more pieces arrived today, cant wait until its all finished

That looks like a nice bag of tricks !:D

its almost ready!

any suggestions for what else i need? bottom end wise i mean

oil...........

its there, just forgot to put it in the pic

What sort of a gasket kit is that ?

full kit acl, monotorque head gasket

Metal head gasket ? If it is then thats ok... if not I would get some as the non metal gaskets are 2 think... actually monotorque are not metal if my memory serves me correct..... you need metal for sure..... I have some spares if ya interested..

pretty sure it is, if its not ill be getting a different 1

pretty sure its not !!

Not doing rods?

looks like im goin shopping again tomorrow

Not doing rods?

everyone seems to think you dont need to, but the longer it takes me to find cams, the closer i come to buying rods too

What size cams are you after ? Dont need rods just peen them and fit arp bolts that will be more than enough



everyone seems to think you dont need to, but the longer it takes me to find cams, the closer i come to buying rods too

everyone seems to think you dont need to, but the longer it takes me to find cams, the closer i come to buying rods too
You could probably get away with not buying rods, but you're building your entire engine and leaving one part untouched. It'll cost more money to replace dead rods than it will to install them now while you're doing the rest of the engine. Seems silly to me to build everything else and leave the rods stock. :confused:

just rang repco, theyll take the gasket kit back with full refund and chase up what im after.

on rods, id like to get them, are any brands better than others?

May i ask what the weakness is with the standard rods?
All I know is cranks are good for over 500HP+
(3L DOHC ones are good for 1000HP stock)

Chase up a full gasket kit called Durapro they have the metal gasket which happens to be the exact same part number that Mitsi claims as genuine..... so basically it comes from the same factory! Again I have some Genuine HG available PM me and I will do ya the deal of a lifetime !


just rang repco, theyll take the gasket kit back with full refund and chase up what im after.

on rods, id like to get them, are any brands better than others?

']May i ask what the weakness is with the standard rods?
All I know is cranks are good for over 500HP+
(3L DOHC ones are good for 1000HP stock)

guys are getting over 500hp with standard rods in offroaders, BUT im sure these guys are pulling their engines down regularly. i dont have the coin for that.

id be interested to hear if anyone is pulling big hp on standard rods

guys are getting over 500hp with standard rods in offroaders, BUT im sure these guys are pulling their engines down regularly. i dont have the coin for that.

id be interested to hear if anyone is pulling big hp on standard rods
It's your engine at the end of the day, but if you can't see that doing rods now and being safe, rather than taking a risk and leaving them as they "may" be fine isn't a HUGE risk... then I dunno what to tell you.

It's your engine at the end of the day, but if you can't see that doing rods now and being safe, rather than taking a risk and leaving them as they "may" be fine isn't a HUGE risk... then I dunno what to tell you.

ive spoken to someone tonight about ordering rods, i have a few prices

is there a difference between brands? PAR, or argo im thinking

argo rods have a good name

The stock rods are good for a 500hp build up BUT the do need to have ARP or similar rod bolts fitted to them (the stock bolts are crapola), also pays to get the rods shotpenned as well and make sure you get a good balance job done on the whole crank, rods/pistons and flywheel assembly.

As a note the old 400+ HP @ flywheel 3.5L engine that i built is still going strong (for over 2yrs now) in a off road racer and it HASNT been pulled to bits every few meetings and that thing gets revved to nearly 8000rpm all the time. The guy is over the moon at how well the thing is lasting compared to his old set up (which was a 3.0L 12valve V6)

The stock rods are good for a 500hp build up BUT the do need to have ARP or similar rod bolts fitted to them (the stock bolts are crapola), also pays to get the rods shotpenned as well and make sure you get a good balance job done on the whole crank, rods/pistons and flywheel assembly.

As a note the old 400+ HP @ flywheel 3.5L engine that i built is still going strong (for over 2yrs now) in a off road racer and it HASNT been pulled to bits every few meetings and that thing gets revved to nearly 8000rpm all the time. The guy is over the moon at how well the thing is lasting compared to his old set up (which was a 3.0L 12valve V6)
Where do you get the ARP bolts from? i tried off rocket industries but couldn't get any to January so had to pull stock ones back in. Looking to upgrade them sometime though

Where do you get the ARP bolts from? i tried off rocket industries but couldn't get any to January so had to pull stock ones back in. Looking to upgrade them sometime though

I just grabbed mine from my local engine performance shop as he was doing a big order for a heap of speedway chev engine parts, so i got my rod bolts thrown in on that order and for a good price.

