View Full Version : TL/TW NZ CAI photos and feedback
SH00T
18-07-2008, 03:20 AM
A couple of fine lads round here suggested a NZ CAI for my TW and I wanted a couple of pics to see what it looked like, and some comments on how it felt after it was fitted.
I dont want to fit a custom unit, I just want the black plastic factory look, trying to keep the power up after a SVI LPG install.
Thanks in advance.
Boozer
18-07-2008, 10:13 AM
Here is a pic if an NZ spec TW Diamante
T_double_U
18-07-2008, 10:26 AM
I fitted one of these onto my TW and i wasn't impressed,the engine felt like it lost tourqe and was slow to rev so after a few day's i put the standard snorkel back on,type40 bought it off me so it might be worth sending him a pm to see what he thought.
hy_boi
18-07-2008, 10:33 AM
hmmm, its bigger..but yeah...Keen to know.
T_double_U
18-07-2008, 10:50 AM
it does look bigger but the inlet opening is only a bit bigger than a business card
doddski
18-07-2008, 03:39 PM
call me stupid - wait thats a joke :P
but do you think it would be somewhere within the relm of possibility, to use a NZ CAI in conjunction with our standard air intake - and JOIN them together to form a much larger air intake?
im keen on getting me a NZ CAI for my KL actually (but time and effort factor of phoning up after it are kinda... lacking right now)
what i mean it, still have our standard intake opening above the radiator, and have the pipe join onto the NZ Cai so youd have a much larger opening?
i know it would kinda loose some of its CAI as its back to drawing from the top of the radiator and the associated area heat too.
thoughts?
hy_boi
18-07-2008, 03:45 PM
Were the power outputs any different over there?
Type40
18-07-2008, 03:56 PM
Were the power outputs any different over there?
Yes. I have been told and shown graphs that are 9 kw (172) and 9 nm (326) higher than the Aus spec cars.
I have personally found that it works quite well, noticing more midrange punch and greater sting at the top end. Boozer has one fitted to his car as well but it seems not to have done as much to his as it did to mine so maybe it does vary from car to car. T_double_U mentioned that his didn't respond at all to it. So i suppose its buy one at your own peril! I will go out and take a few pics in a sec...
Doddski, I don't think there is a way that you could successfully mate the std intake and the NZ one. They both use the same hole. I'm sure if you started cutting into the NZ one you would destroy its effectiveness. It looks like it uses some sort of scavenging effect to increase air speed at the filter by having a much larger mid section than intake hole. Im am not an expert on how scavenging works but it does remind me of 2 stroke motorbike exhausts how they have a bellowed out section after the exhaust valve that increases air speed therefor the scavenging effect.
Yeah the NZ spec VRX had 170kw I think. Boozer reckons the CAI is the only difference on theirs compared to ours, I'm not convinced, I don't quite see how that would add ~7kw still.
Surprise surprise! Lugo posted when he is not quite sure of the facts... :roll:
Happy Type40? :doubt: :boohoo:
hy_boi
18-07-2008, 04:03 PM
Hmm mght be worth giving one a go with a K&N.
now to find one.
Type40
18-07-2008, 04:07 PM
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/davepax982/NZcai001.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/davepax982/NZcai002.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/davepax982/NZcai003.jpg
doddski
18-07-2008, 04:30 PM
this is a REALLY bad MS paint chop of what i ment by joining the two intakes together.
type40 - i used your NZ Cai pic and 'blended' it with the mega skills with a pic i had on my computer.
i think it could work personally - but would require a bit of work to cut up two perfectly good intakes and then plastic weld them back together again as one peice.
this would allow for more air to be sucked into the engine for sure
hope my skillz in ms paint help yaz understand what i ment :D
Ashneel
18-07-2008, 04:59 PM
just a question...how is that any better having that massive bend there? wouldnt you be better off and it will be cheaper to run a CAI pipe to the front of the car? or a pipe from the box straight to the front grill of a TL/W?
SH00T
18-07-2008, 06:08 PM
Gees, I just read Heaps of CAI threads again, and decided I'm still undecided.
And I dont want a performance mod.
But, if any mods get me better fuel ecomony at the expense of induction noise, I'm in.
alscall
18-07-2008, 07:08 PM
just a question...how is that any better having that massive bend there? wouldnt you be better off and it will be cheaper to run a CAI pipe to the front of the car? or a pipe from the box straight to the front grill of a TL/W?
Well, technically that's all it is doing. Sucking air from the front grill, as seen here. (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16688)
BTW:, I was sceptical when I installed this too, but I reckon it works. Tried it on my TJ but reckon it did nothing good at all...
Magtone
18-07-2008, 07:33 PM
I seriously dont believe an increase similar to that of a rear muffler change can be had just by that intake. I think as N.Z has different emmision standards they also will have different mapping in the ECU in addition to the intake.
