Hey guys and girls!
I'm thinkin of gettin my verada supercharged before the 200,000km mark.
Anyone got advice of which kit to go or any feedback from the kit they already have cause its very hard to choose.
Was thinkin of turbo but i like the supercharger wind,hahahaha!
Not building a race car but want my ride to get good bang for fair buck!
Thanks!

In the main fourem screen look under sponsors. For raptor whole thread on it. It appears to be the best bang
For your buck around. I plan on going down this route soon

is it really a good idea to supercharge a car with nearly 200,000km's on it?

is it really a good idea to supercharge a car with nearly 200,000km's on it?

Wont hurt it provided its not burning oil, losing compression and is in good nick, with s/c since this topic comes up every other week, the advice is simple: Search Button. Also work out your budget etc etc, it might have say 5k on the kit, but little things do tend to add up (tuning, extra labour etc)

Also if you do get a blower be very VERY aware that the chance of you cooking something in the motor triples due to the extra stress etc.

Totally agreed man!
I wanna rebuild engine at 200,000 so it can take the stress,no way i'd leave it stock cause thats just asking for trouble really.When a car produces more power,you need to think of things like brakes,suspension,tires,etc. cause it all comes to physic's.What goes faster must stop,hahahaha!

Totally agreed man!
I wanna rebuild engine at 200,000 so it can take the stress,no way i'd leave it stock cause thats just asking for trouble really.When a car produces more power,you need to think of things like brakes,suspension,tires,etc. cause it all comes to physic's.What goes faster must stop,hahahaha!

So you have a spare 20k+ sitting around? alot of people on these forums dream, if people are serious with builds they dont post anything till they are knee deep into it.

And unless your pushing Big HP and planning to track the car/ drive around like your butt is on fire, standard suspension and brakes will be fine.

No spare 20k but is on the cards cause i like my car plus no dreaming goin on,just thought i would ask cause lookin for any feedback to help before looking to spend the cash and get advice on which system would be beast.

Simply put you will need 8 to 9 thousand and maybe more to do a simple supercharger build not including new Forged pistons and other little bits and pieces .

Simply put you will need 8 to 9 thousand and maybe more to do a simple supercharger build not including new Forged pistons and other little bits and pieces .

Ill simplify this, 8-9k WITHOUT even cracking the motor open at all.

I just did some ruff calculations on my build and its just over $8000 and climbing and i didnt even crack the motor open.

Totally agree with you but no need to asume i'd be dreamin.I know its an expensive task and i know how hard the auto trade is and wouldnt question over anyone who is a professional or knows what they are talking about.
Just looking which kit would be suitable because of the main reasons being that i dont wanna save the cash for it then buy one that has problems but i guess its the luck of the draw and what you do to the engine to back it up.
Could be easier to turbo but im not sure,thats why i asked the question to get pro or experienced opinions without being hacked at for it.

Im not hacking at it just stating the cost involved as im build my supercharged engine as we speak and if you go down the Turbo path it will more than likely cost more $ as you would need custom parts and the car will be off the road longer and finding someone to do it well that a mission in itself.

Totally man, wasnt directed at you with the hacking!
Just dont like it when people hack at others on AMC as it doesnt really solve anything and makes convo's turn from subjects to other things.
I know its expensive to SC but just want to know a good combination as my car will be driven daily so i want a strong build out of it instead of a slap on and blow up situation,hahahaha!

Well keep your eyes peeled in the Members Machines section as i will be running my 3 ltr with a 8.5 PSI pulley and a water 2 air intercooler and should be done by the end of January and its a daily driver.:D

Will do man!
hopefully all works good for ya with no drama's which is what we would all want.

Totally agree with you but no need to asume i'd be dreamin.I know its an expensive task and i know how hard the auto trade is and wouldnt question over anyone who is a professional or knows what they are talking about.
Just looking which kit would be suitable because of the main reasons being that i dont wanna save the cash for it then buy one that has problems but i guess its the luck of the draw and what you do to the engine to back it up.
Could be easier to turbo but im not sure,thats why i asked the question to get pro or experienced opinions without being hacked at for it.

Yeah same as Brad, not having a dig, but this question does get tossed around rather often.

Ok heres the summary: There are 4 known supercharger kits out for the 3.0 and 3.5l magnas

1: Sprintex (no longer made) were the first on the show, they are twin screw, so you get instant boost from idle onwards, you can get good 2nd hand ones for around 4-4.5k not installed. Installation by Tweakit (closest mob near to you that deal with Sprintex is around 1500-2000) Expect from 150-180kw atw depending on Gb and tune.

2: Raptor: They are a sponser here, there is limited data atm due to not many have installed the kit yet, however i have seen the kit in the flesh and is well made, and very confident that it will match the Sprintex Un IC'ed. It is a Centfrigual (my spelling is poor tonight) so it has more turbo like characteristics building boost etc. Expect to pay anywhere from 8k+ installed (inc tuning and piping) and around 9-10 for the IC version. Expect around 160ish atw UnIC and around 180-190 IC'ed again depending on tranny.

3: Bullet: Have done several kits, using similar blower to Raptor (centifigual) they offer an Intercooled unit straight up and are known for reliability, not much other data is known with these kits magna wise. They are located in Queensland. Expect around 10k Installed. An auto magna made 186.something atw and QMD made 215.5kw atw, now even though its been discussed at length the general consenus was that those dyno's where inflated as "show graphs" as they werent run in shootout.

4: Rotex: Again dont know much about them only heard rumours etc

Turbocharging:

Now turboing a 3.0 or 3.5l is not an easy or quick task, for a BASIC and i mean basic single or twin system you are looking at around 6-8 weeks with the car off the road, and around 10-14k by the time the custom bits are made. Expect around 200-250kw atw depending on setup and GB

High Po NA:

NA seems to be the more popular category for these motors, due to loving being revved espically with good cams etc. With a good set of cams (280+ dur) headwork, 10.1 or 11.1 High comp pistons, Manifold, extractors, ARP bolts, whole lot balanced you are looking at around 10-12k and around same sort of power as a basic S/C kit. However power is more located top end and with an auto can be a dog for day to day driving. Expect around 170+ atw depending on GB

Theres a basic breakdown of whats out there atm.

