Hey guys ive got about $4000 to spend was thinking of keeping my car N/A my plan was to get some RPW stage 2 cams cam gears valve springs and a piggyback with a tune will this fit into my budget?? and waht else do i need to know? eg does any head work need to be done or are these mods basicly just bolt ons? any advice would be really awsome thanks guys oh and if its any help already got zorst, xtractors and a k&n filter.
cheers guys
mont :cool:

you could just bolt it in, but you would get better results with some headwork, and you will also need to tune it also, im not sure on final costs, but you could do that with the 4000

Your profile says you have an auto.... I thought RPW only recommended the stage 1 cams for autos?

manual conversion and EZ Boy's inlet manifold, cams, and tune FTW

Your profile says you have an auto.... I thought RPW only recommended the stage 1 cams for autos?
Lenda has done it but am unsure if he is happy or not.

best to pm Lenda. he has just done this. the heads have to be removed for valve springs to be fitted and should be ported then, so a little more involved labour wise than say stage one cams which dont need valve springs or heads removed. make sure you get an ezboy plenum

Hey guys ive got about $4000 to spend was thinking of keeping my car N/A my plan was to get some RPW stage 2 cams cam gears valve springs and a piggyback with a tune will this fit into my budget?? and waht else do i need to know? eg does any head work need to be done or are these mods basicly just bolt ons? any advice would be really awsome thanks guys oh and if its any help already got zorst, xtractors and a k&n filter.
cheers guys
mont :cool:

Yeah 4k should get you those mods easily enough, but for autos stage 1's look more the go, ive driven BEJ1OS's car he has stage 1's with the EZ manifold and even though its a 3l it pulls hard and has a beautiful lumpy idle, i think a stage 2 might be a bit too big for around town dailys as its a fair bit larger then the stage 1's.

look at the mods i got in my profile and they go very well together! ask anyone that has been in my car drives very smoothly although idle is a bit rough, so what its like a V8. awsome fun to drive and sounds awsome. just make sure you have a good tuner.

mike

thanks guys was thinking of an ez boy manifold later on down the track. head work???? wat kind of stuff we talking about?? expensive???? is it very nessesary?? or can this be done later on?? as valve springs have to replaced i guess it makes sense to do "head work" while the heads are off. my mechanic was talking about doing something with the "lifters" altough to tell the truth it all went over my head. :confused: something about making "collapsable lifters" i think he said as he has done this to many evo's.

also if i get my mechanic to fit the cams gears and valve springs will the car still be drivable?
i live in bathurst and was thinking if the car is drivable ill take it up to SAS in syd to get a piggy back and tune done. the only reason for this is my mechanic really looks after me in regards to labour costs. :cool:

also if i get my mechanic to fit the cams gears and valve springs will the car still be drivable?
i live in bathurst and was thinking if the car is drivable ill take it up to SAS in syd to get a piggy back and tune done. the only reason for this is my mechanic really looks after me in regards to labour costs. :cool:


The only problem i think you will have is that cam gears have to be dialed in so your mechanic might not be able to do this without a dyno.

and i have never heard of anyone doing/having done "collapsable lifters" B4 on a magna

what are lifters and what role do they play???? sorry me so stupid.:nuts:

The only problem i think you will have is that cam gears have to be dialed in so your mechanic might not be able to do this without a dyno.




Can this be confirmed??????

Can this be confirmed??????

They do but i don't think it'd be a problem given they generally have a variance of +-6deg (12deg overall) so it's not a case of valves striking pistons in the case of low duration camshafts.
So as long as your mechanic can dial in camshafts then you'll be right to leave the gears to be adjusted when it's tuned. This would probably be happening at the same place anyway.

