down the 1/4 and let's see some figures :)


That's one red hot Ralliart you have there.

215kw at the wheels? What are the Sprintex fellas putting down?

Given that on the dyno sheet it shows they used a Ramp Rate of 15 ("RR 015"), I daresay that reading of 215kw is a bit optimistic.

In a nutshell, using a high ramp rate = inflated readings and lots of operators do it for "power runs". Basically the car isn't being loaded up properly - drop the ramp rate, and the curve often actually looks physically different, less smooth with small fluctations everywhere.

Acording to my tuner, a ramp rate of 13 is about the limit for what's considered "cheating"- depending on the car and operator often tuneing is done with a RR of 9-11.

Having said all that, I'm sure the thing flies, and would certainly be making more power than the Sprintex setups due to having intercooling.

:owned: lol
That's actualy a good photo.

Ego, hope your car was okay. :redface:


Thats when she blew up a MM08..:P rebuild and she will be ok..


I give pete 12months before a rebuild too..:P

Bloody nice mate, now get it down the 1/4 and let's see some figures :)



Given that on the dyno sheet it shows they used a Ramp Rate of 15 ("RR 015"), I daresay that reading of 215kw is a bit optimistic.

In a nutshell, using a high ramp rate = inflated readings and lots of operators do it for "power runs". Basically the car isn't being loaded up properly - drop the ramp rate, and the curve often actually looks physically different, less smooth with small fluctations everywhere.

Acording to my tuner, a ramp rate of 13 is about the limit for what's considered "cheating"- depending on the car and operator often tuneing is done with a RR of 9-11.

Doesnt it sat shootout on there.. my understanding is shootout mode no changes could b make. They are locked my DD..?

Doesnt it sat shootout on there.. my understanding is shootout mode no changes could b make. They are locked my DD..?

There's a difference between being a shootout accredited operator, and actually running the dyno in "shootout mode".

You're right - in shootout mode there are strict guidelines the operator has to follow, but my understanding is that if you are a shootout accredited operator, you can show the logo even if the run was not done in shootout mode. Anyway - I can't comment too much on the dyno print out because I can't view any of the images on this page in either firefox or ie6 :nuts: .

Awesome work Pete - the car looks great, and I bet it goes great now too (no longer one of those slow ralliarts lol ). Since I can't afford to drive my car anymore - you'll have to take me for a spin one day.

looking good Pete :cool:

looks nice mate

and ego you need to stop breaking your car lol

wowee!! That is one HOT looking car with the guts to match! Congrats on an awesome ride! The rims suit it perfectly :thumbsup:

good work pete, when do i get to drive it??:D :D

lookin good :thumbsup:

Wow!!! So is it a genuine ralliart now??? Jokes... Congrats Pete, looks the goods!

There's a difference between being a shootout accredited operator, and actually running the dyno in "shootout mode".

You're right - in shootout mode there are strict guidelines the operator has to follow, but my understanding is that if you are a shootout accredited operator, you can show the logo even if the run was not done in shootout mode. Anyway - I can't comment too much on the dyno print out because I can't view any of the images on this page in either firefox or ie6.

Awesome work Pete - the car looks great, and I bet it goes great now too (no longer one of those slow ralliarts lol ). Since I can't afford to drive my car anymore - you'll have to take me for a spin one day.


Yeah well they usually list shoot out mode.. and thats why i wasnt sure..

Speaking of doing dodgey dynos.. a mate of mine got one and my BA was in for a service.. when i showed up to collect the car it was strapped to the dyno and the team from DD where showing him how to use it and going through the shootout mode thing.. He messed with the setting on it and the BA went from 168kw atw to 410kw atw..:P He wouldnt let me print it as it was dodgey..:)


and ego you need to stop breaking your car

Only reason i broke it was Pete and i where thrashing down the freeway.. I was flogging his ass.. Well that why i made him tow my ass home..:P but i guess he will just get me now..:(

Wow, what a really nice piece of work!!!

Congrats!

Only reason i broke it was Pete and i where thrashing down the freeway.. I was flogging his ass.. Well that why i made him tow my ass home..:P but i guess he will just get me now..:(

thats why u need a 2nd gen mate... a goat headbutts it and it still goes strong.... lol

Only reason i broke it was Pete and i where thrashing down the freeway.. I was flogging his ass.. Well that why i made him tow my ass home..:P but i guess he will just get me now..:(

lol, fair enough, you just need some forced induction going now

thats why u need a 2nd gen mate... a goat headbutts it and it still goes strong.... lol

/Agrees

Wow!!! So is it a genuine ralliart now???

Realer than Rick's :P lol

215kw = 290 odd hp, so 90hp up from your N/A setup, Nice stuff Pete, now where's that CV6 Monaro so you can embarrasse him again ten fold :badgrin:

Whats John's setup putting out, anyone?

bloody awesome!!!

congrats on a nice job!

VERY NICE!! I like very much!

If I still had my ralliart, I would have loved to done to have some work done to it... (infact, I had heaps of stuff already ordered...)

Looks like the sprintex boys have got thier work cut out for them...

This figure isnt to far from TZABOY's figure...

Hmmmm... I wonder how the raptor kit compairs to this...

I think TZABOY's is making around 250kw at the wheels.

Put some forged pistons in this new Bullet Ralliart and you should easily be able to coax out 300kw atw. Intercooling makes a lot of difference in the [reliable] horsepower stakes.

Maybe look at transplanting this set-up into an AWD?

