hay all just a few q's i have. had a quick search around couldn't find nothing. yeah i prob missed a few threads

1) is it worthwhile s/c a fwd magna?
2) how long will the magna last s/c'd with next to no modifications done
cause i dont want to spend thousand's afterwards every week to keep it running
3) what ball park figure will i be looking at installed,tuned etc ....
4) what sort of power gain should i expect
5) do the cv's like the idea of a s/c
6) is there any common issue's with s/c a magna
7) would i be better of spending say 5-6k on a n/a setup

cheers guys :) if u are going to burn me please do it at
www.boostcruising.com lol

yeh there are millions of threads on s/c. there are also alot of magnas s/c, with a few different types of brands, such as sprintex and raptor. both give out about 170 with no mods in the engine, and are pritty much bolt on. you can get a good price on the raptor s/c setup from here, as he is part of the club. there is no problems just bolting them on as long as you dont turn up the boost.

mike

oh and regards to na setup, thats the path i went and i will hit 6G easy once plenum is in and manual conversion and pistons are in, actually including labour that is more closer to 10G

10g lol... **** thats a bit more than expected

thanks anyway mike :)

That 10G includes everything i have done at different intervals and what i plan to do, but you can pick up a basic s/c kit for around 5G if you like. im just not very good at budgeting.

by the looks of your questions you either didn't search like you said you have, spelt words wrong in your search or used the wrong words completely.

on the main page if you scroll down to the bottom in the AMC sponsors section you will find that one of our latest and greatest sponsors is raptor superchargers.

read in there and you should find most of what you are looking for.

cheers guys :) if u are going to burn me please do it at
www.boostcruising.com lol


If i was going to burn you i would do it here as AMC needs a good laugh


and as ARS55 said if you would have done a search there are plenty of threads to read and there is some really good info on this site about supercharging a magna

yeah i read through a few of the threads but people on there didn't explain whether there cars were front wheeler or all wheeler, anyways dont have 10k lol pushin 6-7


yeah i guess its good to get burnt every now and then.

yeah i read through a few of the threads but people on there didn't explain whether there cars were front wheeler or all wheeler, anyways dont have 10k lol pushin 6-7


yeah i guess its good to get burnt every now and then.

mate 6 or 7 is all you need. what do you want to do to your car?

You could also look into buying a 2nd hand Sprintex kit, i got mine for 4500 and helped install it, with a custom tune and a Walbro pump im safely making 162atw with a very safe tune on 95 ron, and get around 500-600 to a full tank of motion lotion.

If you can get the dosh, do it, i wont ever go back to a NA car ever again now. Boost is FTW.

You could also look into buying a 2nd hand Sprintex kit, i got mine for 4500 and helped install it, with a custom tune and a Walbro pump im safely making 162atw with a very safe tune on 95 ron, and get around 500-600 to a full tank of motion lotion.

If you can get the dosh, do it, i wont ever go back to a NA car ever again now. Boost is FTW.

Hehehe i still like the sound and performance of a high revving high po V6 hence why my fagna has stayed NA.... If i want the feeling of boost i just jump into my modded mps and go for a hammer.

Guess i got the best of both worlds for now but im getting itchy feet to get some turbo RWD action, so may have to trade the mps for a new F6 mid next year.

yeah i read through a few of the threads but people on there didn't explain whether there cars were front wheeler or all wheeler, anyways dont have 10k lol pushin 6-7
yeah i guess its good to get burnt every now and then.

as i previously posted, go to the AMC sponsors section at the bottom of the home page and you will find the S/C raptor kits availabe. I believe the price is under the budget you have planned.

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Hehehe i still like the sound and performance of a high revving high po V6 hence why my fagna has stayed NA.... If i want the feeling of boost i just jump into my modded mps and go for a hammer.

Guess i got the best of both worlds for now but im getting itchy feet to get some turbo RWD action, so may have to trade the mps for a new F6 mid next year.

Ive owned a couple of resonably modded NA before (heavily worked WB with a 308 with a Fluffy) and a 2.3l Lancer but the fact that with the magna is just i can get in start it and have instant power from idle onward. Then there is the noise of the sprintex, but i think i can get over that when i have 25psi of boost running through 2inch Screamers i suppose.

