which of the magnas are cheapest to turbocharge or do an engine conversion for a vr4 or something similar

im about to buy a second magna and would like to turbo it a little bit down the track and i dont want to buy a 3.5ltr to find out it its easier and cheaper to turbocharge the 3.0ltr or 4 cyl or i can slot a vr4 into a second gen without to much hassle

ive done a bit of a search but i dont have the internet at home at the moment so i am at work so i cant stay on here for long periods of time trying to find the post that answers my question

this may be a bit of a hard question because obviously itd be cheapest to slap a turbo on the side and wait for it to blow up, but i would like a reliable car aswell

any info would be greatly appreciated

which of the magnas are cheapest to turbocharge or do an engine conversion for a vr4 or something similar

im about to buy a second magna and would like to turbo it a little bit down the track and i dont want to buy a 3.5ltr to find out it its easier and cheaper to turbocharge the 3.0ltr or 4 cyl or i can slot a vr4 into a second gen without to much hassle

ive done a bit of a search but i dont have the internet at home at the moment so i am at work so i cant stay on here for long periods of time trying to find the post that answers my question

this may be a bit of a hard question because obviously itd be cheapest to slap a turbo on the side and wait for it to blow up, but i would like a reliable car aswell

any info would be greatly appreciated

Hmmm interesting question... Well u see, in a 2nd gen, aka TR TS, 4cyl for example, u could either turbo the astron which can take it well. Or plonk a VR4/GSR lancer engine in there, though they are AWD so transmisson will cost u.

In the 2nd gen V6 however, u could go the ATMO DOHC from the 3000gt or turbo the exsisting SOHC.
Any of these so far ur looking at the 8-10k mark.

BUT from their, the purchase price of the car goes up especially if ur looking at 3.5's. Though on the market for engines is the 96- Galant/Legnum, TT2.5ltr 6cyl which again is AWD but a wicked engine all the same.
U could in that sense buy a FWD or AWD TJ and plonk that in there, though FWD would be a little more tricky cos it has only one drivetrain and an FWD gearbox.

Or alternatively u could do what HAMISH2 did and Turbo a 4cyl TE Magna. Or Turbo a TE-TF 3ltr V6 magna. Or turbo a TH-TW 3.5ltr V6. Howere if u get a verada all are 3.5's

So depending on how u spend purchasing the vehicle will also depend on ur turboing options. Obviously a TR/TS 4cyl is the cheapest, but only because it is the cheapest to buy.
All turboing options will be upward of 8k.

Why don't you just buy a turbo car?

the reason being is i dont want to get a loan for a car, ive got about $5000 to spend on a car at the moment, and would like to do mods over time as im not the sort of person to borrow money unless theres no other option, i hate debt!!! :)

unless you know of a half decent turbo car that i can get for around $5000

the reason being is i dont want to get a loan for a car, ive got about $5000 to spend on a car at the moment, and would like to do mods over time as im not the sort of person to borrow money unless theres no other option, i hate debt!!! :)

unless you know of a half decent turbo car that i can get for around $5000
Ah ok. $5k is pretty thin for any turbo car in reasonable condition. I just know that to do the car properly, even over time, you're going to be spending a lot of money. Block out, bored and honed, pistons, rods, head studs, cams, valve springs, intercooler, piping, wastegate, turbo, injectors, fuel rail, LSD, brakes, suspension - big list. You're looking at well over $10k with all that gear without any labour. Take the $5k you spent on the car to start with, now you have $15k at least for another car which will actually get you the Galant/Legnum you want.

Just my opinion. Maybe save up some more if you don't want to get a loan.

yeah ill keep that in mind, i understand where your coming from :)

Is that $5000 including the purchase cost of the car? or $5000 just for modding?

Save an extra 700 and buy this from Raptor Superchargers

ProStreet kit $5700.00

This is a complete kit with injectors, ECU, pipework etc etc, this is the complete deal ready to bolt on and comes with preloaded tune for to suit the 3.5 liter, we expect to have tunes for the 3.0 soon. You will need a smaller battery.

Save an extra 700 and buy this from Raptor Superchargers

ProStreet kit $5700.00

This is a complete kit with injectors, ECU, pipework etc etc, this is the complete deal ready to bolt on and comes with preloaded tune for to suit the 3.5 liter, we expect to have tunes for the 3.0 soon. You will need a smaller battery.

Add on top of that installation if your not overly handy with a spanner, as well as ECU installation and tuning, which most shops will charge around 2k for that (dynotime is expensive)

Also if you want to go Turbo, 5k wont even get close, it will get you 95% of the hardware needed, but alot of small things need to be fabricated and sad to say arent cheap at all.