Edited with approx power figures

Will do man!
hopefully all works good for ya with no drama's which is what we would all want.


Well spoke to a tuner today (who will be tuning my car) who actually knows what he is talking about and he seem very confident with the water 2 air it should run fine.

so your going to be brave with the smaller pulley hey Brad? But yeah bang for your bucks you can't go past the raptor kit..

so your going to be brave with the smaller pulley hey Brad? But yeah bang for your bucks you can't go past the raptor kit..


Yeah with the water 2 air my tuner seems to think it will be safe as i had a 30 minute phone conversation with him today and his knowledge is amazing TBH told him what im planning and he said what he plans to do to it when tuning it.


BUT im keeping the 6.5 PSI pulley here with me for a little while just incase lol

so your going to be brave with the smaller pulley hey Brad? But yeah bang for your bucks you can't go past the raptor kit..

Yep, with the Cooler and the fact he is a 3.0 we are confident that there wont be any issues with the (8?)9psi pulley

Thanks magna00!
Sorry about the whole having a dig thing but it is something im truely looking at getting done.
Very good break down,i'll jot it all down and talk to my mechanic to find the best resolution for what i want.
Cheers lads!

Thanks magna00!
Sorry about the whole having a dig thing but it is something im truely looking at getting done.
Very good break down,i'll jot it all down and talk to my mechanic to find the best resolution for what i want.
Cheers lads!

First off, dont bother with mechanics, speak only to knowledgable workshops that have worked with multivalve motors in the past (and if its been a magna +1 to them).

and also get used to being knocked back on work, hell im running around with 40k worth of work i want done and noone wants to do it weirdly.

Sweet! i love the smaller pulley as you get the power quicker. I think its 8.7 psi at redline from memory

Sweet! i love the smaller pulley as you get the power quicker. I think its 8.7 psi at redline from memory

With what size exhaust? i know with my Sprintex psi @ the engine depends on the exhaust for backpressure.

my person opinion is that pumping $10k worth of mods into a magna with 200,000kms on it is the insane.. but thats my person opinon... dont hate me for it...

Bullet Superchargers...QMD801 has got one, great looking install, and has been around a while with no issues.

With what size exhaust? i know with my Sprintex psi @ the engine depends on the exhaust for backpressure.
3" then Y's into two 2 1/2". I doubt i have much back pressure

that 8k is for the intercooled option right? so hed be aiming at 6ish for a standard kit?

that 8k is for the intercooled option right? so hed be aiming at 6ish for a standard kit?

Which Kit?

thats for the parts alone for those prices if its raptor add another 1-2k for installation tuning and anything else that might pop up.

Sorry if you mind me asking, but how do you plan to finance this conversion? Some other things to include in the price, if you need this car every day you will probably want to buy a ****ty run around as your car may be off the road for some days. Your insurance will probably go up as well and you really should have full comp insurance.

So often people post up "I want OVER 9000KW for my daily" and nothing ever happens because of financing.

tell you what you guys need to do...

call around to reputable fabrication shops and seriously price up twin turbo conversions..

hands down i would do a twin turbo conversion.. wouldn't cost more than around half of the raptor kit.. intercooled and all.. with a unichip fitted & tuned..

it wouldn't be drive in drive out.. but rather from one workshop to another via tow truck.. and then drive out..

if i had my time over again id choose a different blower or a turbo set up

i still might be changing my blower, the sprintex will hold me back too much without being intercooled

tell you what you guys need to do...

call around to reputable fabrication shops and seriously price up twin turbo conversions..

hands down i would do a twin turbo conversion.. wouldn't cost more than around half of the raptor kit.. intercooled and all.. with a unichip fitted & tuned..

it wouldn't be drive in drive out.. but rather from one workshop to another via tow truck.. and then drive out..

Do a search for Blackbeard, then look at his TT conversion because of the space restrictions, piping etc, it will be a lot more then that. You havent factored in things like Injectors (you will max out the standards very very easily with boost) dump pipes, piping, the intercooler (nothing off the shelf fits you need a core and get custom ends fitted to clear the reo).

Since im going down this path, atm even WITHOUT cracking the motor the fab work alone is coming in at around 8k, thats manifolds, screamers, dumpies, sump modified, piping, fuel system mods etc, thats all TIG polished, and ill hand buff it for the finish to save a little money.

You could probably do it to other cars that have more off the shelf parts, but not really for a magna.

Hunt around the US for injectors.
760cc ones will set you back $300US used (usually low mileage)
Single turbo setups in the 3000GT camps are all the rage now.
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5449/img0420pd7.jpg
*one day*

Holy turbo batman! I approve!!

But on topic, TT conversion for $3k? Bahahaha.... Try about 6 times that amount. If you can do it for $3k-$4k, be my guest and show us all up, otherwise I call major bull****, sorry mate.

To the actual topic. Getting on for 200,000kms your engine is getting a bit tired. I would seriously consider a rebuild if going supercharged with that many KMS. Alternatively, sell and buy a different car. lol But seriously, you might be better off buying a lower KM car.

Holy turbo batman! I approve!!

But on topic, TT conversion for $3k? Bahahaha.... Try about 6 times that amount. If you can do it for $3k-$4k, be my guest and show us all up, otherwise I call major bull****, sorry mate.

To the actual topic. Getting on for 200,000kms your engine is getting a bit tired. I would seriously consider a rebuild if going supercharged with that many KMS. Alternatively, sell and buy a different car. lol But seriously, you might be better off buying a lower KM car.

I found a complete bolt on TT kit for my car for $500 US :(
Damn my terrible wages....damn them all to hell.
Again, to someone who doesnt know how to weld and fab, its very very expensive.

']I found a complete bolt on TT kit for my car for $500 US :(
Damn my terrible wages....damn them all to hell.
Again, to someone who doesnt know how to weld and fab, its very very expensive.
$500? lol. I paid $3k for my turbo kit for my EVO (turbo, manifold, dump pipe, external wastegate, IC piping) but it retails at $5k!

