Recovered from the old forums...

PhilsTH wrote:

Differences between the Standard Invecs II and Tiptronic InvecII.

TIPTRONIC ECU pin assignments at connector B111.

P = 101, R=108, N=121, D=102, fed directly from inhibitor switch (s/w).

Sports = 109 powered, Standard = 109 no (power) pwr and pwr fed to inhibit s/w for D, N, R, P.

Gear shift up =pwr at 122 and gear shift down = pwr at pin 110.

Tell tale lights (dash gear selection lights) L=105, 2=118, 3=117, 4=128. D, N, R, and P are powered from the inhibit s/w.

The A/T control solenoid valve assy (initiate gear changes) use pins 120, 106, 130, 107, 129 are used. Identical to the Standard Auto.


STANDARD ECU pin assignments.

P=101 R=108 N=121 D=102 3=109 2= 122 L=110 these are all powered from the inhibit s/w, the tell tale dash lights are also powered off the same line.

A/T control solenoid valve assy. These initiate gear changes. Pins 120, 106, 130, 107, 129 are used. Identical to the Tiptronic Auto.

DIFFERENCES

Differences between their pin assignments are L =110 2=122 and 3=109 on Standard ECU and Down shift=10 Up shift =122 Sports mode=109.

Tell tale lights for Tip are fed from ECU in sports mode for L=105 2=118 3=117 4=128. All other tell tales for both Tip and Standard are fed from the inhibit s/w. Pins105, 118, 117 don’t appear to be used on the standard Auto ECU.

I have spoken to Mitsubishi who have said the tiptronic auto is different to the standard auto, to which I asked why their both InvecII to which there was no answer. I’m sure I’ve read somewhere the sports box is the same but tweaked so the shifts are tighter/quicker, still investigating.

Other difference is the gear selector and console.

POSSIBLE SETUP.

One possibility but it could do damage to the ECU although a dummy load should stop it, isolate the ECU output to the gearbox solenoids to prevent a second signal feed, then feed a signal directly to the gearbox solenoid responsible for each gear. This would need 4 s/ws one for each gear short of designing a little cct to sequentially shift up/down.

Those thinking about a Manual here's a couple of elec issues.

well you’d want it real bad cause, replace control harness in eng bay thru to Dash as the physical shape of the connectors B108,109,110,111 for man ECU are different to Auto ECU, Immobiliser to ECU wire different , ABS to ECU wire diff .
Connectors B108,109,110,111 pin assignments (where they go )completely different.
There’s more.
Then my post:


Hi Phil

A couple of weeks ago, I did some homework in to this.

Pinout wise, that's what i've discovered too. Electrically/mechanically, everything appears to be the same, expect fo the selection lever and switches.

My Findings (WARNING: Might not be 100% correct!!!):
* Mechanically, the 4sp auto and 4sp Tiptronic, are the same.
* To enable Sports Mode: Select "D" and "3" at the same time. Of course this is impossible with a standard selector! But on the tiptronic, the selector is still in D, whilst being slid over to the manual position (hence enabling a microswitch conneced to pin 109, aka "3" position on the standard selector)
* Then, Shift Down = "L" Position
* And, Shift Up = "2" Position
* ECU Software differences file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Brad.HOME/Desktop/images/smiles/question.gif Are the ECU's the same?? Do they contain a different software between standard/tiptronic series. I rang two Mitsui Dealers and they have had no idea to say the least. Weren't even able to tell me part numbers! I'm guess, there'd be different ECU's for 4sp and 5sp automatic automatics, along with a manual transmission version. When I was on the phone to a Mitsui service department, something about 3 different types came up, but there computer was telling them BS by the sounds of it, since the bloke searched for A/T ECU's and got Manual ECU codes in the results! file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Brad.HOME/Desktop/images/smiles/rolleyes.gif
* Remember the final batch of TJ's, the March 2002 onward build, were all 4sp tiptronic as standard. What I find VERY interesting is that the display on the dash is exactly the same as the plain TJ 4sp models, having only L/2/3/D/N/R/P lights. Where as the 4sp verada's have a 1/2/3/4/D/N/R/P combination. (and 5sp sports = 1/2/3/4/5/D/N/R/P)
* when in "Sports Mode", the L/2/3/D lights would equal gear 1/2/3/4 selected. These are the same pins on all models, with only minor changes for 4/5/D lights depending on model.

Who has one of thise March 2002> TJ's with a 4sp tiptronic???? Need to find the part number of the ECU off one. If it matches my 4sp 'normal' version, then we might just be in luck!

Something tells me that from an economics point of view, it'd be cheaper for Mitsui to have a single 4sp A/T ECU between models, thus saving on having to stock 2 (or more different lots of ECU's then). Far easier IMO, if the same part would work for both.

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As for the conversion: My Plan...
* 4 pole, 2 position toggle switch hooked up to break L/2/3's normal connections, and force selection of 3 & D at the same time. This would be the ON/OFF or Normal/Tiptronic mode selection.
* Add a push button for down shift to L connection
* Add a push button for up shift to 2 connection
Then....