I think you'll find most of the blown magna's on here are FWD. off the top of my head there's probably 3 or 4 AWDs running the Sprintex kit and probably 10-15 FWDs with either Sprintex or the new Raptor offering.

if you keep the Sprintex tune, you should have no dramas with reliability. most of the problems have come after we've played with AFRs and timing to squeeze a few more ponies out of them.

the Sprintex kit retailed for $7k. if you can find a 2nd hand one I'd expect to pay $3-4k + install (maybe a days labour if experienced). the Raptor kit I think is around $5k for the basic setup (check the sponsor section for pricing).

seeing as you have an auto, I would expect (from my personal experience) that you would pull around 150-160kw atw with a standard tuned Sprintex kit. the Raptor kit will be about the same. with extractors and a full exhaust I pulled close to 160kw, with a tune I pulled almost 170kw, but it didn't last a track day.

the drive train is more than up to the task. I cannot recommend a transmission cooler strongly enough if you're going to be driving it hard (and why would you bolt a blower on to baby it around?? :nuts:). the CV's and drive shafts are fine.

the only common issue is cracked/broken pistons from trying to get the most out of the engine. if you stay with a safe tune you'll be fine.

I might be biased, but I reckon boost torque from idle beats the crap out of revving the nuts off your engine... each to their own though.

cheers,
.wook

my car is manual not auto. yeah i have say between 5-6k. yeah any idea's on whom or where i can find a 2nd hand s/c

hay all just a few q's i have. had a quick search around couldn't find nothing. yeah i prob missed a few threads

1) is it worthwhile s/c a fwd magna?
2) how long will the magna last s/c'd with next to no modifications done
cause i dont want to spend thousand's afterwards every week to keep it running
3) what ball park figure will i be looking at installed,tuned etc ....
4) what sort of power gain should i expect
5) do the cv's like the idea of a s/c
6) is there any common issue's with s/c a magna
7) would i be better of spending say 5-6k on a n/a setup

cheers guys :) if u are going to burn me please do it at
www.boostcruising.com lol

1)
That's a complicated question.

An AWD magna will get off the line quicker, but a fwd will be quicker once rolling due to less weight and drivetrain loss. And even quicker if it's manual. LSD and good suspension setup also helps for fwds.

Whether spending the money S/C a magna is worth it when you could put it towards another car, that's up to you. Personally I have no regrets about it at all.

2)
As with any modification, there is always a risk of manufacturing/installation defect. But if you go about things the right way, you shouldn't have any problems. I've had the Sprintex for nearly 10,000km now, and it hasn't missed a beat. This includes 2 full trackdays. I havn't had to fix/replace anything.

3)
Varies greatly, depends if you get the gear second hand or not, and who fits it for you. As a rough guide, I would expect to pay $1000-2000 for installation of a second-hand kit, depending on who does it. Apparently Raptor will offer a basic kit for $5000, although I'm not sure if that includes fitting or not.

4)
To give you a ballpark figure, I dynoed my manual sprintex'd magna @180wkw. Details are in my profile. For an auto I would expect 15-20wkw less. If you get an intercooler for the Raptor kit, or water/meth setup for the Sprintex, you will probably make 10-15% more power with a correct tune.

5)
Havn't had any problems with my CVs (car has done 120,000km). I've thrashed the car around Wakefield Park twice since getting the Sprintex, done burnouts at the drags etc..my CVs have copping a pretty hard life and aren't showing any signs of problems.

6)
IMO no. We've had quite a few guys blow pistons with the Sprintex setup, but IMO that was due to poor tuning rather than the fault of the Sprintex kit itself. Mine has survived plenty of abuse just fine. The key is my tune is an edited version of the Sprintex tune, as opposed to a "from scratch" 3rd party tune made by someone with no understanding of how to tune a motor that was natively NA and has no intercooling. A few guys suffered some other problems earlier on, but IMO they have been ironed out by now.

