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Hi all, i have sourced a 4G63T and will be whacking it in. Firstly, i need abit of help gearbox wise? Is it in anyway possible to keep the standard auto gearbox i have for the time being? Auto is my practical at this current stage.
What will be the best ECU to use? Haltech or WOLF?
Will my battery have to be located to the boot?

Thanks guys.

if your doing it go manual or dont go at all.. would be ridiculous

2 - move the battery to the boot anywya, give you more room for piping etc

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Hi all, i have sourced a 4G63T and will be whacking it in. Firstly, i need abit of help gearbox wise? Is it in anyway possible to keep the standard auto gearbox i have for the time being? Auto is my practical at this current stage.
What will be the best ECU to use? Haltech or WOLF?
Will my battery have to be located to the boot?

Thanks guys.

Do a manual conversion....Youd be stupid to keep that crap auto gearbox soaking up all the power, slipping, grabbing, leaking fluid etc + your going to have to get that wired in man....thats no easy feat...
ECU's Not too sure of, Heres the one I'm using
www.adaptronic.com.au
Battery, no, plenty of room in the engine bay :D
isnt this motor a bit smaller? like 2L or something


Also, weather you or a shop will be doing it, expect the car to be off the road for 2 months MINIMUM....Mines almost 4 months now...

yeah, wiring everything in will not be a problem, it will all be done by WOG Performance in Dandenong.
Price will start at $600 for ripping out my current engine and dropping in the new one, than however long it takes to get up and running will depend on the final cost.

The missus drives my car a fair bit, so putting in a Manual G/Box at this current stage would be impractical, but i dont want to loose power. Is there anychance a VR4 auto g/box would fit??

yeah, wiring everything in will not be a problem, it will all be done by WOG Performance in Dandenong.
Price will start at $600 for ripping out my current engine and dropping in the new one, than however long it takes to get up and running will depend on the final cost.

The missus drives my car a fair bit, so putting in a Manual G/Box at this current stage would be impractical, but i dont want to loose power. Is there anychance a VR4 auto g/box would fit??

WOG performance, bet you they have never worked on a magna...
I'll tell ya now, wiring that in will be $1000+. Since you are having the Auto wired in thats another 40ish wires right there.

Now not too sure with this motor, but you *might* need new AC lines and/or power steering lines

Ill tell ya know that auto gearbox should be blown up with C4

']WOG performance, bet you they have never worked on a magna...
I'll tell ya now, wiring that in will be $1000+. Since you are having the Auto wired in thats another 40ish wires right there.

Now not too sure with this motor, but you *might* need new AC lines and/or power steering lines

Ill tell ya know that auto gearbox should be blown up with C4

Haha, i dont think many shops have worked on a 2nd gen Magna, yet alone interested in doing a conversion!!. And i know here the job will be done correctly, not just someone trying to get it on the road working ASAP, it will be done to perfection, therefor it will be putting out the figures i want.

Wiring in the 4G63 is pretty basic. You need to adapt the engine loom to suit the chassis.

There are 3 or 4 plugs on the engine loom. 1 of them connects to the chassis and gives the dash tacho, engine temp but it also gets 12v and gives it to the ECU.

There are only 10 wires to connect and I have done it before in the past fitting 4G63's to other cars.

Auto might be a problem, but I don't think that there is much to it either.

i think someone mentioned go manual.. thatd b an awesome idea

i think someone mentioned go manual.. thatd b an awesome idea

What gearbox would he use? Will a standard magna bolt up? or will it need a 2 wheel drive hacked galant one?

What gearbox would he use? Will a standard magna bolt up? or will it need a 2 wheel drive hacked galant one?

Im pretty sure i will need a VR4 gearbox, i dont think the standard magna one does.
Somebody correct me if im wrong??

Im pretty sure i will need a VR4 gearbox, i dont think the standard magna one does.
Somebody correct me if im wrong??

My understanding is thats what Sogg used in his 4g63 TN, this way he also got the Vr4 factory front LSD.