MagnaLE wrote:The software in the ECU would be different.

Shifting up a gear in tiptronic mode isn't the same as shifting from L -> 2 -> 3 -> D. Also acceleratiing in the 2 or 3 positions of a standard auto can still cause the auto to kickdown for extra power, where as, in tiptronic mode it will only kickdown if the engine is labouring too much.

I reply with...


Yes that's because it's in tiptronic mode, not standard automatic mode.

What I am saying is, it looks like you can enable, or enter tiptronic mode, by having the gear selector* in both 3 AND D positions at the same time. Of course this is impossible with the standard selector, since it only allows one of them to be selected at a time!

* Has switches for each selections position.

I would think the ECU would be programmed in a fashion like this...


ECU Pin 102 = "D" Position
ECU Pin 109 = "3" Position on standard selectors OR Sports Mode Enable on tiptronic selectors

IF "D"==selected AND "3"==selected THEN
(if Pin 102 & Pin 109 selected then...)
{
// Enable Tiptronic Mode, since We are in Drive, and the 'sports mode' microswitch on the selector is enabled

This means...
ECU Pin 110 = Down Shift
ECU Pin 112 = Upshift
ECU Pin 109 = Sports Mode Enable

...and the ECU does the tiptronic behaviour here
}
ELSE
{
// We are in Normal Automatic Mode

This means...
ECU Pin 110 = L Position
ECU Pin 122 = 2 Position
ECU Pin 109 = 3 Position

......so the ECU defaults to the normal L/2/3 operation here

}

Economically, it would be cheaper to program a single chip for all this way, rather than having to keep stock at the factory for different models. Then again, a one size fits all chip might need more memory/etc, hence be most costly. Who Knows. This is a complete ?????? to the project!


And that's as much as I got :D

I'll add the last bit from memory.
Driver: suggested making a plug in loom to trial this idea if connectors are available.
philsTH: I know some car connectors are, I'll look into it.

i'm very interested in this.. was looking at a manual conversion, but i'm sure if this works the tiptronic shifter should bolt straight on! that would be awesome!

Yeah I'm pretty sure it would too.

Although if you can live without the paddle, you can always just have up/down buttons mounted somewhere!

Can people tell us what the part numbers are for their ECU's? I will give more detailed instructions/pictures later of where exactly to look, but we'd need to know the part numbers from the following models:
* Standard 4sp Automatics - Executives, Advance, Solara's, Older Verada models
* 4sp Tiptronic - Verada, Final TJ2 (March 2002 onward builds) TL ES, TL LS,
* 5sp Tiptronic - Sports, VRX. (might be different??)

If enough people start posting part numbers, then that might shed some better light on the situation.

nah, i reckon the whole action of shifting the stick is much better than fiddling round with little buttons, although if i didn't have a airbag wheel u could hook it up 2 the buttons on a momo wheel :-D

any idea how much a tip shifter would be?

Actually, You still might be able to put the buttons on the wheel. The clock-spring has spare contacts on it for the Verada XI radio controls! But with an air bag, I'm not messing around there in the gear it goes off! (be hard too, but still :D)



any idea how much a tip shifter would be?
When i spoke to the a spare parts guy at a dealer, he seemed to think that it was "expensive" cause there was heaps of brackets/mountings for it. Although I don't know what this definition of expensive is. I'm guessing $300-400 at least. Wreakers perhaps?

I posted that the invecsII was released in the TH as both standard and sports but someone corrected me and said they were in from the TE.
Can anyone confirm that the TE/F do have a sports mode as I'm not familiar with these models in fact I can't tell the difference in there appearance. If you know the diff please tell me.
If there were no sports wy have an ECU with that capability did they fit a diff one on intro of sports. Please where's the sports ECU Part No please.

TF was the first to have Sportsmode. I had a conversation with my service manager once about the transmission and he said a couple of the mechanics had looked at doing the conversion, apparently it was pretty straight forward all you need is the console and gearstick, the down side gearstick = $1000.00, but all the switchs are supposed to be there as the diamantes had sportsmode from TE on.

Well that's very interesting then isn't it. Did they end up doing the conversion????


And $1000 for a gear stick....tipical :roll: Just like someones $1700 CD player quote, $500 per foglight ahhhh

yeah might have to head down to the wreckers... mind if i give it a "test" fit to see if it works??

yeah might have to head down to the wreckers... mind if i give it a "test" fit to see if it works??
Go for it :D

I don't think they took it any further, the price scared them off.

I say try it out with just using switches before going out and buying the shifter.

I have a suspicion that the ECU software would be different, or "locked". The ECU itself in terms of hardware would be the same of course to save costs. If you could find an engineer who knows how to get into the programming mode of the ECU..... :D

Might also want to be careful when trying out the switches. If the ECU isn't programmed for the Sports mode, having D and 3 pins shorted may confuse the ECU.

Yeah obviously that is of great concern.

Though I don't know if they'd bother locking it or not, since not many people who even have the faintest idea of fiddling with it. But I still know what you mean.

Edit: This might be the wrong number??