I'm sure you buy a reasonable awd with a dead motor for around $8k, and transplant it.

I think TZABOY's is making around 250kw at the wheels.

Put some forged pistons in this new Bullet Ralliart and you should easily be able to coax out 300kw atw. Intercooling makes a lot of difference in the [reliable] horsepower stakes.

Maybe look at transplanting this set-up into an AWD?

I'm sure you buy a reasonable awd with a dead motor for around $8k, and transplant it.

I've seen one of TZABOY's dyno runs (was stored on the dyno I was using), it was about what I expected (perhaps slightly on the low side, but that dyno does read low compared to many). Let me tell it wasn't 250kw.

A genuine 250wkw simply ain't gonna happen with just 10psi of boost with the Sprintex setup. Put it this way, I think a manual fwd sprintexed magna realistically makes say 180wkw. Another 70kw from just an extra 3 psi and intercooling? No chance in hell. Yes he did have the heads flowed, but myself and sources I trust suggest for this application it would be making very little difference.

But let's keep things in perspective here with realstic numbers, In a manual fwd magna 170-180wkw is good enough for 170km/hr+ trap speed down the 1/4. Recent model Commos/Falcons need much hp to do this, because they are MUCH heavier.

Forget 250kw, because it just aint happening with 10psi sprintex + intercooling. But really, even 200wkw is geting pretty damn quick in our relatively light magnas.

Anyone remember the vids of TZABOY at wakefield that were posted around here some time ago? With the Sprintex@7psi he was EASILY beating a XR6T down the straight (I believe it was stock besides a retune running factory boost).

Why on earth would you transplant from a manual ralliart with LSD into an AWD? Or you are doing is slowing down the thing a ****load by adding extra weight, drivetrain loss and a slushbox. Unless all care car about is 0-60 at the lights.

thats hot good work. gotta post some vids

dosnt TZABOY have head work done aswell???

anywhose pete your cars sexy. not a fan of chrome but you wheels looks the goods. would look classy as hell in machined finish

Forget 250kw, because it just aint happening with 10psi sprintex + intercooling. But really, even 200wkw is geting pretty damn quick in our relatively light magnas.

Why on earth would you transplant from a manual ralliart with LSD into an AWD? Or you are doing is slowing down the thing a ****load by adding extra weight, drivetrain loss and a slushbox. Unless all care car about is 0-60 at the lights.

Well I think the Bullet set-up has a lot of potential, and its intercooler will be more effective than the one I am having fitted on the sprintex unit. With forged pistons, he can gear that centrifugal supercharger to run 14psi and beyond.

The sprintex is approaching its constant rpm design limits when geared to produce 10psi. Having said that, my awd is likely to make 300hp/220kw at the hubs by the time I have finished. That would translate into 250kw at the hubs if it were a fwd manual.

I think we can get a little too attached to blower calculations on vendor websites, they are estimated under ideal conditions, and I'd say they more than likely assume a number of things remaining constant or maintaining a constant function. If in doubt, run the vendor calculators and look at the realtionship between the variable and the dependent - IT IS LINEAR. I can say with absolute confidence that in the real world it does not respond in a linear manner when one variable is changed.

We need to consider the torque moment contributed by the downward movement of the connecting rods, which is a function of the ACTUAL thermodynamics and gas calcs within each cylinder. If we believed the simplified blower calculators, top fuel dragsters and 1000hp EVOS could not exist.

I think this Bullet set-up will surprise a lot of people once they start to optimise the engine to suit it.

And yes, all I care about is 0-60 at the lights and dispelling myths about engine performance.

All i can say is WICKED!:badgrin:

Would it be appropriate to add.... I JUST WANT ONE!!!!!! haha not a holden either!:bowrofl:

awesome.

I know how stoked you are to be back in it.

add me to jealous hit list...awsome work mate...just gotta have FI on my next car.

wow man thats great.
i want one for mine now lol i want the cash to pay for it too :bowrofl:

looks good pete!!! that should be just about enough hp now to beat the camry next year in the amazing race :P :bowrofl:

what's the capacity of the radiator tank on the intercooler for this one?

alright its all done Pete, i did not think it would be finished yet, when i saw it last it looked like they still had a bit to do on it, it looks good nice and neat thats one thing with Bullet they do good work, and you got a good result on your dyno nice :thumbsup:,
hope to see ya on the next Cruz.

looks good pete!!! that should be just about enough hp now to beat the camry next year in the amazing race :P :bowrofl:

we woulda beat u in it without the s/c:P :bowrofl: ...


anyway.. on topic.. pete, looks the goods mate.. cant wait to see on the springbrook cruz..

Looks awesome pete. Congrats on the power. So damn jealous

tbb - You'd have to be thinking about going manual on that AWD - ?

-Dan

thanks for the comments guys.. Ever since I brought my ralliart I have wondered what it would be like to be able to spin the wheels in 3rd without really trying to:badgrin:

Chisolm mate.. do u really have to question every dyno figure posted on this forum..:nuts:
Chiptorque are a very reputable company.. and just look at how smooth the graph is.. i highly doubt they would want to risk their reputation by producing a manipulated dyno reading...:doubt:
however thanks for your other comments and I agree with you there is no way im puting this into an awd.. if I was going to look at anything like this it would be (dare I say it...) a RWD conversion.. but even then that is something I doubt I will even look into let alone follow through.