7)
Complicated question. You can definantely make good power from an NA build, but it's definantely more challenging than a "bolt-on" blower kit. an NA build can easily go wrong if the cams aren't profiled right, the headwork isn't done in the right way that suits the cam profile etc. A bolt-on blower kit is definantely much less of a hassle - e.g generally much less time off the road for one, you don't have to source parts from a bunch of different places etc

As stated by others here, once you have had a supercharged car or FI of some sort you never go back to not having it. Amen :bowrofl:

Throw that speedo needle around the dial with force :badgrin:

As Stacky said to me about 3 days ago, knowing what he know's now (engine issue not withstanding) he would never do anything N/A at all, just save for the charger kit and get the feeling of immense torque increase. He is hanging so bad to get it happening again as he is having to drive his brothers Magna (same model and manual with most NA bolt ons) and the gutlessness is killing him!

As stated by others here, once you have had a supercharged car or FI of some sort you never go back to not having it. Amen :bowrofl:

Throw that speedo needle around the dial with force :badgrin:

As Stacky said to me about 3 days ago, knowing what he know's now (engine issue not withstanding) he would never do anything N/A at all, just save for the charger kit and get the feeling of immense torque increase. He is hanging so bad to get it happening again as he is having to drive his brothers Magna (same model and manual with most NA bolt ons) and the gutlessness is killing him!
Haha tradewinds right its like an addiction:D Most Mods you do its hard to really feel/justify the increase in power but you really feel this baby! Counting down the days till my pistons are finished..

You could also look at a good turbo RWD car......

S14 Silvia's have come down to about 14K......

But thats me :cool:

You will NEED $10K minimum from stock

ongoing costs aren't too much more expensive, the fuel bill will be higher and maybe servicing. Only time it will become dear is if you blow pistons, gearboxes and diffs.

my car is manual not auto. yeah i have say between 5-6k. yeah any idea's on whom or where i can find a 2nd hand s/c

your profile says different.

keep your eyes peeled on the forums. one might pop up.

As stated by others here, once you have had a supercharged car or FI of some sort you never go back to not having it. Amen :bowrofl:

Throw that speedo needle around the dial with force :badgrin:

As Stacky said to me about 3 days ago, knowing what he know's now (engine issue not withstanding) he would never do anything N/A at all, just save for the charger kit and get the feeling of immense torque increase. He is hanging so bad to get it happening again as he is having to drive his brothers Magna (same model and manual with most NA bolt ons) and the gutlessness is killing him!

I tend to disagree with the above comment lol

I tend to think a well built NA engine in a relatively heavy FWD manual magna is easier and potentially quicker around a track due to not having a huge amount of low down torque which can induce understeer/traction issues on tight tracks, also my car is definately not lacking in the daily drive stakes either. If the car is a heavy RWD or AWD car then of course boost and/or big displacement always rules.

With a boosted FWD/AWD auto then the added low down grunt is naturally of massive assistance.

If anyone is keen for a back to back magna (worked NA Vs Supercharged) track day here in SA, im up for it.

As ive said before i own both a NA car (magna), a boosted car (MPS) and a DI turbo diesel ute, so ive got a nice mix lol

boost FTW... unfortunately we all can't build engines ourselves like Jason's VRX :( I can see why he is a fan of the NA build.. but the way I looked at it was it was gonna cost alot more and not really going to be any more reliable... and harder to return to stock.. with my supercharger (which is different to the Sprintex / raptor kit) I can easily return the car to stock if needed...

also just so I can boast i've been fortunate enough not to do any major damage to my car.. had a faulty connection in the fuel pump which just stopped the car from starting one evening... and lost a nut of the Idle tensioner pulley.. which is factory part of the car so not entirely due to the supercharger..

also, I get about the same fuel economy as before, obviously if i was revvin the **** outta it for a full tank it wouldn't last as long.. but i boost around quite a bit and its still reasonable.. 500ish k's out of a full tank.. more if I drive it nicer.

only thing I can't stress enough is make sure u get a quality tune.. an extra 1000bucks towards the build is worth it to save the 1000's a melted piston will cost you.. so always remember that.

I tend to disagree with the above comment lol

I tend to think a well built NA engine in a relatively heavy FWD manual magna is easier and potentially quicker around a track due to not having a huge amount of low down torque which can induce understeer/traction issues on tight tracks, also my car is definately not lacking in the daily drive stakes either. If the car is a heavy RWD or AWD car then of course boost and/or big displacement always rules.




