I have a tough choice, I am going to get 3rd Gen for the missus.

As I value the input and experience of the members here, we thought it would good to get your opinions too.

Choice 1. ( my Favourite )
http://www.fotothing.com/photos/68a/68a12742616bc564dcc300a88106b4b3.jpg

05/2001 TJ Solara.
Tint, Fact alloys, ABS, Really good Nick, Twin A/Bags, one owner. 98,000km Will have the belt changed if I do the deal.


Or


Choice 2.
http://www.fotothing.com/photos/325/32543f06948d5fd64c668b5d5757972d.jpg
2003 TL ES.
ABS, EBD, 4 A/Bags. 76000km X-bank Vehicle. But theres plenty around at this price.


Both will cost between 8-9 after trade and on road.

What do ya think. Style or function?

Go for the TL. Stronger body than the TJ (the TL scored 40kg of additional body bracing), EBD and side airbags.

You've also got a bit more time before you need to replace the timing belt.

TW even better. By far the most refined Magna, and even base spec ES is packed with features.
If you can stretch it, get as late a TW as you an afford.

Regards, Andrew.

as much as i love my tjs you cant beat a newer car go the TL

You will be happy with the TL. The TL pic looks like Motorama Moorooka Budget Cars. (where I got mine from)

TJ2 ... TL had too much cost cutting for me.
(window switches moved to centre console...hate that)
(cheap climate control switches...hate that too)
(dorky dash/speedo backing... guess!)

i vote for the TL

but thats because i am a lil biased as having a KL.

the TL will come with more 'standard' verada features - like climate control as standard, whereas the TJ wont..

if it was a KJ and TL choice off, then i would vote the KJ for sure :)

i voted tj just my personal choice i don't like the look of the front on the tl.

The TL is a much more polished car. It scored a revised power steer pump boost curve, rear sway bar and revised spring and shock rates. A much better handler than the std TJ. Also as mentioned earlier it is packed with features compared to the TJ.

And on a personal note... I think the TJ is the most unattractive of the 3rd gen range. That beak and the recessed centre section in the bootlid screams of change for changes sake over the attractive TH and does nothing but make the car look frumpy and staid. The TL has aged much more gracefully and now people are getting used to it. The TJ looks very old in comparison.

The TL is a much more polished car. It scored a revised power steer pump boost curve, rear sway bar and revised spring and shock rates. A much better handler than the std TJ. Also as mentioned earlier it is packed with features compared to the TJ.

And on a personal note... I think the TJ is the most unattractive of the 3rd gen range. That beak and the recessed centre section in the bootlid screams of change for changes sake over the attractive TH and does nothing but make the car look frumpy and staid. The TL has aged much more gracefully and now people are getting used to it. The TJ looks very old in comparison.

:stoopid:

Go the TL: form AND function

PS. keep us posted on which one you end up going for

The TL is a much more polished car. It scored a revised power steer pump boost curve, rear sway bar and revised spring and shock rates. A much better handler than the std TJ. Also as mentioned earlier it is packed with features compared to the TJ.

And on a personal note... I think the TJ is the most unattractive of the 3rd gen range. That beak and the recessed centre section in the bootlid screams of change for changes sake over the attractive TH and does nothing but make the car look frumpy and staid. The TL has aged much more gracefully and now people are getting used to it. The TJ looks very old in comparison.


Well said...give "gonzo" (unofficial nick name from factory workers) the flick. Go the TL. Also its white, and during the hot scorching summer days you'll know why white is better.

TW even better. By far the most refined Magna, and even base spec ES is packed with features.
If you can stretch it, get as late a TW as you an afford.

Regards, Andrew.


how is a tw more refined than a tl?

different seat trim pattern, or an outline around the instrument cluster?
don't forget the series two badging and number plate holder

My TL for sale thread should pop up soon. However I'm in NSW.

Go the TL less K's and newer. Little things like rubber seals are younger, being a fleet car would be over serviced as "the bank" is paying. Also the TL has so many more features 4 air bags, climate control, and looks better (personal opinon):) Let us know!!