However there is definitly good room for improvement.. later on down the track an enginerebuilt and more boost is on the plan.. and hell maybe even a spray of nos while im at it.. however I don't see this happening for atleast a year. and the best thing is Bullet Supercars will even do the engine rebuild :cool:

so far since i picked it up at 5pm Wednesday afternoon I have done 400k's hehhe... and its suprisingly economical... considering the way i've been driving it.. and let me just say for the 2nd custom made Rotrex kit that this company has produced, the way it has been a drive in, drive out experience for me is just a sign of how great their workmanship is. and the install is clean as clean can be.

Next addition is a SARD fpr.. this should help keep the fuel upto it a little better.. at the moment its bordering on the lean side once it gets above 5800rpm..

The thing I love most about this kit is the tune. and the driveability. you cannot feel the power kick in. there is no flat spots, just nice smooth power and if need be I can drive it sedately without any issues.. except the itch in my right foot. I would even say if driven 'normally' it would be substantially more economical than it previously was..

for comparison, I believe;
John Boy's Rotrexkit at 8psi and with a 4sp Auto is making 187kw
Tzaboy's sprintex kit at 10.5psi made 214kw prior to the rebuild... Not sure what power it is making after the rebuild..

Oh and Al, you got your drive before I even saw this thread again hehehe..

thanks again for the comments guys.. and I will post up some more pics and maybe even some video's if ya lucky.

I'll see you at willowbank..........one day..........Drag Mike out there to lol

I'll see you at willowbank..........one day..........Drag Mike out there to lol

pfft..... I got nothing to prove.

:cool:

I'll see you at willowbank..........one day..........Drag Mike out there to lol

lol... i heard a rumour of what u are plannin.... i ain't lookin forward to it.. although it sounds insane!!!

for comparison, I believe;
John Boy's Rotrexkit at 8psi and with a 4sp Auto is making 187kw
Tzaboy's sprintex kit at 10.5psi made 214kw prior to the rebuild... Not sure what power it is making after the rebuild..

I could be wrong but from memory Jase hadnt even hit 200 yet.. He is 196 or 198. Something like that..

He did hit 218 at auto saloon when they sprayed Compressed Air in the intake while it was on the dyno..:P

I could be wrong but from memory Jase hadnt even hit 200 yet.. He is 196 or 198. Something like that..

He did hit 218 at auto saloon when they sprayed Compressed Air in the intake while it was on the dyno..:P

I would be cool to have another dyno day to compair where everyone is... on the same dyno... then we should all head to WSID...

MINI Magna Meet?

Give it a month or two...?

I could be wrong but from memory Jase hadnt even hit 200 yet.. He is 196 or 198. Something like that..

He did hit 218 at auto saloon when they sprayed Compressed Air in the intake while it was on the dyno..:P

actually it was a NOS bottle being opened straight from the valve towards the intake, looking at the photos it was held about 3-4 feet from the front corner of the car.

lol... i heard a rumour of what u are plannin.... i ain't lookin forward to it.. although it sounds insane!!!


What you heard lol Maby I'll confirm some rumours!!

actually it was a NOS bottle being opened straight from the valve towards the intake, looking at the photos it was held about 3-4 feet from the front corner of the car.


thats erect my fuzzy wuzzy friend!lol

Chisolm mate.. do u really have to question every dyno figure posted on this forum..:nuts:
Chiptorque are a very reputable company.. and just look at how smooth the graph is.. i highly doubt they would want to risk their reputation by producing a manipulated dyno reading...:doubt:


Mate I only question dyno readings that have something "sus" about them that stands out.

There's no getting around the fact your run was done with a ramp rate of 15km/sec, which is common practice for producing better looking figures and a smoother graph. I've seen other reputable places do it, it's a pet hate of mine and tuners who don't do it themselves, but it doesn't reflect badly on you or your car!

But there's no getting around the fact that that the figure of 215kw is a bit inflated (and plenty of graphs you see are like that).

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love what you've done with your car and I'm sure it absolutely flies!

well done pete:thumbsup:

Mate I only question dyno readings that have something "sus" about them that stands out.

There's no getting around the fact your run was done with a ramp rate of 15km/sec, which is common practice for producing better looking figures and a smoother graph. I've seen other reputable places do it, it's a pet hate of mine and tuners who don't do it themselves, but it doesn't reflect badly on you or your car!

But there's no getting around the fact that that the figure of 215kw is a bit inflated (and plenty of graphs you see are like that).

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love what you've done with your car and I'm sure it absolutely flies!

there are many other variables though which could justify why they have the ramp rate up high.. i'd like to see you give chiptorque a call and ask them yourself. every thread where someone posts up a dyno graph u post up sayin this or that like ur some kinda expert on the ****.. You did the same thing about john boy's rotrex supercharged graph although you crapped on about it being in 2nd gear...
Nothing against u personally but have a look at some of chiptorques other cars they do. they have a waiting list for 2 weeks to get on the damn dyno. i highly doubt they will put their reputation on the line for the sake of a few extra kw on a magna..

Anyways back on topic..

I offically don't like the rain even more than before.. although because of the way the car comes onto boost it is not that bad to drive in the rain.

my neighbours also think that there is a plane taking off down the street when i drive off really slow...
:badgrin:

This kit should easily be able to spin up 14psi with the right reduction pulley. I'd suggest going for slightly lower CR pistons when you do the next rebuild and ditch that 7th injector.

I can't see anything stopping your car from achieving 300kw at the front rubber if you take care with a few of the other engine mods. You could probably get there for around another 5 grand.