$500? lol. I paid $3k for my turbo kit for my EVO (turbo, manifold, dump pipe, external wastegate, IC piping) but it retails at $5k!
Yeah all standard 3000GT stuff but would cost a mint to ship here
and this had EVERYTHING. Stupid aussie dollar.

']Yeah all standard 3000GT stuff but would cost a mint to ship here
and this had EVERYTHING. Stupid aussie dollar.
Do eeet... then just run a low boost tune.

Do eeet... then just run a low boost tune.

He is already planning it i believe, judging from the white text.

Agreed with the turbo setup.Might even look into it but just buy a motor on its own then have the internals done for strength and then fit the turbo gear needed and go from there or even buy a turbo engine ready to go.
Im not worried about the km's cause you can always change a motor and any mechanical gear plus i like my rada so i'll work any good combo hits first but i love superchargers!

sweet mate,, the more boosted magna's getting around the better!!!

TT conversion for less than a raptor kit.. BULL ****!

as for which kit to go for, I think for bang for buck you can't go past the raptor kit. however don't skimp and get the unintercooled kit, save a bit longer and get the intercooler, and make sure you go to a reputable tuner.

Having said this, I am over the world with my kit from Bullet Supercars (Which uses the Rotrex Supercharger as mentioned in somenes post before) its very reliable and is making good power, I've been to 2 other dyno day's and had readings over 210kw both times however haven't bothered posting as I didnt receive print outs,,, bloody dodgy $30 dyno days so I think I can throw out claims of a inflated reading, and i even get a call every month or so from the owner asking how its going... IMHO don't even bother with the sprintex kit, (prepares to get flamed by those with the kit,,, I know your jealous :P ) Tim from Raptor is a great guy to deal with.

I can't see why 8.5psi would be an issue I've done a heap of k's in mine with no issues... im commin up to 140km with the plan for a rebuild at 200,000.... aslong as the engine is in good condition, not burning oil as others have said i can't see it being an issue, the big 200,000km mark isn't all that scary, my old car which is now my mum's has done 265,000km and is still going strong probably in better condition than my ralliart at 140,000...
If I had my time again I probably would have done an engine rebuild when I got the kit, my car was off the road for a month as it was and a rebuild wouldn't have taken much longer if we organised the parts in time so if its on the cards anyway do it all at once, although I am glad I didn't get a rebuild as im now proving how reliable this kit from Bullet cars is...

So in summary, go the Raptor kit and don't look back. make sure u do injectors and intercooler. or if you want something a little more subtle than what raptor can offer you,, sorry tim its kinda in ya face when you open the hood, some like it some don't.. get in contact with bullet but be aware bullet's main work is actually building car's from scratch like the bullet MX5 complete with a supercharged v8 and is 100% handmade by the guys there and by far one of the nicest cars i have ever driven, If i had the money to spend i would have them build a replica of my car hehehe

oh I personally would upgrade brakes to atleast the 380 brakes, I think they are sufficient for street driving..

Happy boosting...

- Pete

I've been to 2 other dyno day's and had readings over 210kw both times however haven't bothered posting as I didnt receive print outs,,, bloody dodgy $30 dyno days so I think I can throw out claims of a inflated reading, and i even get a call every month or so from the owner asking how its going... IMHO don't even bother with the sprintex kit, (prepares to get flamed by those with the kit,,, I know your jealous :P ) Tim from Raptor is a great guy to deal with.



Interesting, doesn't prove your readings are inflated, but suggests maybe they aren't :) 210+ on 2 new different dynos is looking good, I assume being a dyno days the runs were done in "shootout mode" with a RR of 13?

Hurry up and take it to the dragstrip already! 210wkw in a manual magna should net you 110mph or maybe a tad more I think. Given TZABOY has done a 12.9@110mph, you should be able to do some pretty impressive times. What's the use in having the power if you dont use it :badgrin:

The Sprintex was the only real option in its day, but now I agree with Raptor and Bullet on board with their apparently quite good kits, it makes no sense to go Sprintex anymore...unless you can get a second hand kit nice and cheap, or just have to have that twin-screw blower noise/off-idle boost response.

I'm now at 122,000km with the Sprintex, and still going strong, but racking up the kms pretty quick (and regular track abuse)..be interesting to see if I have any problems with it once the kms are getting up there, assuming I havn't done a rebuild by then.

The Sprintex was the only real option in its day, but now I agree with Raptor and Bullet on board with their apparently quite good kits, it makes no sense to go Sprintex anymore...unless you can get a second hand kit nice and cheap, or just have to have that twin-screw blower noise/off-idle boost response.
Agreed. When i bought my Sprintex the other alternatives weren't there. If i were to do it again i would go for an intercooled S/C setup. But that's not to say the Sprintex is bad. Sounds hot as and can still boogie when tuned sensibly. Water/meth injection would make it even better.

Interesting, doesn't prove your readings are inflated, but suggests they aren't :) 210+ on 2 new different dynos is looking good, I assume being a dyno days the runs were done in "shootout mode" with a RR of 13?

Hurry up and take it to the dragstrip already! 210wkw in a manual magna should net you 110mph or maybe a tad more I think. Given TZABOY has done a 12.9@110mph, you should be able to do some pretty impressive times. What's the use in having the power if you dont use it :badgrin:

The Sprintex was the only real option in its day, but now I agree with Raptor and Bullet on board with their apparently quite good kits, it makes no sense to go Sprintex anymore...unless you can get a second hand kit nice and cheap, or just have to have that twin-screw blower noise/off-idle boost response.

I'm now at 122,000km with the Sprintex, and still going strong, but racking up the kms pretty quick (and regular track abuse)..be interesting to see if I have any problems with it once the kms are getting up there, assuming I havn't done a rebuold by then.

I dunno but everyone else there seemed to think their readings were on parr but still couldn't believe what my magna was putting down... from memory they were 211.1kw and 217.5kw.. still who know's with dyno's....

will be getting out to the track one day, just hard test n tune's up here are on week nights and im flat out getting out there in time... plus now its summer.... but the day will come....

oh and yeh i know the sprintex was the only apparent kit to use at the time.. however bullet have always been there ready to do a rotrex setup for years.. just never had the donor car.. having said this im not too sure how interested they are in doing many more magna kits..

