Hi all,

I`ve got a 97 Verada that I will be selling soon, but there`s always been this evil thought in the back of my mind of retro fitting the 3.5 V6 engine into an old Valiant (I`m into Vals too)..

Fitting and engineering logistics aside, does anyone know if these motors can be turned 90 degrees to be used as a rear wheel drive setup??

Obviously the gearbox is one of the major factors - did this 3.5 engine appear in any other Mitsu car in rearwheel drive config? Maybe Tritons of some year?

Thanks for any info you might have..

You'd need to find a gearbox that can mate to the engine in that orientation to start with.

You'll find there are better motors out there to put into your Val... 440 chev maybe :D

:stoopid: A valiant would be too heavy for a 3.5l. I'd be going for something a bit bigger that would fit straight in.
Only my opinion though!!:)

lol well.. tips to u for thinking orignal.. however something alot better value would be a chevvy gen 2 v8 in the crate with warranty probably cheaper than a mitsu 3.5 anyway

yeah a 440ci would be the bomb, or if you want something a bit newer a LS1 would be nice or a Gen 3

To answer your question this engine did appear in north south orientation in the pajero. Could have been some other cars aswell but I know that it did.

Thankyou Parker - that was the info I was after.

To the rest of you poor unedumacated souls - a chev in a Mopar.. pfft never. :nuts: :D

Mopars are far superior to any chev and yes there are many more proper Chrysler/Valiant motors I can put in an old Val, but this was more a 'what if/can it be done exercise' as I have a complete VErada aswell as access to many old Valiants. It`s a long stretch but Chrysler and Mitsubishi are sort of distant, inbred cousins.

As for the old Vals being too heavy, well most of the 60s ones were powered by Slant 6s (legendary motor) but the Mitsu 3.5 has a lot more poke than them anyway, so power and weight wouldn`t be a problem - this is for a daily driver btw, not all out performance..

So anyway, would the pajero gearboxes mate up to the Magna/Verada`s engine in the first place or were they different to the Pajero ones? Anyone know?

Cheers all

just get the pagaero 6g74 + box it will be dohc to boot

Thankyou Parker - that was the info I was after.

To the rest of you poor unedumacated souls - a chev in a Mopar.. pfft never. :nuts: :D

Mopars are far superior to any chev and yes there are many more proper Chrysler/Valiant motors I can put in an old Val, but this was more a 'what if/can it be done exercise' as I have a complete VErada aswell as access to many old Valiants. It`s a long stretch but Chrysler and Mitsubishi are sort of distant, inbred cousins.

As for the old Vals being too heavy, well most of the 60s ones were powered by Slant 6s (legendary motor) but the Mitsu 3.5 has a lot more poke than them anyway, so power and weight wouldn`t be a problem - this is for a daily driver btw, not all out performance..

So anyway, would the pajero gearboxes mate up to the Magna/Verada`s engine in the first place or were they different to the Pajero ones? Anyone know?

Cheers all
Fail thread is fail. Any chev big block engine will be guaranteed to go better than a 6G74 engine in RWD format.

You may as well go an RB25DET or something if you want a Jap motor in your Val.

just get the pagaero 6g74 + box it will be dohc to boot

not all of them. most are SOHC.

On a side note, i though it was going to be another "can i convert my magna to rwd?" thread. I'm glad its not. I do agree with the other lads tho, go for something bigger, Val's are a lot heavier than the magna/verada range.

Actually, if you want jap, get the 4.0 DOHC V8 from the SC400 soarer.

Fail thread is fail. Any chev big block engine will be guaranteed to go better than a 6G74 engine in RWD format.

You may as well go an RB25DET or something if you want a Jap motor in your Val.
I think what he was getting at Luci is putting a Chev or any GM engine into a Chrysler is a no no! Imagine a Toyota or Honda engine in one of ours? Hell no! The engine is the soul of the car... That said, I know someone who is fitting a 5.7 Hemi out of a 300C into a VJ T&C ute. That will be a weapon! lol

Our motors can RWD. There is a few stadium trucks in NT using them. Reason is they dont have enough room for V8(thats track no engine bay). They need good low and middle range torgue with out 3.5s have plenty off..:)

Only reason i know this is cause i had a few teams wanting my motor when it was getting built..:)

I think what he was getting at Luci is putting a Chev or any GM engine into a Chrysler is a no no! Imagine a Toyota or Honda engine in one of ours? Hell no! The engine is the soul of the car...