5k however will net a decent gain in the NA department, Manual (if you havent already got one) conversion, cams, piggyback and inlet manifold will need tidy gains for that sort of cash.

Add on top of that installation if your not overly handy with a spanner, as well as ECU installation and tuning, which most shops will charge around 2k for that (dynotime is expensive)

Also if you want to go Turbo, 5k wont even get close, it will get you 95% of the hardware needed, but alot of small things need to be fabricated and sad to say arent cheap at all.

5k however will net a decent gain in the NA department, Manual (if you havent already got one) conversion, cams, piggyback and inlet manifold will need tidy gains for that sort of cash.
You're not wrong. A brand new GT35R turbo for arguments sake, coming out of America or Japan will cost you closer to $3k, plus shipping.

Possible breakdown (off the top of my head and also what certain parts would have cost me at retail when I bought them for my car)

Turbo = $3000
Intercooler = $1000
Manifold = $1000
Injectors = $700
Cams = $1500
Valve springs = $300
Head Studs = $600
Pistons = $1500
Rods = $1500
ECU + tune = $2000 (minimum)
LSD = $2000
Brakes = $1500
Suspension = $1500 (minimum)
Timing belt = $300
Assorted bits (gaskets, oils, lube etc) = $500

Total = $18, 400. (complete guess)

That doesn't take into account any labour, or the removing of the block for boring for the pistons, or any of the custom intercooler piping work needed. Now of course you could get all the bits a lot cheaper (I know I did) or you could get them second hand, in which case you are chancing fate a bit. And you could do most of the work yourself if you were so inclined. I just banged that list up as a reminder to how expensive it can be to turbo charge a car that isn't already turbo'd. I mean you could probably get away with no forged internals, and the stock injectors might be ok to deal with the fuel delivery - but IMO that's leaving a lot up to chance, and it's not really doing the job properly. It's not just a matter of buying a turbo and "whacking it on"

With the turbo itself, friend had his turbo off a S4 RX7 sent to America, $1200AUD with all postage.

Turbo was rebuilt, hi-flowed, new roller bearings, internal wastegate opened up from 20mm to 38mm......

There are cheaper ways of doing things - you just have to know people.....

As for the $2000 tune's, this is one reason why taking Disciples advice is good - buy an already turbo car, seriously, for $2000 I could have a new Haltech, including installation and tuning, for some reasons magna's seem pricey for tunes :)

3k for a GT35R? you got ripped sir, 1800, from Sonic performance brand new. But yeah if you are doing it properly 20k is a resonable budget to set espically if your doing internals. I tend to find that with most things over estimating by 10% works well, gives you a buffer if anything goes south

If you want a cheap turbo for $5000 buy a gutted out VL and turbo it.

For a Magna, as said, the costs will be hefty. I know Black Beard spent over $10k easily (from what i remember reading) for his twin turbo build. Booya surely would have had similar amounts spent. I know theres the TE/TF Turbo (Hamish2), but I dont know how advanced that job is, whether or not its bare basics.

Many people are going for the Sprintex/Raptor kits simply because their much easier to obtain and the information is much easier to obtain now. As much as you want to turbo a Magna, for $5000 your options are a pretty average VL, an rough as guts Nissan Exa, maybe a thrashed S13. Save up $10k and then your talking, but even then you might have to push the $10k for a turbo build. It may not be ideal, but you might want to seriously consider the supercharger build.

Speak to Wookie, Mohit, QMD///801 (Rotex kit), Chisholm (whose done extensive work on his entire machine) and Micjaiy. Thats to get started.

Typcial VL onwer response :P "buy a VL" *jokes dude*

']Typcial VL onwer response :P "buy a VL" *jokes dude*

Haha but im serious. If i had $2.5k-$3k I could have my VL running a turbo in the next week. It wouldn't be awesome, but it would still be a turbo. Hence the popularity of the VL, cheap to work on, cheap to repair/replace parts, and mass amounts of knowledge in workshops.

Half the costs on the Magna are custom parts/labour as said earlier, very few shops would have good knowledge on turbo'ing/supercharging Magnas.

thanks for all your input, i think i might just have to stay away from the turbo route and just buy a nice cruiser for now

Hell a cheaper option would be to buy a Mitsi Starion GSR, the widebody from Japan (there's a few here)

Get a VR4 front cut (206kw) and swap in the internals/turbo/twin cams into the 4G63 block thats already in the starion.......