I agree, although perhaps not completely.

IMO low-rpm grunt is nice to have, but ONLY if it's delivery very controllable. I find the Sprintex setup a pleasure to drive around the track, because the throttle response is still very sharp and linear, very easy to modulate the throttle accurately. It basically drives like a NA motor with 50% more capacity, but also with spread of power that's a bit broader than a stock magna - makes boost just off idle, but peak power is @6,000rpm rather than around 5,000.

A turbo going coming hard onto boost in a fwd is a different story however, very hard to feed in power smoothly.

I find the broad spread and linear delivery of power from the Sprintex setup very handy on the track..the top-end extends a good 1,000rpm further than a stock magna, but it's also MUCH stronger at low/mid rpm as well.

Having good torque from just off-idle comes in handy too. E.g when my car was NA, I found there were 2 spots at Wakefield that were a bit awkward for the gearing, particularly turn 2 and the end of the front straight. In 2nd gear I'd run out of revs on the way out of the corner, and have to shift while still straightening up. But if I used 3rd gear through corner the revs would drop a bit too low and fall out of the "powerband". With the Sprintex now I can use 3rd gear for that corner but still have as much grunt on tap as I'd want on the corner exit.

At the end of the day I doubt there would be much difference in lap times between a Sprintex setup and NA build of similar power levels, but the driving style required to get the best times would be a bit different. Both have their pros and cons - The sprintex would have a broader spread of usable power, but the built NA motor's powerband would extent to higher revs.

As you are aware, a serious NA build was my orignal plan, until I stumbled across a second-hand Sprintex kit and got sucked into it :P Both are good in different ways.

As for the centrifugal Raptor setup, I'm not really sure. I know centrifugal setups are generally "laggy"compared to positive displacement blowers, but I'm not sure to what extent -I'm guesing it would still be much more linear than a biggish turbo coming onto boost though.

As for the centrifugal Raptor setup, I'm not really sure. I know centrifugal setups are generally "laggy"compared to positive displacement blowers, but I'm not sure to what extent -I'm guesing it would still be much more linear than a biggish turbo coming onto boost though.

I have a similar.. but smaller centrifugal blower.. I don't find it laggy at all but it definitely doesn't have the kick at 2500rpm (or there abouts) that the sprintex kit seems to produce, its just consistently smooth power delivery from idle to redline.

im still to get a dyno read out which shows the boost level's for comparison

I have a similar.. but smaller centrifugal blower.. I don't find it laggy at all but it definitely doesn't have the kick at 2500rpm (or there abouts) that the sprintex kit seems to produce, its just consistently smooth power delivery from idle to redline.

im still to get a dyno read out which shows the boost level's for comparison

Eh? The Sprintex doesn't produce any "kick" at 2500rpm in my experience, the it basically just feels like a larger displacement NA motor from off-idle, there's no feeling of boosting coming on, it's very smooth.

Although some of the Sprintex tunes seem a bit rough for part-throttle driving, I remember mine felt a bit "surgy" until it was edited.

Eh? The Sprintex doesn't produce any "kick" at 2500rpm in my experience, the it basically just feels like a larger displacement NA motor from off-idle, there's no feeling of boosting coming on, it's very smooth.

Although some of the Sprintex tunes seem a bit rough for part-throttle driving, I remember mine felt a bit "surgy" until it was edited.

i've only been in a couple of sprintex cars... but there was definitely something there when it came on boost, maybe i exadurated a little.. but it was noticable to me both times..

so when do u start making boost? at idle?

With my Sprintex charger there's definitely a noticable kick around the 2,500 rpm point (my boost gauge seems to support this as well). From here on the power just keeps building up smoothly. Even below 2,500 rpm there's a bit of extra kick but you can definitely feel it more around 2,500 rpm.

i definantly get a kick, but it is later, the boost on mine seems to come on at about 3000rpm

The trick with any supercharger kit for FWD vehicles is to not have too much coming in too early and any charger that pours it on from 3000rpm or so will definitely result in a more balanced driving experience.