Although i remember reading somewhere else that the fwd converted trannys had a tendency to die in the ****. Might just be rumour.

a cordia turbo gearbox are tuff as nails, and will bolt straight up to a 6 bolt vr4 block

Massive news mate, if you can pull it off itll be unreal when its done...finish where i left off! haha

Im pretty sure i will need a VR4 gearbox, i dont think the standard magna one does.
Somebody correct me if im wrong??
A 5 speed manual gearbox from an HH VR-4 or GSR will do fine.
You can get them for very cheap these days. A few hundred dollars from yards.

Post up a bigger pic of the motor thats in your avatar man...assuming that its the one in question?

Man i hope u checked that that block was RHS Tranny or ur rooted cos i was doing a bit of a rumage about this sort of conversion outa interest and the 4g63 went either way as far as i could tell... like evo 6 up it coped the tranny on the LHS treatment. However the evo 4 had it on the right and the 4g93t from the GSR had it on the right also.

#Edit: Im no mechanic, please someone correct me if im wrong, this is merely information i collected in my studies :P#

Man i hope u checked that that block was RHS Tranny or ur rooted cos i was doing a bit of a rumage about this sort of conversion outa interest and the 4g63 went either way as far as i could tell... like evo 6 up it coped the tranny on the LHS treatment. However the evo 4 had it on the right and the 4g93t from the GSR had it on the right also.

#Edit: Im no mechanic, please someone correct me if im wrong, this is merely information i collected in my studies :P#
Judging by his DP, its the right one.

OMG MAN U SO COPIED ME WITH RED ROCKER COVERS GO BE UNIQUE AND GET THEM DONE LIKE PINK OR SOMETHING :D

HAHA!! The engine in my DP is not the one I have purchased. The one i purchased is out of a VR4, the one in my DP is out of an Evo.

Tuffy likes his adaptronic but his car doesnt run so he has no actual reason for using them:P

JOKES

I run Haltech E6X and I love it, comes with many options including an electronic

if you give a company called OvaBoost in WA a call and speak to Mick, he will answer ANY questions you have about this conversion :)

Tuffy likes his adaptronic but his car doesnt run so he has no actual reason for using them:P

JOKES

I run Haltech E6X and I love it, comes with many options including an electronic

if you give a company called OvaBoost in WA a call and speak to Mick, he will answer ANY questions you have about this conversion :)
Reason i use it is because it has all the features of an E8 but with a pricetag lower then the E6X ;)
Best of both worlds I think!

after some help from 86_Elite, i will be going the Evo 7 Auto Gearbox.

after some help from 86_Elite, i will be going the Evo 7 Auto Gearbox.
Why dont you buy your GF a Cheap $500 auto banger to drive while you enjoy the power and fun of a manual. :P

haha, she already has a TR, with diamante front which i payed for. shes just annoying. thinks hers has no "power". I need to keep her in the good books paulie so i can reap the rewards in the bedroom!!

lol we will see when you get your car running in 2012 :) but yeah makes sence, I just found haltech have been awesome to deal through, customer assistance has been best in a long time

haha, she already has a TR, with diamante front which i payed for. shes just annoying. thinks hers has no "power". I need to keep her in the good books paulie so i can reap the rewards in the bedroom!!

that is like totally under the thumb, you my friend have the worst case of puSs*y whipped I have seen.

But you will be forigiven when you have a G63T in your 2G :)

I have to agree with 86_elite here...*cracks the whip*

why would you put a doomsday engine into a car only to keep in manual...thats like buying a tank and loading it with blanks :bowrofl:

why not?
The evo gearbox is 5 speed? What would i loose, maybe like 10kw? i drive in peak hour traffic monday-friday, whats the point of having a manual in such conditions? A 5 speed auto g/box will be nearly as good and alot more convinient.
Im doing the conversion for my own enjoyment, not to race at every traffic lights against every commdore, falcon, wrx i come across.
Hell yeah i'll give it abit when i see Mario in the front seat with Maria in the canary yellow VL with 19inch calais rims on the front and 15" stockies on the back. If i was going to race on many occaisons i will def be going the Manual g/box.

but at the end of the day, talk **** when you actually undergo such a conversion.

