Hi all this is my first thread here

Im looking at buying a TJ sport or vrx 5sp tiptronic just wondering if there is any difference in the way they shift compared to the 5sp tippy in a base model TJ, are they a little more sporty as in firmer and quicker shifts?

Also if the tippy is a learning box like i have read will it start to shift faster and firmer when it realises i have a heavy foot?

Hi, and Welcome!!

I'm not aware of a difference in the Auto box or its control, but might have a browse through specs and workshop manual. I have a KJ with 4-sp tippy, all other AT Magnas have been non-tippy (tho I do have a 5-sp manual TJ Sports).

In the Tech Torque forum here, there is a "sticky" thread with links to PDF file versions of the Genuine Mitsubishi Service/Workshop Manuals. I'd REALLY REALLY encourage you to download these - they are exellent info.

As for your second question, YES - the box is said to adapt to your lead-foot and alter shift-points etc (change down quicker and hold lower gears longer)..... of course, if you are in tippy-mode its behaviour is different again - but I trust you understand how that aspect works.

SEARCH can find good info in here too - there are threads about re-set of AT ECU, which involves disconnection of neg battery cable for given period of time, followed by a pattern of driving which "educates" the ECU to give smooth shifts etc.

In a casual setting, not related to AMC, I've also been told by a young bloke to disconnect the battery cable, then "drive it like you stole it" and will go the the clappers ever after - with fuel economy to match (ie: worse) I would assume!!!

Have fun in here, enjoy your new car when you get it - I'm told that 5-sp tippy is a wonder compared to my 4-sp tippy. There are some great knowledgeable folks and some awesome machines in here - I hope you'll really enjoy it!

Hi all this is my first thread here

Im looking at buying a TJ sport or vrx 5sp tiptronic just wondering if there is any difference in the way they shift compared to the 5sp tippy in a base model TJ, are they a little more sporty as in firmer and quicker shifts?

Also if the tippy is a learning box like i have read will it start to shift faster and firmer when it realises i have a heavy foot?

Honestly mate get a manual, you'll feel the difference and its a hell of alot more fun.

But to answer your post as far as I know the sports and the vrx are made to be a tad more sporting as the engine is tuned differently so yea I think the gearbox will behave different to the base TJ.

And yea like the previous poster said the box will learn how you drive and then act accordingly. But sometimes this can conflict when you start driving calmly and the car still wants to race.

cheers for the info guys.

I may get a manual if i can find a good one at the time, though after driving a 5sp tippy i quite liked it. From what i have read on AMC about these boxes slipping and not lasting very long im a little scared off.

Are they really that bad??

And is it not good for the box to drive it in tiptronic mode all the time??

Cause if i had one i would drive it like that all day every day.

cheers for the info guys.

I may get a manual if i can find a good one at the time, though after driving a 5sp tippy i quite liked it. From what i have read on AMC about these boxes slipping and not lasting very long im a little scared off.

Are they really that bad??

And is it not good for the box to drive it in tiptronic mode all the time??

Cause if i had one i would drive it like that all day every day.

No, nothing wrong with the auto box, just some fools on here dont treat them right and then they go bang, they are like anything really, treat them well and they will treat you well.

Tiptronic is pretty overrated, if you can get a manual, but autos still arent bad, people on here are just trying to chase someone elses HP.

The 5 speed auto is much nicer to drive than the 4 speed, a lot more freedom and you don't have a minimum speed limit for your highest gear in the 5 speed box.

It's worth noting that only the VR-X and Sports/VR got the the 5-speed tippy after 2000. All Magna's are either 4-speed auto or 4-speed tippy. The later Veradas got 5-speed tippy like the VR-X.

If you haven't bought a car yet and you are looking to shift then get a manual, it's just so much more fun than auto.

It's worth noting that only the VR-X and Sports/VR got the the 5-speed tippy after 2000. All Magna's are either 4-speed auto or 4-speed tippy. The later Veradas got 5-speed tippy like the VR-X.