Jason makes a lot of good points but since know one knows much how to arrive at his results (development kept to himself) then the N/A path is going to be very expensive and hit and miss for the majority who try it.

The boost is easy, it works and with good tuning is just a sure fire way to make the Nm's happen.

We should have Qld Magna dyno day sometime soonish, for the NA and boosted versions. Like Feb next year or maybe a bit later into Autumn once humidity drops off a bit.

The trick with any supercharger kit for FWD vehicles is to not have too much coming in too early and any charger that pours it on from 3000rpm or so will definitely result in a more balanced driving experience.

Jason makes a lot of good points but since know one knows much how to arrive at his results (development kept to himself) then the N/A path is going to be very expensive and hit and miss for the majority who try it.

The boost is easy, it works and with good tuning is just a sure fire way to make the Nm's happen.

It really isnt overly expensive to do a nice NA 3.5L (around 180-190 wheel Kw's) properly, the problem the majority of people on her face is business's just wanna bend them over and shaft them right up the ass because: A) its a "magna" and B) it involves the business workers having to use there brains to get good results compared to a bogan V8 or old school 6. As ive always said these business's have to think outside the square, abit like street torque have done.

But i agree with you tim, your SC kits are fairly competative in price and with "good" tuning, will be safe and comfortably able to achieve 180kws@wheels.

If i had the time (and money) id love to grab one of your "big" intercooled kits and add it to my fully built up NA but to do it right i would have to leave the smallish cams that are currently in the engine (because of tighes stuff up) and drop the comp back to 8-8.5:1 :)

It really isnt overly expensive to do a nice NA 3.5L (around 180-190 wheel Kw's)

How much are we talking?

How much are we talking?

Depends on how much groundwork (calling around and sourcing the parts and organising the machining work etc) you do and if you are able to do any/all of the spanner work like removing the engine from the car, pulling it to pieces and reassembling it once you have all the parts and any machining work has been done.

Labour costs are probably a good third of the cost of doing the engine, especially with most places charging $70+ per hour

With my Sprintex charger there's definitely a noticable kick around the 2,500 rpm point (my boost gauge seems to support this as well). From here on the power just keeps building up smoothly. Even below 2,500 rpm there's a bit of extra kick but you can definitely feel it more around 2,500 rpm.

Interesting, I've never noticed this, maybe it's in the tune, or I just don't pay enough attention. I'll "keep an eye out for it" next time I hop in the car.

I wish I hadn't lost my dyno graph with the boost plot. But from memory it goes something like 3psi@1500rpm, 5psi@2000rpm, and the full 7psi at 2500rpm. Anyone got a sprintex boost plot they can post up?

My "powerband" around Wakefield Park is 3,000rpm - 6200rpm (It doesn't drop off that badly after that, could hang onto each gear for a few more hundred rpm but I prefer to drive with a bit of mechanical sympathy). Regardless of whether there is a "kick" in power delivery or not, as long as it isn't in the middle of the "power band", it's not an issue.

Kind of an illustration of a worse-case scenario: I had a ride around Wakefield in a 2JZ Supra with a big single (GT42 I think?), and I can tell from the passenger seat it seemed like an absolute pain in the **** to drive around the track. The driver would basically mash the throttle coming out of corners, because it was gutless off boost. Then halfway exiting the corner it would hit boost in a very sudden fashion, the car would start to oversteer/wheelspin, and he'd back-off the throttle/grab opposite lock to wrestle it back under control. Not exactly my idea of a fun track car.

As long as the Raptor kit provides a fairly smooth/linear power delivery, it should be good value for money, and be good for the track too.

With my Sprintex charger there's definitely a noticable kick around the 2,500 rpm point (my boost gauge seems to support this as well). From here on the power just keeps building up smoothly. Even below 2,500 rpm there's a bit of extra kick but you can definitely feel it more around 2,500 rpm.

Yep mine feels exactly the same, and mine was tuned at the same place as Chisholm's

i imagine the raptor kit will be the same as mine.. nothing like the turbo supra as it builds boost.. its not like ur off boost and then on.. its the same as the sprintex kit just a little more spread out through the rev range...

