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magnatom
25-09-2008, 09:19 PM
Just curious as to what people have done to fix up the faded patches for burgundy red? Im not really in a position for respray as i am a fulltime student...
A mate suggested some decent cut and polish and a buffer pad for the angle grinder. :)
dimi108
25-09-2008, 09:57 PM
It all depends how much there is. If there's just a small spot which is fading, you can get your paint in a can (you can have it mixed if you need to from Autobarn) and touch up from there. Sand it down a bit, spray on a bit of primer, spray your paint on then clear coat and cut and polish.
Or if you're really on a tight budget at the moment, get your paint colour in a can, and lightly spray it over the faded spots just as a temporary fix. It'll look good for about a month or two but using this "easy" method, the paint will eventually wear away after you wash your car.
fer0x
25-09-2008, 10:01 PM
just keep in mind even these fixes might not work out too great, especially in the bergundy
its bad enough for my white TR, because of general paint fade, the new touch up wont blend with the rest
(or atleast iv found, you might be able to do it fine and I might just really suck at it)
magnatom
25-09-2008, 10:03 PM
yeah theres a fair bit on the front, side above the wheel arch, and a bit on the spoiler. The clear coat is starting to peel but i heard you can just buff it out?
yann89
25-09-2008, 10:24 PM
yeah theres a fair bit on the front, side above the wheel arch, and a bit on the spoiler. The clear coat is starting to peel but i heard you can just buff it out?
wrong, you CANNOT buff it out. the only way to "fix" this problem properly is to respray which can be VERY costly. Ask around, I know all about it :doubt:
The paint fade issue is a result of painting technique not being correct at the time of painting. I am told that the way cars were sprayed back then is not the same as nowa days (View most VN/VP/VR commodores-strangely, Falcons did not have this issue with only a small amount losing their paint).
wombat
26-09-2008, 01:39 PM
Park somewhere where its a high chance that someone will hit you, take my advice, my car has been resprayed pretty much all over 4 times this year:P
magnatom
26-09-2008, 06:32 PM
or just trade it in for a magna with a better paint job :P
MadMax
26-09-2008, 06:47 PM
Once the clearcoat peels off, the pigmented coat is very soft and any buffing will take it down to the primer very quickly.
Solution 1 = ignore it. No, it won't go away - it will just get worse until the rust starts appearing. The colour coat and the primer are not waterproof.
Solution 2 = pay someone to strip the roof, bonnet, top of guards, bootlid and respray.
Solution 3 = strip whole car, repaint in a solid colour like Scotia white, one of the original Magna colours for a gen 2.
PS The original paint wasn't "poorly applied" - acrylic laquer paint systems were used, and are affected by UV from the Sun. Modern paints are much better. So its a paint technology problem, rather than an application problem.
My preferred option is the last one. As a DIY exercise the cost is about $350.
Madmagna
26-09-2008, 06:50 PM
Clear over base, only one real fix and that is to respray
The base coat also loses some of its finish and putting new clear over it simply will not work
The clear, once faded will not gloss back up as it oxidises and generally by the time you cut through the oxidisation there is not clear left. Base coat is not gloss.
Oh and just to remove a little myth, Mitsubishi never used acrylic paints, these need a hard buff and cut post painting. They used 2 pac systems however the technology was simply not there when they made these cars.
MadMax
26-09-2008, 06:55 PM
2 pac you say? Well,well . . . .
yann89
26-09-2008, 07:08 PM
PS The original paint wasn't "poorly applied" - acrylic laquer paint systems were used, and are affected by UV from the Sun. Modern paints are much better. So its a paint technology problem, rather than an application problem.
My preferred option is the last one. As a DIY exercise the cost is about $350.
...This is exactly what I was getting at, my wording must have been wrong.
I also prefer a respray but if you're on a budget, spray the same colour as you wont have to redo door sills/boot sill/engine bay.
MadMax
26-09-2008, 07:15 PM
OK! It's 2 pac, not acrylic mmmmmkay?
But I agree.
If ya luvs ya magna, its worth the respray cost, whichever way you choose to go.
yann89
26-09-2008, 08:35 PM
OK! It's 2 pac, not acrylic mmmmmkay?
But I agree.
If ya luvs ya magna, its worth the respray cost, whichever way you choose to go.
Wtf are you on about buddy.i said nothing about acrylic or 2pac. CLEAR over BASE.
magnatom
27-09-2008, 12:04 AM
so basically, what i should do, since im on a budget, is get a mix made up to match the paint, and have a temporary fix of spray paint made up?
what if i were to do this and spray it with clear gloss?
The option for further down the track was to get it foam (or soda?) blasted and then make it black, cos i reckon it would look good black, but apparentely black fades worse than burgundy red?
RoGuE_StreaK
27-09-2008, 06:59 AM
but apparentely black fades worse than burgundy red?Put it this way; how long has your paint been on your car? 15 odd years? Doubtful you'll be keeping your car and new paintjob for another 10+ years.
magnatom
27-09-2008, 08:41 AM
The old man reckons he got it resprayed about 7 or 8 years ago at most...
The car on a whole is not bad at all, just this one section, as i said above the wheel arch and on on the top of the wagon spoiler.
but yes i see what you mean. i'll have it with me for at least the next two years when i move to Kalgoorlie, and i dont wanna be riding around in a ***** box
Madmagna
27-09-2008, 07:17 PM
You say the spoiler and the wheel arch.
If a reasonable painter can not blend a panel they do not deserve to be painting, the spoiler can either be replaced with a good one matching colour to removed and painted while the arch is being done.
Should not cost you more than 4 - 5 hundred bucks at the most providing is only those 2 areas
Manufactures have not ever used acrylic, in the old days it was a baked enamel which was tough as nails, faded and always polished up a treat. In more recent years have changed to 2 part systems, ie paint and a hardener
magnatom
27-09-2008, 07:36 PM
yeah after a bit of a closer inspection, the roof looks like its going too... :(
although in small patches. i'll try to cream cut and polish that. Hopefully will help. bit of turtle wax to finish it. fingers crossed haha :|
Mrmacomouto
27-09-2008, 08:58 PM
Cut and polish is not going to fix the problem at hand, and is really going to be doing more damage.
The problem is that the top layer of paint has worn away and should be replaced, now by all means if you want to try and hide the problem then you can, but even if it looks better all you have done is just remove more paint.
Red Valdez
27-09-2008, 09:28 PM
i'll try to cream cut and polish that. Hopefully will help
magnatom, you seem to be missing the point of nearly everyone who has replied so far.
Swirls and oxidisation can normally be taken care of by paint correction.. clear coat failure on the other hand cannot.
Save up for a respray or put up with it.
[TUFFTR]
28-09-2008, 07:22 AM
magnatom, you seem to be missing the point of nearly everyone who has replied so far.
Swirls and oxidisation can normally be taken care of by paint correction.. clear coat failure on the other hand cannot.
Save up for a respray or put up with it.
Thats it, your better off coloring in the patches with crayons
MadMax
28-09-2008, 01:23 PM
Why not just buff it down to the metal, and put a clear coat over that?
An instant Magna-DeLorean!
I second this suggestion!
"Save up for a respray or put up with it."
Crayons? Not so much . . . .
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