TJ2 ... TL had too much cost cutting for me.
(window switches moved to centre console...hate that)
(cheap climate control switches...hate that too)
(dorky dash/speedo backing... guess!)

1. Meh, its nothing really, I never really noticed it

2. At least it has climate control, TJ Solara does not

3. Tacho looks much more modern in the TL/TW

The TL also has these pluses:

Full electric driver seat
Side air bags
CD Player Standard
Much better trim, seats are of KJ EI Standard
Full trip computer
Rear sway bar
Much better handling due to improvements in design


Get the TL, get a dark tint, nice 18-19" rims, dump it, KL driving lights - pimp

This would make me buy the TL

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5774/tlle3.jpg

i voted tj just my personal choice i don't like the look of the front on the tl.
I'm sure after reading this comment he has now decided on the TJ purely because it looks better.

If your going to be paying roughly the same amount mate, might aswell get the best bang for buck.
If the TJ Was considerably cheaper then you might of considered it to be close but it isn't....Go the TL!

The TL is a much more polished car. It scored a revised power steer pump boost curve, rear sway bar and revised spring and shock rates. A much better handler than the std TJ. Also as mentioned earlier it is packed with features compared to the TJ.

And on a personal note... I think the TJ is the most unattractive of the 3rd gen range. That beak and the recessed centre section in the bootlid screams of change for changes sake over the attractive TH and does nothing but make the car look frumpy and staid. The TL has aged much more gracefully and now people are getting used to it. The TJ looks very old in comparison.

:stoopid:

Bias bloody TL drivers...


...go the TL. If we were comparing a TJ VRX to a TL Es maybe it'd be a different story, but the TJ would be the stupid choice in this decision.


Much better trim, seats are of KJ EI Standard
This I don't agree with, I've never been a low end TL with seats as nice as the KJ Ei ones in my car......maybe to KE/KF Ei seat standards, but there certainly nothing flash.

This I don't agree with, I've never been a low end TL with seats as nice as the KJ Ei ones in my car......maybe to KE/KF Ei seat standards, but there certainly nothing flash.

The only difference is the cloth, softer cloth used in the verada. Padding is identical.
Every been in a base TE-TJ magna? Crappy flimsy no padding seats.

go the tl less kms and being a x company car it would have been serviced all the time, this would be the smarter option plus i do not like the silver on the the solara go tl

Go for the latest model, even adding an extra few thousand for a slightly higher spec model. The re-sale will be better and your enjoyment of the car will be greater.

how is a tw more refined than a tl?

different seat trim pattern, or an outline around the instrument cluster?
don't forget the series two badging and number plate holder

Lots of small details, they threw all teh leftovers from the Magna parts bins at all the cars, even teh base model ones.
Remember, they weren't selling well. so they had to get rid of stuff.
And, you spend an extra $1k and get a two year younger car........ours is still under warranty.

Regards, andrew.

For me, the TJ will look heaps better than the TL if colour coded, tinted & lowered, but that's where it ends.

The TL is a far better car, has better handling, more power, better speakers, climate control etc. PLU will have better resale value.

']I'm sure after reading this comment he has now decided on the TJ purely because it looks better.

If your going to be paying roughly the same amount mate, might aswell get the best bang for buck.
If the TJ Was considerably cheaper then you might of considered it to be close but it isn't....Go the TL!


I didn't know i had such an influence on his decision thanks for pointing that out.So what your saying is no one takes looks into consideration.Like i said my personal choice.

i recon TL/TW since it looks stylish and better functionality, i get good torque + power and good handling especially for spirited driving through the hills :D won't get left behind by turbos!

Here's a link of my TW magna, can give you an idea of potential if you want to do anything to it in the future :cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhEKoDZdTnU

I'm really not a fan of the TL shape but it does look less dated than the TJ Solara, but with the right kit and styling the TL can be made to look nice.

