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Tejas
08-07-2008, 07:52 AM
Just bought twin pot from a user on AMC. I read the sticky on the forums but just wanted to make sure few things - if i can get the right answers from the Techs:)

Recently Upgraded wheels to 17" Alloys on my TR SE 4 Cly auto.

Which type of Roters should i buy?

Any Extra info would be great help

Poita
08-07-2008, 08:18 AM
Good buy! I upgraded to twin pot and loved it.

For rotors, get the DBA slotted (or wiper is another name).
Don't get cross drilled, as they have been known to crack and break under stress and chew through brake pads. Also no point spending the extra money if you aren't doing any track work.

I have slotted (wiper) rotors with twin pot on the front and tow a ski boat through the hills and down the freeway... no brake fade whatsoever. Whereas the old brake setup had me sweating by the bottom of the freeway.

[TUFFTR]
08-07-2008, 10:08 AM
Doing this now actually.
Getting slotteds all round, just over $400 for all 4 rotors..

if you dont really want to spend that much, grab some V6 rotors from the wreckers and get them machined, wont set you back more then $50..

86_Elite
08-07-2008, 03:44 PM
Got the V6 rotors on mine, quiet a good upgrade, 250mm > 276mm. I have now put the 276 in slotted on the front, and bedding them in with stock pads untill im happy, then ill put my EBC red stuff pads on. Even with just the basic pads and slotted, it definately pulls up quick.

Best brake mod ive seen and felt so far is the 380 brakes on a TL Magna, HOLY CRAP it stops quick. I got a blood rush to my head!

Madmagna
08-07-2008, 05:59 PM
You can either get the Protec or the DBA. If you are not going slotted, and I do not see any reason why you would go slotted for any street car, try and get other than DBA as they warp like a bugger.

I was the first one on these forums to do this conversion, make sure you also get your brake lines, or as most here spell it, break lines. ABS are certified to make them in complaince with the ADR's You will need to take them a sample, give them your old hose, the caliper end of the new hose, tell them you simply want a hose the same length with the ABS fitting on the caliper end.

Tejas
08-07-2008, 08:31 PM
Basically i need

DBA V6 Slotted Rotors
brake lines
hose with ABS Fitting

Correct me if i am wrong :) Thanks all

[TUFFTR]
08-07-2008, 08:37 PM
Mal, Interested to know why you are against Slotteds?
Was talking to my uncle (Ex-mech) today about it too and he was also against slotteds..

Just wondering why?

[TUFFTR]
08-07-2008, 08:39 PM
Basically i need

DBA V6 Slotted Rotors
brake lines
hose with ABS Fitting

Correct me if i am wrong :) Thanks all
I just asked for a brake line from a KS Verada, $33 later i had one that fitted right in, But yeah you need the V6 rotor and the brake line.

AND USE GOOD PIPE SPANNERS!! not the cheap ones....the 0.1mm its out by just strips all the brake lines...
done it once. fail

BiG 4 CyL
08-07-2008, 10:14 PM
im doing the same mod once i get around to it lol. i have the rotors and calipers, just need new pads and lines.
KS lines will work correct? i got DBA cross drilled rotors only coz i got em cheap, $180 for a pair, Tuffy will understand lol. 'They' were out of slotted.

but i just wanna make sure the lines off a KS will do the job?

Tejas
29-07-2008, 01:37 PM
all right,
Called ABS to find out the Pricing
$175*2: DBA Rotters
$65*2 : Hose
$200 : Bendix Brake Liner
$15 : Oil
$176 : Labour if no issues, can go up to 264 highest.

any Idea about the pricing ?

[TUFFTR]
29-07-2008, 05:02 PM
all right,
Called ABS to find out the Pricing
$175*2: DBA Rotters
$65*2 : Hose
$200 : Bendix Brake Liner
$15 : Oil
$176 : Labour if no issues, can go up to 264 highest.

any Idea about the pricing ?
ripoff rifoff rifoff

DBA rotors dont pay more then $95 each for slotted's (so say $190 for both)
$33 each for a hose (So lets say $70)
Brake liner???
Fluid - $10
Labour.....DIY it mate its easy as pie.