Do a search for Blackbeard, then look at his TT conversion because of the space restrictions, piping etc, it will be a lot more then that. You havent factored in things like Injectors (you will max out the standards very very easily with boost) dump pipes, piping, the intercooler (nothing off the shelf fits you need a core and get custom ends fitted to clear the reo).

Since im going down this path, atm even WITHOUT cracking the motor the fab work alone is coming in at around 8k, thats manifolds, screamers, dumpies, sump modified, piping, fuel system mods etc, thats all TIG polished, and ill hand buff it for the finish to save a little money.

You could probably do it to other cars that have more off the shelf parts, but not really for a magna.

considering my second job if you like is a fabricator at a workshop.. i can tell you now.. after doing larger turbo upgrades on 3000gt's and galants (the 2.5 v6 tt ones) THEY are tight but still posible.. the magna has a fair bit of room in comparison.. and even charging retail.. the fabrication side of things wouldn't cost a guizillian dollars.. a couple of decent used turbo's (NOT NISSAN ONES, but TD04l's or TF035's for example, can be had for a few hundred dollars) don't need to buy a pair of brand new garret BB ones for 7psi of boost..

please please break it down for me in prices so i can understand where all of you are confused..

2 steam pipe manifolds - all TIG welded/pulse MIG is easier and would save time (not exhaust shop style pump in, but nice MIG will still look very neat) they don't have to be all fancy and spectacular for the intended use, i've seen alot of abortion manifolds in my time)
2 dump pipes
air intakes
cooler piping
cooler
oil feed/returns
water feed/returns
sump fitting

those are the necessities..

aside from that we've already done conversions like this many many times.. one for example i was heavily involved with is a 1G-FE lexus IS200..

mix between a log style/runner manifold, with a nice merge collector, split dump, cooler, and piping, we had to completley re do the fuel system as they don't run a return, and we were using a malpassi reg/walbro in tank pump, so quick ally weld a fitting onto the end of the rail for a return, etc etc..

air intake to a T25G (rb20det turbo) which we just pulled down, inspected, bead blasted the housings, and put back together,

anyway, off it went to CNJ motor sport after that to have the stock injectors hi-flowed, and a unichip fitted and tuned.. increased the pressure a bit, all tuned for 6psi.. (was about $1400-$1500 off the top of my head)

before - 118rwhp - after 6psi = 198rwhp.. 40 000km's later the car is still getting round.. keep your eyes out for the feature in Hot 4's magazine..



tell me seriously what you think justifies the extra cost involved in turbo charging a V6?? please.. i need to understand this everyone seems to talk the talk and is quick to snap at the judgement but PLEASE tell me what you belive is the most expensive part of this??

i mean sure if you spend $2500 on some brand new garrets that is going to jump the price up significantly, and make it seem quite rediculous and a bit of an overkill unless your planning on running big boost on a forged built motor..

i would love to actually do this just to prove my point, but for fuel economy sakes, and honestly i've got better things to spend my hard ernd $$$ on like the house and family, if i get the chance i will.. and i'll see if i can dig up some pics of the lexus.. i think my mate (the owner) took pics of the progress..

if anyone seriously wants to inquire about twin turbo charging thier magna in brisbane please don't hesitate to send me a PM, be more than happy to point you in the right direction..

It's been done before mate, by Black Beard, so we know how much it costs. Start with $15k, then budget more. If there's one thing I know about cars, it's that it NEVER costs what you think it's going to, or take as long as you think it's going to. I respect your profession and opinion, but until I see something concrete, as in, a fully finished twin turbo V6 magna done by yourself for the dollars you proclaim, your words don't mean much.

understood fully,

it just seems that alot of ppl seem to have this mental block.. being in that kinda industry you have to oversimplify things in order to understand them.. and for me it really doesn't seem overly complicated as everyone makes it out to be..

but thanks at least for explaining your response and not just going.. 'ohhhh can't be done for under 3 million dollars there, so much work' clearly those ppl just don't know whats involved..

understood fully,

it just seems that alot of ppl seem to have this mental block.. being in that kinda industry you have to oversimplify things in order to understand them.. and for me it really doesn't seem overly complicated as everyone makes it out to be..

but thanks at least for explaining your response and not just going.. 'ohhhh can't be done for under 3 million dollars there, so much work' clearly those ppl just don't know whats involved..
The bulk of the cost I would say is in the fabrication and the quality of the work, time taken, how busy the workshop is, etc etc. I mean, when I was starting modding my EVO, people were like, "oh yeah man, just build the motor and get a bigger turbo, shouldn't cost more than $10k" Then you actually start looking into how much quality parts are, and you can soon rack up $20k easily simply on the engine alone.

The same sort of thing applies here too. Sure you can do things cheaper, but I for one will always buy quality over cheap. Not saying cheap is always bad, by no means, please don't get me wrong. But for me personally, it's that peace of mind and knowing you did it right one time.

understood fully,

it just seems that alot of ppl seem to have this mental block.. being in that kinda industry you have to oversimplify things in order to understand them.. and for me it really doesn't seem overly complicated as everyone makes it out to be..

but thanks at least for explaining your response and not just going.. 'ohhhh can't be done for under 3 million dollars there, so much work' clearly those ppl just don't know whats involved..

Seconded.

I dont see why turbocharging a Magna will take 20K.

Two hi-flowed rebuild TO4's from the states is around 3600.....thats built for 20psi each....

For 20K, in a falcon XR6 turbo, you can have a drive in drive out 1000hp package from Nizpro, that includes a blueprinted engine, forged pistons, rebuilt top end, custom plenum, new turbo, new exhaust, injectors, ECU etc etc etc

Personally, if it costs 20K to turbo a magna, I dont see the point - sorry, yes, dare to be different etc etc, but seriously its a waste of cash - just my opinion :)

considering my second job if you like is a fabricator at a workshop.. i can tell you now.. after doing larger turbo upgrades on 3000gt's and galants (the 2.5 v6 tt ones) THEY are tight but still posible.. the magna has a fair bit of room in comparison.. and even charging retail.. the fabrication side of things wouldn't cost a guizillian dollars.. a couple of decent used turbo's (NOT NISSAN ONES, but TD04l's or TF035's for example, can be had for a few hundred dollars) don't need to buy a pair of brand new garret BB ones for 7psi of boost..

please please break it down for me in prices so i can understand where all of you are confused..