Then again TJ VRX are very good looking IMHO. I know Boozer and Type 40 will disagree with me here but I think it has the most aggressive look of all the magnas this side of a Ralliart.

The later VRX models "looked" soft by comparison and lacked the visual impact.

The later VRX models "looked" soft by comparison and lacked the visual impact.
Couldn't be said better. the TL/TW VRX is easily the best looker of the TL/TW shape, but the TJII/MY02 VRX just ****s all over it :P

Go With the TL..

Easy Chioce.. Less Age & Kms, Better Resale and Safety..

TJ is just getting a little to old now.. Whats the differance in price..?? I cant see it being 10K. it will be a few so go TL..:)

I've voted the TL over the TJ.
For all the reasons listed in previous posts.


But then I wouldn't buy the TL unless I was 100% sure I'll lower it and change those rims.

Happy choosing to the OP.

You forgot to mention the electric drivers seat in the TL....thats a massive plus.

You forgot to mention the electric drivers seat in the TL....thats a massive plus.



The TL also has these pluses:

Full electric driver seat
Side air bags
CD Player Standard
Much better trim, seats are of KJ EI Standard
Full trip computer
Rear sway bar
Much better handling due to improvements in design



already done mate

Then again TJ VRX are very good looking IMHO. I know Boozer and Type 40 will disagree with me here but I think it has the most aggressive look of all the magnas this side of a Ralliart.

The later VRX models "looked" soft by comparison and lacked the visual impact.
I will agree with you that the TJ VRX looks aggressive. But Tupperware as a bodykit and tacked on flares do not make for a cohesively styled car. The only thing thats missing is fake allen keys like an LH Torana to finish off the flares...


Couldn't be said better. the TL/TW VRX is easily the best looker of the TL/TW shape, but the TJII/MY02 VRX just ****s all over it :P
I agree that the TL/W VRX is the best looking of that shape but you are WRONG to say the TJ VRX ****s all over it because it simply doesnt IMHO. (Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!)

Lots of small details, they threw all teh leftovers from the Magna parts bins at all the cars, even teh base model ones.

Are you saying they just randomly put 'extras' on the TW's?

I'd like to see proof of this!

I agree that the TL/W VRX is the best looking of that shape but you are WRONG to say the TJ VRX ****s all over it because it simply doesnt IMHO. (Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!)
TJ had parras, enough said :P

I would chose a TL purely for the more comfortable electric driver's seat, more features, stronger body and better steering, all aspects which let the TJ down. The fact that they are about the same price should make it a no-brainer really. Having said that, I get the impression from people on the forums that the TLs do not appear to hold up as well over time whereas the TJ was known and proven in my case to be very reliable.

Are you saying they just randomly put 'extras' on the TW's?

I'd like to see proof of this!

so would i, and colour coded headlights arent one of them, as they were first released on tl my04

TJ had parras, enough said :P

thats reason enough to stay away from the TJ / KJ IMO :P
(as im sure all you paras owners KNOW that paras look hot and sexi, but arnt very good for the night time vision..)

TL headlights are pretty good - and if it doesnt have them, put the driving / fog lights in too for some extra frontal lighting.

the TL magna is essentially an earlier 3rd gen Verada really, its got everything - electric seats, power everything and Climate Control across the range as standard equipment.

the TJ as great as it looks, is starting to age somewhat (IMO) - it DOES still look great dont get me wrong, but the TL shape hasnt aged as much - it still looks fresh and clean / uncluttered (again IMO)

best bet tho of what to buy - take both of the respective cars for a test drive back to back.
buy the one that makes you feel the happiest to own :)

personally, i would still buy the TL, its newer and it might still have some warrenty left on it too, and also being ex company car it would / SHOULD have had every service done too..

id also like to see this TW is the more refined car evidence as well, as they looked pretty much identical to the TL, seat trim changes dont really count as refinement...

TJ had parras, enough said :P
Um... I hate to break this to you Rhys by what do you think the std headlight is on a TL? Parabolic reflector type headlights... Not diffused (cut glass).