If you haven't bought a car yet and you are looking to shift then get a manual, it's just so much more fun than auto.


So what your saying is the 5 speed tippy is a 4 speed with over drive or something?

So anyone drive there tippy manualy all the time? had any probs?

Not sure mate, you'd have to ask someone more technical.

Can't really think of a reason you'd want to drive a tippy in manual mode all the time, if you want to do that get a manual. The tippy feels a bit jerky if you manually shift in normal driving. Smooth as silk if you leave it in auto.

No, nothing wrong with the auto box, just some fools on here dont treat them right and then they go bang, they are like anything really, treat them well and they will treat you well.

Tiptronic is pretty overrated, if you can get a manual, but autos still arent bad, people on here are just trying to chase someone elses HP.

Yea theres nothing wrong with mitsubishi's Autos just they dont like being punished. The Manual boxes are great though and take hard driving great. Just dont spin the wheels or let Ego drive it and it'll last ages.

But yea you'll find most members on here are searching for write off magnas to take their manual gearbox's.

Yea theres nothing wrong with mitsubishi's Autos just they dont like being punished. The Manual boxes are great though and take hard driving great. Just dont spin the wheels or let Ego drive it and it'll last ages.

But yea you'll find most members on here are searching for write off magnas to take their manual gearbox's.

Interesting, last time i checked im pushing 162kw atw through mine and ive been known to push it hard. No slipping etc still working like a charm

Interesting, last time i checked im pushing 162kw atw through mine and ive been known to push it hard. No slipping etc still working like a charm

Mine spin if pushed a bit too hard but my tyres and suspension keep it minimal and uncomfortable as the tyres really want to grab the road

Hey guys, the 5-speed auto is NOT a 4-speed auto with "another gear added on".

At first I thought that the 5-speed auto was the 4-speed with an extra-low 1st gear added, but that is not the case.
Having said that, the short 1st gear in the 5A/T is a real bonus. Compared to the extra-tall 1st gear in the 4A/T 3.5's, where you feel that the car is taking forever to lock into 1st gear when starting off.

I believe that all the ratios are a bit different in the 5A/T, as compared to the 4A/T (3.5 auto or tippy...same ratios)

The 5A/T will shift into 5th from 47km/h onwards, whether you like it or not.
The 4A/T will only shift into 4th at 56km/h

As a result of this, the 5A/T is a bit shorter geared in 5th (2200rpm @ 100km/h) as compared to the 4A/T (2000rpm @ 100km/h)

Hope that gives you some useless trivia to chew over

Justin

No, nothing wrong with the auto box, just some fools on here dont treat them right and then they go bang, they are like anything really, treat them well and they will treat you well.

Tiptronic is pretty overrated, if you can get a manual, but autos still arent bad, people on here are just trying to chase someone elses HP.

+1 thats a sensible answer.
Basically decide first if you really want a manual or an auto. Don't buy an Auto thinking you gonna drive it like a manual.

I have driven manual cars for all of my driving life, 20+ years, its only in the last 2 years, getting lazy in old age, that I drive auto. One is not a substitute for the other. The choice is purely yours only, depending on your driving style and what you want to get out of the car.

Interesting, last time i checked im pushing 162kw atw through mine and ive been known to push it hard. No slipping etc still working like a charm

:stoopid:

i only changed from the auto to have more fun and chase more hp now and in the future. my auto box never had a problem and i drove it hard daily

BUT, my 1 regret looking back was not buying a manual in the first place, if you like modding cars (i didnt until i got a magna) buy the manual or youll regret it too.

Main benefit of buying at auto is they are much better cruisers, especially in traffic. Done the home to city run several times last week and auto would have been nice :D

Mine never shifts harshly no mater how its driven or slip.According to the handbook it can recignise 2 different driving styles and tailors itself to suit.