I find my car with the supercharger is now alot better to drive on mountains and twisty roads because the power is smoother than it was factory...

i imagine the raptor kit will be the same as mine.. nothing like the turbo supra as it builds boost.. its not like ur off boost and then on.. its the same as the sprintex kit just a little more spread out through the rev range...

I find my car with the supercharger is now alot better to drive on mountains and twisty roads because the power is smoother than it was factory...
The raptor does seem to really take off between 3000-3500rpm, the power delivery is still pretty smooth but its round then u start to grip the wheel alot tighter:badgrin:

Interesting, I've never noticed this, maybe it's in the tune, or I just don't pay enough attention. I'll "keep an eye out for it" next time I hop in the car.

I wish I hadn't lost my dyno graph with the boost plot. But from memory it goes something like 3psi@1500rpm, 5psi@2000rpm, and the full 7psi at 2500rpm. Anyone got a sprintex boost plot they can post up?

My "powerband" around Wakefield Park is 3,000rpm - 6200rpm (It doesn't drop off that badly after that, could hang onto each gear for a few more hundred rpm but I prefer to drive with a bit of mechanical sympathy). Regardless of whether there is a "kick" in power delivery or not, as long as it isn't in the middle of the "power band", it's not an issue.

Kind of an illustration of a worse-case scenario: I had a ride around Wakefield in a 2JZ Supra with a big single (GT42 I think?), and I can tell from the passenger seat it seemed like an absolute pain in the **** to drive around the track. The driver would basically mash the throttle coming out of corners, because it was gutless off boost. Then halfway exiting the corner it would hit boost in a very sudden fashion, the car would start to oversteer/wheelspin, and he'd back-off the throttle/grab opposite lock to wrestle it back under control. Not exactly my idea of a fun track car.

As long as the Raptor kit provides a fairly smooth/linear power delivery, it should be good value for money, and be good for the track too.

Try putting in a higher gear (such as 4th) and put your foot down from around 25-30 clicks until you go to 4,000 rpm. Keep an eye on the tacho and on you should feel the surge of it coming on at around the 2500 mark.

Big turbos have never been good for track, something like a gt28x2 or even a 35 would be more suited for track, as there would be less lag and the power band would be anywhere from 2500-6000 rpm.

anywhere in Brisbane that would consider fitting and tuning a s/c and do a good job cause yeah melted piston=not cool :thumbsup:

anywhere in Brisbane that would consider fitting and tuning a s/c and do a good job cause yeah melted piston=not cool :thumbsup:

Speak to Stacky/Raptor SC aka Tim, im positive stacky had his tuned in Brissy, be forewarned though, with an un IC kit be very wary of how hard you tell the tuner to push it, make sure he runs it nice and rich and take it easy on the timing. Also looking into an ECU that has post blower temp timing control is handy as well.

To get it all setup etc should be around the 5-6k mark unintercooled and 7ish for the Intercooled. You can save a good wad of cash if you install the blower yourself (apparently its easy as looking at the photos will know when we have Brads kit show up)

either that or go speak to the guys at bullet cars.. they did my supercharger set up.
they will be considerably more expensive than raptor. however.. my car has been 100% from the day i picked it up. so their quality is 2nd to none..
however if ur not wanting to spend too much go with raptor and i would stick with the low boost set up... unless u spend some more and go for the intercooled set up

There are a lot of plans you go with Alistar

You could have our charger system fitted and then go the same tuning route as QMD if you wanted to, with Chiptorque /Xede etc. Chiptorque are also a supplier of tuning for Raptor Superchargers so if their tuning solution/method makes you feel more comfortable then that can be arranged. Whatever tickles your fancy.

Otherwise go the 6.5psi fitted and tuned at MSA - Browns Plains, going an intercooler option of course brings in a huge measure of safety. You can't buy a piston cracker package (8-9psi boost and no intercooler) anymore, Stacky bought the very last one!

With Stacky's car the torque at 8.7psi was very high for a non intercooled engine, that could be maintained but with a good margin of piston safety with an intercooler ie like QMD. The protection gained by lowering of T1 should never be underestimated.

Going the intercooling is always a budget stretcher tho so I would go the 6.5 - 7psi no cooler - well thats the Raptor policy anyway now and that can pretty much pull 175 - 180kw at the rubber with manual trans.