Will need some serious front rubber though!

This kit should easily be able to spin up 14psi with the right reduction pulley. I'd suggest going for slightly lower CR pistons when you do the next rebuild and ditch that 7th injector.

I can't see anything stopping your car from achieving 300kw at the front rubber if you take care with a few of the other engine mods. You could probably get there for around another 5 grand.

Will need some serious front rubber though!

hehehe I believe it does have a lot of potential..

I'm happy with how it is for now.. and down't know how I would go getting another 100 or so kw with just $5k... not with a magna anyway...

rebuild is definitly going to happen but not any time soon.. im happy with how it is right now and i think my wallet would slap me itself if I started to look at more engine mods this soon.

there are many other variables though which could justify why they have the ramp rate up high.. i'd like to see you give chiptorque a call and ask them yourself. every thread where someone posts up a dyno graph u post up sayin this or that like ur some kinda expert on the ****.. You did the same thing about john boy's rotrex supercharged graph although you crapped on about it being in 2nd gear...
Nothing against u personally but have a look at some of chiptorques other cars they do. they have a waiting list for 2 weeks to get on the damn dyno. i highly doubt they will put their reputation on the line for the sake of a few extra kw on a magna..



Mate, you and john boy's dyno graphs are the only ones I've "had a go at" recently, and the reason is simple, you both have ramp rates of 15...having a high ramp rate like that gives inflated readings, it's COMMON KNOWLEDGE for anyone who has any clue about dynos. I've not seen any other dyno graphs here with such a high ramp rate, none that I can remember anyway.

I think you're being a tad defensive. No one likes to spend a heap of cash and then find out the result isn't quite what they hoped it would be, or what they were told it it would be. Just because you don't like what I have to say doesn't mean I'm wrong.

While I don't think that 215kw figure is realistic, I'm sure it goes a bit harder than the Sprintex setups and absolutely flies! I'm sure from driving the car you are very happy with the result, no need to get caught up so much in dyno figures.

Even "reputable" performance shops do what Chiptorque have done. No offence mate, but it's obvious you don't know much about dynos, and therefore they gave you that printout because they knew they could get away it, after all bigger numbers always make customers more happy. I can guarantee you if a knowledable person was watching them, they would not have the cheek to do a run with a ramp rate of 15 in front of that person.

I don't consider myself an expert on the matter, but I know enough to make give an educated view. You can believe whatever you want. Frankly I'm getting quite sick of the backlash here I get from some people when I tell them true things they don't like to hear.

This is EXACTLY why the more knowledgable members here have either left or barely post anymore. So much easier to let people believe whatever they wanto believe, or have been mislead elsewhere to believe.

FTR, it's well-established that in our cars a genuine 170-180wkw in a manual will give a trapspeed down the 1/4 of around 170km/hr. If are you really making 215wkw, I think you should be seeing trapspeeds of around 180km/hr. Prove me wrong buddy.

Mate, you and john boy's dyno graphs are the only ones I've "had a go at" recently, and the reason is simple, you both have ramp rates of 15...having a high ramp rate like gives inflated readings, it's COMMON KNOWLEDGE for anyone who has any clue about dynos. I've not seen any other dyno graphs here with such a high ramp rate, none that I can remember anyway.

I think you're being a tad defensive. No one likes to spend a heap of cash and then find out the result isn't quite what they hoped it would be, or what they were told it it would be. Just because you don't like what I have to say doesn't mean I'm wrong.

While I don't think that 215kw figure is realistic, I'm sure it goes a bit harder than the Sprintex setups and absolutely flies! I'm sure from driving the car you are very happy with the result, no need to get caught up so much in dyno figures.

Even "reputable" performance shops do what Chiptorque have done. No offence mate, but it's obvious you don't know much about dynos, and therefore they gave you that printout because they knew they could get away it, after all bigger numbers always make customers more happy. I can guarantee you if a knowledable person was watching them, they would not have the cheek to do a run with a ramp rate of 15 in front of that person.

I don't consider myself an expert on the matter, but I know enough to make give an educated view. You can believe whatever you want. Frankly I'm getting quite sick of the backlash here I get from some people when I tell them true things they don't like to hear.

This is EXACTLY why the more knowledgable members here have either left or barely post anymore. So much easier to let people believe whatever they wanto believe, or have been mislead elsewhere to believe.

I have never once said I know anything about dyno's or any of this.. but I know enough to say you don't get a name like Chiptorque have without knowing your stuff.. and I have a business mind that tells me giving my magna a dodgy read out is not a wise business move for them.

I personally had nothing to do with chiptorque the guys at bullet arranged everything.. so what ur saying you know more than what they do? If so I'm sure they'd love to have you on board as obviously there countless years of experience just doesn't match yours?

im not being defensive about the power result honestly i was suprised myself that it was as high as it is and so were the guys at bullet... I love the way it drives and im 100% happy with what bullet have put together for me.

The issue I have is that you go around talkin like you are some dyno expert.. fair enough you may like to comment that the ramp rate seems a little high.. but to blatently go out and say that the result is optimistic and dodgy is a massive call and I honestly don't think its appropriate..
I'm not saying you don't know your ****, I think your contribution to our community is great and your knowledge in many areas is great and you can show this.. but your goin up against a big company here that had nothing to gain from giving me a false reading in an area which you yourself have admitted to not being an expert..

but mate, say whatever you like about the power figure ... simple matter is one of qld's biggest tuners has put their name on it. and bullet have put together a hassle free base package for us. which has endless potential for those game enough to try..

and I will ask them why the ramp rate is higher than I have seen and we will see what they say...

