Im looking at buying the HIDs light kits to make these lights better has anyone done this to the parrabolic headlamps?

Read through this (http://ozvr4.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2455&highlight=HID) thread carefully.
I believe you can read it even if you're not a member of OzVR4.
There's also a link to a documentary on HID lighting i've posted up in that thread.

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As you can see, the HID does 'seem' to give off more light, but it is scattered everywhere, you can see the sign at the top slightly better and of course the cutoff line toward the right side has been totally overcome by the HID, right where oncoming vehicles are coming.

It looks as if the HID is brighter, but if you look at it closely the HID has inconsistencies in the main beam, you have strong and light parts throughout which is easily noticeable when driving. Comparing different parts of the image you can see the Standard Light has a much clearer view on everything (look at the all the shrubs, the corner kurb towards the left etc). The Standard light has a much cleaner and more even dispersion of light, further reinforcing what Trev stated early that the beam isn't focused correctly (more dangerous). I could also say the standard lights give a wider vision too.

To be honest this is the first time Ive driven at night with the standard lights (one of the first things I did after passing inspection was to put on the HID Kit) and at first you don't get that initial 'pow' from the HID's making you think that the path in front of you is lit up more. When actually driving the road is much more cleanly and evenly lit, and to be honest the HID kit didn't really make anything on the road more obvious/easier.

Actually, then only thing that the HID's make more obvious is other drivers ... as they are flashing you.

After this, I wouldn't think I'd go back to aftermarket HIDs

** The images are straight from the camera - not affected in any way, unfortunately I didn't put it in Manual mode hence the different colour dash lights, but the beam colour is very similar to original.

** The HID Kit had 10'000K globes.


Ok i was thinking only 6000k lights for the parra's as they have the metal scatter protector inside the light housing and would deflect the beam the same as the normal globes but not 100% sure. I think i should have ago and buy sum to see what i come up with but i wanted to see if anyone else has done it. I know sum1 did with a projecter from a BMW or Audi but cant remember who?????

Anyone else shed sum lightlol on this subject

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57256

http://web.archive.org/web/200703130...ad.php?t=23184

Now i have read and i'll stay with my stock head lamps

Thanks tim for that:D

Ok i was thinking only 6000k lights for the parra's as they have the metal scatter protector inside the light housing and would deflect the beam the same as the normal globes but not 100% sure. I think i should have ago and buy sum to see what i come up with but i wanted to see if anyone else has done it. I know sum1 did with a projecter from a BMW or Audi but cant remember who?????

Anyone else shed sum lightlol on this subject[/LEFT]

That would be me with the Audi TT projectors, I also posted pictures of a 4300K H7 hid kit fitted in place of the standard H7 bulb in unmodified parabolics - beam pattern was the same as the H7 halogen (ie. bad) and the intensity was around the same (ie. bad).

It works, but its not really worth the effort - read the lighting FAQ for more - Parabolics are nice looking on the front of the car but as for their lighting performance, the executive headlamps blow them out of the water - foreground brightness is not the only measure of a headlamp's performance...

That kit shown above is typical of a kit fitted to a true complex corner reflector headlamp (our parabolics are not true CC's - not enough facets) - True CC's reflect hundreds of images of the filament to a precise angle, if the filament is the wrong size or shape or location, it looks like the above photos - a misplaced bulb (ie not sitting correctly in the holder) will also produce a similar beam pattern. Even off-brand bulbs with poor filament geometry will do this.

Read through this (http://ozvr4.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2455&highlight=HID) thread carefully.
I believe you can read it even if you're not a member of OzVR4.
There's also a link to a documentary on HID lighting i've posted up in that thread.

But Dimi dont you have them installed in your 2nd gen? How do you find them?

i have 6000K HID's in my parra's..

they are brilliant.. i honestly can't explain how much better driving at night is.. they do not throw light everywhere as you might think..

not nearly as bad as you see some of the older honda civics that just seem to luminate the surrounding streets with thier ambient light..

What brand did you use matty?

i have 6000K HID's in my parra's..

they are brilliant.. i honestly can't explain how much better driving at night is.. they do not throw light everywhere as you might think..

not nearly as bad as you see some of the older honda civics that just seem to luminate the surrounding streets with thier ambient light..

I am with matty as well, I have a kit on my ralliart and it appears the beam pattern is not scattered. I have even asked a few motorist (from a carpark approaching towards me) and asked if the light was bliding them and all of them says no (8 out of 8 seven) and never had flashed too.

So I guess its all good for me.

well then these are back on the card then woo:D

i'm looking at possibly importing some from the us. slimline ballast with lifetime warranty and any choice of globe type/colour. may organise a group buy if there is interest

But Dimi dont you have them installed in your 2nd gen? How do you find them?
Yeah i used to have them in my old car but even with the lights udjusted to project low, they were way too bright and caused a lot of glare. Just ask any of the guys (including gorgath) how bright they were when we used to go on the mountain runs in summer.

It's really up to you, but HID's are only meant for projector lenses.

I'm keeping the headlights in the magna and legnum to normal. No fancy looking HID's for now.
Just upgraded the bulbs to Narva 50 Plus (50% extra vision). They don't look very "flash" - they just look stock. But i'm happy with them and so are other motorists.

Here's my post from the same thread on OzVR-4



Here's a visual comparison

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Yeah i used to have them in my old car but even with the lights udjusted to project low, they were way too bright and caused a lot of glare. Just ask any of the guys (including gorgath) how bright they were when we used to go on the mountain runs in summer.