2 steam pipe manifolds - all TIG welded/pulse MIG is easier and would save time (not exhaust shop style pump in, but nice MIG will still look very neat) they don't have to be all fancy and spectacular for the intended use, i've seen alot of abortion manifolds in my time)
2 dump pipes
air intakes
cooler piping
cooler
oil feed/returns
water feed/returns
sump fitting

those are the necessities..

aside from that we've already done conversions like this many many times.. one for example i was heavily involved with is a 1G-FE lexus IS200..

mix between a log style/runner manifold, with a nice merge collector, split dump, cooler, and piping, we had to completley re do the fuel system as they don't run a return, and we were using a malpassi reg/walbro in tank pump, so quick ally weld a fitting onto the end of the rail for a return, etc etc..

air intake to a T25G (rb20det turbo) which we just pulled down, inspected, bead blasted the housings, and put back together,

anyway, off it went to CNJ motor sport after that to have the stock injectors hi-flowed, and a unichip fitted and tuned.. increased the pressure a bit, all tuned for 6psi.. (was about $1400-$1500 off the top of my head)

before - 118rwhp - after 6psi = 198rwhp.. 40 000km's later the car is still getting round.. keep your eyes out for the feature in Hot 4's magazine..



tell me seriously what you think justifies the extra cost involved in turbo charging a V6?? please.. i need to understand this everyone seems to talk the talk and is quick to snap at the judgement but PLEASE tell me what you belive is the most expensive part of this??

i mean sure if you spend $2500 on some brand new garrets that is going to jump the price up significantly, and make it seem quite rediculous and a bit of an overkill unless your planning on running big boost on a forged built motor..

i would love to actually do this just to prove my point, but for fuel economy sakes, and honestly i've got better things to spend my hard ernd $$$ on like the house and family, if i get the chance i will.. and i'll see if i can dig up some pics of the lexus.. i think my mate (the owner) took pics of the progress..

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36898

Theres that thread incase anyone who is new has never read it.

If you think you can do it cheap, then by all means go ahead, id love to see someone do it so cheaply and still have it semi reliable.

Also noone has said about anything about costing 20k to TT a magna, i said 10-14k if you got some workshop to do it all.

do alot of fab work for other workshops

give them trade price.. yet they still charge the customer a rediculous price like $3000 for a steampipe manifold, + coating.. where as if it came straight through it would be 1/3 that..

but yeh there are two ways you can do it.. for a big boost setup you would want to use some newish turbo's etc.. but for a streeter 7-8psi daily.. would need million dollar gear, it's not seeing a stressfull life..

on the other hand..

if you drove into a place.. threw them the keys and said twin turbo it bitch.. let me know when it's ready to drive out..

sure they would sting you for 15K..

and with black beards setup i've already cut costs by 2k striaght up by not using brand new GT28R's.. i would use 'used' TD04L's from a late modle wrx, for around $150 each.. used plenty in the past, wouldn't heasitate useing them again.. or even TF035 's from a GT forester.. there a wee bit smaller, and would help reduce lag,

yeh i know there used and there not ball bearing.. but seriously there will be nothing wrong with them for the planned application.. nobody has a problem with using a second hand s/c or a second hand manual gearbox without it being totally stripped and reco'd.. so why do it with the turbo?? and what if one of the seals blow in the TD04l??? > bin, buy another one for $150..

again i know that someone has done it the best possible way out there using nothing but the best really, but honestly he did pay through the **** for it, but who can argue with it's proven reliability..

but me personally i would have gone down a slightly different path with the parts list..

Seconded.

I dont see why turbocharging a Magna will take 20K.

Two hi-flowed rebuild TO4's from the states is around 3600.....thats built for 20psi each....

For 20K, in a falcon XR6 turbo, you can have a drive in drive out 1000hp package from Nizpro, that includes a blueprinted engine, forged pistons, rebuilt top end, custom plenum, new turbo, new exhaust, injectors, ECU etc etc etc

Personally, if it costs 20K to turbo a magna, I dont see the point - sorry, yes, dare to be different etc etc, but seriously its a waste of cash - just my opinion :)

i agree

Awesome info guys!
Hopefully i get a good chance to talk to my mechanic in the new year very thoroughly about which one to choose cause i do want it to be a daily driver but have good reliability.
I'm not looking to pass awesome quater mile times,just wanna have a car that can move when i want it to.
I could simply sell it and buy a stock factory car thats quicker but i love my rada,out of all the cars i've ever owned,this one doesnt let me down at all.

mate, ill give you my ralliart and $2500 next week...

and in return I will see over 200kw ATW, reliable and able to be driven every day, rain hail or shine, be able to go on long trips tow a boat or car trailer with no hassles... and I will have something that is of the same quality of my Bullet Supercharger Kit?

I drive my car to and from work every day, thats a min 1hr in peak hour traffic.. with the aircon cranking.. and its fine and still has oodles of power on tap... Just today for example on the way home I was half way home and realised i was meant to go over the otherside of town to pick up some new springs for my coilovers, so after driving in dense trafic at about 70km (in a 100 zone) for 25min I turned around and was stuck in stop start traffic for an hr and a half, then dense traffic for a further 40minutes and then drove like my ass was on fire for a further 15min... and then turned around and headed home for a 1hr 15min cruise along the highway.

I think its about time you put your money where your mouth is.. sorry if im hardsh, I understand you have your theories, but you need to listen to the people that have been there and done it. there is not a single percent you can compare modding a magna to any other car at all its always harder..

in relation to using second hand turbo's, is that what you used to do in your vl? :P

the prices given for the s/c kits on here are using brand new gear, so asif compare these prices to using second hand blown to bits turbo's....