Why don't you look at a TL AWD? You can have a car with two distinct personalities.
Drive it in auto and it corners like a typical front wheel drive with plenty of understeer. Flick it into manual mode before a corner, pull it down a couple and nail it going in and the handling is transformed. As you put the power on you can feel the nose come around as the rear starts to push. Takes a bit of getting used to though when all your instincts say don't get on the throttle until you are starting to exit the corner.
And in the wet! wahoo. It is the safest feeling car to drive in the wet that I have ever owned. I haven't been able to get it to spin a wheel on a wet road, and I've tried. I have a few occasions when someone in a falcon or commodore has tried to do me at the lights on a wet road and while they are spinning I'm gone.

bollie7

Why don't you look at a TL AWD? You can have a car with two distinct personalities.
Drive it in auto and it corners like a typical front wheel drive with plenty of understeer. Flick it into manual mode before a corner, pull it down a couple and nail it going in and the handling is transformed. As you put the power on you can feel the nose come around as the rear starts to push. Takes a bit of getting used to though when all your instincts say don't get on the throttle until you are starting to exit the corner.
And in the wet! wahoo. It is the safest feeling car to drive in the wet that I have ever owned. I haven't been able to get it to spin a wheel on a wet road, and I've tried. I have a few occasions when someone in a falcon or commodore has tried to do me at the lights on a wet road and while they are spinning I'm gone.

bollie7

I'll 2nd everything he said!!!! especially the lack of wheel spin in the wet, it just rockets. :D grip grip grip. On topic if you are a "manual" driver like I was for the first 19 years of driving, the tippy is the best of both worlds, leave it in D to accelerate, it is smarter then you, but cornering and braking once you get use to it is great fun and useful on back mountain twisty roads :D :D Even the wife loves it :D

The wheel's dont spin in the wet?

Heh......think you need more power.

Even standard wrx's will spin the wheels in the wet........

rexys weigh a bit less than a lardy awd magna, but I agree, the traction of awd outweighs any desire for a manual box, for me anyway.

My AWD never spun the wheels in the wet as well untill I fitted the HM Headers. The extra low down torque also causes the fronts to chirp if they are on the white stop lines in the dry.

I have spun inside front tyre during spirited 25-35 kph hills cornering.

Hey guys, the 5-speed auto is NOT a 4-speed auto with "another gear added on".

At first I thought that the 5-speed auto was the 4-speed with an extra-low 1st gear added, but that is not the case.
Having said that, the short 1st gear in the 5A/T is a real bonus. Compared to the extra-tall 1st gear in the 4A/T 3.5's, where you feel that the car is taking forever to lock into 1st gear when starting off.

I believe that all the ratios are a bit different in the 5A/T, as compared to the 4A/T (3.5 auto or tippy...same ratios)

The 5A/T will shift into 5th from 47km/h onwards, whether you like it or not.
The 4A/T will only shift into 4th at 56km/h

As a result of this, the 5A/T is a bit shorter geared in 5th (2200rpm @ 100km/h) as compared to the 4A/T (2000rpm @ 100km/h)

Hope that gives you some useless trivia to chew over

Justin

My 4A/T Tippy does ~2200 @ 100kmph. Could this be due to it being a TF (3 ltr)?

My 4A/T Tippy does ~2200 @ 100kmph. Could this be due to it being a TF (3 ltr)?

Exactly right

Why don't you look at a TL AWD? You can have a car with two distinct personalities.
Drive it in auto and it corners like a typical front wheel drive with plenty of understeer. Flick it into manual mode before a corner, pull it down a couple and nail it going in and the handling is transformed. As you put the power on you can feel the nose come around as the rear starts to push. Takes a bit of getting used to though when all your instincts say don't get on the throttle until you are starting to exit the corner.
And in the wet! wahoo. It is the safest feeling car to drive in the wet that I have ever owned. I haven't been able to get it to spin a wheel on a wet road, and I've tried. I have a few occasions when someone in a falcon or commodore has tried to do me at the lights on a wet road and while they are spinning I'm gone.

bollie7

What about a TJ AWD Sports? they would handle just as well wouldnt they?

The AWD's dont come in manual do they?