Indeed, and a Mitsubishi engine in a Valiant isn't all that bad since the two were in fact in alliance as Diamond Star Motors or "DSM". The two share powertrain between each other, whether it be 6G72's in Chryslers, the Astron paired up to the Chrysler A470 transmission, the Chrysler EDZ engine in the PT Cruiser being a 4G63... even Mitsubishi's entry into Australia was under that partnership.

Us Mitsubishi crowd and the Chrysler crowd are hand in hand when it comes to just about everything. :)

3.5L 6G74 seems reasonable. If it has more power and torque than the factory engine, then even better.


On a sidenote, I know someone looking for a Valiant project and this topic came up, very useful and coincidental. Now if only we could find a Valiant...

YEah it`s not a thing about more power - if I wanted power I`d go with one of the Mopar small blocks etc - this is more the case of, I have a Valiant that is a daily driver type car with a wheezy old carbied 6 cylinder in it - what if I could transplant the 3.5L into the Val as I am already in possession of a complete and driving Verada etc..

Then I`d be able to have the classic old car but under efficient smooth power for day to day use..

IN reality it would probably be a nightmare to actually get a 3.5L and associated gearbox into a car that it was never supposed to go into, however I just wanted to know if the 3.5L could be turned for rear wheel drive and what rear wheel drive config gearboxes could be mated up to it.

As I said, I have a Verada that I`ll need to sell soon (excess cars) so I`m just exploring the option before getting rid of it (as it`s a good driver and the engine`s good etc)

Probably just a pipe dream at this stage but it would be a nice driving car I reckon..

my cm val was only 1350kg they look heavy but there not!!!!!
i also would love a 3.5 in a val, good power and good on fuel

I think what he was getting at Luci is putting a Chev or any GM engine into a Chrysler is a no no! Imagine a Toyota or Honda engine in one of ours? Hell no! The engine is the soul of the car... That said, I know someone who is fitting a 5.7 Hemi out of a 300C into a VJ T&C ute. That will be a weapon! lol
Yeah I realise that, but I'm not really a traditionalist so I really don't care, take Turbo_Charade's BMW with the SR20DET in it for example. 12.7 second quarter mile? Giggity.

Actually, if you want jap, get the 4.0 DOHC V8 from the SC400 soarer.

Those engines are rubbish, there is a reason why our 3.5 sedans are quicker 0-100kmh than that 4.0 coupe. It only makes 190ish kw. And it would cost more than a 6g74.

YEah it`s not a thing about more power - if I wanted power I`d go with one of the Mopar small blocks etc - this is more the case of, I have a Valiant that is a daily driver type car with a wheezy old carbied 6 cylinder in it - what if I could transplant the 3.5L into the Val as I am already in possession of a complete and driving Verada etc..

Then I`d be able to have the classic old car but under efficient smooth power for day to day use..

IN reality it would probably be a nightmare to actually get a 3.5L and associated gearbox into a car that it was never supposed to go into, however I just wanted to know if the 3.5L could be turned for rear wheel drive and what rear wheel drive config gearboxes could be mated up to it.

As I said, I have a Verada that I`ll need to sell soon (excess cars) so I`m just exploring the option before getting rid of it (as it`s a good driver and the engine`s good etc)

Probably just a pipe dream at this stage but it would be a nice driving car I reckon..

I dont see why you could get the transmission of your choice bolted up with an adaptor plate of some sort?

You'll have to weld in new engine mounts and I'm sure there will be a few Electronics to be hooked up but its been done before many times in other cars i dont see why this would be an exception!
omg imagine the sprintex kit on this!

']I dont see why you could get the transmission of your choice bolted up with an adaptor plate of some sort?

You'll have to weld in new engine mounts and I'm sure there will be a few Electronics to be hooked up but its been done before many times in other cars i dont see why this would be an exception!
omg imagine the sprintex kit on this!
I'm imagining bearing seizures hmmm....

The 2006 on Triton comes with a 6G74 & 5 speed in RWD.

It's an interesting prospect. A slant 6 came with 145 or 160hp & 215(lb-ft). A rough conversion would give 110-120kw & 290Nm. This compares quite well with the power output of a 6G74 which then gives the added benefit of unleaded petrol and & a 5 speed gearbox.