Suspension/Brakes are around $2000 upgrade

VR4 front cut is about $1800-$2200

so for 15K you have a what, 1200kg car with 230odd kw - which, will perform a fair bit better and possibly last longer than a turbo magna for 25K......

Anywho.....

3k for a GT35R? you got ripped sir, 1800, from Sonic performance brand new. But yeah if you are doing it properly 20k is a resonable budget to set espically if your doing internals. I tend to find that with most things over estimating by 10% works well, gives you a buffer if anything goes south
$3k is probably excessive for a GT35R, and if you notice I did say I was quoting full retail for an imported turbo (also will depend on what exhaust housing you go for) For instance, I got a complete Greddy/Trust TD06 20G kit for my car (turbo, manifold, intercooler piping, external wastegate, dump pipe) for $3k.

You are dead right on the buffer tho - there are a couple golden rules when modifying cars.

1) Something will always go wrong.
2) It will always cost more than you first thought or were first quoted.


For a Magna, as said, the costs will be hefty. I know Black Beard spent over $10k easily (from what i remember reading) for his twin turbo build.)

I won't say how much Mike spent on his total build because I don't know if he'd want me to, but I will just say it was a lot more than that.

Budget excessively.

Then add 30%.....

One of these would be a good place to start for turboing a car:
Here (http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/TOYOTA/COROLLA/details.aspx?R=6490527&keywords=Turbo&PriceMax=5000&__Ntk=CarAll&State=Queensland&__Nne=20&__Dx=mode%20matchany&__D=Turbo&silo=1003&seot=0&__sid=11C461CB6DD0&state_id=79&__N=79%20442%201216%20834%20285%20257&__Ns=pCar_PrivateSpecialFlag_Int32|1||pCar_ImageCo unt_Int32|1||pCar_LastModifiedDate_DateTime|1&__Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&distance=25&Cr=11&__Ntt=Turbo&trecs=56)

Goes pretty well as is, in good nick and I'm pretty sure they're reasonably cheap to turbo :P

Magnas aren't ideal turbo oriented cars.

One of these would be a good place to start for turboing a car:
Here (http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/TOYOTA/COROLLA/details.aspx?R=6490527&keywords=Turbo&PriceMax=5000&__Ntk=CarAll&State=Queensland&__Nne=20&__Dx=mode%20matchany&__D=Turbo&silo=1003&seot=0&__sid=11C461CB6DD0&state_id=79&__N=79%20442%201216%20834%20285%20257&__Ns=pCar_PrivateSpecialFlag_Int32|1||pCar_ImageCo unt_Int32|1||pCar_LastModifiedDate_DateTime|1&__Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&distance=25&Cr=11&__Ntt=Turbo&trecs=56)

Goes pretty well as is, in good nick and I'm pretty sure they're reasonably cheap to turbo :P

Magnas aren't ideal turbo oriented cars.
Woah - $5,000 for a 20 year old Corolla. :nuts:

Woah - $5,000 for a 20 year old Corolla. :nuts:
Its an example, no one said pay $5k for it, nor did I say buy that one, I said something like that. They're a good base and cheap to work with. Remember also some cars hold their value better than others, I got near $3k for a 22year old 1986 AE82 1.6L 3sp Auto Corolla CS at the start of the year.

4AGTE into one of those corollas ;)

Its an example, no one said pay $5k for it, nor did I say buy that one, I said something like that. They're a good base and cheap to work with. Remember also some cars hold their value better than others, I got near $3k for a 22year old 1986 AE82 1.6L 3sp Auto Corolla CS at the start of the year.
No I know what you meant, I just can't believe a 20 year old Corolla would still be going for that much money - I mean, you can probably haggle a KH Verada for that kinda money...

I won't say how much Mike spent on his total build because I don't know if he'd want me to, but I will just say it was a lot more than that.

Oh yea I know that, i just didnt want to say something like $15k and be way off the mark.

Oh yea I know that, i just didnt want to say something like $15k and be way off the mark.
$15k is getting closer. :shock:

$15k is getting closer. :shock:

Yeah its halfway to an EVO 8 :P

Yeah its halfway to an EVO 8 :P
Indeed. If that's your kinda thing. :P

meh........ Turbo magna wayyyy overatted... supercharged on the other way lol if ur on a tight budget DO NOT think any further about doing any type of Forced induction to your magna....
I'm sorry I don't want to put you off.. because boosted magna's are sweet but its not something u should do if your on a tight budget like it sounds like you are..