Boozer
18-07-2008, 08:24 PM
Yes. I have been told and shown graphs that are 9 kw (172) and 9 nm (326) higher than the Aus spec cars.
I have personally found that it works quite well, noticing more midrange punch and greater sting at the top end. Boozer has one fitted to his car as well but it seems not to have done as much to his as it did to mine so maybe it does vary from car to car. T_double_U mentioned that his didn't respond at all to it. So i suppose its buy one at your own peril! I will go out and take a few pics in a sec...
Doddski, I don't think there is a way that you could successfully mate the std intake and the NZ one. They both use the same hole. I'm sure if you started cutting into the NZ one you would destroy its effectiveness. It looks like it uses some sort of scavenging effect to increase air speed at the filter by having a much larger mid section than intake hole. Im am not an expert on how scavenging works but it does remind me of 2 stroke motorbike exhausts how they have a bellowed out section after the exhaust valve that increases air speed therefor the scavenging effect.
Surprise surprise! Lugo posted when he is not quite sure of the facts... :roll:
:boohoo:
only difference between his intake and mine is that he is using a paper filter and i got a K&N... Type40's car is only 20000km more than mine and a year older, feels looser but goes harder... mine still feels tight but seems to go slower... well at least on the mph down the quarter... his is about 2mph faster... perhaps its the lighter VR compared to the VRX... will have to dyno our cars one day to confirm.
if anyone wants me to organise some NZ cai, i can do it for you guys, will have to speak to the admins about it though
Type40
18-07-2008, 08:28 PM
Type40 feels looser but goes harder...
We are meant to be talking about cars Boozer... Dont give away too much! lol
Boozer
18-07-2008, 08:59 PM
We are meant to be talking about cars Boozer... Dont give away too much! lol
ooops :silenced:
Screamin TE
19-07-2008, 06:14 AM
i have seen a tl awd with the standard intake, which had a hole cut in the bottom of it and a 2 inch pipe fed into that hole and down to the front bumper. Dont know if it made a difference, but looked a damn sight neater than the NZ intake.
Mohit
19-07-2008, 08:49 AM
i have seen a tl awd with the standard intake, which had a hole cut in the bottom of it and a 2 inch pipe fed into that hole and down to the front bumper. Dont know if it made a difference, but looked a damn sight neater than the NZ intake.
Have that in my KJ. It's part of the Sprintex supercharger kit. I've also removed the under bonnet rubber seals and the plastic trim panel on top of the grille to let more air into the intake snorkel and the engine bay.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v124/mohit/Verada/russellperformance04.jpg
Boozer
19-07-2008, 09:06 AM
sent my supplier an email regarding a Group Buy/Bulk Buy of the NZ CAI, waiting for reply.
sent Tim a pm regarding the sale and sponsorship on AMC, should go through pending final price of item.
Keep you guys posted.
hy_boi
19-07-2008, 09:20 AM
excellent, I'm keen..
FamilyWagon
19-07-2008, 12:36 PM
Just a quick question.
Why would you want to draw hot air in from the engine bay with the NZ system?
Everyone else seems to want to go cold air from the front like the magna's have.
Mates in the commodore club pay big money to have systems like the aus magna's have rather than the system that draws from the engine bay.
SH00T
19-07-2008, 01:20 PM
I like the idea of removing that top piece of plastic though it might be at the expense of cooling, as it work as a shroud for the front of the radiator. Perhaps a couple of large holes will suffice.
Ashneel
19-07-2008, 01:23 PM
Well, technically that's all it is doing. Sucking air from the front grill, as seen here. (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16688)
BTW:, I was sceptical when I installed this too, but I reckon it works. Tried it on my TJ but reckon it did nothing good at all...
but the pic of the ones posted here has the intake sitting behind the headlight. the link that you posted that member has a flex pipe running front the box sitting directly behind the grill with no major bends unlike the NZ intake. im just curious cause ye thats a massive bend so not sure how that will give better flow.
alscall
19-07-2008, 01:32 PM
The one in the picture, (greenmats), may give better flow than the NZ one, true.
But compared to the stock snorkel, the NZ one gives better flow, plus it looks stock, which I think is what some people, including myself are after.
I like the idea of removing that top piece of plastic though it might be at the expense of cooling, as it work as a shroud for the front of the radiator. Perhaps a couple of large holes will suffice.
That is why I drilled a series of 10mm holes in that plastic near the opening to the intake.
SH00T
19-07-2008, 03:57 PM
That is why I drilled a series of 10mm holes in that plastic near the opening to the intake.
Did you feel any difference, or effect your economy?
Did you feel any difference, or effect your economy?
Not that I noticed. I did it at the begining of Winter. Will see how it fairs over summer.