The moral of the story from our point of view for the 3.5 liter engine is

Up to 6.6psi with no intercooler - No exceptions to this rule

Up to 8.7psi with intercooler - Don't be greedy and want more boost later on unless you are thinking pistons:badgrin:

sorry to hijack, but are the air-air intercoolers possible, as the room for piping down to the front bar is a bit of a squeeze, anybody done this before? pics?

sorry to hijack, but are the air-air intercoolers possible, as the room for piping down to the front bar is a bit of a squeeze, anybody done this before? pics?


I looked in to this a week ago and i wouldn't bother trying unless you want to make some minor/major mods to the bar and surrounding parts. im now going water to air

sorry to hijack, but are the air-air intercoolers possible, as the room for piping down to the front bar is a bit of a squeeze, anybody done this before? pics?


I dont think iits been done with one of the magna kits. YET!
But can be done....

no supercharger however black beard has an air to air intercoooler..

i was going to go down the same route with the air - air cooler, however the water - air cooler is just so much more efficient, so we decided to pay a little more and stick with this.. also meant we could do a more ""stealt/sleeper"" install

no supercharger however black beard has an air to air intercoooler..

i was going to go down the same route with the air - air cooler, however the water - air cooler is just so much more efficient, so we decided to pay a little more and stick with this.. also meant we could do a more ""stealt/sleeper"" install

yeah i like the w**k factor of a intercooler at the front, but not if its a really tricky job to do

yeah i like the w**k factor of a intercooler at the front, but not if its a really tricky job to do

The main problem is that the blower outlet and the TB are both on the same side of the motor, so you need some tricky pipework to get around it all. That and trying to keep the number of bends to a minimum and amount of silicon joiners would be a tough task as well.

Also i believe blackbeard had the end tanks of his cooler made up to suit so he didnt need to chop the reo bar.

The main problem is that the blower outlet and the TB are both on the same side of the motor, so you need some tricky pipework to get around it all. That and trying to keep the number of bends to a minimum and amount of silicon joiners would be a tough task as well.

Also i believe blackbeard had the end tanks of his cooler made up to suit so he didnt need to chop the reo bar.

correct that is the issue with the raptor kit to try and turn it into a air to air setup.

blackbeard has a standard intercooler, just turned upside down. I was going for an identical set up to blackbeard also for the wank factor of the fmic however im very glad i went for the stealth look..

correct that is the issue with the raptor kit to try and turn it into a air to air setup.

blackbeard has a standard intercooler, just turned upside down. I was going for an identical set up to blackbeard also for the wank factor of the fmic however im very glad i went for the stealth look..

Even then there is SFA gap between the blower and the TB even when going a W2A setup was pretty difficult finding one that will slide in easily with enough space for the BPV.

Even then there is SFA gap between the blower and the TB even when going a W2A setup was pretty difficult finding one that will slide in easily with enough space for the BPV.

nah there is pleanty of room... just gotta source the right core

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look at mine, incase you don't know its the black box on the passenger side you could easily incorporate similar with the raptor setup

nah there is pleanty of room... just gotta source the right core

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look at mine, incase you don't know its the black box on the passenger side you could easily incorporate similar with the raptor setup

Ive worked it out at 370 from the outlet of the blower to the first edge of the TB, but also in the raptor as well we will need a stretch of pipe to plumb the BPV into. There is a few cores out there, worst comes to worse we just use a bit more million dollar pipe.

nah there is pleanty of room... just gotta source the right core

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look at mine, incase you don't know its the black box on the passenger side you could easily incorporate similar with the raptor setup
How much did ur W2A setup cost? thinking bout doing this when funds allow it

How much did ur W2A setup cost? thinking bout doing this when funds allow it



Check out the last page or second last page in the raptor thread Magna00 posted up the water 2 air kit im buying.

Check out the last page or second last page in the raptor thread Magna00 posted up the water 2 air kit im buying.

Works out if we use black hose and brass fittings rather then shiny ones and braided line under 800 bucks factor in another 150 if you want speedflow fittings and the braided line.

my bov is plumbed into the intercooler.... however if u can i think u should plumb it in after the maf..

my bov is plumbed into the intercooler.... however if u can i think u should plumb it in after the maf..