FTR, it's well-established that in our cars a genuine 170-180wkw in a manual will give a trapspeed down the 1/4 of around 170km/hr. If are you really making 215wkw, I think you should be seeing trapspeeds of around 180km/hr. Prove me wrong buddy.

lol... we'll see.. i still gotta learn how to drive it before i think about heading out to the track.. but as soon as I do you will be the first to know..

The issue I have is that you go around talkin like you are some dyno expert.. fair enough you may like to comment that the ramp rate seems a little high.. but to blatently go out and say that the result is optimistic and dodgy is a massive call and I honestly don't think its appropriate..



I never claimed to be an expert on dynos, I'm just passing on info which IMO is from a very reliable source. I've had a long chat about the issue to my trusted tuner, who worked for Haltech for 10+ years and as a unquestionanably an authority on tuning in this country. I've also talked to another well-respected tuner about this. The bottom line is higher ramp rates such as the one shown on your graph have a STRONG tendency to give inflated readings.

IMO it would be silly of me to NOT make that call after learning what I have learnt, after seeing your printout. I'm not here to try to bring down what you've done at all, I love the setup you've got, and we're having this conversation because I'm very interested in it :) I'm not saying I'm 100% sure your reading is a bit inflated, but to my judgement IMO more than likely it is, and I think you should be aware of that.



your goin up against a big company here that had nothing to gain from giving me a false reading in an area which you yourself have admitted to not being an expert..


It's not about going up against anyone, I'm sure bullet have done a fine job on your car, and you are obviously happy with how it drives. I think you'll find if you look into the culture of dyno printouts, there's a certain "flexiblity" on what's appropriate and what isn't. You'll probably find Chiptorque/Bullet's response is "we aren't being dodgy, we are just giving you a "power run" the same way as many places would do".

I guess it's a subjective thing, some tuners probably consider a ramp rate of 15 as "normal", as it's probably common practice in some places/areas when giving customers a final "power run". While other tuners who prefer to work with more "realistic" dyno configurations undoubtedly scoff at the "dodgy readings" they see other operators give.

A good example of this is power figures from the US. It seems as a general rule, on average dyno figures from US dynos tend to be about 10% higher than here. Because of this, the americans seem to on average underrate drivetrain loss % compared to over here. To us this seems incredibly silly, but try convincing americans their dynos are BS :P

Anyway, I suppose we may just have to agree to disagree on the matter, but that's my 2 cents, and I'll be interested to see things pan out with your car :)

What you heard lol Maby I'll confirm some rumours!!

i have even heard rumors of someone else going just as if not more insane....but not and indentical path though:shhhh:

For ****s sake stop arguing the pair of ya's.

Dyno's are a tuning tool. End of story. They can however be used for bragging rights at dyno days for example, where all cars are subject to the same conditions.

Pete - don't bet your pinkslip on the fact that your car is making 215kW at the wheels, as every dyno is different, and I know of one "reputable" performance workshop in Brisbane who has a reputation among tuners and modifiers as being the place you get your car dyno'd if you're going to sell it - if you know what I mean.

stick it on a hub dyno, that will silence a few critics.

hehehe every dyno/operator is different.. geez i remember a dyno day when my ralliart made over 200hp atw.. :bowrofl: although on the same day and same dyno a supercharged cv6 monaro only put down like 160hp or something..

but thanks for your input chisolm.. and im not doubting your opinion.. just the way u go about expressing it:cool:

im experiencing some strange starting problems lately.. where the car starts then stops.. and then just kicks over and won't start, I have noticed though that if I leave the key on the on position until then engine light goes off and start the car with about 15% throttle it starts fine..
now my car did do the same before the install so im thinking its still issues with the alarm not recognising the key..

apart from that car is going great i drive the daily commute to work every day in peak hour traffic and it has no issues apart from my sore right foot from not being able to put my foot down.. but when soing slow speeds in 1st and 2nd it sounds like a jet is about to take off its great and people just stare.

not sure if anybody has asked this but whats torque steer like??

also any vinds so we can see and hear the beast in action??

i have even heard rumors of someone else going just as if not more insane....but not and indentical path though:shhhh:


ar weely, interesting, do tell, I'm intreagued, at least are they in QLD?

ar weely, interesting, do tell, I'm intreagued, at least are they in QLD?

yep:shock: I think I will give him the pleasure tho. It has been off the road more than a year now, and not sure when it will be back. pretty soon tho i think



im experiencing some strange starting problems lately.. where the car starts then stops.. and then just kicks over and won't start, I have noticed though that if I leave the key on the on position until then engine light goes off and start the car with about 15% throttle it starts fine..
now my car did do the same before the install so im thinking its still issues with the alarm not recognising the key..

I have had same problems, and is worse when cold. Starts, stalls try starting and it only turns over but not start...leave a bit and it starts fine. It will most likely be the battery. I am told that when starting, if there is insufficient charge the immobilizer will not disengage, and stall the car after starting a little bit. . I think the ecu gets a liitle confused. I am just waiting for the sucker to die completley.

I have had same problems, and is worse when cold. Starts, stalls try starting and it only turns over but not start...leave a bit and it starts fine. It will most likely be the battery. I am told that when starting, if there is insufficient charge the immobilizer will not disengage, and stall the car after starting a little bit. . I think the ecu gets a liitle confused. I am just waiting for the sucker to die completley.