OK, I need everyone to start posting what there ECU part number is. Finding it out is a 5min job, which will require a screwdriver, so the metal kick guard can be removed for a better view. You won't have to disconnect any cables, so don't worry about that!

1. Remove the plastic dash panel that's under Glove box. 3 clips hold this in. Just wiggle the entire thing fowards and it'll work it's way loose.
2. Pull the carpet back, then unscrew the 3 screws holding the metal kickguard bracket in place.
3. Now you'll see a big black box, with 3 connectors/looms coming from it, with the top 1/2 covered in plastic. This is the ECU. The part number is written on it, as shown in the picture. Write this down and please post it here, along with the model/spec of your car!! :)




http://members.iinet.net.au/~bdriver/aussiemagna/ECU_location.jpg

(EDIT: That is the part number right???? :D Or is this a serial number??? Any other TJ1 Advance owners confirm they have the same number? )

Note: You won't have the extra set of wires near the big red arrows - that's for my Nokia kit :)

MMAL Part No. AW 342756
Bosche Part No. 9260 060 065

Where was the Bosche part number???


I mate's TH Advance has a different number as well. hmmm


(Redav has a 5sp manual ECU btw too)

(Redav has a 5sp manual ECU btw too)


i think thats kinda pointless for this operation

i think thats kinda pointless for this operation
Not really, just confirms that there is a difference between Manual/auto Part numbers

ahhh good point. i'll hav 2 check mine, seeing it is a TH, i can almost guarantee that the mitsu number will B different, but i'd say the Bosch number is the most important one, coz thats the manufactured number, where the mitsu one would just be for parts sorting and line placement, and the model change-over would probably have some sort of impact on that

I managed to miss where the borsche part number was ???

It may not have been apparent. I had two numbers on the same side whereas yours didn't. I'll post the pic when I get home.

This sounds like a pretty damn groovy idea... I will check my ecu number over the weekend.
I have a TH Exec 4sp Auto

ER.. i have a 4 spd AUTo ALtera 1996

ER.. this threds to long..

Is it possible and what do i need to do?
lOl!!!

Interesting, please keep us informed about your progress. I will post the numbers of a 97 Verada 4spd Auto tomorrow when I get around to doing it. Hope it is of some help :D

Here's mine.

ER.. this threds to long..

Is it possible and what do i need to do?
lOl!!!
SUMMARY SO FAR:

1. Electrically, connecting it up seems easy as a simple rewire.
2. ***BUT*** the big catch - no one knows if the ECU on our models is programmed to work with it. Hence I'm wanting to know ECU numbers.

AHH HA!!!!!!
MAn that made life a LOT Easyer...
ECU number...
Ring local MITUBI and get the guy to quote the Number...
they have it on their computer system i think..
i will check it if you want, Ecu number hey... :roll:

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Hey All.

Where is the ECU located? Sorry for being so naive. :p

Cheers,
--Tonba
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AHH HA!!!!!!
MAn that made life a LOT Easyer...
ECU number...
Ring local MITUBI and get the guy to quote the Number...
they have it on their computer system i think..
i will check it if you want, Ecu number hey... :roll:

IF you'd read the entire thread - I said I've already tried this, and they couldn't help me. They had NFI when they tried to look on the computers. (see first post, 2nd quote - it's a bullet point) :)

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Where is the ECU located? Sorry for being so naive. :p


Directly behind the center ashtray/cig lighter under the dash.

It can be accessed from the footwells.

just letting you know I haven't got anywhere yet with looms, still trying.
Hopefully get the ECU No tommorrow.
Tried to get info on the Bosch ECU Pt No, no luck. Need to get the people who put this baby together.

AH BTW, I found my borsh part number - it was on top of the ECU. I'll have to check my photos to see what it actually was. It was VERY hard to see, well impossble to see without poking the camera lens in!

Hey Driver,
I've been out of the circle for quite a while :( , I'm keen to get back into this. Thought I'd better let you know, haven't forgotten just had a major priority change :confused: .

Hey guys
ive been watching this thread with interest - i have a TH sports tiptronic - would it help if i were to get you the part number from my ecu? isnt that the one you are trying to compare it to?

let me know, cos i will look if its required, but if its not needed i dont really wanna pull apart my car (again!)

GuRu

Hi guys

I too haven't had much time lately to look in to this. I've found the bosch part number for my ECU - it was actaully on top of the ECU box - which made reading impossible without poking a camera lens in and hoping for the best :D

Guru - YES PLEASE!!! By all means!

OK mate ill have a looksie at some stage tomorrow k? :)

Any progress on this, you have us all interested? :D

I wounder how much an ecu + shifter would be???

how many kw's are the TH sports?.......

Oops sorry guys i completely forgot about it - ill have a squiz on the weekend for the ecu p/no - sorry wont get any time to do it b4 then
:rant:

Ah yes I've kinda forgot about this too :D I've got my proper ECU number somewhere too.

Im also very interested in this topic. Looking forward to how things turn out and the possible tippy conversion :cool: .