Um... I hate to break this to you Rhys by what do you think the std headlight is on a TL? Parabolic reflector type headlights... Not diffused (cut glass).
Ok you win that one, but TJ Parras look better :D

TJ also had the groove in the boot lid which gave it a bit more shape. TL has better side skirts though. Its much of a much really, theres positives and negatives for both.

As for the headlights TL vs TJ, I like not having to take off my wheel to change a light bulb. I guess its too bad if you've gotta do that job at the side of the road.

As for the headlights TL vs TJ, I like not having to take off my wheel to change a light bulb. I guess its too bad if you've gotta do that job at the side of the road.
Since when does someone stop to change a headlight globe on the roadside? Actually... Who carries a spare headlight globe with them? Most people drive around blissfully unaware! lol

Since when does someone stop to change a headlight globe on the roadside? Actually... Who carries a spare headlight globe with them? Most people drive around blissfully unaware! lol


Pffft.. I Got them..:P I also got most of Repco in my boot.. Only thing that i dont have in there that would come in handy is a Tow Truck..:P Could of used it plenty over the years..

Since when does someone stop to change a headlight globe on the roadside? Actually... Who carries a spare headlight globe with them? Most people drive around blissfully unaware! lol
I can think of a certain someone who drives a black TL VRX that sometimes forgets entirely lol

Nemesis made an excellent point, whether it be on the side of the road, outside the auto shop, in your driveway, where ever, I prefer to keep all four wheels attached to the car and firmly on the ground as often as possible, having to jack the car up, remove a wheel and the wheel lining just seems stupid for changing a globe.

changing the driver's side globe isn't to bad but the passenger side is a lot more difficult to get to without taking the wheel off but can be done.

No wheel taking off needed at all fellas!

You access the drivers by removing the washer bottle and then loosening the horn and swinging it out of the way if you have big hands,thats it

The paasenger is a bit more inolved,you remove the battery and take the bolts out that support the fusebox and pull it out of the way,thats it!

I have done this a few time already on my TW VRX when fitting new globes and recently fitting a headlight relay

Steve

No wheel taking off needed at all fellas!

You access the drivers by removing the washer bottle and then loosening the horn and swinging it out of the way if you have big hands,thats it

The paasenger is a bit more inolved,you remove the battery and take the bolts out that support the fusebox and pull it out of the way,thats it!

I have done this a few time already on my TW VRX when fitting new globes and recently fitting a headlight relay

Steve

This info needs to be stickied. Good work Steve.

The paasenger is a bit more inolved,you remove the battery and take the bolts out that support the fusebox and pull it out of the way,thats it!
Steve

Good point Stevo, but still.. the point he was making was that do do this from the side of the road, removing the wheel and undoing the inner mud flap is still quicker, and the preferred way according to the MMAL manual. And you really don't want to disconnect the battery, do you?

No wheel taking off needed at all fellas!


You are dead right... I was having a look at the headlight arrangement earlier today and saw that it is as hard as any TE to TJ to get at. Why you would have to remove the wheel to get at a globe is beyond me... Its like saying that to start the engine you need to rub your belly whilst patting yourself on the head. Makes about as much sense.

There is no doubt that this the TL headlight assembly and neighboring components is a design issue when it comes to changing light bulbs. If it takes more than 30 seconds to change a light bulb then its too complicated.

However given that there is no solution to the design problem, there are two well known methods of changing the left front (passenger) head lamp light bulb. Either of which is a pain, and also dependent on the tools you have at hand.

Having said all that, if you think changing the light bulbs are hard enough on a TL, try changing the headlight assembly.

To the OP, the TL is a better option, its not often you need to change light bulbs in your headlights.

The TL is a much more polished car. It scored a revised power steer pump boost curve, rear sway bar and revised spring and shock rates. A much better handler than the std TJ. Also as mentioned earlier it is packed with features compared to the TJ.


Care to explain that a little more?

i wouldn't not buy a TL just because it takes an extra 10min to change the light bulb but.

if you could a get TL vr-x but, i would definately recommend that over the ES. just the little extra bits here and there. all depends on what price you can find one though.