I assure you and i did the research and asked around.. without being extremely handy with a spanner, and confident. back when I was young I rebuilt a wb ute complete with a 350 chev engine and 5sp celica gearbox.. so im not totally useless with the ol spanner.... the Raptor kit is the best bang for buck your gonna find...
Tim hurry up and get in here and do your thing.

mate, ill give you my ralliart and $2500 next week...




You can give it to me :D

haha settle down guys, $2500 i don't think would be enough.. there is atleast $1500 for a unichip fitted & tuned.. lol

and that lexus we did ages ago for my mate, sold it a few months after, the new owner works at toyota 4x4xmore at rocklea some 35-40 000kms / 1.5 years later it's still perfect running order no issues at all i think he's actually upped the boost a little also.. it's pearl white, full red leather interior, 3035497564 million lcd tv's hanging out of it and some 19" chrome.. can't miss it.. go have a look at it if you want.. it's usually parked on the side road every day.. sometimes he takes his tough datto ute..

tell you what you guys need to do...

call around to reputable fabrication shops and seriously price up twin turbo conversions..

hands down i would do a twin turbo conversion.. wouldn't cost more than around half of the raptor kit.. intercooled and all.. with a unichip fitted & tuned..

it wouldn't be drive in drive out.. but rather from one workshop to another via tow truck.. and then drive out..

+

ProStreet kit $5800.00

This is a complete kit with injectors, ECU, pipework etc etc, this is the complete deal ready to bolt on and comes with preloaded tune for to suit the 3.5 liter, we expect to have tunes for the 3.0 soon. You will need a smaller battery.

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$2,500 - $3,000 unless i can't count???


As I have actually modded before I was always counting on it being a little over the original quote....


hmmmm sounds like the truth comes out mate....

moral to the story - listen to those that know....

QMD.

Matty C has already stated it would take more than $2500 - you pulled that figure out of thin air to try and *prove* a point.

Not meaning to speak on his behalf, but he stated that 15K is a little rich for turboing a Magna, and that it can be done cheaper if you know the right workshops, are handy with a spanner, and dont go all out buying brand new ball bearing turbo's which, for 7psi (and I agree) is a waste of a turbo (BB turbo's are designed for high PSI applications....7psi and the turbo would barely be working)

Hell for 15K I could have a 13B turbo rebuilt with all new parts, BB turbo that would make 600hp day in day out....and I'de have cash for a flywheel/clutch to top it off....

Maybe its just something about magna's :)

QMD.

Matty C has already stated it would take more than $2500 - you pulled that figure out of thin air to try and *prove* a point.

Not meaning to speak on his behalf, but he stated that 15K is a little rich for turboing a Magna, and that it can be done cheaper if you know the right workshops, are handy with a spanner, and dont go all out buying brand new ball bearing turbo's which, for 7psi (and I agree) is a waste of a turbo (BB turbo's are designed for high PSI applications....7psi and the turbo would barely be working)

Hell for 15K I could have a 13B turbo rebuilt with all new parts, BB turbo that would make 600hp day in day out....and I'de have cash for a flywheel/clutch to top it off....

Maybe its just something about magna's :)


look at my post, he stated less than half the cost of supercharging... had he have said less than 15k then thats another story... point of the matter is he should have thought before talking **** and getting poor guys hopes up that they could have a 200kw car for half the cost of what raptor have to offer...

I just wanted to call his bluff either way it was a win win situation for me... he'd either back track on his ridiculas uneducated statement or id have an awesom tt ralliart

lol your 600hp 13b would make that power on the way from the garage everyday it broke down... sorry... couldnt help myself..

back on topic though you cannot compare for less money than my kit you can tt a monaro and rebuild the engine and make 700hp atw.... moral to the story.. magnas are like no other...

QMD, you're just fishing for an arguement.

QMD, you're just fishing for an arguement.

im proving a point... im sick of hearing people talk **** about this... i spent months researching before deciding on what to do... and read so much crap like what matty has said that got me excited about it being "cheap" i just don't want people to get the wrong impression.

however was willing to be proven wrong and was even offering to finance and provide my car as evidence for him as its obvious that he had never done any sort of modification of this calibre to a magna before..

A member on here once had the signature:

"CHEAP. FAST. RELIABLE. Pick 2." Show me a scenario where this doesn't hold water. I think it's timeless. :cool:

"CHEAP. FAST. RELIABLE. Pick 2."
/thread

A member on here once had the signature:

"CHEAP. FAST. RELIABLE. Pick 2." Show me a scenario where this doesn't hold water. I think it's timeless. :cool:

Its a very old saying (its also meant to say pick any two).

This wasnt about if there's a cheap way to do things, but cheaper than the listed $15K+ build for a low boost application, which although is possible if you have a workshop do things, is rather beyond a joke for 200kw (atw). Its actually laughable.

Its a very old saying (its also meant to say pick any two).

This wasnt about if there's a cheap way to do things, but cheaper than the listed $15K+ build for a low boost application, which although is possible if you have a workshop do things, is rather beyond a joke for 200kw (atw). Its actually laughable.

The joys of modding a non stream car, sure for 15k in say a S4 Rx7 or a 1995 Supra will net a tonne more ponies + be semi reliable, but that sort of work is pretty common, and lets face it, there isnt many TT magnas getting about and is unique and rather crazy.

Its a very old saying (its also meant to say pick any two).

This wasnt about if there's a cheap way to do things, but cheaper than the listed $15K+ build for a low boost application, which although is possible if you have a workshop do things, is rather beyond a joke for 200kw (atw). Its actually laughable.
:stoopid:
Although with all of this "it could" talk....I'd like someone to actually do it now.
i.e. 2nd hand turbos etc..

']:stoopid:
Although with all of this "it could" talk....I'd like someone to actually do it now.
i.e. 2nd hand turbos etc..


if some1 has a doner car and motor, i would sure like to give it a go.... i could do all the fabrication work, just the expenses like turbos, oil/water line's intercooler and aftermarket management with tuning. oh then theres the injectors too. hmmm nearly 5 grand there..... thats not including my FREE labour....

well any takers?:bowrofl:

The joys of modding a non stream car, sure for 15k in say a S4 Rx7 or a 1995 Supra will net a tonne more ponies + be semi reliable, but that sort of work is pretty common, and lets face it, there isnt many TT magnas getting about and is unique and rather crazy.