Eh fair enough....whats a GB like that cost these days?

why not?
The evo gearbox is 5 speed? What would i loose, maybe like 10kw? i drive in peak hour traffic monday-friday, whats the point of having a manual in such conditions? A 5 speed auto g/box will be nearly as good and alot more convinient.
Im doing the conversion for my own enjoyment, not to race at every traffic lights against every commdore, falcon, wrx i come across.
Hell yeah i'll give it abit when i see Mario in the front seat with Maria in the canary yellow VL with 19inch calais rims on the front and 15" stockies on the back. If i was going to race on many occaisons i will def be going the Manual g/box.

but at the end of the day, talk **** when you actually undergo such a conversion.
If you drive in peak hour traffic monday-friday, what's the point of putting a 4G63T into your car then?

If you drive in peak hour traffic monday-friday, what's the point of putting a 4G63T into your car then?+1.... autos are just all round fail.

why not? if you can afford it! why not do it?

Because autos just suck?

An auto Evo gearbox is alot different compared to a Auto Magna gearbox? Test drive an Evo 7 with an auto gearbox than tell me how **** it is!!

I'm going to put it out there that a 4G63T auto in a TR/TS will probably be as fast as a manual 4G54 in a TR/TS (judging by redbook's data on each engine with respect to car's weight etc). There is a substantial gain to be had with auto/manual conversions especially in a 4 cylinder application, just not enough torque to get that slushbox moving, especially with the weight of that whale TR/TS.

Auto or Manual, i still believe the 4G63T will make a significant power increase. If I put a Manual gearbox in my current 4G54 with 230xxxkms, personally i think it will be a waste of money, an engine with that amount of k's will soon start to be having its problems, although Josh did look after that Car extreamly well, so it may or may not be an issue.

Anyway, after tossing up between a DOHC conversion/4G54 Turbo/4G63T Conversion, i've decided to go option C. I think it will be something different and in the end will reap it rewards if it works out.

Auto or Manual, i still believe the 4G63T will make a significant power increase. If I put a Manual gearbox in my current 4G54 with 230xxxkms, personally i think it will be a waste of money, an engine with that amount of k's will soon start to be having its problems, although Josh did look after that Car extreamly well, so it may or may not be an issue.

Anyway, after tossing up between a DOHC conversion/4G54 Turbo/4G63T Conversion, i've decided to go option C. I think it will be something different and in the end will reap it rewards if it works out.

I did bring up a thread which was over 3 years old but the guy went from a 4 banger to a v6 DOHC, all he needed to do was fabricate up one engine mount.
theres a few routes you can go. If you could of found a manual box for the 4 banger, and got it in cheap, would of been fun to do so, but that would of made it as fast as an auto V6...so sort of a waste...

So in the end if it doesnt work out....V6 DOHC Would be tons of fun, and a straight forward option...

An auto Evo gearbox is alot different compared to a Auto Magna gearbox? Test drive an Evo 7 with an auto gearbox than tell me how **** it is!!So!? I've driven an Audi A6 3.2FSI Quattro with a 6 speed auto (07 model) and still hated the fact it was an auto, despite the perfect upshifts, rev matching on downshifts and paddle shift option...

Ah Paul, I can get a 3.0L DOHC, with 55xxxkms for $600? You think this would be a better option seeing i can add extractors etc and having it wired in and running for just under $1500?? Would this work out better performance wise, i havnt done much research on that engine so im not too sure!!

I will be able tp sell the 4G63T for the same price i purchased it so that wont be a drama! Just tossing up between the 2 now.

Basically, putting in the 4G63T my car will be off the road for 2-3months.
The DOCH wont be nearly aslong!
Both have there ups and downs.

I will be able tp sell the 4G63T for the same price i purchased it so that wont be a drama! Just tossing up between the 2 now.

Basically, putting in the 4G63T my car will be off the road for 2-3months.
The DOCH wont be nearly aslong!
Both have there ups and downs.

Why is the 4G63t going to take so long? What are the major modifications needed?

Ah Paul, I can get a 3.0L DOHC, with 55xxxkms for $600? You think this would be a better option seeing i can add extractors etc and having it wired in and running for just under $1500?? Would this work out better performance wise, i havnt done much research on that engine so im not too sure!!