Care to explain that a little more?

TJs and prior had a problem on highways where it tends to drift (too much assistance in
centre position). The TL and TW feels much better on centre and off centre.

Care to explain that a little more?



TJs and prior had a problem on highways where it tends to drift (too much assistance in
centre position). The TL and TW feels much better on centre and off centre.
Yeah. Basically they subtracted some assist from the pump and altered the torsion bar rate within the steering column to add weight and feel to the steering. Very similar to what was done on the TJ Ralliart.

The TL is a far better car, has better handling, more power.


Was the rear swaybar stock on all TL models?

And no TL model had any more power over its equivalent TJ Cousin.

Was the rear swaybar stock on all TL models?

And no TL model had any more power over its equivalent TJ Cousin.

yes stock on all TL onwards apparently

If anything, the TL's were heavier than the TJ's due to added body bracing...

And no TL model had any more power over its equivalent TJ Cousin.

Given the two examples listed by the OP & checking on redbook (http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/comparespecs.php?id2=86719&id=86230) it appears there is a power difference. Might only be 5KW or 16nm but it's there.

get a ralliart colt....oh ****.:redface:

i voted TJ...but i actually meant to go for TL.

its obviuos, Bang for ya Buck....TL actually isnt as bad looking as ppl sometimes say..and as people have said stronger body, better steering, and with the chop that was posted before, they look sexy as with big ass rims lol.

go the tl.

Given the two examples listed by the OP & checking on redbook (http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/comparespecs.php?id2=86719&id=86230) it appears there is a power difference. Might only be 5KW or 16nm but it's there.

TJ s2 had the same power figures as TL/TW

so does the TJ Series 1.

TJ s2 had the same power figures as TL/TW

...agreed. But the OP was asking for the pros & cons of a TJ series1 solara & the TL ES.

so does the TJ Series 1.


Did you read this? (http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/comparespecs.php?id3=86626&id=86230&id2=86719) Or is Redbook wrong?

Can I ask a stupid question?

Isn't there a rather large difference in price between a TJ Solara and this TL Es? If your comparing the two models, surely you would be looking at a TJ Sports/VRX for the same money as a TL Es?

Can I ask a stupid question?

Isn't there a rather large difference in price between a TJ Solara and this TL Es? If your comparing the two models, surely you would be looking at a TJ Sports/VRX for the same money as a TL Es?


I have a tough choice, I am going to get 3rd Gen for the missus.


Both will cost between 8-9 after trade and on road.


he has found 2 options that he is comfortable with and its for the missus, why would you want to talk him into buying a sports varient?
doubt his missus will be trying to find the 8kw and 1nm of torque difference.

he has found 2 options that he is comfortable with and its for the missus, why would you want to talk him into buying a sports varient?
doubt his missus will be trying to find the 8kw and 1nm of torque difference.
Because they are pretty much the same car... No huge increase in power so his mrs won't have any gripe with that, plus she gets to call it a 'sports' or 'vr-x'... Chicks dig what's on the badge for some reason.

Did you read this? (http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/comparespecs.php?id3=86626&id=86230&id2=86719) Or is Redbook wrong?

The change in engine outputs was not between Series 1 and Series 2 TJ models, it was simply a change instigated seperately in 2002. My TJ Series 1 is an early 2002 model and has the 155kW motor.
http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/specs.php?id=86461

he has found 2 options that he is comfortable with and its for the missus, why would you want to talk him into buying a sports varient?
doubt his missus will be trying to find the 8kw and 1nm of torque difference.
When did I try and talk him into a sports varient? Re-read my post, I was commenting on what model TJ one would think you'd be looking at in the same price range as a TL. No where did I say he SHOULD be looking at a Sports/VRX.

The change in engine outputs was not between Series 1 and Series 2 TJ models, it was simply a change instigated seperately in 2002. My TJ Series 1 is an early 2002 model and has the 155kW motor.
http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/specs.php?id=86461


Whoohoo!! Good for you!! :bowdown:

But what was this topic/ thread about? Your car v the TL or the TJ1 Solara v the TL?