OK guys i know im a slack ***** - i finally got the ECU number for you - although i could only get the mitsu one - the bosch one was unreadable and i didnt have a camera to stick in the hole so i could read it out - if you really need the bosch one then ill have to organise that one for you

the Mitsu part number is : MD 364764 OR it could have been MD 384764 - im pretty sure its the first one though - my eyeballs dont see around corners too well and the 6 (0r 8) was blurry - i think its a 6 though.

GuRu

I've been lazy too... Here's my BOSCH Part number: F005 E0 0053

There was also "DOM 3.5L" written on top of the ECU box too. That certinally suggusts that the 3.0 and 3.5 have different ECUs then??

Are there any 3.0 tiptronic sports or verada around?

The other week I had the firmware on my ECU upgraded, as I had been having a bit of a 4->3 kickdown issue.

I didn't even think then, but I should've asked them if they use the same firmware for all 4sp automatic magna's or if they have a different one for each model.

If they use the same firmware for both 4sp auto Exec's as well as 4sp tiptronic Verada's, then that'd mean that the software is the same!

Anyone have contacts at a service department to verify this?

The other week I had the firmware on my ECU upgraded, as I had been having a bit of a 4->3 kickdown issue.

I didn't even think then, but I should've asked them if they use the same firmware for all 4sp automatic magna's or if they have a different one for each model.

If they use the same firmware for both 4sp auto Exec's as well as 4sp tiptronic Verada's, then that'd mean that the software is the same!

Anyone have contacts at a service department to verify this?
Dude,
Just ring your guys and ask them. Most of the contact people I talk to have to be reminded of what a car is!

Would it help if I gave you my details 5 sp Trip?

driver I've been lazy too... Here's my BOSCH Part number: F005 E0 0053
and heres my BOSCH Part number: F005 E0 0033
and MD364762

driver is your car 5spd or 4spd?

AllPaw - By all means have a look!

TH smoker - I have a 4sp automatic.

OK guys i know im a slack ***** - i finally got the ECU number for you - although i could only get the mitsu one - the bosch one was unreadable and i didnt have a camera to stick in the hole so i could read it out - if you really need the bosch one then ill have to organise that one for you

the Mitsu part number is : MD 364764 OR it could have been MD 384764 - im pretty sure its the first one though - my eyeballs dont see around corners too well and the 6 (0r 8) was blurry - i think its a 6 though.

GuRu

We realy need the bosch part number............
if they are the same ill try and wire mine up as a tippy

OK ill get that for ya ..

OK ill get that for ya ..

thanks........i hope it works

OK this is the BOSCH part number for my TH Sports 4 speed tiptronic: f005 e0 0032
different to TH Smokers :( although not much of a change in model number though

Actually, this IS possibly looking good!
Wild Guess: Maybe the last 4 digits are a software/firmware revision number? (eg: the version of firmware that came stock with the car?)

My TJ Is newer than your TH's, and the last four digits are higher on mine than yours. What's the build date for you guys?

Summary:

Username....Make...................Build.....Bosch Part.......MMAL Part....
================================================== =========================
Driver.......TJ Advance 3.5L 4sp...11/2000...F 005 E00 053.....MR514408.....
TH Smoker....TH Advance 3.5L 4sp...07/1999...F 005 E00 033.....MD364762.....
Phils TH.....TH Exec....3.5L 4sp...05/1999...F 005 E00 033.....MD364762.....
GuRu.........TH Sports Tiptronic...??/1999...F 005 E00 032.....MD364764.....
.................................................. .........................
.................................................. .........................
And comparing to a Manual ECU...
ReDav........TF 3.0 5sp Manual.....??/1997...9 260 060 065.....AW342756....



IF more automatic AND tiptronic people could check their BOSCH ECU Part numbers, that would be great! Might be able to see a pattern in the numbering then!!

This is looking good

TH Smoker....TH Advance 3.5L 4sp...07/1999...F005 E0 0033.....MD364762.....

I'm thinking the MMAL part number might actually be a serial number now?

driver...............i think this is GuRu's MMAL part number MD 364764

Yes it is - i would think that the single advance in one digit would probably only be a software revision at the most.. if you were redesigning a tranny ECU, and made some major changes wouldnt you change the model number more than just one digit?

Ill get you the build date of my car later on, and i also may have access to a TH 4sp auto 99 that i _may_ be able to get the ECU number from..
Lets hope we can do something for the TH owners out there !
GuRu

Yeah finaly I got it Driver.

Username PhilsTH MakeTH (Exec equivelant) Build 5/99 Bosch PartF005 E0 0033 MMAL PartMD364762. Also under the barcode is 6G74 DOM (eng code ??).

Found out some stuff this arvo.
Mitsu told me to ring EMF the ECU repair place that they use.
I spoke with Trevor (very helpful) and he told me that they repair heaps of TR/S ECU's but without the Mitsu MUTII they can't do anything with the later ones.
However they are OBDII and you should be able to hook in and view diag stuff.
I asked about changing the "Firmware" and his response was "the software is encrypted :mad: and loaded into each ECU with the MUTTII in the car to match the car. Can't do anything with them out of the car, yet.
Gotta have a MUTII to play with it Bugger.
The 3.0l TH is a MD364761.