Otherwise just leave them in the 0deg position anyway

thanks guys was thinking of an ez boy manifold later on down the track. head work???? wat kind of stuff we talking about?? expensive???? is it very nessesary?? or can this be done later on?? as valve springs have to replaced i guess it makes sense to do "head work" while the heads are off. my mechanic was talking about doing something with the "lifters" altough to tell the truth it all went over my head. :confused: something about making "collapsable lifters" i think he said as he has done this to many evo's.

also if i get my mechanic to fit the cams gears and valve springs will the car still be drivable?
i live in bathurst and was thinking if the car is drivable ill take it up to SAS in syd to get a piggy back and tune done. the only reason for this is my mechanic really looks after me in regards to labour costs. :cool:
I'm in the middle of doing all this at the moment. The most cost effective solution for head work is to go out and buy yourself some brand new Ralliart heads at less than 150 a piece. These should then form the basis for knife edging and shaving (valve deshrouding is already done on the Ralliart heads, so the purchase price of the heads covers what it would cost for deshrouding and then some).

Leave the standard valve gear in place - you are on an expensive hiding to no-where by replacing it. But do get heavier valve springs if you go Stage 2 cams. But before all of this, get the EZBoy manifold first. There is precious little point in messing with heads and cams unless you have got basic flow right first.

And yes, your car will be driveable with fitting cams, heads and gears. But you will not get all the benefits of that work until you add a piggy back ECU and tune it. Bear in mind that fitting and tuning the piggy back will cost. Fitting and tuning my Haltech was $850, and that's a pretty normal cost. Good luck with it.

Good choice in SAS. They did the Chiptorque XEDE in my car which I found was pretty much the best unit and bang for my buck around. Looking at around 1600-1800 for that drive away

Good choice in SAS. They did the Chiptorque XEDE in my car which I found was pretty much the best unit and bang for my buck around. Looking at around 1600-1800 for that drive away



yeah i have heard good things about them they quoted me $1600 for the piggy back installed and tuned a few weeks back.

just shopping around for prices atm, are RPW the only ones who do valve springs and cam gears????

I'm in the middle of doing all this at the moment. The most cost effective solution for head work is to go out and buy yourself some brand new Ralliart heads at less than 150 a piece. These should then form the basis for knife edging and shaving (valve deshrouding is already done on the Ralliart heads, so the purchase price of the heads covers what it would cost for deshrouding and then some).


where can i get some of these heads????

where can i get some of these heads????
Rock up to your Mits dealer with a Ralliart VIN and 3 days later you will have pair of heads.

Re valve springs for Stage 2 cam - dunno what else is out there but there has to be something.

Re adjustable cam gears - I asked the same question a few weeks ago and one the AMCers put me onto Fidanza gears. Get em from Rocket Industries here (I checked out buying direct of Fidanza in the US, and it's actually cheaper at the mo to get em through Rocket). Half the price of the RPW and very sexy to look at.

Rock up to your Mits dealer with a Ralliart VIN and 3 days later you will have pair of heads.

Re valve springs for Stage 2 cam - dunno what else is out there but there has to be something.

Re adjustable cam gears - I asked the same question a few weeks ago and one the AMCers put me onto Fidanza gears. Get em from Rocket Industries here (I checked out buying direct of Fidanza in the US, and it's actually cheaper at the mo to get em through Rocket). Half the price of the RPW and very sexy to look at.

I just need clear timing covers...but indeed....cam gears look wicked!

Rock up to your Mits dealer with a Ralliart VIN and 3 days later you will have pair of heads.

hmmm and there lies the problem i dont own a ralliart:cry:
just checked out rocket industries website are the cam gears that i need the 3000gt ones or am i totally blind???

6MMTJ2R422T046090,borrowed from a ralliart on carsales.com

dude did not think of that so you saying i can just rock up wit any ralliart VIN and they wont check to see if i really do own it?

If you want your heads flowed, valves ported etc, Just Heads in Mt Druitt were really good for me. That said if you are just buying heads you will need all the internals the suit to do a straight swap over

Last i checked, there were only 9 pairs of the ralliart heads.

dude did not think of that so you saying i can just rock up wit any ralliart VIN and they wont check to see if i really do own it?
Correct.

