Hey guys

I've currently got unknown JVC front splits and unknown Alpine rears, running off of an Alpine CDE-9872E head unit
I've stumbled across what seems to be a good deal on dual type S 12" subs in a box, and a kenwick amp 2nd hand together for 350ono and so looking into getting this, but seeing as I know nothing about car audio thought id ask advice

I'm not sure on a model number for the amp as the guy isnt at home for a few days, and I cant read it on the pics.

Below are photos of it if anybody knows their stuff well enough (yes I know the amp is filthy, but he guarantee's it works fine and I will be checking it before making the final deal, should just be dust which will easily clean off)

Will this be a decent setup and for the price I'll be paying?

I mainly listen to hip hop/r&b scratch mixes in the car, but sometimes listen to dance/house and sometimes hardcore/metal/mathcore etc.

Any help would be appreciated

Cheers guys
-Blaine


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The two Type S's will go alright. For the price it's not a bad deal dependant on amp
I'd probably offer him $300 first and see if he takes that...


Also another thing to consider.
With this in the car you could *possibly* have 10 times the power output going to your subs over your speakers, with this in there you will probably not even hear your speakers.
Make sure amping the speakers is on your list!

And if it is, when you do wiring like this, run ALL the wiring for 2 amps to be ready! nothing worse then having to do the same system 2wice!

But yeah I mean there is an amp a box and 2 decent subs, $350 isnt a bad price..

Cheers man
I can get the subs alone for $200
And yeah i'll offer him 300, should take it considering hes had them up for sale for 2 months

I'll definately amp it all up, and will have to put in the research and learn to do it first, or get somebody else to set it up for me

Just depends if anyone knows that sub and if its worth it or to just grab something else

Hey man.
I tossed up between the 2 alpine type S or just a single type R.
I ended up getting the R. But i'm sure You'll be very happy with the duel S' if you decide to get them.

I recommend that you try the install yourself, i did my first one a few weeks ago, and everything worked out perfect.
Set aside a whole day for it though, it's very time consuming.
But it is well worth the effort, you'll learn a lot.

i duno about that amp...looks like its seen better days.
maybe a better idea just to buy a new one.
seeing as your going to need 2 amps anyways (one for subs and one for speakers), you may get a good deal if you buy 2 new ones from the same place.
then you'll have a warranty and piece of mind..

Cheers for the help guys
yeah thinking about screwing that amp
and just getting the dual type s

does anyone have reasonably cheap amp recomendations?

the sound that you get from the subs will only be as good as the amp you hook them too. to run dual 12s you will need a fair hit of power, and the down side to that is the more power you need the more expensive it will be. my asvice would be to head to a local shop that stocks Alpine gear and get the amp that is designed to run those subs. cos i know there is one. that way the subs and ampo will be matched perfectly and you will get the most out of your system. thats what i did. chose the speakers and sub that i wanted and then got the amps to match, not over powered, not under powered, just right :)

the sound that you get from the subs will only be as good as the amp you hook them too. to run dual 12s you will need a fair hit of power, and the down side to that is the more power you need the more expensive it will be. my asvice would be to head to a local shop that stocks Alpine gear and get the amp that is designed to run those subs. cos i know there is one. that way the subs and ampo will be matched perfectly and you will get the most out of your system. thats what i did. chose the speakers and sub that i wanted and then got the amps to match, not over powered, not under powered, just right :)
yeah you're right
I'm considering just doing this, considering the state the amp looks in
plus tbh id rather stick with the alpine range instead of having bits and pieces of different brands (excluding my JVC fronts which were already there)

i have all alpine ive got the same duel type s subs with alpine amps
i just find mixing does not work so well
the typ s subs will give u alot of bass
my whole car rattles just get a 1000watt digital alpine amp and u will be fine

i have all alpine ive got the same duel type s subs with alpine amps
i just find mixing does not work so well
the typ s subs will give u alot of bass
my whole car rattles just get a 1000watt digital alpine amp and u will be fine

if its a MRD 1005 or a PDX 1.1000 its a bit overkill for twin type s, should look at the MRD 605 (if they still make them awesome amp) or a jaycar 2 channel one (cant remember part no) i have a single type R atm with the alpine made box and it hammers!