Is this right?

if i put my car in D and hold in the swich for 3rd, this puts it into "sports mode"
then if i hit the swich for 2nd it will go up a gear and hitting the 1st swich will change down a gear?

so in theroy this will work if the software is the same

Is this right?

if i put my car in D and hold in the swich for 3rd, this puts it into "sports mode"
then if i hit the swich for 2nd it will go up a gear and hitting the 1st swich will change down a gear?

so in theroy this will work if the software is the same

Correct! (AFAIK :D)

That's the theory. The thing is no one knows the side effects if the software isn't the same, or is locked, etc.

Correct! (AFAIK :D)

That's the theory. The thing is no one knows the side effects if the software isn't the same, or is locked, etc.

Well the looks like my auto and ecu are on line this weekend ,someone's got to try it!!!!!

:bowrofl:
lets all pray to the magna gods that this works :)
in theory anyway the ECU should control everything so it shouldnt cause any mechanical issues considering the ECU procersses things for a second or two before actually making any mechanical changes in the gearbox (ie, you dont change the switch and the box just changes a servo or pump or whatever, theres logic behind it)
and by pushing more than one switch at a time your not shorting anything out - just confusing it ?
(no responsibility taken for misinformation! just typing my thoughts out loud!)

yeah I've have to agree with Guru. But likewise, I can't be 100% - since It's not the standard operation for our models, nor do I know the full design.

Of course if you do try it, I'd do it at idle/low speeds first, before doing a traffic light GP take off :p

Remember...(I hope I have this correct)...that once tiptronic mode is enabled, the L/2/3/D console lights should say which gear is selected.

Guru - Shifting the tiptronic up/down when idle will change the gear display correct???

Fingers crossed eh!

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As a side note:

The Bosch Part numbers acording to Borsh.com.au site are in the format of x xxx xxx xxx - numbers spaced/arranged differently.

yeah I've have to agree with Guru. But likewise, I can't be 100% - since It's not the standard operation for our models, nor do I know the full design.

Of course if you do try it, I'd do it at idle/low speeds first, before doing a traffic light GP take off :p

Remember...(I hope I have this correct)...that once tiptronic mode is enabled, the L/2/3/D console lights should say which gear is selected.

Guru - Shifting the tiptronic up/down when idle will change the gear display correct???

Fingers crossed eh!

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As a side note:

The Bosch Part numbers acording to Borsh.com.au site are in the format of x xxx xxx xxx - numbers spaced/arranged differently.

I think the tiptronics actually have a different instrument cluster.

Just had a quick look today and found something that could be very helpful
could this be the plug for tippy?????
its a 4 pin plug with. blue/white, black ,red/black and blue wire's

GuRu could you please do us a faver and pull your cup holders out to see if yours is pluged in?

TH Smoker - Is there a connector number printed/moulded on the connector? Something Like B-xx???? I will check the service manual when i get home to find out what it is.


I think the tiptronics actually have a different instrument cluster.They do, expect for TJ Series 2 with 4sp Tiptronic, which lights up in this fashion.

The dash display wiring is exactly the same anyway. The variation between models is just for the layout and text displayed next to it.

TH Smoker - Is there a connector number printed/moulded on the connector? Something Like B-xx???? I will check the service manual when i get home to find out what it is.

They do, expect for TJ Series 2 with 4sp Tiptronic, which lights up in this fashion.

The dash display wiring is exactly the same anyway. The variation between models is just for the layout and text displayed next to it.

yep, on the back grey bit there is a A6, on the middel white bit there is a A4, and on the front brey bit there is A12

My car a connector there as well - white, with a gray tap on the top. I only peeled the footwell carpet back, so I couldn't find out the writing.

(How does the cup holder bit come out??? :confused: lol )

I'll check the manual now to see WTF it is :D

CRAP!! There's no connector listed for A-4, A-6 or A-12.

"A-" would mean Engine Bay Wiring though?

Connector B-100 (8 pins) should be the connector the tiptronic shifter, along with B-99 (2pins)for the light that comes on when in tiptronic mode

So any other guesses as to what it is???

CRAP!! There's no connector listed for A-4, A-6 or A-12.

"A-" would mean Engine Bay Wiring though?

Connector B-100 (8 pins) should be the connector the tiptronic shifter, along with B-99 (2pins)for the light that comes on when in tiptronic mode

So any other guesses as to what it is???

iv got no idea what it could be............i cant think of anything!!!!!!
to pull cup holders out place gear in N put handbreak on first!, open the center console, place your hand just back past the coin holder and pull it up and pull it out, the whole lot just unclips

It's annoying, the list of connetors has heaps of others, but skips those!!!

Are you able to trace where the wires run to? If you can get some pin / connector numbers at the other end, that might shed some light on it.

ill have a look now........lol
brb

had a look and they go strait up into a main harnes

Guys,
Be careful with the gear lights for the dash, the tippy has got a different set it includes 4th and D so when in tippy, 4th rather than D is on. The other big difference is for the Tippy 1/2/3/4/ lights are driven from ECU O/Ps, D is driven from the tippy/manual select s/w and P/R/N tapped of the i/p to the ECU from gear select s/w on trans. In the standard auto all the lights are tapped of the I/p to the ECU from the slector s/w on the transmission.

