Just out of interest I wrote to these guys and got this email back.

"Hi, Yes these units will produce a small amount of boost, not huge amount but the X4 system which is recommended for your vehicle should give about 2.5 PSI above your normal vacuum. These have been fitted to Magnas successfully before, don’t have any specific data on performance however. Will find photos and more info at www.force-flow.com. Should get around 7-8% gain in overall power output + stronger torque and acceleration response, especially more noticeable at lower speeds. Cheers…."


Before any comment is made, you should check out there site.

BTW: An interesting thing to note is that the brushless motors they use are the same ones that you can buy from a hobby shop, they put these engines in r/c drag cars and 200kmh+ r/c planes. In other words, these engines are very powerful but I still doubt if it would produce any boost in the automotive application.

(And no I'm not trying to talk them up, I have nothing to do with them)

I can feel the IQ level dropping all around me....

Dude I have one of these and they are awesome.

I don't list it on my mods list because I want to keep it secret so when I race people at the lights they are all "woah is that stock" and I'm like nah just a panel filter hehehehe

Best $300 I have EVER spent.

idea sounds good..

BUT.. your better off wiring in a hair dryer to your intake.. will have the same effect...


which is...... absolutely SFA

I think all it would do is just maximize the efficiency of your air intake, I doubt you would feel it on the road, maybe better fuel consumption.

maybe better fuel consumption.

maybe.. but is it really worth the money u pay for it?

Thats just it, for $499 I'd rather get a set of extractors.

Thats just it, for $499 I'd rather get a set of extractors.
Dude would you rather extractors or a leaf blower... come on man this is BARGAIN PERFORMANCE!!

Lucifer, you are almost convincing.

Dude would you rather extractors or a leaf blower... come on man this is BARGAIN PERFORMANCE!!


Leaf blower anyday! since you put it like that.

Leaf blower anyday! since you put it like that.

the redneck way!!!!

those electric thingy's do work BUT the power drain on the charging system all but removes any efficiency that you gain...:nuts:

you would be better off cutting the air con belt for a few months... get more of a gain that way...LOL

thats it.

im buying one.

:nuts:

Must admit, it's an interesting concept - never heard of these before. Does raise some questions?

As mentioned before, would the current they draw and the extra strain on the alternator cancel out any possible power increase?

Does just blowing air harder down the air intake actually increase engine performance? Know ram air can work (and is probably a science unto itself when you get down to the nitty gritty), but if you are seriously increasing the airflow, can the ecu handle it and adjust accordingly without other mods?

I know this comes down to the "nothing is 100% efficient" argument, but turbos and superchargers work by tapping off engine power (either by a pulley, or hindering exhaust flow) and getting increased power gains (by sacrificing fuel efficiency).

Anyone got any science based input to this discussion? Would make for interesting reading.

They don't blow air harder down the intake at all. If you want an example of an electric supercharger, open up your computer and take a look at your case fan. That's an electric supercharger, basically.

The amount of air your engine is pumping in under it's own operation is greater than whatever the fan could possibly flow in. So the fan blades end up being a restriction.

Not to mention mechanical superchargers have this wonderful feature- they increase with the engine's RPM. No electric supercharger could do that without a whole range of sensors and variable resistors tacked on.

Just my 0.02c. You could probably get a better boost by constantly spraying a can of Start Ya Bastard down the throttle body while driving (believe me, this isn't an easy feat lol).

For similar effect, try hooking up the air intake to your car's air conditioning compressor. That's how CAIs are really done.

Mods can I organise a group buy for this outstanding product?

They don't blow air harder down the intake at all. If you want an example of an electric supercharger, open up your computer and take a look at your case fan. That's an electric supercharger, basically.

The amount of air your engine is pumping in under it's own operation is greater than whatever the fan could possibly flow in. So the fan blades end up being a restriction.

Not to mention mechanical superchargers have this wonderful feature- they increase with the engine's RPM. No electric supercharger could do that without a whole range of sensors and variable resistors tacked on.

Just my 0.02c. You could probably get a better boost by constantly spraying a can of Start Ya Bastard down the throttle body while driving (believe me, this isn't an easy feat lol).

Hmm. So if you have a 3.0L engine, is that 3.0L of air per revolution of the engine? All pistons up/down = 3.0L of air displacement? Is that correct? If it is, then your engine spinning at 1000rpm would need 3000 Litres of air per minute? Is that right? Correct me anyone? Right or wrong?

Hmm. So if you have a 3.0L engine, is that 3.0L of air per revolution of the engine? All pistons up/down = 3.0L of air displacement? Is that correct? If it is, then your engine spinning at 1000rpm would need 3000 Litres of air per minute? Is that right? Correct me anyone? Right or wrong?


i thought it was, if u took out all the **** in your engine, pistons n what not, u could fit three litres of what ever in there, horny goat milk, water, coke, what ever..

my take, im probably complelety wrong, dont tell me i am though, because that is how i have dreamt of it since i was a kid, filling and engine full of milk.....lol wow im wierd.

I'm gonna assume for a second here you aren't taking the piss:P

Mate this has been done to death. The amount of current and the size of the motor needed to produce any kind of tangible boost in this way heavily outweighs any gain you might get.

Put it this way, to make even measureable boost the motor would be more drawing MUCH more current than your alternator can supply at full capacity.

There's a reason why these kind of products havn't been widely adopted. They are simply utter bollucks and don't work at all.

There was an article done a while back where someone put a feasable electric supercharger in his MR2. It was powered by 3 starter motors which could only be switched on for a few minutes at a time because of the heat they produced and power they consumed but did give a power increase of like 25% for something like $1.5k. Kinda like a really lame electric NOS.

Yep, used three modified starter motors running from 36V, running the compressor of an Eaton M90. It takes absolutly stupendous amounts of power to produce boost.

There was also one that used a brushless DC motor on a turbo compressor, but that vanished in the sands of time somewhere...

Damn I need me one of these, and to think I've been wasting all my money on exhaust upgrades, intake upgrades and engine work when I could have just gotten one of these brilliant things!!!

Mods can I organise a group buy for this outstanding product?

put me down for one. always wanted some mad hetic supercharge.

omg i want in!!! this is hektik.... will these work in series?

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iv got a quad FFES setup in the tr and ye i kill everything on the road

like

everything

and instead of a fuel bump i have a vortex generator with 90 flux capicators plugged to it pumping a crap load of electric current to my well setup FFES cause you know...you gotta force the flow of electricity into the super dooper charger.

Quick maths...

peak power is around 5000RPM. 4 stroke sucks in air every second crank revolution, and with 3.5L swept capacity, thats 5000RPM * 3.5L / 2 = 8750 L/min of air sucked in, assuming 100% efficiency. That comes to 146 L/sec.

Thats a lot of air to be moved by one fan in a 100mm diameter. 43000RPM might cut it, but geez, they're plastic parts, I'd hate for the impeller to part company and get sucked into my engine.

Mods can I organise a group buy for this outstanding product?

+1

i might even buy two and connect them in series.
like dual pod filters.

yummy.

also we should do a group buy of blinker fluid.

+1

i might even buy two and connect them in series.
like dual pod filters.

yummy.

also we should do a group buy of blinker fluid.
:bowrofl:
make sure you put the second closer to the front grill so you get m4X1mUm c0lD 41R Fl0'z

man these things are almost as good as VeeTek haha