I've been there done it.. been one of the few that paid exactly what I was quoted for the kit. but you have to remember after u get it installed, if you have a standard magna u need brakes, suspension... (those should come before) manual if its not already.. and after a little while a LSD when u break the standard diff.. and not to mention tyres and fuel..

pretty much the same as everyone else has said.. please don't let me read about you boosting your car on a budget and having everything go south..

if your prepared to spend a little bit more the raptor kit is def the best bang for buck...

but if your chasing power then you should consider something similar to mine aswell.. or the more expensive of the raptor kits.. because nothings cheaper than a reliable build.
look at TZABOY's and WOOKIE's recent rebuild thread....
and extra couple of thousand inthe build goes a long way to keeping the costs down if something does go BANG!

$15k is getting closer. :shock:

Close, but less than.

tur-blow it....get a little turb, and chuck a charger on it too.

lol anyway...yeah i duno i would bother with the magna...

and forget about buying a project car..

get a car that is already turboed, upgrade it a bit...

+1 for an older lancer GSR.

Close, but less than.
That's without any internal work tho isn't it Mike? Still stock internals? Stock cams? No headstuds or valve springs?

Blown FWD's are awesome for traction and have amazing get-up-and-go from the lights because of the shift of weight to the rear when taking off.... I would highly recommend blowing one of these cars as it will definitely be money well spent....

I know our system is about the best value there is and if members of the club help members the costs will be insanely low, pretuned ECU's when possible will cut the cost of tuning massively, where else do you get something like that for Magna's??

At $5k you are just so close, with a little "home" work you could clean the rest of the little bits to be done for peanuts.

You're not wrong. A brand new GT35R turbo for arguments sake, coming out of America or Japan will cost you closer to $3k, plus shipping.


I'm pretty sure I've seen GT35R, with both .86 and 1.06 rears, for around the $2200 mark.

Why not buy them here?

I'm pretty sure I've seen GT35R, with both .86 and 1.06 rears, for around the $2200 mark.

Why not buy them here?
I'm sure you can. I was simply using it as an example and was pulling numbers out of my ass, which you would of realised had you read my reply. :bash:

i did a vr4 conversion in a tm magna it wasnt that easy or cheap to do. and i still have bugs im sorting out.

Don't waste your time trying to turbo a Magna. Save some more cash up and buy a performance car.
You can import some very nice cars for under $7000 these days. It pays to research and check out sites.

Don't waste your time trying to turbo a Magna. Save some more cash up and buy a performance car.
You can import some very nice cars for under $7000 these days. It pays to research and check out sites.
Mmmmmm I think an S13 Silvia K's would be perfect.

mabee even look at an RS liberty

Blown FWD's are awesome for traction and have amazing get-up-and-go from the lights because of the shift of weight to the rear when taking off.... I would highly recommend blowing one of these cars as it will definitely be money well spent....

then why is it that soo many are puttin down faster 1/4 mile times than rwd and awd making more engine kw???

maybe u just dont know how to drive and apply the throttle

Blown FWD's are awesome for traction and have amazing get-up-and-go from the lights because of the shift of weight to the rear when taking off.... I would highly recommend blowing one of these cars as it will definitely be money well spent....

i think you have it a little backwards...

weight shift off the drive wheels reduces traction.

If all the weight it going to the back, there is less left over the front wheels mean less force applying them to the road. Magnas are around 60-70percent front heavy, which is a benefit if you are going to up the power. But more would be better. You look at all the fast front wheel drive cars, run massively stiff rear springs and always raise the ride height of the rear as much as possible. This greatly reduced weight shift to the rear making use of the weight over the front wheels. Rear wheel drive cars still have massive rear ride height, but use very soft spings and struts to promote weight shift to the rear, to get as much weight as possible over the drive wheels.

i think you have it a little backwards...

weight shift off the drive wheels reduces traction.

If all the weight it going to the back, there is less left over the front wheels mean less force applying them to the road. Magnas are around 60-70percent front heavy, which is a benefit if you are going to up the power. But more would be better. You look at all the fast front wheel drive cars, run massively stiff rear springs and always raise the ride height of the rear as much as possible. This greatly reduced weight shift to the rear making use of the weight over the front wheels. Rear wheel drive cars still have massive rear ride height, but use very soft spings and struts to promote weight shift to the rear, to get as much weight as possible over the drive wheels.