So one ECU is O/Ping and the other is I/Ping the book shows both ECUs O/P or I/P thru a Voltage Divider Network, or pull down set up to prevent the O/P floating which may offer some protection to the internals

I'm having a look into the conector you found at the moment, do you have cruise or traction control it could be one of them.

Edit
Driver, I did ask him but he was unsure as they have not been able to play with anything after TS, damn MUTII. To my question "do you think the ECUs are different or just software? he said "prob diff computer knowing Mitsu" :rant: (this was just his opinion though).

iv got no idea what it could be............i cant think of anything!!!!!!
to pull cup holders out place gear in N put handbreak on first!, open the center console, place your hand just back past the coin holder and pull it up and pull it out, the whole lot just unclips
Could it be the thingie for the car phone. I recall some people talking about a plug under the centre console for a phone connection??? :confused:

Ah yes, it could be.
The phone connection is 4 wires.

well its looks like we are stuck again..........it there any way we can test the plug? eg test light or a multimeter

I'd say it's the phone connection.

(Mobile kits use 4 wires, and going by what other people have said previously)

Yeah i think it is the phone one mine isnt connected to anything (i wish i knew about this before re-wiring my head unit loom adaptor to fit the car kit!! :rant: )

in your pic, to the left there is one cable probably going to a switch? on mine, there is two of those, one goes to the front switch of the tiptronic, and the other to the back.
oh and for the part / model number matrix, mine was built march 99.
Also what philsth said is right, when you put it into tip mode, the D light goes out and it illuminates a second bank of lights 1-4.

hrm - with the new information id be a bit wary about giving it a go mate!
surely the service manual can give some more info?

However TJ series 2, 4 speed tiptronic, still uses the original dash display as the stock auto.

When i last looked at the circuit diagram, It appeared that the "4" position was wired to the "D" position.

Just to be 100% sure - I will CHECK THIS again, then post a side by side diagram from by the book.

now it aint looking good........
driver.......if you were going to do it how would you do it?

I've just been looking at the diagrams again....


Guys,
Be careful with the gear lights for the dash, the tippy has got a different set it includes 4th and D so when in tippy, 4th rather than D is on. The other big difference is for the Tippy 1/2/3/4/ lights are driven from ECU O/Ps, D is driven from the tippy/manual select s/w and P/R/N tapped of the i/p to the ECU from gear select s/w on trans. In the standard auto all the lights are tapped of the I/p to the ECU from the slector s/w on the transmission.

So one ECU is O/Ping and the other is I/Ping the book shows both ECUs O/P or I/P thru a Voltage Divider Network, or pull down set up to prevent the O/P floating which may offer some protection to the internals OK - correct me if I'm wrong, but your talking about the Verada model here, that has the 1/2/3/4/D/N/R/P dash display?

Your right, it does have differences here.

For thoese interested, here's the circuit diagram, I've marked some key points in yellow:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~bdriver/aussiemagna/auto2tiptronic/verada&sports.gif

Now, looking back at the original 4speed Auto....
http://members.iinet.net.au/~bdriver/aussiemagna/auto2tiptronic/4sp-auto.gif
...so Phill is correct here, there's no line driver on ECU Pin 128 (for "D" dash light on standard auto's VS tiptronic's with "4" for 4th)

However, now lets look at the TJ Series 2 (March 2002+ production) the circuit diagram, which looks like this....
http://members.iinet.net.au/~bdriver/aussiemagna/auto2tiptronic/tj2-4sp-tiptronic.gif
...notice here how the there's still no line driver on 128, just like the stock auto's? Also notice how the Dash lights are still just D/3/2/L - again like the normal auto. (The Dash connector wiring IS different though, however electrically it does the exact same thing, since the ECU output side is still the same. Along with connector B-105 too for that matter.

I have this Paint Shop Pro 7 file that has layers, and varying the layer visibity helps pickup the differences.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~bdriver/aussiemagna/auto2tiptronic/magna trans.psp (http://members.iinet.net.au/~bdriver/aussiemagna/auto2tiptronic/magna%20trans.psp)

Excuse my tinkering in this, but prehaps you could consider changing the ecu to suit the tiptronic shifter?? As i understand it, it controls the tranny anyways, but wat kind of effect would that have on the rest of the the car?? Good bad.. i dunno...

If that did work.. and you paid a little visit to your local wreckers.. snapped up the ecu and a shifter.. and possibly another couple of things to do with console gear lights and the like.. could that work??? It may be an alternative....

Replacing the ECU would be an expensive solution, then you'd have to deal with possible side effects of things not being compatible.

Which reminds me, power output is different between TH 147kw / TJ 150kw / TJ2 155kW too.