if its a MRD 1005 or a PDX 1.1000 its a bit overkill for twin type s, should look at the MRD 605 (if they still make them awesome amp) or a jaycar 2 channel one (cant remember part no) i have a single type R atm with the alpine made box and it hammers!

no, alpine have now stopped making the V12 amps (MRD 605, MRD 1005 and the 2 other 4 channel amps),
i was shocked when i heard this as they were very good amps
might be lucky to get one off ebay

if its a MRD 1005 or a PDX 1.1000 its a bit overkill for twin type s, should look at the MRD 605 (if they still make them awesome amp) or a jaycar 2 channel one (cant remember part no) i have a single type R atm with the alpine made box and it hammers!
So just any of these models to power the subs alone?
And should I get another one the same to power my speakers?

How much am I looking at for any of these amps aprox?

the pdx 1.100 would be a bit much in my opinion...kind of wasted
alpine have 2 monos that will do the job nicely for those 2 subs... mrp-m500 (500rms at 2ohm) and the pdx1.600 (600rms at 2 or 4 ohm)
the v-power is the cheaped of the 2 (around 400 if i remember right)but the pdx is a much smaller and effecient amp with better quality power ( but about 700ish)
thats my 2 cents

i happen to have an Alpine amp that would run those subs tits sitting in my closet. MRP-M650. basically as close to 'designed for those subs' as you will get.

As for all this crap about not mixing brands because it doesnt work as well.. ignore that. the best combinations of sub/amp/speakers you will find always consist of different brands.

if your keen on the amp ill let it go to an AMC member for $250.. it doesnt have the little end caps that hide the cables and a little bit of general wear and tear, but it still works like the day it was built.. and certainly looks better than that kenwood :)

let me know if your keen.

http://www.easy-caraudio.co.uk/images/product/main/1alpimrpm650.jpg

tis that.. without the end bits

I just bought a Jaycar AA-0424 (current model) with remote gain control for $150 posted, with some 8 gauge speaker lead thrown in. 500wRMS @ 4ohm, 14.4V should be plenty for my 4ohm (2+2 in series) Alpine SWR-1221D.

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=AA0424&CATID=&keywords=aa-0424&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=

hey woob, keen on that amp then for sure, just gotta save back up now but definately interested

as for the jaycar one, so that'd be something to look at getting to run the speakers?
where'd you get it for 150?

600 if i manage to go with woobs, one of those, and the dual subs,isnt bad for what im willing to spend
and should leave it pretty good im guessing :)

jaycar are clearing out all their old stock and cheap cheap prices, you will only get it if they have stock. Mind you i thought it was cheaper, and newer gear than that..

as for saving for my amp.. i wouldnt be too worried about it going, im not bothering advertising it, just kinda keeping it around for when someone in one of my car clubs needs something of the likes :)

jaycar are clearing out all their old stock and cheap cheap prices, you will only get it if they have stock. Mind you i thought it was cheaper, and newer gear than that..

as for saving for my amp.. i wouldnt be too worried about it going, im not bothering advertising it, just kinda keeping it around for when someone in one of my car clubs needs something of the likes :)
sweet man cheers

i'll make a trip to my local jaycar too for an amp for my speakers, iv only been in once, and couldnt find much audio orientated really, pretty tiny shop, but i'll go ask

just realised you're in perth too, which one do you go to?
i've only been into midland (its the only one i know about)

would this amp be suitable to run my splits and rears alongside the v-power one running my dual type s subs?
if so i'll grab this one
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=913694&postcount=1

fer0x,

Quick question - what speakers do you intend on running? or are you running?