Be advised that to fit the ARP rod bolts (part number 107-6004) into our rods the "caps" have to be relieved/spotfaced approximately 1.5-2mm to allow for enough thread to come thru so the nuts will have 2 threads hanging out. (hope that makes sense)

Its a pity that ARP dont make our rod bolts in the ARP2000 pro series but the hi performance 8740 that we can get are still good and much better than the stock crap.

ive spoken to someone tonight about ordering rods, i have a few prices

is there a difference between brands? PAR, or argo im thinking
I have ARGO rods for my EVO. They're a good brand.

Argo and PAR fit imperial ARP2000 bolts to their rods.

Where do you get the ARP bolts from? i tried off rocket industries but couldn't get any to January so had to pull stock ones back in. Looking to upgrade them sometime though

I have a new set that I probably won't ever need if you're interested.

on the rods question, there's talk of shot-peened stock rods being good to 500hp, but that's mostly from someone who no longer runs stock rods in their 500+hp Magna.

I have Pauter 4340 rods in mine. very strong, but very heavy. the guy who built the engine was worried about the thickness (or lack thereof) across the mid section of the stock rods. he reckoned they would either bend on compression (and end up looking like an S) or snap at full throw with high revs. I went the safer route and found some rods that aren't going to break... ever!

cheers,
.wook

Where do you get the ARP bolts from? i tried off rocket industries but couldn't get any to January so had to pull stock ones back in. Looking to upgrade them sometime though

the rods im ordering will have arp rod bolts, so ill have a spare set for ya stacky

I just grabbed mine from my local engine performance shop as he was doing a big order for a heap of speedway chev engine parts, so i got my rod bolts thrown in on that order and for a good price.

Be advised that to fit the ARP rod bolts (part number 107-6004) into our rods the "caps" have to be relieved/spotfaced approximately 1.5-2mm to allow for enough thread to come thru so the nuts will have 2 threads hanging out. (hope that makes sense)

Its a pity that ARP dont make our rod bolts in the ARP2000 pro series but the hi performance 8740 that we can get are still good and much better than the stock crap.
Ok so i take it that it isn't possible to just remove the sump and fit these bolts then?

Argo and PAR fit imperial ARP2000 bolts to their rods.

argo prices just jumped up $300, inflation these days is a killer!

righto guys, im getting rods, may as well build a bulletproof bottom end

is there any brands to stay away from? has anyone had bad experiences?

righto guys, im getting rods, may as well build a bulletproof bottom end

is there any brands to stay away from? has anyone had bad experiences?
Let me know how much they cost, and see if he will do a cheaper price for 2 sets:)

i ordered argo rods today

i just need some information from someone that knows more than me.

1 what is the clearance from the bottom of the cylinder bore to the rod beam of the standard rod?

2 are there any clearance issues on the extremeities of the conrod in its rotational movement, if so, in which position of the conrod?

jasonsvrx im lookin at you lol

righto, here i go changing my mind again.

build is off, parts are gettin sold, car is getting sold (either stripped or whole)

im not pouring more money into a black hole, im going to buy something that will hold its value slightly better, thinking an evo 7.

righto, here i go changing my mind again.

build is off, parts are gettin sold, car is getting sold (either stripped or whole)

im not pouring more money into a black hole, im going to buy something that will hold its value slightly better, thinking an evo 7.
Change mind really quickly much.:shock:

if you seperate parts shotgun on a few bits first :P


mainly brakes, interior parts etc

if you sell I want your brembos

yeah hopefully the whole car goes, waiting on mods to accept the fs thread

also ill put up a parts for sale thread, basically the things in the pics inc pistons, rods, gaskets, injectors. everything must go lol

']Change mind really quickly much.:shock:

yeah i seen a few really nice evos today, i figure instead of pouring another 10k into this ill get an evo

yeah i seen a few really nice evos today, i figure instead of pouring another 10k into this ill get an evo?
Anything cheap that will fit my car?:shock:

']?
Anything cheap that will fit my car?:shock:

well i dunno, not commiting to split the car for a few weeks, and all the parts im selling will be brand new stock from my build, so i wont be selling them supercheap

Should sell them to me imho

If your going tomorrow to the cruise, i shall speak to you in person

We'll talk asap. PM me with the prices for the discussed items please mate. Are the rods finished?

We'll talk asap. PM me with the prices for the discussed items please mate. Are the rods finished?

the rods arent finished yet, all i want for them is what i paid for them. if i cant get that im going to call on monday and try and cancel the order

Hehe, smart move!