TH->TJ introduced some camshaft? alteration. Then TJ2 there some something else changed? I wonder if they've changed ecu air/fuel maps as well? Or even worse: Only added ECU/tiptronic logic then??? (Assuming Sports/Verada are using a different ECU again, since they have that extra line driver on pin 128)

Speaking of which....
Is there a chance that the service manual is incorrectly printed? On the standard automatic; why didn't they put a line driver on pin 128 anyway? I would've thought they would have since it's driving a 12V lamp??

ok i think iv got it............
pin 110 downshift
pin 122 up shift
pin 108 sports mode on
and ?????

its all good to have them but what do i use to toggle them

i think tiptronic was on models as early as the TF as an optional extra... so maybe if you went with the same series ecu?? Yeah i know .. pricey.. but don't discount the idea yet. It might be worth checking out, imagine a power upgrade as simple as changing from one ecu to another (for older models of course). And like i said try a wreckers ... i have been to a couple who specialise in old crumpledoors who would think an ecu holds the cigarette lighter fuse lol

yeah ill be buying a th sports ecu after i blow mine up trying this
lol

At least then you know you will have the right connections for the tiptronic... haha... oh well, not much fun in this unless you do a little experimenting.

(Public Announcement: Do not take what i say as fact, as it may cause undue stress and a few knocks at my front door. And i really don't wanna have to put the beer down to answer it!!)

ok i think iv got it............
B-111A pin 110 downshift
B-111A pin 122 up shift
B-111A pin 109 sports mode on DRIVER EDIT: NOT 108
and ?????

its all good to have them but what do i use to toggle themEDIT:


For Enabling, connect a TOGGLE on/off switch between the B-111A Pin 102 and B-111A Pin 109 on the ECU connector.

For shifting Up/Down....connect the other side of the MOMENTARY* push button to B-41 Pin 3 (wiring loom end - which connecters to junction box end?...) B-76 Pin 12.

(So "D" selector then goes to the "3" ECU input as well when the switch is on. Remembing D+3 selected at the same time = Tiptronic mode!)


*( holding down button = on, then let go = off again )

hmm applying 12v to circuitry when we are not sure exactly what we are connecting to....

SOUNDS LIKE FUN!!! lol

TH smoker - i just edited my post above with the connections.

It's pin 109 too, not 108 - pin 108 is reverse select...could've been bad! :badgrin:

hmm applying 12v to circuitry when we are not sure exactly what we are connecting to....

SOUNDS LIKE FUN!!! lolThat why I've been reading the Bible...mitsubishi magna service manual! Pages and pages of wiring circuit diagrams - takes a while to find things :s

Ahhh yeah i know, j/k. It was more of a reminder to be sure that you are as close to right is possible before doing anything. That and a little bit of a laugh :D

This really sounds interesting guys :D , If it works, for those guys with normal autos you won't have to buy the tiptronic shifter assembly (unless you want it of course) because I'm sure it wouldn't be to hard to wire up either shift paddles (F1 stats) or shift buttons on the steering wheel (maybe use a steering wheel from another model car if addaptable that has the buttons???) lol

Agreed. This sounds damn awesome....crossing all fingers that this works :bowdown: :bowdown: :pray:

Hi
Brad those ccts threw the proverbial spanner in as I was researching TH ccts and their different, this could account for Your ECU Pt No difference.
In one cct the enable, upshift and downshift are spliced to the 3rd,2nd and low lights quite diff to TH where these all these ****ions use different pins (6pins).
there are only 2 TH auto ccts standard and sports no mention of Verada.

Excellant Very Very interesting Brad got to do lots of reading now Thanks Mate :confused: .
Gotta go out now will look into this further good s**t hey
See Ya.

I just spoke to TH Smoker on MSN...he's doing a test fit right now! We're all about to find out :bowrofl:

Let's all quietly pray for the sake of his car.... :D

I'll let THsmoker post the verdict.

/me watches everyone's suspence :p

:D :D :D :D :D
IT WORKS............ther is still a few bugs but were still working on it
so far we can get 1st and 2nd in sports mode.............there heaps more in it that what we thought

Whooo Hooooo :drama: :bouncin: :clap: :thumbsup:

Excellent!!!! keep us posted on the progress!!!!
:bowrofl:

:D :D :D :D :D
IT WORKS............ther is still a few bugs but were still working on it
so far we can get 1st and 2nd in sports mode.............there heaps more in it that what we thought
WTF!!! That's great!! When I spoke to you on MSN it didn't seem to work??? What did you end up doing?

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After the TH/TJ circuit diagram confusion between PhilsTH & myself, I should confirm that the "D" dash light on the TJ models is wired differently compared to the TH (& older models)!! The TJ has it connected to Pin128 on the ECU, where as the TH has it powered directly from the inhibitor switch (gear selector). Having said that, my latest gut feeling / speculation is that TJ (series 1) has the full TJ2 tiptronic functionally out of the box.

BTW, TH Smoker...what was the easiest way to work on the ECU wiring loom? Did you remove the radio/ashtray part of the dash, or just get to it from the footwells?

WTF!!! That's great!! When I spoke to you on MSN it didn't seem to work??? What did you end up doing?