The JVC amp is not bad at all - however, at 50wrms per channel, its rather limited in what it can power. It will power entry level stuff fine, as they usually top out at 50wrms. However if you purchase a set of speakers that are mid range, they can chew up to 200wrms (like my Tarantula's) 50wrms will move them, but, the low end will suffer.

Just have a good think about what you want and can afford out of the system before buying things.....its better to think twice, than to buy twice......i've learnt that the expensive way :redface:

yeah mate, for the price he's asking its a bargain too, jvc amps are pretty stable, and it has plenty enough power for your front speakers. i say go for it!

i go to jaycar in perth, havent been to any others (im from mandurah so i dont really go there too often anyway)

ah k cool cool, i'll take a look ;)

to be honest i dont know any model info about my speakers because they came installed when i got the car
the fronts are JVC and the rears are Alpine, thats all i know though
i think the alpine rears are type S, but couldnt be sure because i havent had a proper look
im not really looking to upgrade these, once i get them amped, some subs and an amp on that, my sound system will be as good as it'll get in this car

for 50+25 postage, cant go wrong for an amp that'll cost me $75, as long as it does its job, i'll be happy

mm, the alpines alone say they have peak power of 120 - does this mean that amp will be insufficient for even those?

mm, the alpines alone say they have peak power of 120 - does this mean that amp will be insufficient for even those?
That's a peak figure... Look for a RMS wattage rating. (50WRMS or something to that degree)

mm, the alpines alone say they have peak power of 120 - does this mean that amp will be insufficient for even those?

Disregard 'peak power' on amps and on speakers. Its rather worthless.

Only go off 'RMS".

120w peak will be somewhere around 50-60wrms, so the amps fine.

who cares what the rating of the speakers are, 50W RMS per channel at anything over about 78dB sensitivity is plenty for a daily driver.

one of my cars runs 105dB sensitive drivers off 35W.. that just gets painful to listen to lol

sweet, yeah it was 50 then
awesome

who cares what the rating of the speakers are, 50W RMS per channel at anything over about 78dB sensitivity is plenty for a daily driver.

one of my cars runs 105dB sensitive drivers off 35W.. that just gets painful to listen to lol

Thats not a real shock though is it Woob? Im sure you of all people know that every dB in sensitivity is worth a lot more in volume than adding extra power.....

not a shock at all, i was just using it for the backup that watts dont mean everything really, little watts can go a long way when used correctly, and 50W is a crap load for any normal 6" speaker

Ha I would never buy a speaker due to its sensitivity or RMS power output.

Take a look at the magnet, spider, surround and you will get an idea of what you should give your system. 50W is enough for most normal applications and usually cheaper components will sound quiet good off that kind of moderate power. Considering the voltage of your car, draw of other components on your charging system ( lights, a/c etc ) plus the power you lose via the crossovers, you would be surprised how loud that potential 50W can make a speaker, even if some of that is being wasted.

Ers you must be careful there as you willl notice most of the loudest woofers in the world are well under 90db when their are quite a few over 100db ( due to their large voice coils being so long ). You must also be careful of how they measure it. You will find a larger gain from correct mounting or increased efficiency - ie ported box over sealed. :)

i don't know all that much about audio, compared to most people on this forum but if you're running 2 amps won't you need a capacitor as well?

capacitor bad kay.

Ers you must be careful there as you willl notice most of the loudest woofers in the world are well under 90db when their are quite a few over 100db ( due to their large voice coils being so long ). You must also be careful of how they measure it. You will find a larger gain from correct mounting or increased efficiency - ie ported box over sealed. :)

I'de never pick a speaker by any of those either, there's a lot of people who do, or think it means everything.

My Sub has a sensitivity of 85dB, but its going to get the power it needs, and a custom box - so im not fussed by numbers anymore, aslong as it sounds right.

okay, amp was stolen through PM after id said id take it, so looks like i'll be heading to jaycar to take a look
just get a 4ch that puts out 50 per chan?

Ok, I'll bite....why?

I dont want 'opinions' I want an answer backed up with facts (like maths) :P

Read this dude:
http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showthread.php?t=8699