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I see a brown piston :s
why what did you ****

ouch that is sure going to hurt in more ways then one.

If a picture tells a thousand words, you may need a few hundred more......

Those pictures dont say squat :P

looking forward to this next stage of mods what power figure are you aiming for when its completed.

Can't be good from what I can see.
Do Tell

headgasket?

god, can't you lot wait 45 seconds for me to post another picture!

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We are all just eager......

dang.......how was this managed?

If you were trying to stuff up your deck that chain job is a good way :slap:

If you were trying to stuff up your deck that chain job is a good way :slap:
Supposed to be connected to the outside of the engine via the hooking points yes?
What exactly happened? lol @ timing belt....
Sorry to hear mate i would be PISSED :(

What did actually happen i have heard a few different things.

']Supposed to be connected to the outside of the engine via the hooking points yes?
What exactly happened? lol @ timing belt....
Sorry to hear mate i would be PISSED :(

Yes

It'll buff out :D

Pfft .......the rings are still there, keep drivin it ya girl lol

I hope that aint a crack in the block there.

Detonation to loose a chunk of piston i suspect.

umm lost fuel to that injector, and the 7th injector was still running so just enough fuel to make a massive detonation.

why the connection came loose on the injector i dont know, maybe i pulled it when i was installing the new s/c oil lines or it was a fuel starvation problem. I've narrowed it down to 1 of those 2 problems. Next time i will have a surge tank and i will probably heat shrink the injector connector on

Sad news man.... :doubt:

Sad news man.... :doubt:
not too worried, just ordered one new piston, full set of comp rings and oil rings, spare block is getting honed and acid dipped, everything is getting balanced, cams are getting a regrind so it should be a fair bit more powerful once its all back together

Next time i will have a surge tank and i will probably heat shrink the injector connector on

Dont heat shrink connectors on :doubt:

Just buy a new set of connectors if you are worried that it came off, I have pulled many connectors off injectors that have been heat damaged, half broken, and they dont come off easily...

Fuel pressure regulator, surge tank, and quite possible a fuel pressure gauge could be a good option.

Jase, care to share the cam profile you're using? I've come to have a pretty good idea what's what when it comes to spec'ing cams for NA builds, but I'm not sure about profiles for supercharged applications.

Be interesting to see how much extra power you get from the cams.

were they forgies???

were they forgies???
sure were

That's sad to see. Another rebuild...

Jase, care to share the cam profile you're using? I've come to have a pretty good idea what's what when it comes to spec'ing cams for NA builds, but I'm not sure about profiles for supercharged applications.

Be interesting to see how much extra power you get from the cams.
i'll be happy to tell you once i know. I sent them away and told them what they were and what i wanted the car to do. i get them back in 2 weeks so i should know by then

Dont heat shrink connectors on :doubt:

Just buy a new set of connectors if you are worried that it came off, I have pulled many connectors off injectors that have been heat damaged, half broken, and they dont come off easily...

Fuel pressure regulator, surge tank, and quite possible a fuel pressure gauge could be a good option.
i've got a sard fuel reg, but will get a surge tank for safety and to eliminate a potential problem.

hahhahahhaahahah

and this happens before the snail

i swear you can almost make out the mitsi logo in the middle of the piston.

I thought i broke mine plenty.. Thats the third time this year..:) mine has only been broke once..:)

i swear you can almost make out the mitsi logo in the middle of the piston.

wtf are you smokin?

lol

sad new jase but ye will be better with the new build.

I thought i broke mine plenty.. Thats the third time this year..:) mine has only been broke once..:)
that's coz ur too lazy to get urs back on the road to break again :P jokes

sorry to hear that the car is yet again off the road, jase.. and jase (.. come to think of it, both jase's) hope to see ur car(s) on the road really soon

havent had any problems with my car :)

:badgrin:

sorry to hear..

buy an evo lol ive broken nothing at all yet lol


nah it should be alot better with what jase has planned...

was fun pulling it out anyway.. its a very social event a few guys working on a car having a beer .. and with the right gear its hardly back breaking work...

Jase, care to share the cam profile you're using? I've come to have a pretty good idea what's what when it comes to spec'ing cams for NA builds, but I'm not sure about profiles for supercharged applications.

Be interesting to see how much extra power you get from the cams.

Jas reckons around a 260 Deg With minimal Overlap and a decent amount of lift.

buy an evo lol ive broken nothing at all yet lol


nah it should be alot better with what jase has planned...

was fun pulling it out anyway.. its a very social event a few guys working on a car having a beer .. and with the right gear its hardly back breaking work...