If I was to change the motor in my Charger a new hemi (5.7 or 6.1) would be my choice. Either that or a 588ci hemi. :cool:

Think about the space to put in twin turbos? that would be wicked... stuff the sprintex! go garret!lol

Better still why not put in the 4wd ?

mate didn't mean to offend u in anyway.. and i used the chev engine just as an example.. IMHO using our engines for this sort of a project would be a waste of money as components are so hard to come by.. even with the money you would save by having the engine already...

for example my mate has a twin turbo monaro putting out over 600hp atw. and has spent about the same as me on engine mods...

im sure there are a few 300c's around somewhere that have been written off.. why not grab one of those.. and use their hemi engine?

Most Valiants are lighter than the Magna/ Verada range, and what about a 3000gto engine. Twin Turbo V6 Valiant....MMmmmm, that would get some looks and go like...well you know. Conside how quick a 1900kg 3000GTO is and imagine that engine in a 1300kg Valiant, any V6 Triton or Pajero box will suit. I was going to put a 3.5ltr in a Datsun Sunny, so have looked into it a fair bit, and the 3.0ltr and 3.5ltr have the same bolt pattern on the block for the gear box/trans bolt up.

Most Valiants are lighter than the Magna/ Verada range, and what about a 3000gto engine. Twin Turbo V6 Valiant....MMmmmm, that would get some looks and go like...well you know. Conside how quick a 1900kg 3000GTO is and imagine that engine in a 1300kg Valiant, any V6 Triton or Pajero box will suit. I was going to put a 3.5ltr in a Datsun Sunny, so have looked into it a fair bit, and the 3.0ltr and 3.5ltr have the same bolt pattern on the block for the gear box/trans bolt up.
My little brother has a 3.8L Buick engine in the Datsun Sunny in the shed :P Skid machine! Pity it's a rustheap :(

im sure there are a few 300c's around somewhere that have been written off.. why not grab one of those.. and use their hemi engine?



That said, I know someone who is fitting a 5.7 Hemi out of a 300C into a VJ T&C ute. That will be a weapon! lol
:D :D :D

why put a chev in a valiant?? Mopar motors are the most reliable in the world. 6 cyl or v8 cant go wrong!!

while we are all busy compaing power figures over which has more go than the other, ive been thinking, what kind of diff ratio comparisons do we have? - surely this would affect the overall "power to the ground" gains?......i would assume (in other words, i dont really know what im talking about:) ) - but im guessing that the final drive ratio on the valiant would be more favourable for the 3.5l and 5 speed box......

anyone care to pick apart everything i just typed?lol

mmmm most val's are 2.73 or 3.23 i think

You can keep your chev motors, C an H ear E ngine V alves R attle O n L ong E tended T rips ...

Grab a Hemi motor, these can be grabbed out of the states for a reasonable buck and wil at least keep the the theme of the Val

Grab a Hemi motor, these can be grabbed out of the states for a reasonable buck and wil at least keep the the theme of the Val

and be almost impossible to fit.. We`re talking 60s Vals here - have you actually seen a 426 Hemi in the flesh? They don`t call it the Elephant motor for nuthin' ;)

Anyway I`ve decided to just sell the Verada outright rather than stuff around pulling it to bits - it will better serve someone as a nice driving car that it already is, so if anyone is after a 97 Verada in Perth, WA soon - let me know..

Was not talking current hemi, was talking old school hemi, have seen many of these in Vals. They are an awsome motor

I wasn`t talking about the new Hemi either - the traditional 426 Hemi is a massive motor believe me and fitting it in the slender engine bay of 60s Valiants is no easy task. INfact it took Hurst a great deal of modifications to even fit it in the US Dodge Darts (same as our VF VG Hardtops) for a special limited edition run of Hurst Hemi cars in the late 60s, and even then it was only just squeezed in there AND they weren`t alllowed to be road registered..

So, all these Vals with 426 Hemis you`ve seen - got any pics? :P

what about a 3.5 motor from a pajero??? they came RWD/4X4 and manual or auto. acnt you use setup from that???

YEah that`s the info that has been given so thanks for that, but as I said in a post or two back, it was just an idea to put the Verada parts into an old Valiant, however I`ve decided just to sell the Verada now..