It's def not the battery... I think just the immobilizer chucking a spaz lol


Torque steer is pretty good.. no worse than stock.. only thing is it spins the wheels in 2nd and 3rd instead of just chirping a bit.. I think the LSD makes the torque steer alot better anyways.. although I'm so used to it now I really don't notice it.

It is the battery!!

Had this problem a couple of years ago at the onset of Winter.
New battery - no problems

Gerry

Mate , can you tell me what your wheels are? I have never seen them anywhere!!!!!:shock:

Hey all, just thought I would share my latest addition to my ralliart. I've never had a bigger smile on my face!!:D

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SUPERCHARGED BY: Bullet Super Cars
TUNE BY: Chiptorque

Details of the job are…

Custom Rotrex Super Charger C30-94
Genuine Rotrex Front mounted oil cooler
Custom Water to Air intercooler
High volume ignition water pump and
Front mounted Radiator
Custom Cold Air induction
K&N Pod
Bosch BOV
Custom boost injector spacer
Siemens Deka boost injector
Chiptorque XEDE ecu
Walbro 500hp fuel pump

I am currently running 8psi, no real plans of winding this up until I do some engine work..

I already had pacemakers and a full 2.5”mandrel bent exhaust with the standard Ralliart tip.

Have to send out a massive thanks to the Guys at Bullet Super Cars, they have done a wonderful job.
I’m absolutely wrapped with how it drives.. the power is so smooth..

I have heaps more pics but its late.. I just couldn't wait to post up something..
Hey mate, What mods were made to the clutch...........

Hey mate, What mods were made to the clutch...........

hey mate, clutch is a modified exedy heavy duty clutch... Otherwise known as a Megatron Special...:)
handles the power well and good thing is the clutch should go before my gearbox which is much cheaper... aswell as the fact that it hardly feels any different than a standard clutch would.


As for the wheels, I brought them second hand,,, my understanding is they are custom made to fit over brembo brakes which is why they sit so far out to the guards... however they do nothing to assist power they are heavy as although it is a good thing in 1st and 2nd as it would help reduce the amount of wheelspin i have...

As for the kit its going really really well, no issues thus far.. touch wood..

Can't wait to get the Sard fuel regulator in there... that way I should have to be concerned so much about it running out of fuel top end..

One thing I find interesting about the dyno graph is the difference in the power curve at the top compared to mind. Mine made peak power at bang-on 6,000 rpm, and then starts to drop off gently. Yours peaks at about the the same point (6200 rpm), but holds it constant till about 6400rpm. Interesting to see even with FI the extra lift on the ralliart cams seems to help, I wonder how different yours feels to drive than mine.

On the track the optimum shifting point for me is probably around 6300rpm, but it looks like yours breathers better at the top and it would be worthwhile hanging onto each gear for a few hundred more revs.

Makes me wonder if it might be worthwhile for me to chuck in some second-hand ralliart cams, if I don't go for a more serious cam profile.

On the track the optimum shifting point for me is probably around 6300rpm, but it looks like yours breathers better at the top and it would be worthwhile hanging onto each gear for a few hundred more revs.




6300 RPM? Does the Sprintex ECU eliminate the rev limiter? Because my Sports is bouncing by that point?

One thing I find interesting about the dyno graph is the difference in the power curve at the top compared to mind. Mine made peak power at bang-on 6,000 rpm, and then start to drop off gently. Yours peaks at about the the same point (6200 rpm), but holds it constant till about 6400rpm. Interesting to see even with FI the extra lift on the ralliart cams seems to help, I wonder how different yours feels to drive than mine.

On the track the optimum shifting point for me is probably around 6300rpm, but it looks like yours breathers better at the top and it would be worthwhile hanging onto each gear for a few hundred more revs.

Makes me wonder if it might be worthwhile for me to chuck in some second-hand ralliart cams, if I don't go for a more serious cam profile.

Dont forget the extra headwork to go with the cams...

You people suck, nobody has asked how it SOUNDS yet...

/soundfileorban

6300 RPM? Does the Sprintex ECU eliminate the rev limiter? Because my Sports is bouncing by that point?

6300? AFAIK the rev limit was and still is 6800rpm.


Dont forget the extra headwork to go with the cams...

I'm not convinced there's much/anything to gain from headwork @ just 7-10psi of boost. Perhaps a "tidy up" to eliminate hot spots etc.

You people suck, nobody has asked how it SOUNDS yet...

/soundfileorban

Pete's already said somewhere. Like a jet or similar. Even in traffic.

Sound would be big turbo spool and as no exhaust restrictions the awesome v6 growl people are surprised by. To sum; awesome.

6300? AFAIK the rev limit was and still is 6800rpm.



I'm not convinced there's much/anything to gain from headwork @ just 7-10psi of boost. Perhaps a "tidy up" to eliminate hot spots etc.

No, the ralliart had mild headwork done to remove the shrouding of the valves. That coupled with the extra lift on the cams sure does help...

No, the ralliart had mild headwork done to remove the shrouding of the valves. That coupled with the extra lift on the cams sure does help...

I'm aware of that, but IMO with 7-10psi headwork over the regular magna heads accounts for bugger-all, at least according to sources I trust.

I agree the lift definantely seems to helps extend the powerband a little.

I'm aware of that, but IMO with 7-10psi headwork over the regular magna heads accounts for bugger-all, at least according to sources I trust.