Not far off breaking a rear diff like your friend did.... :bowrofl: Or perhaps more clutches?

Beer= Essential Operating Lubricant for hard working situations.

Beer= Essential Operating Lubricant for hard working situations.


Opperating lubricant with a couple of men and some alcahol involved, WHAT REALLY HAPPENED?

Opperating lubricant with a couple of men and some alcahol involved, WHAT REALLY HAPPENED?
sitting on the couch, staring at the motor on the floor in pieces :P

Another rebuild.
This happened at the day you were booting it around wakefield with rick shaw didn't it?

Another rebuild.
This happened at the day you were booting it around wakefield with rick shaw didn't it?
from memory this current rebuild was coz of oran park.. a few days before the cruise last month

Not far off breaking a rear diff like your friend did.... :bowrofl: Or perhaps more clutches?

Beer= Essential Operating Lubricant for hard working situations.
I think that rear diff thing was a G-up. If it wasn't, then wow. Pretty damn hard to break a rear diff in a new EVO. They're getting around in the states with 700hp on stock diffs. Clutches are a given, but gremlins' was never installed properly.

The problem is intercooling. These motors arn't that weak.

I think that rear diff thing was a G-up. If it wasn't, then wow. Pretty damn hard to break a rear diff in a new EVO. They're getting around in the states with 700hp on stock diffs. Clutches are a given, but gremlins' was never installed properly.

all that about my car was a massive G'Up ... im yet to have a single mechanical failure.. im now running a brass button clutch so shouldnt have clutch issues for awhile...

I think that rear diff thing was a G-up. If it wasn't, then wow. Pretty damn hard to break a rear diff in a new EVO. They're getting around in the states with 700hp on stock diffs. Clutches are a given, but gremlins' was never installed properly.

By the way anyone that is tlkn about my rear diff blowing, that was a mechanics error, he changed the oil and less than a thousand km l8r it blew, found the wrong oil in it. I had a new diff installed for nothing and i have a new mechanic now.

Jas reckons around a 260 Deg With minimal Overlap and a decent amount of lift.

Wonder who told him that... lol

Wonder who told him that... lol

I did mention you during my random face mashing keyboard that was my previous post. :D

I did mention you during my random face mashing keyboard that was my previous post. :D

Oh too many damn jasons lol

Oh too many damn jasons lolyou talking about me?

you talking about me?

Maybe he is talking about the other Jason? (Ego)

Now there is a mind bender for you.

Maybe he is talking about the other Jason? (Ego)

Now there is a mind bender for you.

Maybe i was talking about all 3 of us. :bowrofl:

Maybe i was talking about all 3 of us. :bowrofl:
go team!

well i completly stripped the block today, sending all the internals off to get balanced tomorrow. Still umming and arring about knife edging the crank. People say its only needed if i want to rev to 10,000rpm others say its a good idea so i dont know its probably just more money that i dont need to spend on a street car.

New piston arrives tomorrow, cams are still 2 weeks away but all is moving along alright


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here is a bit more trivia about my car being one of the 1st. When i pulled the heads off the 1st time, they both had ralliart written in texta on them (since gone after an acid wash). I pulled the gearbox cover plate off today to find the below written on the block. Kinda cool i guess


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What cams are you going with ?

What cams are you going with ?
dont know, getting a regrind. Jase VRX gave me a good idea what to do, and i told my head guy to pass on those details. he then came back to me saying that its very close to what i said. I just said i wanted something as aggresive as possible but to be streetable everyday

Sounds Interesting.... Keeps us posted on your progress and results

got the cams back today, dont look a whole lot differet but they're all done!

i've been given a card with the profiles on them. They dont me a thing to me but someone out there might understand them

Advertised Duration : 260 degrees intake, 264 degrees exhaust

Duration @ .050" Cam Lift : 213 degrees intake, 219 degrees exhaust

Lift at Cam : 233" intake, 231" exhaust

Not sure how these compare to a standard cam, so maybe someone can shead some light apon this

Yeah from what I read they are a probably the equivalent of a RPW stage 1.5-2 camshaft :) l

Not sure how these compare to a standard cam, so maybe someone can shead some light apon this

I'm pretty sure standard magna cams are 242 deg advertised duration on both the intake and exhaust, and 30 deg overlap. The standard ralliart cams are the same with with 10% more lift.