So no more then $270 it should cost for the conversion, OH and brake pads, Well I'm still yet to use my new brakes but i went QFM's on the front for $50 cant complain..

Madmagna
29-07-2008, 05:21 PM
What about the calipers, mate, if you are paying that much I am tempted to buy a plane ticket and come and do this for you, would be a good earner for me and also a quick holiday lol

As Tuff said, prices of his were good, I do not personally mind the Bendix 4x4 pads to be honest, do not know if they are still avail

Tejas
29-07-2008, 05:33 PM
I was keen asking for a price because I wanted to ask you guys first. Thats a rip off. I dont have tools as well as knoledge of changing those. I think i will just get the hose from them and have it done locally...somewhere

[TUFFTR]
29-07-2008, 05:35 PM
I was keen asking for a price because I wanted to ask you guys first. Thats a rip off. I dont have tools as well as knoledge of changing those. I think i will just get the hose from them and have it done locally...somewhere

got any mates who know how too?
I had no idea how to do mine but i had a previous member off here come over and well, do it for me but i learnt what to do in the process :)

Tejas
29-07-2008, 08:02 PM
']got any mates who know how too?
I had no idea how to do mine but i had a previous member off here come over and well, do it for me but i learnt what to do in the process :)

Nah, thats a issue... I will have to find :). If any one offiers help here, i would really appriciate :)

86_Elite
30-07-2008, 12:47 AM
*tumble weed*:bowrofl:

Tejas
30-07-2008, 08:21 AM
Guys, need your help. Will this Caliper fit ? they are from
Verada1991 – Aug-00KH, KF, KE, KS, KR V6, Di,Xi PBR Caliper (http://www.bendix.com.au/ProductCatalogue.aspx?reverse=1&manufacturer=Mitsubishi&model=Verada&Year=1991+%e2%80%93+Aug-00&variant=KH%2c+KF%2c+KE%2c+KS%2c+KR+V6%2c+Di%2cXi+P BR+Caliper&Hash=5F3C5952)
FRONT BRAKE PADS (Calipers?)

http://www.bendix.com.au/Catalogue/BrakeProfilePDFs/DB1203.pdf

[TUFFTR]
30-07-2008, 10:36 AM
Well thats a brake pad 1st up and They dont look like the right pads dude, think my fronts were DB 1223 off the top of my head, and the little metal clip at the top is only for the rears

Lucifer
30-07-2008, 02:16 PM
Guys, need your help. Will this Caliper fit ? they are from
Verada1991 – Aug-00KH, KF, KE, KS, KR V6, Di,Xi PBR Caliper (http://www.bendix.com.au/ProductCatalogue.aspx?reverse=1&manufacturer=Mitsubishi&model=Verada&Year=1991+%e2%80%93+Aug-00&variant=KH%2c+KF%2c+KE%2c+KS%2c+KR+V6%2c+Di%2cXi+P BR+Caliper&Hash=5F3C5952)
FRONT BRAKE PADS (Calipers?)

http://www.bendix.com.au/Catalogue/BrakeProfilePDFs/DB1203.pdf
NO.

You need a brake pad from a KS VERADA WITH ABS.

http://www.bendix.com.au/Catalogue/BrakeProfilePDFs/DB1223_Inner_Outer.pdf

[TUFFTR]
30-07-2008, 04:14 PM
My memory serves me well I guess.

Madmagna
30-07-2008, 05:28 PM
TR/S with ABS, KR/KS with ABS, AWD third gen.

The calipers are the same of both the second and third gen with abs, only difference is the metal mounting bracket

maggie3.5
30-07-2008, 05:41 PM
TR/S with ABS, KR/KS with ABS, AWD third gen.