He was being sarcastic

:bowrofl:

He was being sarcastic
:bowrofl:

Hell a cheaper option would be to buy a Mitsi Starion GSR, the widebody from Japan (there's a few here)

Get a VR4 front cut (206kw) and swap in the internals/turbo/twin cams into the 4G63 block thats already in the starion.......

Suspension/Brakes are around $2000 upgrade

VR4 front cut is about $1800-$2200

so for 15K you have a what, 1200kg car with 230odd kw - which, will perform a fair bit better and possibly last longer than a turbo magna for 25K......

Anywho.....

I hope to god he dosn't follow your advice.

The widebody from Japan was the GSR-VR and it came with the 2.6 4g54. It was also sold in USA as the Conquest. The narrowbodies in Japan and here in Aus came with the SOHC RWD 4g63

And swapping the FWD 4g63 internals, twin cam head and turbo into a RWD SOHC 4g63....... all i can say is :bowrofl:

If you were entartaining this idea at all something that would be slightly less insane would be to drop the whole VR4 4g63 into a Starion (converted to RWD of course). It can be done and i have seen it in the flesh.

He was being sarcastic

i was ****ing owned haha

i was ****ing owned haha

Correct.

Lol awesome... :bowrofl:

AMC never lets me down......

the reason being is i dont want to get a loan for a car, ive got about $5000 to spend on a car at the moment, and would like to do mods over time as im not the sort of person to borrow money unless theres no other option, i hate debt!!! :)

unless you know of a half decent turbo car that i can get for around $5000


ive seen a r31 for 4k at dayboro try trading post

i wasn't going to post.. but i feel somthing needs to be said..

if you want to have everything brand new for the sake of everything being brand new, thats no problem, but there is an alternative..

ppl don't seem to have any problems buying second hand engines, S/C kits, etc etc..

but when you mention a used turbo...all i hear is 'WAOOHHHAAA get that right away from me'..

lets just say if you can get your hands dirty, and do some legwork.. 5K would easily.... EASILY have twin TD04L's (the subaru version) hanging off a 3rd Gen V6 magna, tuned running 8psi all day maybe a bit more cos you will be able to intercool it.. 7-8 psi seems to be the max for the S/C boys on stock internals mostly due to the lack of cooling i belive, with the appropriate tune that would be very safe..

why did i say Subaru TD04L's? cos about half a dozen inthe past year have changed through my hands, also the internally different TF035 (gt forester turbo) which seems to be a bit more responsive.. straight off an EJ20t wrx or forester with even over 100 000km's, pop the front housing off.. inspect the wheel.. check play.. blast the front housing.. seals/bearing are cheap as chups for these - and the most you will pay for one is about $150.00


now i'm just going to sit back and wait for the -

'ohhhh you can't put used turbo's on a magna!!!!'

i can tell you there is nothing wrong with it, as long as it's been checked and cleared.. those subaru turbo's sit so far away from the enigne.. and there steel wheel'd.. there small, compact, cheap as anything, come on boost at the drop of a hat.. the used ones i've put onto GT starlets and the like run up to 16psi no problems, and make a wee bit over 220fwhp.. not bad for a 1.3L.. using a second hand turbo..

Q - what if it's all together and the seals are gone in the turbo and it blows smoke?

A - take it off, and put an overhaul kit through it, i've seen them on ebay for $90.. OR if you don't have the tools for that, throw it in the bin, or sell it for $50, and buy another $150.00 and fit that.

they are also the same turbos which the mitsubishi 3000GT's use on there 3L engine
(I'm pretty sure of that)

ive got 2 gt25 garretts sitting in my shed gathering dust, ive also sold a td05h to a member here who seems very happy

']they are also the same turbos which the mitsubishi 3000GT's use on there 3L engine
(I'm pretty sure of that)

there pretty much completely different from the subaru versions.. different intake, flanges, tubine wheels, etc etc..

there pretty much completely different from the subaru versions.. different intake, flanges, tubine wheels, etc etc..
Yep Yep...
Thinking about getting two TD04's for the 3.5L
What ya reckon?