Any idea how much lift your cams have?

Be very interesting to see how they go, as I will probably follow suit eventually if the result is good. Given the recent reports of Tighe ****ing up their cam grinds recently, let's hope yours have been done right!

I'm pretty sure standard magna cams are 242 deg advertised duration on both the intake and exhaust, and 30 deg overlap. The standard ralliart cams are the same with with 10% more lift.

Any idea how much lift your cams have?

Be very interesting to see how they go, as I will probably follow suit eventually if the result is good. Given the recent reports of Tighe ****ing up their cam grinds recently, let's hope yours have been done right!
all i know is what is on this little card infront of me

all i know is what is on this little card infront of me


If you dont mind me asking where did you get them done at.

I'm pretty sure standard magna cams are 242 deg advertised duration on both the intake and exhaust, and 30 deg overlap. The standard ralliart cams are the same with with 10% more lift.

Any idea how much lift your cams have?

Be very interesting to see how they go, as I will probably follow suit eventually if the result is good. Given the recent reports of Tighe ****ing up their cam grinds recently, let's hope yours have been done right!

Your pretty close 248 deg to be exact. :)

got the cams back today, dont look a whole lot differet but they're all done!

i've been given a card with the profiles on them. They dont me a thing to me but someone out there might understand them

Advertised Duration : 260 degrees intake, 264 degrees exhaust

Duration @ .050" Cam Lift : 213 degrees intake, 219 degrees exhaust

Lift at Cam : 233" intake, 231" exhaust

Not sure how these compare to a standard cam, so maybe someone can shead some light apon this

Jase did they give you the valve timing (in degrees) of the inlets and exhausts? If so i can workout the overlap and lobe centrelines for ya.

Jase did they give you the valve timing (in degrees) of the inlets and exhausts? If so i can workout the overlap and lobe centrelines for ya.
nope, all the info i have said is all i have been given unfortunatly

Jas reckons around a 260 Deg With minimal Overlap and a decent amount of lift.

260's? Sounds soft...

You need at least 272's.. :badgrin:

Jase, 0.233" of lift seems VERY small dude.. you sure thats right..? It only works out to around 5.9mm.

260's? Sounds soft...

You need at least 272's.. :badgrin:
what cataloge did you read that out of?

260's? Sounds soft...

You need at least 272's.. :badgrin:




what cataloge did you read that out of?


Hahahahh That the funniest Crap ive ever seen.. U got OWNED Alex...:P

260's? Sounds soft...

You need at least 272's.. :badgrin:

Jase, 0.233" of lift seems VERY small dude.. you sure thats right..? It only works out to around 5.9mm.

Dont forget the magna V6 doesnt have direct actuation of the cam lobe onto the valve tip, so you must multiply the cam lobe height (cam lift height) by the rocker ratio to get the total "lift" amount/result.

what cataloge did you read that out of?

None. Its what my car is running. :cool:

But hey, whatever Im looking at sure beats looking at the RPW catalogue... :)

Dont forget the magna V6 doesnt have direct actuation of the cam lobe onto the valve tip, so you must multiply the cam lobe height (cam lift height) by the rocker ratio to get the total "lift" amount/result.

Hmmm, fair enough.. so what is the rocker ratio? 1.6?

Hmmm, fair enough.. so what is the rocker ratio? 1.6?

1.5 - 1.53

None. Its what my car is running. :cool:

But hey, whatever Im looking at sure beats looking at the RPW catalogue... :)
so it was the mitsu cataloge then.

and myself, like most don't buy a whole lot from RPW

so it was the mitsu cataloge then.

and myself, like most don't buy a whole lot from RPW

Mitsu cataloge eh? lol

small update,

received my Magneti Marelli stainless steel fuel injector in the mail yesterday. So i now have the tank built, a shurflo water pump and s/s injector all together. Once the car is back together and running, i'll plumb the system up and we'll go from there. I might need a fuel reg on the loop to keep presure in check, but the pump can pump over 13 litres a minute so water starvation should never be a problem


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bloody hell mate....... decent size to it... wheres it goin? in the engine bay or in the boot?

bloody hell mate....... decent size to it... wheres it goin? in the engine bay or in the boot?i'll probably bolt it to the top of the gearbox mount, and make a nice cover over the thop of it

i'll probably bolt it to the top of the gearbox mount, and make a nice cover over the thop of it

you would want to keep it nice and cool woudln't you??