Yes, need one end between the maf and blower and the other end after the blower outlet.

Thats not to bad a price ay. Wat about your setup QMD? Guessing its costs more then that?

not sure how much mine cost.. it came with the rest of it all together..

with the bov.. I meant between the MAF and throttly body....

Here is link to Stacky on the dyno

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__32vED_rBU

sounds like a combination of mine and the sprintex kit...

:) some people will be very impressed.

Here is link to Stacky on the dyno

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__32vED_rBU


Cant wait that sound. :D

sounds like a combination of mine and the sprintex kit...

:) some people will be very impressed.

Gonna have to disagree there, The Sprintex blower absolutely screams at high revs, you can hear it a block away. Centrifugual blowers don't sound anything like it in my experience.

Not that this is a bad thing, no doubt some people find the noise from the Sprintex irritating when it's there 24/7. Always hard to tell from just a video, but I'm sure the Raptor setups sounds good in its own way.

Out of curiousity what rpm is peak power being made there? For comparison's sake, mine is at 6,000rpm. I'm guessing it would be the same or very similar with the raptor, as the limiting factor would be the cam profile (unless it's running a restrictive exhaust etc).

Gonna have to disagree there, The Sprintex blower absolutely screams at high revs, you can hear it a block away. Centrifugual blowers don't sound anything like it in my experience.

Not that this is a bad thing, no doubt some people find the noise from the Sprintex irritating when it's there 24/7. Always hard to tell from just a video, but I'm sure the Raptor setups sounds good in its own way.

Out of curiousity what rpm is peak power being made there? For comparison's sake, mine is at 6,000rpm. I'm guessing it would be the same or very similar with the raptor, as the limiting factor would be the cam profile (unless it's running a restrictive exhaust etc).

thats why i said a combination.. my blower has practically no whine at all... this has a little but not as much as the sprintex.. I was more talking about it just making a whine not that the whine sounded the same...

and yes, I don't really like the sound of the sprintex.. it sounds great but just not what I want for my car...

i love the sound of the sprintex, it really turns heads.

and before anyone else says it, ive never been pulled up driving it, which i find kind of wierd

i love the sound of the sprintex, it really turns heads.

and before anyone else says it, ive never been pulled up driving it, which i find kind of wierd
Same man, Gotta love that charger whine!! nothing sounds better then that ReeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE sound :D

']Same man, Gotta love that charger whine!! nothing sounds better then that ReeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE sound :D

are you running around playing fire trucks again? lol

are you running around playing fire trucks again? lol
Oh you know what i mean :P
its hard to make a supercharger sound in text

']Oh you know what i mean :P
its hard to make a supercharger sound in text

yeah it sounds awesome, it sounds even better going down gears now i have a manual

yeah it does sound great... just for my liking should live on a 1000hp monster...
for me the bark is worse than the bite so to speak...

If a holden or commodore pulled up next to me making a whine like the sprintex my car would be shaking and it would woop my ass lol

I prefer the subtle discrete way.. nice and quiet just sounds like a magna with an exhaust until you fly past and it because obvious theres something non-standard...

its just my personal opinion.. the whine is great it just screams im supercharged... i prefer the skyline to laugh and the feel a bit red in the faced when he gets owned by a magna..

ofcourse all of this happens on my private road....

Subtle and Discreet - two things I NEVER associate with a ralliart!!!!

']Subtle and Discreet - two things I NEVER associate with a ralliart!!!!

lol... maybe u got a point:bowrofl:

i dont need a whinning engine to turn heads

mad35l did u need to get a retune when u went to manual?? just curious if it changed anything....

no retune needed, didnt even need to change the ecu.

A dude in a VRX decided my old AU ute was a pushover tonight, AU looks 100%, sounds stock everything about it will not raise one eyelid. Nevertheless I am sure they had munched a few Fords in the past 12 months ........ they couldn't chew mine down tho :D :D The subtle punch :D

QMD I know you would be having a blast, Stacky will be too.

i kinda like commys and falcons i have something different, that way they give me everything they have, and still come in second.

its been on more than 1 occasion the other driver has been left with egg on his face by a magna