']Yep Yep...
Thinking about getting two TD04's for the 3.5L
What ya reckon?
man, seriously, if you can get a manifold made up (or someone who makes the manifolds) go for it! Wouldnt a 3000gt manifold fit?

man, seriously, if you can get a manifold made up (or someone who makes the manifolds) go for it! Wouldnt a 3000gt manifold fit?
I have already purchased some turbo gear....Just thinking about these
Basically yeah...for about $500 I'll be going TT...just sorting stuff out now.
yeah manifold will just get the cast stock one from the US, cheap as chipppssss
(stay tuned)











(stay tuned for a while:bowrofl: )

EDIT - yes tufftr can simply bolt the manifolds on, as the DOHC heads use an oval exhaust port (the stud pattern is the same), the SOHC ones that we get here have round ports...

but having said that a decent manifold with a bit of a nice collector, and some flange plates isn't expensive.. cos there not that hard to make.. unless your after the worlds best most insane turbo setup, just some neat steam pipe manifolds will be more than adiquate for flow.. most fab shops wouldn't charge more than 4-500 for a nice little collector style manifold, so say 1K max for manifold (i am 100% sure you will get it cheaper, but thats a safe bet)



as long as you fella's realise that a twin setup is a little more complicated then an ordinary setup.. so you obviously need a pair of everything..

oil feed lines (there's $250 at least of braided line and fittings)
oil return lines
the route for the inside of the cooler would be a little mor complex as two pipes will be spliced into one for the cooler,
two dump pipes
two water lines and return lines (not really a big deal here some 3/8 aeroquipe hose looks like a nice touch :)

and some sort of air intake.. either both spliced into one, like a reverse merge collector or just two filters..

also you would need to run a decent blow off valve (or even two) as there, two TD04L's would be flowing some decent CFM...

as long as you fella's realise that a twin setup is a little more complicated then an ordinary setup.. so you obviously need a pair of everything..

oil feed lines (there's $250 at least of braided line and fittings)
oil return lines
the route for the inside of the cooler would be a little mor complex as two pipes will be spliced into one for the cooler,
two dump pipes
two water lines and return lines (not really a big deal here some 3/8 aeroquipe hose looks like a nice touch :)

and some sort of air intake.. either both spliced into one, like a reverse merge collector or just two filters..

also you would need to run a decent blow off valve (or even two) as there, two TD04L's would be flowing some decent CFM...

I paid one digit figures for both oil AND coolant lines.
Everything from a 3000GT bolts on...so its alot cheaper then doing it to a 3rd gen.

Most expensive thing will be the piping, but ECU is already sorted out so it'll just be the mechanical side.
giggity

awsome stuff dude.. it will definitly be somthing else! :)

a couple os PSI on a higher compression NA engine.. ohh.. response????????

awsome stuff dude.. it will definitly be somthing else! :)

a couple os PSI on a higher compression NA engine.. ohh.. response????????

hahahahah yeah man I love parts from the US, even with our crap exchange rate its still awesome.
just gathering parts for now.
Will just be running low boost, but wors ecomes to worse ill put some forgies and TT heads on it.

i don't think you'll have a problem running low boost..

make me kinda want to just draw out a bit of cash and just take a few days off work and start fabricating.. lol.. the most expensive part for me would be ECU & tune..

what about second hand superchargers?? for those that want to go down that path.

what about second hand superchargers?? for those that want to go down that path.
Now you're talking reliability. I love it. :roll:

what about second hand superchargers?? for those that want to go down that path.
Go for it, I got an SC14 for $120...just cbf fabricating it up...so sold it...
There are some hell cheap chargers out there but by the time you make one work you will still be down about $2000 i reckon by the time its in and working..
have you actually thought about it or did the thought just pop into your head

it just depends on the setup..

we've done a T25G (rb20det turbo) with a log manifold on a mates 1G-FE lexus IS200 (keep an eye out in coming months of HOT4's, it's the pearl white Lexus IS200 with red leather interior)

runs about 5-6psi..
little front mount
Unichip
Malpassi
intank walbro
sorta a mix between a log/runner manifold
little twin drop dump pipe
we had to 'customise' a fuel system for it, as they are returnless factory.. so we ran another line up the car..

anyway.. made 110rwhp before, and 190rwhp after..(same dyno after tuning)

massive increase in torque, bit of a custom h/duty clutch, but.. 40 000km's later.. still no problems, even though the new owner gives it a lot more curry than Chris (mate) did when we did it!! PLus it makes that unmistakeable, twin-cam 6 cyl turbo toyota note... ohh..

']Go for it, I got an SC14 for $120...just cbf fabricating it up...so sold it...
There are some hell cheap chargers out there but by the time you make one work you will still be down about $2000 i reckon by the time its in and working..
have you actually thought about it or did the thought just pop into your head

Just popped into my head as an alternative.

Hence the popularity of the VL, cheap to work on, cheap to repair/replace parts...

Half the costs on the Magna are custom parts/labour as said earlier, very few shops would have good knowledge on turbo'ing/supercharging Magnas.
lol just cheap in general :P