I vote for making 2 tanks for up the front of your boot, one for this and one for fuel ;)

you would want to keep it nice and cool woudln't you??

I vote for making 2 tanks for up the front of your boot, one for this and one for fuel ;)you talking about a fuel surge tank? that will be taken care of once the car is running again. and why would i want another water tank in the boot? i've already got mine made under the bonnet

you talking about a fuel surge tank? that will be taken care of once the car is running again. and why would i want another water tank in the boot? i've already got mine made under the bonnet

lol, how will you cool the water tank though?? won't it just heat up with the engine bay? or are you going to push it through another radiator??

lol, how will you cool the water tank though?? won't it just heat up with the engine bay? or are you going to push it through another radiator??Methanol evaporates cold, just think when you spill acetone on your hands how cold it feels, so temperature isnt too much of a factor. If it does become a problem, them i will pump it through a small front mount radiator

connection came loose on the injector i dont know, . I've narrowed it down to 1 of those 2 problems. Next time i will have a surge tank and i will probably heat shrink the injector connector on

Dude surge tanks running twin 044 bosche fuel pumps are the way to go but now ILLEGAL so if you can run it in the spare wheel tub dude to stay on the downlow. Also instead of heat shrink just run a small ziptie on each injector if your worried about them flying off again.
Hey did you check out rest of the engine T.C Valve springs rods etc etc Only asking as i just had a nice little rebuild due to a valve spring calling it quits!!
Wasn't too bad damage but while it was apart i thought why not get the heads ported double row timing chain, new race rods, new exhaust valves, and comp 224/228 Cam. Cranky bugger now but geeze she flyes.

Dude surge tanks running twin 044 bosche fuel pumps are the way to go but now ILLEGAL so if you can run it in the spare wheel tub dude to stay on the downlow. Also instead of heat shrink just run a small ziptie on each injector if your worried about them flying off again.
Hey did you check out rest of the engine T.C Valve springs rods etc etc Only asking as i just had a nice little rebuild due to a valve spring calling it quits!!
Wasn't too bad damage but while it was apart i thought why not get the heads ported double row timing chain, new race rods, new exhaust valves, and comp 224/228 Cam. Cranky bugger now but geeze she flyes.

Incorrect, External Fuel pumps are legal in NSW given they are behind the rear firewall, also 3.5l magnas= timing belt not chain and he is only pushing 250kw ATW which doesnt really need anything more then what he doing, he has good advice from reliable sources he knows what he is doing.

I hope

got the cams back today, dont look a whole lot differet but they're all done!


Lift at Cam : 233" intake, 231" exhaust

Not sure how these compare to a standard cam, so maybe someone can shead some light apon this
Dude your going to need some paint thinner for those lumps your going to feel.
Mate that thing should sound bloody nice once the cams are back in. Did you think of getting custom cam grind for your setup??? There are a few places out there that you give them the specs of what you've got and what you are doing/using it for and they go ahead and give you a specific grind for the vehicle/weapon.
Comp Cams
CamTech
Crow
C.O.M.E
But jase not sure about price though as youd be getting x2

Incorrect, External Fuel pumps are legal in NSW given they are behind the rear firewall, also 3.5l magnas= timing belt not chain and he is only pushing 250kw ATW which doesnt really need anything more then what he doing, he has good advice from reliable sources he knows what he is doing.

I hope

Yes mate the external fuel pumps are sweet but the surge tanks are the problem. Ask any reliable mechanic to hook up a surge tank and they roll your car out the garage. Big fine for them. I was looking into a setup for myself but was told that reason.

Yes mate the external fuel pumps are sweet but the surge tanks are the problem. Ask any reliable mechanic to hook up a surge tank and they roll your car out the garage. Big fine for them. I was looking into a setup for myself but was told that reason.


I didnt know Surge Tanks where illegal..

I know loads of people with them and i dont have an issue. Never knew they where illegal..:)

Yes mate the external fuel pumps are sweet but the surge tanks are the problem. Ask any reliable mechanic to hook up a surge tank and they roll your car out the garage. Big fine for them. I was looking into a setup for myself but was told that reason.

News to me, my engineer said there is no issue provided it has the required NAT safety rating. 95% of proper premade tanks have this, since mine is an off the shelf item 9cheaper and its baffled i wont have any problems with mine, worse case ill have to put it in a fireproof enclosure in the boot(no biggie really)

im pretty sure Tza's cam's were a custom grind to suit the car....

250kw:bowrofl: thats what he said LAST TIME!!!!!