Also thanks for all the info guys.

Busting to sell my TT soarer so i can get myself a mags.

What about a TJ AWD Sports? they would handle just as well wouldnt they?

The AWD's dont come in manual do they?

Also thanks for all the info guys.

Busting to sell my TT soarer so i can get myself a mags.

YES

NO

What about a TJ AWD Sports? they would handle just as well wouldnt they?
Same car essentially, TL/TW got the better steering rack (sharper) out of the ralliart. Otherwise mechanically the same "running gear" underneath.

The AWD's dont come in manual do they? No only the 5 speed tippy auto

Also thanks for all the info guys.

Busting to sell my TT soarer so i can get myself a mags. Join the AWD division you'll be glad you did!!!:D :cool: :D

Just looked and there doesn't seem to be that many TJ AWD's around, did they make many?

Be patient,take your time and the right one will turn up,it was quiet when I was looking for mine earlier this year,next thing ya know ya have a choice between a couple.

I read the AWD's are quite a bit slower than the FWD's, like at least a second.

Is this true?

BUY. A. MANUAL. No, really, its a big difference. I test drove both auto and manual 3.5s. I bought a manual.

I read the AWD's are quite a bit slower than the FWD's, like at least a second.

Is this true?

My guess is your only concerned about 0-100 times....correct?

But around the track the AWD would crush the fwd, really no contest. And out and about my guess is they would be a whole lot more fun (auto v auto)

My guess is your only concerned about 0-100 times....correct?

But around the track the AWD would crush the fwd, really no contest. And out and about my guess is they would be a whole lot more fun (auto v auto)

Yeah no, you see the few magnas that are tracked are infact FWD, so that statement isnt really valid,

The awd will be better midcorner the fwd has better power out and along straights

Yeah no, you see the few magnas that are tracked are infact FWD, so that statement isnt really valid,

The awd will be better midcorner the fwd has better power out and along straights

But they are heavier
so would be slower to 0-100

If you put a hi flow muffler on a exec you get the 163
same as sports more than awd
with less waight they go ok ;)

Yeah no, you see the few magnas that are tracked are infact FWD, so that statement isnt really valid,


Im sure if the AWD came in manual it would be a completely different story though.

Besides, out of the 2 "official" magna racing cars 1 was an AWD and the other was RWD converted.

But they are heavier
so would be slower to 0-100

If you put a hi flow muffler on a exec you get the 163
same as sports more than awd
with less waight they go ok ;)

Did you read my answer? AWD will be able to carry more speed into the apex and also be able to get on the motion lotion quicker due to traction, however the front while you do get on the power a little later should catch up in the straight due to it being lighter and less rotational mass behind the engine. And with there being 3 manual AWD's out there

Yes they are "offical" race cars.

But look at TZABOY, Chisholm and Cummins, they are all FWD and do more trackwork then most of us combined.

I read the AWD's are quite a bit slower than the FWD's, like at least a second.

Is this true?

Add a 130kg's to any car and it will be slower, not that much thou (10% increase in weight), but what my racing instructor told me years ago, any idiot can floor it up the straight, it is how you go in and around corners wins the race. Don't forget the AWD's get the Ralliart brakes as standard, bigger and ventilated all round.

And with there being 3 manual AWD's out there


Who has a mnual AWD?
Far as I knew it hadnt been done yet.

My point is that if the AWD came factory in manual and someone wanted a car to make big power and put on the track they would get the AWD over the FWD...because the limit on an AWD is far higher than that of a fwd car. Besides, stock auto vs stock auto I think they would be very close around a track.

Who has a mnual AWD?
Far as I knew it hadnt been done yet.

My point is that if the AWD came factory in manual and someone wanted a car to make big power and put on the track they would get the AWD over the FWD...because the limit on an AWD is far higher than that of a fwd car. Besides, stock auto vs stock auto I think they would be very close around a track.

MMAL made 3 pre production run manual AWD's, anyways this isnt a FWDvs AWD discussion