The calipers are the same of both the second and third gen with abs, only difference is the metal mounting bracket


so can you swap the mounting brackets from caliper to caliper and have twin spots cheap for your 3rd gen ???

Lucifer
30-07-2008, 06:49 PM
so can you swap the mounting brackets from caliper to caliper and have twin spots cheap for your 3rd gen ???
TUFFTR had a play around with that...

Madmagna
30-07-2008, 06:57 PM
so can you swap the mounting brackets from caliper to caliper and have twin spots cheap for your 3rd gen ???

Nope, the bracket from the single and twin are completely different, the twin second gen bolt holes are too close together as well to mount to the third gen.

I have looked into solutions, there really are none that would suffice without serious engineering

[TUFFTR]
30-07-2008, 08:37 PM
Nope, the bracket from the single and twin are completely different, the twin second gen bolt holes are too close together as well to mount to the third gen.

I have looked into solutions, there really are none that would suffice without serious engineering

I had a look into this as I really really wanted Ralliart front brakes, I figured you'd need the whole 3rd gen hub assembly, not doing any math calculation, but if the splines were the same, I'd say It'd almost bolt on.

Although In townsville at the time it was like 30 degrees and i cbf taking out two hub assemblies! Would you know if this would be possible? as in, does it fit?

Madmagna
31-07-2008, 08:33 PM
The hub form a third gen will not fit the second, angles are different to begin with.

The Ralliart caliper itself is the same as the second gen caliper, only the rotor is larger.

To be honest, you do not need the larger rotors on the second gen, a good set up is more than sufficient if you know how to use your gears etc I have proven that time and time again in the spurs lol (with an auto!)

Mrmacomouto
01-08-2008, 08:14 PM
So what size is the second gen ABS rotor and what size is the ralliart rotor? And what else is different, pads?

I have to replace what I have at the moment anyway, may as well go as best I can.

[TUFFTR]
01-08-2008, 08:19 PM
So what size is the second gen ABS rotor and what size is the ralliart rotor? And what else is different, pads?

I have to replace what I have at the moment anyway, may as well go as best I can.
276mm vs 294 mm

lol "mayaswell go as best as you can" Isn't easy, and as Mal said (he confirmed) They wont fit. Was worth a try anyway

BiG 4 CyL
03-08-2008, 08:58 PM
will the KS twin pot lines bolt straight onto the existing magna lines? or do i have to get ABS to make me some? just wanna double check before i go and spend more unneccessary $$
cheers

Madmagna
04-08-2008, 05:08 PM
FFS why do people not read the damn sticky thread about this!!!!!

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49712

The brake lines will not fit. the end that goes into the caliper is different.

You will need to get a new line made up with the same end as the ABS one for the caliper and the Non ABS end for the end that goes at the strut end.

BiG 4 CyL
04-08-2008, 08:13 PM
FFS why do people not read the damn sticky thread about this!!!!!

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49712

The brake lines will not fit. the end that goes into the caliper is different.

You will need to get a new line made up with the same end as the ABS one for the caliper and the Non ABS end for the end that goes at the strut end.

only reason i ask is coz ive heard that others have done it. i read the sticky mulitple times but then heard of others using KS lines... so i asked :doubt:

Madmagna
04-08-2008, 08:25 PM
I have heard the same and seen one. It was scary, the top line was done up that tight to prevent leakage it was not in any way safe.

Have also modified the bottom line on a lathe on my first one, was my car, to give the taper needed, was easier in the end just to chage the line :)

BiG 4 CyL
05-08-2008, 04:58 PM
I have heard the same and seen one. It was scary, the top line was done up that tight to prevent leakage it was not in any way safe.

Have also modified the bottom line on a lathe on my first one, was my car, to give the taper needed, was easier in the end just to chage the line :)

thanks mate, as i said, would rather ask before finding out the hard way.

ill be hitting up ABS in the near future and doing the brake upgrade soon :D :cool:

hopefully my wallet isnt epically empty haha