I will be able tp sell the 4G63T for the same price i purchased it so that wont be a drama! Just tossing up between the 2 now.

Basically, putting in the 4G63T my car will be off the road for 2-3months.
The DOCH wont be nearly aslong!
Both have there ups and downs.
hahahah $1500 sorry mate but your dreaming :P Any conversion like this weather your 4 pot transplant or a V6 transplant you'll be looking at close to $5000 whichever way you do it, wiring in ECU's is a costly job..

']hahahah $1500 sorry mate but your dreaming :P Any conversion like this weather your 4 pot transplant or a V6 transplant you'll be looking at close to $5000 whichever way you do it, wiring in ECU's is a costly job..

Lol, he might be a tuner or something?

Lol, he might be a tuner or something?
Liam is not a tuner

Lol, I do agree though, getting the whole project done for $1500 seems a bit far fetched.

Have a search around for kill billys old thread, it has the cost of everything listed.

Lol, I do agree though, getting the whole project done for $1500 seems a bit far fetched.

Have a search around for kill billys old thread, it has the cost of everything listed.


then there was dimi108 conversion....

']Liam is not a tuner

Haha, Please! I could have had your DOHC wired in and running within a week!!!:badgrin: :badgrin:

Nah, Pauls right, im far from a Tuner. Im only new into cars!! But by getting mates who are 1st/2nd year auto elecs/mechanics, i rekon i can get it alot cheaper as I wont have to pay them!!

Haha, Please! I could have had your DOHC wired in and running within a week!!!:badgrin: :badgrin:

Nah, Pauls right, im far from a Tuner. Im only new into cars!! But by getting mates who are 1st/2nd year auto elecs/mechanics, i rekon i can get it alot cheaper as I wont have to pay them!!

Think again mate! You'll pay for their ****ups! :D JK

I agree, there is a reason aprentiships arn't 1/2year cources.

Haha, Please! I could have had your DOHC wired in and running within a week!!!:badgrin: :badgrin:

Nah, Pauls right, im far from a Tuner. Im only new into cars!! But by getting mates who are 1st/2nd year auto elecs/mechanics, i rekon i can get it alot cheaper as I wont have to pay them!!

I had a member off here help me with my engine and transmission conversion which saved me alot of money, and I thank him so much for helping me do it, but other things get you anyway.
just remember you have to give it a good service
So going by what I put in mine:
Timing belt kit $120
Water pump $45
Spark plugs $120
2nd set of spark plugs and ignition leads (Ebay special :P) $150
Rocker cover and spark plug gaskets - $80ish
Oil for engine (Got 2 bottles) $60 5w-30
Oil for gearbox $40
Oil filter $10
gasket goo's $30
= over $500 in servicing items

So although getting all the help you can from mates is *** awesome, you will still need to spend money servicing it (duh) so just dont factor out that price.
Also you'll need to upgrade brakes minimum to twin pots with good pads and or slotted's
Single pistons don't cut it even with a standard motor.
When mines on the road it's getting fitted for brembos but shh:badgrin:

Also with your mate whos an auto elec, going from my experience so far, they wont be teaching you how to wire in ECU's to an aftermarket engine anytime soon so just make sure he knows whats he is doing.

']hahahah $1500 sorry mate but your dreaming :P Any conversion like this weather your 4 pot transplant or a V6 transplant you'll be looking at close to $5000 whichever way you do it, wiring in ECU's is a costly job..

So the 1500 is factoring in the removal/installation of the motor, wiring, any custom items that need to be made etc? do all the mounts even line up with the 4g63? also the Evo7 GTA box (the slushbox) is still an awd box, how are you going to overcome this issue? also you running factory ECU or aftermarket?

Liam i dont think you have thought this through really well.

the 1500 was for the 3.0L DOHC, which i thought was a straight bolt in. but have no found out it isnt as easy as first thought.
4G63 i was expecting to spend anywhere up to $8000-10,000.

I wouldnt be coming on here posting if I hadn't thoght it through, not only would it be a waste of my time, it would be a waste of everybody elses.

the 1500 was for the 3.0L DOHC, which i thought was a straight bolt in. but have no found out it isnt as easy as first thought.
4G63 i was expecting to spend anywhere up to $8000-10,000.