I have a tough choice, I am going to get 3rd Gen for the missus.

As I value the input and experience of the members here, we thought it would good to get your opinions too.

Choice 1. ( my Favourite )
05/2001 TJ Solara.
Tint, Fact alloys, ABS, Really good Nick, Twin A/Bags, one owner. 98,000km Will have the belt changed if I do the deal.

Or

Choice 2.
2003 TL ES.
ABS, EBD, 4 A/Bags. 76000km X-bank Vehicle. But theres plenty around at this price.

Both will cost between 8-9 after trade and on road.
What do ya think. Style or function?


Read the whole post - ALL of it & you'll see the validity of my point. If you want to discuss the pros & cons of your car versus the TL, then start a thread about it.

get off your high horse fool!

Other members were using the engine output of each respective car in order to base an opinion, i was merely stating a minor factual discrepancy. Whats with the aggressiveness? I dont understand?

Yeah. Basically they subtracted some assist from the pump and altered the torsion bar rate within the steering column to add weight and feel to the steering. Very similar to what was done on the TJ Ralliart.

Thats quite interesting. Was it pulling in a particular direction, or it simply moved too much when steered?

Thats quite interesting. Was it pulling in a particular direction, or it simply moved too much when steered?
there was too much movement while on centre which required constant correction, especially on highways.

Nah,no pullling etc,It is just the fact it was very over assisted and had a big "lazy" spot around the centre of the steering arc which made you have to correct more than you should have on sweeping bends etc

Steve

Found a wholesale dealer down the coast, has 2004 and 2005's ES's for under 10 grand:badgrin:

So TW es for me.

Thanks for all those who posted valuable information.

Gettin finance now, and cause he's a dealer I can Secured Car Loan rates.

So TW es for me.


If its a white one do you want to swap headlights??? :D

If its a white one do you want to swap headlights??? :D
More info Pics or Ban, I'm surprised the first post wasn't for his Ph number

More info Pics or Ban, I'm surprised the first post wasn't for his Ph number

he wants your colour coded headlights, they came standard on TW magnas, they are also manufactured with the colour so you are not able to re spray it to another colour.

he wants your colour coded headlights, they came standard on TW magnas, they are also manufactured with the colour so you are not able to re spray it to another colour.
Thanks for stating the bleeding obvious Boozer! I think Shoot knows what im getting at... lol

Thanks for stating the bleeding obvious Boozer! I think Shoot knows what im getting at... lol
Thanks for stating the bleeding obvious Boozer! I think Shoot knows what im getting at... lol

Wrong, Investigating now:redface:

Thanks for stating the bleeding obvious Boozer! I think Shoot knows what im getting at... lol

Wrong, Investigating now:redface:
Gee... Now you have given him ammo to fire back at me! lol

So whats wrong with yours
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/davepax982/TLVR05.jpg

Um you cant pain't yours, and you can a TW?????????:cry:
Why was I born so simple.

So whats wrong with yours
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/davepax982/TLVR05.jpg

Um you cant pain't yours, and you can a TW?????????:cry:
Why was I born so simple.
I am afflicted with a similar complaint... Simplicity! The TW had colour keyed lights. The TL had either black, chrome or colour coded. They are a sealed unit so you cant dismantle them to paint them. I was thinking white lights would look good on mine... Well maybe!

If you went white.......
http://farm1.dealernet.com.au/stock/20080523/6E2FA5E3D9F940A0AE0E67024DA5D829.jpg

IMO Blurgh

Black TL headlight inserts FTW...because it matches my black duco. lol Shoot I think you are making a good decision, enjoy the car.

TL/TW + mods = sexy form and function. Getting my windows tinted soon.:cool:

Yeah...I need a VRX bar though i think.

Yeah...I need a VRX bar though i think.

lol vrx front bars FTW!!!