Yep, if you want bang-for-buck go mod the same thing everyone else is. But you can't beat a heavily modded magna or something similar when it comes to novelty value.

The amount of attention I get at track days now is hilarious...no one notices the guys going quick in evos/GTRs/whatever cos it's the norm...come near the top of the time sheet in a magna, among a field of of mainstream sport/performance cars, and EVERYONE notices and is highly interested. The funky blower sound plays a big part too.

There are plenty of upsides to modding something like a Magna for some- the key is to sit down and do the research, and work out what your goals/priorities are. Personally I've loved every stage of owning the Magna and don't have regrets at all, but my next car will probably be something more mainstream - or an old piece of crap like a KE70 corrola as a base for a track-only car.

if some1 has a doner car and motor, i would sure like to give it a go.... i could do all the fabrication work, just the expenses like turbos, oil/water line's intercooler and aftermarket management with tuning. oh then theres the injectors too. hmmm nearly 5 grand there..... thats not including my FREE labour....

well any takers?:bowrofl:
If you ever come down to melbourne, let me know:bowrofl:

']If you ever come down to melbourne, let me know:bowrofl:

Tuffy... ive been itchin to come down to see your beast in the flesh.... would like to throw a couple of hair dryer's on eh? thats just messing with peoples heads!:badgrin: lol

PS my grand mother lives in sunshine.... been looking for a reason! haha

QMD - nobody actually put a clear price tag on the 'pro street' kit previously, or if they did i didn't see it.. so i apologise 3k would be underestimating it..

i would be happy to say that for about 5k, you would have a low boost TT magna driving.. possibly less depending on how involved you get.. thats my 'uneducated' opinion being that i've been doing this sort of stuff for the last 8 years or so first hand.. (turbocharging N/A cars and general fabrication for FI cars)

cheers,

QMD.

Matty C has already stated it would take more than $2500 - you pulled that figure out of thin air to try and *prove* a point.

Not meaning to speak on his behalf, but he stated that 15K is a little rich for turboing a Magna, and that it can be done cheaper if you know the right workshops, are handy with a spanner, and dont go all out buying brand new ball bearing turbo's which, for 7psi (and I agree) is a waste of a turbo (BB turbo's are designed for high PSI applications....7psi and the turbo would barely be working)

Hell for 15K I could have a 13B turbo rebuilt with all new parts, BB turbo that would make 600hp day in day out....and I'de have cash for a flywheel/clutch to top it off....

Maybe its just something about magna's :)

Acually.. Thats incorrect. BB turbos are designed for better spool, where as journal bearings provide more reliability at high boost/rpm.

I've spent under $80 so far and have a FMIC, GFB BOV and Water and oil lines.
:bowrofl:
(FMIC Was new too hehe)

Turbo charging would run more fuel efficient than a supercharger kit?
If so,might turn to the turbo side but depends on how and when my mechanic can look and discuss further what would be involved.

would both use bucketloads of fuel anywaysss

i found fuel economy didnt change enough to notice when i put the blower on.

and yes turbos are more fuel efficent because theyre reusing the exhaust (i think), but dont take my word, im a total noob

To a point luke, beauty of turbo's you can drive them "off boost" aka keep them fairly low rpm and get very respectable economy, as for SCvsTurb for economy they are pretty same same.

I say if your concerned about fuel economy FI is not for you.
Well FI and Rotorys

']I say if your concerned about fuel economy FI is not for you.
Well FI and Rotorys

To a point, i went from mid 7's to 10 flat per 100 with the blower, a marginal increase but not that bad in the scheme of things, ive seen some Turbo cars get below 7 on the highway (xr5t's)

my fuel economy improved with the blower... although if i give it a bootload then it uses it fast, depends on your driving style i think turbo's use more fuel when on boost than a s/c would....

before i used to average 550km a week, now i get over 600 driving the same....

The absolute worst economy I've got in my EVO, blasting through the mountains and mostly around town aswell, was 13.7L/100. Mostly I average 11-12, and 8 on the highway. It's all in the tune.

Totally!
Still making a decision but god i love SC's,will find out more when i visit my mechanic in the new year!

i don't know any fabricators in your area..

but there are fabricator/engineers, and then there is mechanics.. the two rarely do eachothers work and shouldn't get quotes from eachother.. for example how much to make some turbo manifolds to the mechanic, and how much to service my car to the engineer..

however the mechanic would be fine to physically fit the blower (sprintex style)..

just make sure you don't confuse the two roles..

Totally man!
My mechanic does alot of custom stuff anyway so its very interesting to hear him talk about what mods to do.

There is no doubt in my mind that a V6 magna could be twin turboed for less than $15k. But unless you did most / all the work yourself - you wouldn't end up with an engine bay full of polished, mendrel bent stainless steel pipes from the filter to the T/B, or a pair of brand new turbos that are proven to be capable of producing 450 odd horse power at the wheels on a 3.5L magna (or whatever RPW ended up getting out of his car).

Oh - over 2 years running just shy of 200kw at the wheels and I haven't had to do more to the engine than change the oil and filters. How many SC'd magnas can say that?

There is no doubt in my mind that a V6 magna could be twin turboed for less than $15k. But unless you did most / all the work yourself - you wouldn't end up with an engine bay full of polished, mendrel bent stainless steel pipes from the filter to the T/B, or a pair of brand new turbos that are proven to be capable of producing 450 odd horse power at the wheels on a 3.5L magna (or whatever RPW ended up getting out of his car).

Oh - and over 3 years running just shy of 200kw at the wheels and I haven't had to do more to the engine than change the oil and filters. How many SC'd magnas can say that?
Considering Magna's can't talk I don't think any could ;) But seriously. Sounds sexy, you should post your car up in members machines man :) Show us what you've done. I've seen a few "during" pics, but nothing afterwards.

There is no doubt in my mind that a V6 magna could be twin turboed for less than $15k. But unless you did most / all the work yourself - you wouldn't end up with an engine bay full of polished, mendrel bent stainless steel pipes from the filter to the T/B, or a pair of brand new turbos that are proven to be capable of producing 450 odd horse power at the wheels on a 3.5L magna (or whatever RPW ended up getting out of his car).