And the cam gears from a 3000GT won't fit. Rockect don't carry stock of the 6G72/74 gears - you have to special order. Talk to Jason there - he did my order. I have the part number at work. If you wanna PM me I will get that to you Monday.

That said if you are just buying heads you will need all the internals the suit to do a straight swap over

what stuff we talking about???? sorry im not very mechanically minded:nuts:

was just on the rpw website looking at the valve springs and it says "Requires fitment of 0.080" shim kit to set correct tensions.." what exactly does this mean as i cannot find this shim kit on the website :confused:

Re adjustable cam gears - I asked the same question a few weeks ago and one the AMCers put me onto Fidanza gears. Get em from Rocket Industries here (I checked out buying direct of Fidanza in the US, and it's actually cheaper at the mo to get em through Rocket). Half the price of the RPW and very sexy to look at.

I rang up rocket industries and talked to some guy who did not seem interested in helping me at all said that no one he knows of does these for the 6g74 engine and even claimed he was looking through his fidanza booklet. do these have to be custom made???? :confused:

I rang up rocket industries and talked to some guy who did not seem interested in helping me at all said that no one he knows of does these for the 6g74 engine and even claimed he was looking through his fidanza booklet. do these have to be custom made???? :confused:


The part number for 6G74 SOHC cam gears in blue colour is FI961639, other colours are available and they are all made to order in the USA.
In fidanzas catalogue they are listed for use in the diamante/eclipse, they dont list them specifically for the "magna" (as we all know that the diamante is the magna/verada in the usa)

I bought mine direct from Fidanza in the USA, as A) Rocket Industries were expensive and B) they couldnt give definate delivery times other than roughly 3-4weeks.

thanks mate :cool: ill ring them later on did not think to mention diamante to them.
kinda excited now ive got the ball rolling after talking to lenda ive got stage 2 cams and valve springs on order. need to get in touch with ezboy bout the street fighter manifold. cause im on a strict budget for this project ill think ill have to leave head work for another day :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

The part number for 6G74 SOHC cam gears in blue colour is FI961639, other colours are available and they are all made to order in the USA.
In fidanzas catalogue they are listed for use in the diamante/eclipse, they dont list them specifically for the "magna" (as we all know that the diamante is the magna/verada in the usa)

I bought mine direct from Fidanza in the USA, as A) Rocket Industries were expensive and B) they couldnt give definate delivery times other than roughly 3-4weeks.

See that's weird, Jase. Cos when I emailed Fidanza they came back with a price that - with exchange rates and postage - was gunna put a pair of gears (@$166.97USD each) above $400 landed. Compared to $115 AUD each (and yes, I kept the quote to make sure) through Rocket plus freight. Hmmmm

thanks mate :cool: ill ring them later on did not think to mention diamante to them.
kinda excited now ive got the ball rolling after talking to lenda ive got stage 2 cams and valve springs on order. need to get in touch with ezboy bout the street fighter manifold. cause im on a strict budget for this project ill think ill have to leave head work for another day :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

If you are restricted on budget, i would leave the plenum for later, as it does not involve taking your car off the road again for a few days to get the heads done. manifold fits in under an hour(plus tune), where as doing heads is days. Get them done while they are off. I would really think you would be robbing yourself of gains not to mention wasted dollars doing it mainly due to labour time taking the heads on/ off twice.

makes sense wat kind of head work we talking about??? or if i get the rallairt heads as mentioned earlier what else will i need??

If you are restricted on budget, i would leave the plenum for later, as it does not involve taking your car off the road again for a few days to get the heads done. manifold fits in under an hour(plus tune), where as doing heads is days. Get them done while they are off. I would really think you would be robbing yourself of gains not to mention wasted dollars doing it mainly due to labour time taking the heads on/ off twice.

I agree with this!!! Myself and magtone have both gone through this process, doing the heads is a fair few days of the road.