I agree the lift definantely seems to helps extend the powerband a little.

Meh...Every little bit counts in my eyes...

One thing I find interesting about the dyno graph is the difference in the power curve at the top compared to mind. Mine made peak power at bang-on 6,000 rpm, and then starts to drop off gently. Yours peaks at about the the same point (6200 rpm), but holds it constant till about 6400rpm. Interesting to see even with FI the extra lift on the ralliart cams seems to help, I wonder how different yours feels to drive than mine.

On the track the optimum shifting point for me is probably around 6300rpm, but it looks like yours breathers better at the top and it would be worthwhile hanging onto each gear for a few hundred more revs.

Makes me wonder if it might be worthwhile for me to chuck in some second-hand ralliart cams, if I don't go for a more serious cam profile.

honestly... i haven't taken the car past 6000rpm yet.. at the moment i have a malpassi fpr that is stuck on 38psi at idle... chiptorque and bullet want it to be at 42psi but for some reason teh malpassi unit will not budge so we have ordered a sard unit.. so untill i fit this the i shouldn't be taking it past about 5500rpm or so..

honestly... i haven't taken the car past 6000rpm yet.. at the moment i have a malpassi fpr that is stuck on 38psi at idle... chiptorque and bullet want it to be at 42psi but for some reason teh malpassi unit will not budge so we have ordered a sard unit.. so untill i fit this the i shouldn't be taking it past about 5500rpm or so..

Hehe far enough, I know that that's like. For the first week until I could get the mixtures checked I was told to not go past 5000rpm just incase it was too lean up top.

I was a bit underwhelmed by how it felt up to 5000 rpm, since in NA form 5000rpm is almost peak power. But once I was told I could safely rev it out as far as I wanted, I realised unlike in NA form, 5000 rpm is where it's just starting to really wake up:)

I love the drivability of the Sprintex setup, full boost from around 2000rpm then revs hard to 6000rpm+ and doesn't feel "flat" till about 6200-6300rpm...In NA form by 5500rpm feels like game over.

Do you have a boost graph? I'm curious as to how the power delivery compares to the Sprintex setup, I imagine it boosts a little later and not as smoothly, but only marginally so? Plus thanks to the extra lift on the ralliart cams you have a couple more hundred revs to play with before it'll start feeling like its running out of steam.

Can't wait to see the results if you get some forgies and wind up the boost :) Is your current blower able to flow say 14-15psi of boost with a smaller pulley, or will you need to upsize it? (even if you I'm guessing it's relatively cheap).

At the end of the day the limitation with the Sprintex kit is you really can't run more than 10psi boost or it will lose reliability/efficency, which kinda sucks if you are go to the trouble/cost of getting forgies:cry:

Hehe far enough, I know that that's like. For the first week until I could get the mixtures checked I was told to not go past 5000rpm just incase it was too lean up top.

I was a bit underwhelmed by how it felt up to 5000 rpm, since in NA form 5000rpm is almost peak power. But once I was told I could safely rev it out as far as I wanted, I realised unlike in NA form, 5000 rpm is where it's just starting to really wake up:)

I love the drivability of the Sprintex setup, full boost from around 2000rpm then revs hard to 6000rpm+ and doesn't feel "flat" till be 6200-6300rpm.

Do you have a boost graph? I'm curious as to how the power delivery compares to the Sprintex setup, I imagine it boosts a little later and not as smoothly, but only marginally so? Plus thanks to the extra lift on the ralliart cams you have a couple more hundred revs to play with before it'll start feeling like its running out of steam.

Can't wait to see the results if you get some forgies and wind up the boost :) Is your current blower able to flow say 14-15psi of boost with a smaller pulley, or will you need to upsize it? (even if you I'm guessing it's relatively cheap).

At the end of the day the limitation with the Sprintex kit is you really can't run more than 10psi boost or it will lose reliability/efficency, which kinda sucks if you are go to the trouble/cost of getting forgies:cry:

You cant really boost past 10psi anyways because of the way the blower is geared... IMHO, 10psi on the sprintex kit is already on the edge on unreliable and is quite ineffecent...

I think the raptor / bullett superchargers are a much better design...

Hehe far enough, I know that that's like. For the first week until I could get the mixtures checked I was told to not go past 5000rpm just incase it was too lean up top.

I was a bit underwhelmed by how it felt up to 5000 rpm, since in NA form 5000rpm is almost peak power. But once I was told I could safely rev it out as far as I wanted, I realised unlike in NA form, 5000 rpm is where it's just starting to really wake up:)

I love the drivability of the Sprintex setup, full boost from around 2000rpm then revs hard to 6000rpm+ and doesn't feel "flat" till be 6200-6300rpm.

Do you have a boost graph? I'm curious as to how the power delivery compares to the Sprintex setup, I imagine it boosts a little later and not as smoothly, but only marginally so? Plus thanks to the extra lift on the ralliart cams you have a couple more hundred revs to play with before it'll start feeling like its running out of steam.

Can't wait to see the results if you get some forgies and wind up the boost :) Is your current blower able to flow say 14-15psi of boost with a smaller pulley, or will you need to upsize it? (even if you I'm guessing it's relatively cheap).