Oh - and over 3 years running just shy of 200kw at the wheels and I haven't had to do more to the engine than change the oil and filters. How many SC'd magnas can say that?

gettin there.... :P

if ya gonna do it ya gotta do it right... amen trigger mike, maybe its a qmd thing ay:)

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gettin there.... :P

if ya gonna do it ya gotta do it right... amen trigger mike, maybe its a qmd thing ay:)

Yeah - the new breed of centrif blown magnas will definitely be alot more reliable than the ol' sprintex beasts with tons more potential for power, I've got no doubt about that Pete.

Yeah - the new breed of centrif blown magnas will definitely be alot more reliable than the ol' sprintex beasts with tons more potential for power, I've got no doubt about that Pete.

hope ya dont mind me puttin up a pic... its my favourite magna pic... sexy as engine bay.. thats why im trying to hide mine cuz it will never look that good..

hope ya dont mind me puttin up a pic... its my favourite magna pic... sexy as engine bay.. thats why im trying to hide mine cuz it will never look that good..

You stupid, You engine bay is Nucking Futs.

']You stupid, You engine bay is Nucking Futs.

oh I know :P but its just not the same as all that polished stainless...

im going for the tuff stock look lol need to get my black silicone piping...

hope ya dont mind me puttin up a pic... its my favourite magna pic... sexy as engine bay.. thats why im trying to hide mine cuz it will never look that good..

Nah mate - I don't mind at all. The pics floating around on this site elsewhere for anyone who feels like looking it up.

It's good to know the old beast still gets some respect around here.

Nah mate - I don't mind at all. The pics floating around on this site elsewhere for anyone who feels like looking it up.

It's good to know the old beast still gets some respect around here.

What is happening with it anyways? hardly hear of it these days....

What is happening with it anyways? hardly hear of it these days....

the beast is his daily now... still goin strong, it actually has a bit of a rep around brissy now, a few have mentioned it when commenting on my car..

the beast is his daily now... still goin strong, it actually has a bit of a rep around brissy now, a few have mentioned it when commenting on my car..

Not quite - it's back to being the 3rd car in the family again. I try to take it out at least once a week for a spin.

The reason I haven't posted anything on here in ages about it is because there really is nothing new to say. Nothings gone wrong with it - and I haven't upgraded it at all.

Me likey!

Anyone know if an engine from a 98 VR4 Galant/Legnum 2.5 TT would fit into a 3rd Gen?
I know there are alot of things that have to be changed but would be handy to know just incase a front cut came along.
Cheers!

Anyone know if an engine from a 98 VR4 Galant/Legnum 2.5 TT would fit into a 3rd Gen?
I know there are alot of things that have to be changed but would be handy to know just incase a front cut came along.
Cheers!

I looked at this 12 months ago, Engine mounts arent too much of an issue (resuse magna torque stays and the VR4 ones) The only huge issue is the gearbox, you will need either a custom bellhousing, Flywheel and clutch assembly or do a hydraulic block for the AWD box, both arent cheap (in the realms of about 2-3.5k to convert the GB's/Clutch ass) also will need custom Intermid CV shafts and hub CV spacer so it all lines up.

Also forgot to mention the gearbox linkages on the magna box foul on the rear turbo wastegate solenoid.

Doesnt matter how much you spend or do The resale value doesnt change If a Super duper magna with 20+ grand spent on it is still only worth what the BOOKED retail value is

Doesnt matter how much you spend or do The resale value doesnt change If a Super duper magna with 20+ grand spent on it is still only worth what the BOOKED retail value is

The same goes for pretty much any used passenger car which is modded for performance. So your point is??

Doesnt matter how much you spend or do The resale value doesnt change If a Super duper magna with 20+ grand spent on it is still only worth what the BOOKED retail value is

lol... did u only just work that one out???


plus, cars are only worth what someone is willing to pay... just last week i was offered 20k for my car as is...

seriously considered taking it but then i would find it hard to let go of it.. and i havent really spent a great deal over that considering.... including the purchase price so you never know...

Totally hear ya lads!
Resale value is no concern as i am keeping this car for a while yet.
Thanks magna00,very handy info there man.
My biggest concern would be the fact that i have a 4 speed tippy so would have to change completely i say,may cost roughly the same to do a custom setup on my exsisting engine than what it would be to put a galant engine in.
I saw a 98 or 99 Verada wagon on ebay once which had one of these engines in it but i think they put the 5 speed tippy and dash cluster from the legnum into it.
Cheers lads!

Totally hear ya lads!
Resale value is no concern as i am keeping this car for a while yet.
Thanks magna00,very handy info there man.
My biggest concern would be the fact that i have a 4 speed tippy so would have to change completely i say,may cost roughly the same to do a custom setup on my exsisting engine than what it would be to put a galant engine in.
I saw a 98 or 99 Verada wagon on ebay once which had one of these engines in it but i think they put the 5 speed tippy and dash cluster from the legnum into it.
Cheers lads!

Yeah he was a member from here, Tbutcher i think his user name was, i did consult him on it, but yeah unless your very handy (aka doing all the machining work yourself etc) it is a expensive method.

True that!
Not very good with all that mechanical engineering stuff so will leave to an expert.
Would be a good project to work with but its a shame theres alot of differences with all the gear needed.
I'm still lookin to SC but turbo is tempting!
I'll be doing some light engine work first then move onto that stage when i can sort out the best method for my needs.
Do any other mitsu engines that are turbo'd go in if anyone knows like gto(3000gt) engine or anythin in those league's?

True that!
Not very good with all that mechanical engineering stuff so will leave to an expert.
Would be a good project to work with but its a shame theres alot of differences with all the gear needed.
I'm still lookin to SC but turbo is tempting!
I'll be doing some light engine work first then move onto that stage when i can sort out the best method for my needs.
Do any other mitsu engines that are turbo'd go in if anyone knows like gto(3000gt) engine or anythin in those league's?
gto engines are the wrong orientation for third gens, if u had a second gen the gto engines go in easy!