He said he's put one away for me, already created a bit of interest for him. But I can still choose, even though I'm simple. :bowrofl:


Lowered, Wheels, Tint, Stereo, backwards facing hat FTW

Wheels make such a difference to a car. I have seen a couple of TL's roaming around with nice wheels (17" minimum) and it gives the car much better presentation. Without mods the TL/TW looks too sedate.

If you went white.......
http://farm1.dealernet.com.au/stock/20080523/6E2FA5E3D9F940A0AE0E67024DA5D829.jpg

IMO Blurgh

whilst you are looking at the car have a closer look at the wheels, you might have a rare TW that came with the ralliart enkeis

Wheels make such a difference to a car. I have seen a couple of TL's roaming around with nice wheels (17" minimum) and it gives the car much better presentation. Without mods the TL/TW looks too sedate.

its already on 17's :P

The TJ 2001 Solara I was first lookin at has now dropped in price at the dealer to 8995, its got 98000 k's on it, one owner and in really great condition. It Needs the 100,000 service on it though.

I'm off to look at 05 TW 55,000 ks and 2 years warranty left for 10800 on road.

whilst you are looking at the car have a closer look at the wheels, you might have a rare TW that came with the ralliart enkeis
I dare say the photo posted for the headlights isn't the one he's going to look at, doesn't look very ES to me. Looks like a VR Limited or something.

I dare say the photo posted for the headlights isn't the one he's going to look at, doesn't look very ES to me. Looks like a VR Limited or something.
Its not a VR ltd... If you actually have a look at it the car it has no driving lights, no mesh in the bumper and the V6 badge on the guards so it isnt a VR... I would think it has had nothing more than colour coding and a spare set of Enkies thrown on it to make it more "saleable". It also has the numberplate mount so it is a TW not a TL.

Its not a VR ltd... If you actually have a look at it the car it has no driving lights, no mesh in the bumper and the V6 badge on the guards so it isnt a VR... I would think it has had nothing more than colour coding and a spare set of Enkies thrown on it to make it more "saleable". It also has the numberplate mount so it is a TW not at TL.

agreed, it doesnt even have the VRX spoiler nor the badging down the side

Its not a VR ltd... If you actually have a look at it the car it has no driving lights, no mesh in the bumper and the V6 badge on the guards so it isnt a VR... I would think it has had nothing more than colour coding and a spare set of Enkies thrown on it to make it more "saleable". It also has the numberplate mount so it is a TW not at TL.
Ok you've got me there I don't know the late 3rd gens that well, at least I knew it was a TW, saw that numberplate mount you oh so kindly introduced me to at a meet a few months back :P

He said he was going to looking at a TW Es a couple of pages back, if that's an ES its a nicely spec'd one :cool:

Ok you've got me there I don't know the late 3rd gens that well, at least I knew it was a TW, saw that numberplate mount you oh so kindly introduced me to at a meet a few months back :P


If you knew it was a TW then why did you say it was VR? There is no such thing as a TW VR. lol

I only posted that for the Type40's benefit thinkin of a colour change.

It was a mettellic green TW ES 54000 Km/ no 45k service done (9000km past due), passenger door carpark dents (2), 05/05 mftr 08/05 first reg.

Of all the cars he had, that was the best service history he had. Most of his 04's had 75000km on em, and only up to 30k stamped. LOSER.



Rear Bumper just marked, Interior Good.
Thinkin still. We are in no rush.

I only posted that for the Type40's benefit thinkin of a colour change.I appreciate that! :D



Thinkin still. We are in no rush.
Have you had a look at any private ones? Thats how i got mine. I was watching it for a few months and saw the price drop from $17,000 to $14,000 and i managed to get it for $12,900 with a RWC and long reg. It has all the scheduled services done and was looked after really well. I looked at 2, both private and the other was a more desirable car on paper (Pewter VR ltd with slightly less kays) but when i saw the condition of mine i jumped at it! Even though i missed out on the Enkies and Konis... I can live with that however.