At the end of the day the limitation with the Sprintex kit is you really can't run more than 10psi boost or it will lose reliability/efficency, which kinda sucks if you are go to the trouble/cost of getting forgies:cry:

The supercharger will handle 14psi no worries at all. along time down the track it is planned along with the rebuild..
for now im happy with the 8psi...

i've been in a few sprintex cars before and it feels to me like the power in my car comes on alot smoother.. honestly if you didn't know it was supercharged then you wouldn't really notice it.. apart from loosing traction in first and second and the power it has in 3rd, 4th and 5th... its just such a nice car to drive.. and truely is an every day car which is what i wanted...

I don't have a boost graph.. Honestly I can't feel driving when its making boost or not.. but my understanding was the higher rev's the higher boost and that it was gradual...

Took the car on a mountain run last night and im very happy.. spent the whole time in 3rd and 4th can really notice the extra power.. and i have to learn how to accellerate our of corners all over again hehe... or get some stickier tyres...

but after a big solid run when i popped the hood the water/air intercooler was still nice and cold.. compared to the heat of the rest of the engine bay.. and the water in the tank was still normal temperature... so thats just a sign of how efficient the water/air intercoolers are.. would be interested to see how the two supercharges compare down the 1/4mile.. not so much the final time but how u see the difference in the supercharges and where they are hitting max boost.

The supercharger will handle 14psi no worries at all. along time down the track it is planned along with the rebuild..
for now im happy with the 8psi...

i've been in a few sprintex cars before and it feels to me like the power in my car comes on alot smoother.. honestly if you didn't know it was supercharged then you wouldn't really notice it

I agree Sprintex setups sometimes don't feel very smooth, but this is due to the Sprintex tune, not the supercharger itself. When I first got mine I was a little dissapointed about how it drove, felt a little "rough" and seemed to surge a little at constant throttle.

However, once I had the Sprintex tune tidied up by me tuner, it became FAR smoother, basically feels the same as stock at low throttle openings, cept when you put your foot down a bit more there's more urge than stock. This was a big relief to me, as on the track easy throttle modulation is a must!

Though with the Sprintex setup, even if it feels smooth/stock when drivien sedately, you can never forgot due to the obnoxious blower noise:P How does your blower sound? I'm under the impression centrifugal blowers are much quieter? (which I'm sure is a plus for some people).

Can't wait to see what kind of results you or someone else get from winding it up to 14psi (with the appropriate supporting mods of course). Though I suspect if you are taking to local circuits, the king of power it would have would render it a pain in the **** to try to drive quickly around a track. IMO with the Sprintex @7psi with LSD and GOOD suspension setup, there's definantely a bit more headroom for usable power on the track, but I suspect anything much over 200wkw is gonna be getting a bit frustrating.


You cant really boost past 10psi anyways because of the way the blower is geared... IMHO, 10psi on the sprintex kit is already on the edge on unreliable and is quite ineffecent...

I think the raptor / bullett superchargers are a much better design...

I will have to see what Sprintex have to say about this, but I think you are right, in reality you wouldn't wanto be trying to get more than 10psi about it. In theory it can make 14psi@6800rpm fora 3.5L engine, but obviously that's way out of reasonable efficiency range and on the limit of what the bearings are rated for.

I'd definantely prefer to have a centrifual blower, especially if I end up wanting to get forgies and make more power. Unfortunantely for me it was either the Sprintex or NA (and I jumped at the oppertunity to buy a second-hand sprintex kit).

I agree Sprintex setups sometimes don't feel very smooth, but this is due to the Sprintex tune, not the supercharger itself. When I first got mine I was a little dissapointed about how it drove, felt a little "rough" and seemed to surge a little at constant throttle.

However, once I had the Sprintex tune tidied up by me tuner, it became FAR smoother, basically feels the same as stock at low throttle openings, cept when you put your foot down a bit more there's more urge than stock. This was a big relief to me, as on the track easy throttle modulation is a must!

Though with the Sprintex setup, even if it feels smooth/stock when drivien sedately, you can never forgot due to the obnoxious blower noise:P How does your blower sound? I'm under the impression centrifugal blowers are much quieter? (which I'm sure is a plus for some people).

Can't wait to see what kind of results you or someone else get from winding it up to 14psi (with the appropriate supporting mods of course). Though I suspect if you are taking to local circuits, the king of power it would have would render it a pain in the **** to try to drive quickly around a track. IMO with the Sprintex @7psi with LSD and GOOD suspension setup, there's definantely a bit more headroom for usable power on the track, but I suspect anything much over 200wkw is gonna be getting a bit frustrating.


I'd definantely prefer to have a centrifual blower, especially if I end up wanting to get forgies and make more power. Unfortunantely for me it was either the Sprintex or NA (and I jumped at the oppertunity to buy a second-hand sprintex kit).

you can't really hear the blower at idle.. or anywhere below about 3000rpm.. only thing you can hear is the whine of the fuel pump.. which in my opinion is cool.. and at rev's you can hear more air flow than an actual whine of the supercharger.. and then there is the bov when you back off which because its plumbed back is more of a flutter..:cool:
i love driving slowely in like 1st or 2nd... because the surge sounds insane.. can only be compared to the noise a plane makes...
It's a shame your not in qld so you can't have a drive to feel the difference between sprintex and the rotrex charger..
but I do agree the sprintex kit would be more suited to track work as the usable power is more in teh middle of the rev range.. i believe.. however the lack of intercooling could cause some problems.. having said this Bullet use the Rotrex supercharger on their bullet cars (Mx5 with supercharged v8) and those things are awesom around the track so it can't be that bad.. and i guess on the track your mainly in the high rev's anyway...

I think i need to save up and get me some track rims and rubber and start seeing what this thing can really do.