Boozer
21-07-2008, 04:57 PM
ok guys, the NZ CAI will be about AUD$150 including postaged from me to your address.
or orders of 10, price will be about $140 +/-
orders of 20 price will be about $130 +/-
Screamin TE
21-07-2008, 05:19 PM
ok guys, the NZ CAI will be about AUD$150 including postaged from me to your address.
or orders of 10, price will be about $140 +/-
orders of 20 price will be about $130 +/-
not worth it i reckon. Not without proven before/after dyno runs on the same car on the same day with the same conditions.
As has been said, the NZ's have different maps and emission laws.
Boozer
21-07-2008, 05:25 PM
As has been said, the NZ's have different maps and emission laws.
theres no evidence of that, just speculations. but there is for a fact, this is an original mitsu part, not aftermaker, it comes through a Mitsu Dealer in NZ with a Mitsu part number.
doddski
21-07-2008, 06:22 PM
ok guys, the NZ CAI will be about AUD$150 including postaged from me to your address.
or orders of 10, price will be about $140 +/-
orders of 20 price will be about $130 +/-
put me down for one of these, for definate - im too slack to organise it for myself.
keep us(me) posted on it.
perry
22-07-2008, 06:38 AM
will this have the same effect on a TJ
Boozer
22-07-2008, 03:10 PM
will this have the same effect on a TJ
I am not in the position to make recommendations as to what sort of effect you will get, I am only the person that brings them in on behalf of the buyer as this things are very hard to obtain in Australia. I'm yet to find time to have my car dyno'd
perry
23-07-2008, 06:26 AM
I am not in the position to make recommendations as to what sort of effect you will get, I am only the person that brings them in on behalf of the buyer as this things are very hard to obtain in Australia. I'm yet to find time to have my car dyno'd
ok no worries, if anyone has one on an ealier model magna let me know how they go
Jasons VRX
23-07-2008, 06:28 PM
ok no worries, if anyone has one on an ealier model magna let me know how they go
Yeah ive got one on my TH, had it on there for a few years. Couldnt really say much about any power increase as i did other mods at the same time BUT as a guide at the 2006 AMC dyno day my magna made 137Kw@wheels with a old clunker TJ1 engine with the only mods being pacemaker headers, 2 1/2" exhaust, K&N panel filter and NZ air inlet.
Oh and emtech automotive here in adelaide sell the NZ air intakes for around about $130 (that was there price last year anyway)
SH00T
03-08-2008, 07:28 AM
I'm gonna go for one of these, but other changes to help it.
The plan.
Remove plastic along side radiator.
Fit tubing from open front space to direct fresh air to intake area near battery box.
Fit NZ CAI.
It should then get colder air and help cool battery as a plus.
SH00T
03-09-2008, 05:09 AM
I have organized one and its here, will fit it on saturday, so if anyone wants in on the pre-fit drive, install and test drive, just let me know.....
s311_bvm
19-10-2008, 04:25 PM
Hello, Can someone please post the Mitsubishi part number for this TL/TW NZ CAI.
Boozer
19-10-2008, 04:30 PM
Hello, Can someone please post the Mitsubishi part number for this TL/TW NZ CAI.
Description: Intake Trunk Diamante (NZ CAI)
Part No.: JCMF445703
only available in NZ, you will need to get it sent to Australia
or you can find it in the parts list thread.
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=867016&postcount=64
hope your next question isn't where and who will supply it to me...
hy_boi
19-10-2008, 04:42 PM
I think they are worth it, mine sure feels like its got some up top pull, low down is about the same,
Type40
19-10-2008, 04:48 PM
Where can i get one of these and who can supply me one?
Boozer
19-10-2008, 06:08 PM
Where can i get one of these and who can supply me one?
shut up dave.... you got one under your bonnet already...unless one of your locals got up to their usuals and pinched it :P
xboxie
24-11-2011, 06:29 AM
Here is a pic if an NZ spec TW Diamante
I know this might be OOOLD but were can i get one :)
SH00T
24-11-2011, 07:00 AM
I imported mine thru a mits dealer in NZ. I got the contact of forum member, but I think he left has now.
You could try ringing a places in nz.
robssei is in nz I think?
7HVEN
26-11-2011, 06:29 PM
Looking online through cars for sale in NZ, it seems that most have the standard over the radiator snorkel - even the 2003 TJ Ralliart model with its enhanced 180kw.
Is the 2004 AWD model sold in Australia as I see this photo of one selling in NZ that has the NZ CAI that this chain is about?
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/522/2004awdcai.jpg/
380Mitsu
26-11-2011, 07:40 PM
Looking online through cars for sale in NZ, it seems that most have the standard over the radiator snorkel - even the 2003 TJ Ralliart model with its enhanced 180kw.
Is the 2004 AWD model sold in Australia as I see this photo of one selling in NZ that has the NZ CAI that this chain is about?
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/522/2004awdcai.jpg/
Yes, the later model TL/Ws sold in NZ had the different intake snorkel fitted. None of the Aussie equivalents came fitted with them.
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