If you knew it was a TW then why did you say it was VR? There is no such thing as a TW VR. lol
Well i didn't know that there was no TW VR :redface:

$**,*** onroad, mmal warranty til 08/2010, collect Sat 28th.

05/2005 ES series11, 54000 km

congrats on the purchase :)

$**,*** onroad, mmal warranty til 08/2010, collect Sat 28th.

05/2005 ES series11, 54000 km
Here she is.
http://www.fotothing.com/photos/dc0/dc0c835f91014e186efbb6e271073edb.jpg

http://www.fotothing.com/photos/6bb/6bb4846a2609da87a129206be3cd3048.jpg

http://www.fotothing.com/photos/8e5/8e58cf4a869ec03b2ad13ac3fd8d4f28.jpg

http://www.fotothing.com/photos/3c2/3c28b9f96d5072942433c7025b6b0010.jpg

Drove it home from the coast today, ran great, like a car with that many Km's should.

Spent the rest of the afternoon, putting in a Pioneer WMA/MP3/Aux in head deck and a pair of VDO 200w (50watt) 6x9's.
At that price it wasn't dressed for sale, so a bit of armourall, and some more lovin and she be great. There a small dent in the Passenger front door, but we have a mate who'll fix that up, polish it and spray on some ming for us.

We still have a Nubira to sell coz we didnt trade it, everyone reckons we should get 4,000 grand for it. So all n all we did pretty well.

Mods are planned.
Come on tax time.
K&N (Panel)
LPG (Modded 380 SVI)
Tint
Cat back with a LR2779.
Alloy and black wheels.
Then she should serve as a second car for quite a while.

Wanted to take it on the Mnt Neebo/Somerset Dam tomorrow, but the 380 runs gas, no arguements there.

A really big Thanks to all that commented with informative and timely info. It really helped us make an informed decision.

I looked at so many cars, even TJ's advertised as TL's.

One thing I remember...........

I went to a yard that only had 6 & 8 cyl Falcodores, I asked ' any magnas?'.
' No ' he said ' why would you want a magna'

And thanks to you guys, I let him have it ' 4 airbags, ABS, Reliability, electric seats, gas compatible etc, etc, less than 100,000K's and all for under 15,000.
'Done your homework then' and he turned and walked away.


Ha Ha Ha....

Thanks heaps.....Greatest club in Australia.....


Sorry for the long post.

nice buddy =D you have same car as me now !

nice buddy =D you have same car as me now !
No, my wife has the same car as you now:bowrofl:

Sorry, couldn't resist.:)

All going well they'll last us a few years.
Will have to look at your mods

Here she is.


http://www.fotothing.com/photos/6bb/6bb4846a2609da87a129206be3cd3048.jpg

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Welcome to teh Daintree Green club!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/typhoonpud/MAGNA/Magnaathome005.jpg

Evrry time I see our Magna in bright sunlight, I KNOW it's the best colour for this body shape.

Regards, Andrew.

Thanks for posting up that Pic, Thats about what we want to do to ours. Neat alloys and a Tint to start, Cheers again. And youare right, that colour has grown on me, bigtime.

Thanks for posting up that Pic, Thats about what we want to do to ours. Neat alloys and a Tint to start, Cheers again. And youare right, that colour has grown on me, bigtime.
They need moar tyre, for sure. We have Grid 2's -215/65/15's on ours, and they're a perfect size really. I can't fault the handling when driven hard, and the tyres still have not let go.
Yes, 15" alloys, we has them on the TS and carried them over. The 65 series tyres really don't squirm around as much as you'd think, but with the availability of used factory 16" alloys now, I would definitely go 16s, purely for apearances.

Regards, Andrew.

Looking at these pretty hard, good price, but a long way away.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/buzzi88/DSCF0320.jpg

Those red caps cost extra LOL

they make the wheels spin faster tho!

You've been of to a great start. I still think the VRX front bumper really sets off the TL.

They are some nice looking rims, how long till you get them? :bowrofl:

You've been of to a great start. I still think the VRX front bumper really sets off the TL.

Agreed.