I wouldnt be coming on here posting if I hadn't thoght it through, not only would it be a waste of my time, it would be a waste of everybody elses.

As previoulsy discussed (and you would know) the 3L DOHC is a straight foward conversion. but for 4 > 6 will need the pass side engine mount made up (not a big task) besides that need power steering hose made up and air con lines made up, oh and a V6 gearbox.
If you used a stock ECU and stock exhaust manifolds, probably a tad over $3000, maybe close to $4000 once u find a good manual GB

but that is interesting, if your using an AWD box how do u plan to run it FWD?

i am fairly sure that theres a gearbox that will bolt up to this engine thats FWD
i was looking into this conversion acouple of years ago as i was going do it to my last car
now i can't remember what box it was but i'll have alook around and see if i can find it

LIAM, Did you ever think for the $10K you plan on spending on it, to just turbo the asstron you have now? considering your car is already auto, all you would need is a turbo, manifold, some new pistons, oil and coolant lines, ecu, and probably get the head done... would be alot cheaper then this

turbo asstrons have great torque

i am fairly sure that theres a gearbox that will bolt up to this engine thats FWD
i was looking into this conversion acouple of years ago as i was going do it to my last car
now i can't remember what box it was but i'll have alook around and see if i can find it
It'll be out of an early 90's Galant GSR IIRC... they had 4G63 NA engines and came in Auto I believe.

i am fairly sure that theres a gearbox that will bolt up to this engine thats FWD
i was looking into this conversion acouple of years ago as i was going do it to my last car
now i can't remember what box it was but i'll have alook around and see if i can find it

It was said earlier on that apparently a FWD cordia turbo gearbox will.

after speaking to OvaBoost in WA who have done 86_Elites Turbo work, there is an Evo 7 Gearbox or something similar that will bolt up. Im taking there word for it as they have alot more knowladge than myself.

after speaking to OvaBoost in WA who have done 86_Elites Turbo work, there is an Evo 7 Gearbox or something similar that will bolt up. Im taking there word for it as they have alot more knowladge than myself.
Christ. How much is an Evo VII box going to set you back?

It'll be out of an early 90's Galant GSR IIRC... they had 4G63 NA engines and came in Auto I believe.

thats the one, had a feeling it was the GSR gearbox
also read that the eclipse one should bolt up too

is the motor in the display pic the one you bought?? looks to be out of an evo3 or there abouts..

if so its the wrong way round to work with an evo7 gearbox... evo 3 and evo 7 engines sit opposite ways in the engine bay...

evo7 gta auto box is just an invecs2, as found in a magna..

is the motor in the display pic the one you bought?? looks to be out of an evo3 or there abouts..

if so its the wrong way round to work with an evo7 gearbox... evo 3 and evo 7 engines sit opposite ways in the engine bay...

evo7 gta auto box is just an invecs2, as found in a magna..
Was just going to mention that, two different orientations for those motors.

']LIAM, Did you ever think for the $10K you plan on spending on it, to just turbo the asstron you have now? considering your car is already auto, all you would need is a turbo, manifold, some new pistons, oil and coolant lines, ecu, and probably get the head done... would be alot cheaper then this

turbo asstrons have great torque

AMEN! that's what im gonna do (once the funds float my way, and i got time again of uni to take my car of the road) Not to mention might i ad, that turboing the asstron engine will take weeks, not months... so only benefits there :)

Though u go ur way... I'll go my way... and come next yr, we'll dyno em both and see what was the more effective mod (given into account ur engine does have more k's then mine and that i get ur reasons for doing this etc.) I would like to see, this comparo :P

AMEN! that's what im gonna do (once the funds float my way, and i got time again of uni to take my car of the road) Not to mention might i ad, that turboing the asstron engine will take weeks, not months... so only benefits there :)

Though u go ur way... I'll go my way... and come next yr, we'll dyno em both and see what was the more effective mod (given into account ur engine does have more k's then mine and that i get ur reasons for doing this etc.) I would like to see, this comparo :P
My engine? (50K's on it if you were talking to me)