See that's weird, Jase. Cos when I emailed Fidanza they came back with a price that - with exchange rates and postage - was gunna put a pair of gears (@$166.97USD each) above $400 landed. Compared to $115 AUD each (and yes, I kept the quote to make sure) through Rocket plus freight. Hmmmm

Id be making sure Rocket Industries have quoted you correctly as they quoted me $150+ GST ($165) each for the correct cam gears plus $30-40 freight, that was the price that jason summit said no one else could match.... but when they couldnt give definate delivery times, i said stuff it and went direct to the manufacturer and got a better price with delivered in exactly 3 weeks.

Who at Fidanza emailed you back? I dealt with Jeff Jenkins.

I agree with this!!! Myself and magtone have both gone through this process, doing the heads is a fair few days of the road.

well...kinda. i only went stage ones and didn't get the springs, or heads taken off. But we have both had the car off the road longer than anticipated. Nothing goes to plan with modding. Allow extra time than quoted.

Not sure about the Ralliart heads. Not much i dont imagine.

well...kinda. i only went stage ones and didn't get the springs, or heads taken off. But we have both had the car off the road longer than anticipated. Nothing goes to plan with modding. Allow extra time than quoted.

Not sure about the Ralliart heads. Not much i dont imagine.


With the ralliart head's all that has been done to them is the shroud around the valves has been removed

makes sense wat kind of head work we talking about??? or if i get the rallairt heads as mentioned earlier what else will i need??
do you have another car you can drive around in for a month? might be easier to give the head mob your existing heads with the cams and other goodies and just get it all back in one hit. My heads were gone just under 2 weeks but i wasnt in too much of a rush as i was waiting for pistons.
You'll be looking at anywhere from $1000-$1600 on the heads pending on how extreme you want the work to be done

I rang up rocket industries and talked to some guy who did not seem interested in helping me at all said that no one he knows of does these for the 6g74 engine and even claimed he was looking through his fidanza booklet. do these have to be custom made???? :confused:

Email to Rocket Industry:

"could you supply and deliver Fidanza adjustable cam gears for Mitsubishi Magna 3.5 V6 6G74 SOHC."

reply from email

"Thankyou for your enquiry.

PART NO: FI961334 $137 + GST./each. (4 x required)
FIDANZA CAM GEAR MITSUBISHI V6
3000 GT & ALL V6 - ADJUST CLEAR.

+ PLUS FREIGHT $$"

fool gave me the part number and pricing for the DOHC cam gear.... clearly i was enquiring about the SOHC...

here are the part number for the Magna/Diamante engines
FI961639 - Blue cam gear
FI961634 - Silver cam gear
FI961636 - Red cam gear

Email to Rocket Industry:

"could you supply and deliver Fidanza adjustable cam gears for Mitsubishi Magna 3.5 V6 6G74 SOHC."

reply from email

"Thankyou for your enquiry.

PART NO: FI961334 $137 + GST./each. (4 x required)
FIDANZA CAM GEAR MITSUBISHI V6
3000 GT & ALL V6 - ADJUST CLEAR.

+ PLUS FREIGHT $$"

fool gave me the part number and pricing for the DOHC cam gear.... clearly i was enquiring about the SOHC...

here are the part number for the Magna/Diamante engines
FI961639 - Blue cam gear
FI961634 - Silver cam gear
FI961636 - Red cam gear


this is exactly what i got!!!!! rang them back this arv got talking to Damien he actually seemed like he wanted to help said that they can get them in but will ring me back tommoz :cool:

do you have another car you can drive around in for a month? might be easier to give the head mob your existing heads with the cams and other goodies and just get it all back in one hit. My heads were gone just under 2 weeks but i wasnt in too much of a rush as i was waiting for pistons.
You'll be looking at anywhere from $1000-$1600 on the heads pending on how extreme you want the work to be done


cars are not a prob i can borrow my gf's car or the work ute.

does anyone know that if i do get the ralliart heads would the head work done to these be sufficient or would these also need to be ported polished and whatever else :confused:

cars are not a prob i can borrow my gf's car or the work ute.

does anyone know that if i do get the ralliart heads would the head work done to these be sufficient or would these also need to be ported polished and whatever else :confused:

If you going to take the car off the road for a few weeks, dont buy new head castings. Save the money and put it towards the porting/flowing your current heads.