It's really up to you, but HID's are only meant for projector lenses.

i saw ur hid's.

they sucked, to be honest.
way too dispersed, not much actual projection of light.

honestly i wouldn't bother mr OP. the ends dont justify the means (cost + effort)

i'm looking at possibly importing some from the us. slimline ballast with lifetime warranty and any choice of globe type/colour. may organise a group buy if there is interest


i would for sure

i saw ur hid's.

they sucked, to be honest.
Exactly. Everyone copped it hard when i was behind them.

HID's without projector headlights are useless.

Exactly. Everyone copped it hard when i was behind them.

HID's without projector headlights are useless.

Mmmmmmm I'm sure they did big boy ;) :bowrofl:

http://www.mitsubishiclubaustralia.com/forums/images/smiles/Doh.gifAh sh*t that did sound pretty sus

http://www.mitsubishiclubaustralia.com/forums/images/smiles/Doh.gifAh sh*t that did sound pretty sus
:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:
AWESOME LOL

good call tuffy :)

may be interested in the group buy pending compatibility

What brand did you use matty?

i dunno what brand they are.. the kung pow cheap ones off flea bay.. $147 for H7 kit, and H3 kit delivered to my door.. i haven't put the fog light ones in yet..

i got the same ones that a few of my mates have used, they seem to be fine even after 18mts of use :)

below is a few pics :) installation takes about 10 mins.. and i used some spacers on the bulbs to make sure they clip in properly.. there just some nylon washers..

excuse the dusk pic off my phone whilst driving.. *looks side to side* .. just wanted to get an example of the light pattern :) hope that helps people in doubt..

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Bleagh :redface:

Generic chinese Hella Gen 3 copies, light output is just as to be expected, bright foreground, poor distance vision, no peripheral (LHS) illumination of the gutter/footpath so you cant see whats going to jump out in front of you (2 legs or 4).

Ie. Just like the standard parabolics. When I get 5 minutes I will post up the view of what a PROPER hid conversion looks like down the road.

All you are doing is making a bad pattern brighter - you reduce your distance vision by overpowering the foreground lighting (closes pupils) so you cannot see the reflection/light furthur away. Its a placebo effect, much the same as people who drive with both their fogs and headlights on because it looks brighter 10 feet in front of the vehicle. It ain't so....

i do beg to differ it does light up a a bit to the side of the car like gutters etc almost 90deg to the front of the car to a certain degree.. that was a dodgey picture at dusk.. i shall take a better picture at night.. giving you the right idea..

anything i mean anything with a reflector in it lights up like a star.. even if the light isn't actually pointing at them.. street signs and policy high vis vests stand out like anything..

i'm not saying they are a brilliant headlamp.. but i've seen worse.. much worse..

and yeh they have nothing on somthing like an Accord Euro with the proper gear for this type of bulb..


personally i hate when ppl put HID's in like a 92 honda civic.. and your driving down the rd with a purply blue haze luminating from the front of the car somewhere.. they are clearley not ment for anything but a halogen blub..

The ones Heath has made before use a bemmer projector and my god they are extremely awesome! near perfect light output, and the light projection is very good.

The ones Heath has made before use a bemmer projector and my god they are extremely awesome! near perfect light output, and the light projection is very good.
pics pics pics pics

I am still on the fence with this one, been thinking of doing it for a while. I have the 'Ice Blue' NAVRA H4 globes in my parras which look a little less yellow than the normal globes (got these for $40 from repco) and also have Xenon white LED refractor parkers which whiten up the headlights a bit also......

Still not convinced either way to go through with the conversion or not.

I shall sit on the fence for now

I am still on the fence with this one, been thinking of doing it for a while. I have the 'Ice Blue' NAVRA H4 globes in my parras which look a little less yellow than the normal globes (got these for $40 from repco) and also have Xenon white LED refractor parkers which whiten up the headlights a bit also......

Still not convinced either way to go through with the conversion or not.

I shall sit on the fence for now

The verdict i am reaching here is, If they are an Ebay kit, they will probably give out less light then standard bulbs.
When i get around to it, i think i'll just be putting in some 100w's in mine as it seems the ONLY HID Kits worth getting are ridiculously expensive, for essentially a whiter light

they don't give you less light.. i'm deadly serious.. it's been raining the last couple of night.. but once it stops i will take heaps of night shots for you all..

keep in mind the bulbs i'm using are 35w (as with most of the kits available)

you can get 55w kits.. they are just silly haha..

tell you what 'peter_pan' spend the $67 or what ever it was for a kit... take the 10 mins to install them.. and try them out.. every one is expressing thier opinion.. even people who don't have HID's.. make up yor own mind once you have put them in your application.. if you don't like them.. pull them out and sell them on Boost cruising or one of those crappy forums.. the kids will buy them from you no problem..

Yeah I'm pretty sure that's what I'm gunna do..... Want to get my tint done first though but I will get to the lights..... eventually...

55w's in Parras would be :shock: well they would just disperse everywhere i suppose!

You know honestly looking at all these photos, I can't see a single reason to justify the installation of headlights, Philips Crystal Vision bulbs give the exact same effect. I have been in a couple of cars with HID's and I honestly struggle to tell the difference.

Yeah pretty much. See below for the beam pattern, this was done with a 4300K 35W hid kit vs a vision plus H7 - intensity is roughly equivalent, as is the beam pattern. This was checked at the two hotspots with a handheld light meter, its pretty much lineball, 5-7% brighter for the HID kit. Eagle eyes will spot that the beam loses its intensity much sooner on the LHS, reducing sideways vision.

You definitly wont blind anyone, but the only benefits you will get are the colour (which stands out in traffic, not sure if this is a good thing) and the longevity of the bulbs (which is also debatable with chinese technology...).

As the OP stated, its your money :)

The bulbs also have a tendancy to slip as well, giving the resulting pattern - they need to be retained WELL in the holder or you will blind traffic.