Id be making sure Rocket Industries have quoted you correctly as they quoted me $150+ GST ($165) each for the correct cam gears plus $30-40 freight, that was the price that jason summit said no one else could match.... but when they couldnt give definate delivery times, i said stuff it and went direct to the manufacturer and got a better price with delivered in exactly 3 weeks.

Who at Fidanza emailed you back? I dealt with Jeff Jenkins.
Can't recall the dude' name at Fidanza. Just kept the link to the web page, which still shows the USD price I quoted before. By chance, mine actually yesterday arv. Total price to my door in 3 weeks was $311.65, GST and all freight inclusive. And the gears were indeed $115 each plus GST, and I only paid the US freight of $40 (no local freight charged). Maybe I just got lucky (that's be a first with modifying this car lol )

Can't recall the dude' name at Fidanza. Just kept the link to the web page, which still shows the USD price I quoted before. By chance, mine actually yesterday arv. Total price to my door in 3 weeks was $311.65, GST and all freight inclusive. And the gears were indeed $115 each plus GST, and I only paid the US freight of $40 (no local freight charged). Maybe I just got lucky (that's be a first with modifying this car lol )

Maybe Rocket industries sharpened there pencils (dropped there prices) after i told them to shove it up there **** cos i can get them cheaper direct from Fidanza?
Either way it seems like a win win, I got a great price direct from Fidanza and you got a good price from rockets. :D

thanks for all the info guys your a great bunch and really helped me get this project running.
ill let you know how everything goes:cool:

Maybe Rocket industries sharpened there pencils (dropped there prices) after i told them to shove it up there **** cos i can get them cheaper direct from Fidanza?

:bowrofl: Nothing like a bit of ...er...customer feedback to make some poeple get their act together

Maybe Rocket industries sharpened there pencils (dropped there prices) after i told them to shove it up there **** cos i can get them cheaper direct from Fidanza?
Either way it seems like a win win, I got a great price direct from Fidanza and you got a good price from rockets. :D

just got my quote from rocket they want $260 ea + $80 freight = Get stuffed.

could not beleive it so now im trying fidanza directly :rant:

just got my quote from rocket they want $260 ea + $80 freight = Get stuffed.

could not beleive it so now im trying fidanza directly :rant:

With rocket it depends on who you talk to and if you are an account holder with them, ill check the part no at work for you tomorrow and get a "real" price for you

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this link is for the silver one, but they do offer the blue and red as well, postage is US$30

That is ridiculous, i paid Just over $440 for 4 adjustable cam gears, in AU, delivered to my door.

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(9-1, 10-1, 10.5-1 comp ratio)
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Performance Wrist Pins
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Complete Gasket Set
Brass Head Gasket
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(93, 94mm) and
(9-1, 10-1, 10.5-1 comp ratio)
Performance Rings
Performance Wrist Pins
TOGA HP Main Bearings
TOGA HP Rod Bearings
Freeze Plugs
Timing Belt (97-00 only)

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He can be for the right price :bowrofl:

thank you if you were a chick i might offer to make sweet love to you lol :bowrofl:

All good mate

There got some nice stuff on there im tempted to buy a set of 10.5 pistons they have for $580 USD a set. :shock:


He can be for the right price :bowrofl:

Has Gas_Hed been showing you photos again

just got my quote from rocket they want $260 ea + $80 freight = Get stuffed.

could not beleive it so now im trying fidanza directly :rant:
No, that must be $260 for the pair. Email them and get a written quote from Jason. Remind him what the total prices were for my whole order.

No, that must be $260 for the pair. Email them and get a written quote from Jason. Remind him what the total prices were for my whole order.

at the moment im liking the prices on import performance parts website. but if all else fails ill ring em back and ask to talk to jason.