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After the TH/TJ circuit diagram confusion between PhilsTH & myself, I should confirm that the "D" dash light on the TJ models is wired differently compared to the TH (& older models)!! The TJ has it connected to Pin128 on the ECU, where as the TH has it powered directly from the inhibitor switch (gear selector). Having said that, my latest gut feeling / speculation is that TJ (series 1) has the full TJ2 tiptronic functionally out of the box.

BTW, TH Smoker...what was the easiest way to work on the ECU wiring loom? Did you remove the radio/ashtray part of the dash, or just get to it from the footwells?


hey guys.........well i wont say too much as i will let thsmoker post all the details but we were up till 730 this mornin basically rewirerin the whole bloody front end....lol.......it was realy involving as in i have gone from not knowing how ta read a wireing diagram to bein a marster guru at it in one night....lmao.......we basically had ta re wire the pins at the ecu plug(b111a) so the tranny wires were in triptronic mode and cos the sports mode switch was activated by bridgeing gear 3-4 in the normal mode wireing so they could stand alone to be toggled on and off then by passin plugs and bridgen plugs and 400 ciggies later we are still yet ta figure out the bugs..............................WE WILL GET IT IF IT KILLS US......lol
we are so close ta nailen this it aint funny.......th smoker will fill the blanks for info i just wanted ta let yas know where we are at........... :D :D :D

driver......thanx for the diagram man.........we woulda been stuffed without it :D

You guys are doing awesome, keep it up, we are all interested!!!

I've got everything crossed this works, including all pubic hair LOL :pray:


Driver, how come your not doing this also, you seem to be the master of it all?? :confused:


Hangin out here...this sounds so awesome.....

YAY!! this sounds awesome!, but the big question is, can u grab a tiptronic shifter and whack it where the standard auto used to sit?

Driver, how come your not doing this also, you seem to be the master of it all?? :confused:
Got to take this slowly - don't want any nasty mistakes! But I'm ready to do my test fit now, I just haven't had time yet to rip the car apart! Hopefully within the next few days I'll give it a go :D

YAY!! this sounds awesome!, but the big question is, can u grab a tiptronic shifter and whack it where the standard auto used to sit?
I can't see why not.

hey guys...........

well there is alot more to it than just puttin in a shifter :confused:

we re-wired my TH to a TH sports which is fine........but for some reason we cant get sports mode unless we move the stick back to 3rd, then we can use our buttons for 1st and 2nd only, i think it has something to do with my cluster witch i dont have a daigram for


so if anyone has a daigram for TH sports and TH exec please send it my way!!! :bowdown:

i think it would only take a few hours to do if we knew what to do

thanks

hey
after about 20 hour's of working on the car with Sic VS V6 and hours talking to driver on msn
it looks like it cant be done to the TH's because the BEM (body electrics module) is different :doubt:
but it should work for the TJ's as all of there BEM's look the same, they also look the same as
a TH sports BEM

I beleve driver will be trying this mod very soon so fingers crossed, if he does get it to work ill be getting a TJ BEM to see if thats all we need for the TH

if we do end up getting this to work it would take about 2-3 hour's to do

big thanks to driver and good luck
and thanks Sic VS V6 for helping me into early hours of the morning (7am 2 nights in a row)

cheers

Interesting - would be great if it was just a shifter fitment for the TJ's...

Cheers
Heath Young

Interesting - would be great if it was just a shifter fitment for the TJ's...

We are all about to find out, I've just finished wiring switches to a harness that I'm about to splice in right now :D

*fingers crossed*

Sweeet :)

Hopefully it can be done - I for one will be finding out how much for the shifter from Mitsubishi :)

Cheers
Heath Young

obviously all is not as easy as it seemed, no progress updates?

Ok, I just tried this on my TJ1. Result: This mod doesn't work.

Don't worry, my car still works though :)

Ok, I just tried this on my TJ1. Result: This mod doesn't work.

Don't worry, my car still works though :)

Well that means it must be the ECU!!!!
My car was stuck in 3rd at one stage...........would you belive it was just a fuse!!! lol

I hooked my switches up to a connector block under the dash, so i could disconnect that part if I had to whilst working on the car. I've still got the wire taps in place going to this connector, but nothing connected. Just went for a test drive to check that everything is back to normal automatic mode.

Actually, I wonder if the MUT-II ECU Programmer/tester has a function to enable/disable tiptronic?

Actually, I wonder if the MUT-II ECU Programmer/tester has a function to enable/disable tiptronic?
it sure does, had a look thru the service manual, doens't tell u how to do it any other way :cry:

great to know that this has progressed. i havnt looked at the schematics, but ill view them shortly and see if i can pick out anything that may have been missed out.


Just a word of warning, if you plan to install a new ECU (or replacement/used), you will also need the Security immoboliser module, since the two are programmed to only talk to each other for security reasons. And in that case, either get the keys with it as well, or you will need to reprogramme your existing keys.

it sure does, had a look thru the service manual, doens't tell u how to do it any other way :cry:
So tiptronic can be enabled/disabled via the MUT-II then?

I know INVECS can be switched this way.

Originally Posted by driver Actually, I wonder if the MUT-II ECU Programmer/tester has a function to enable/disable tiptronic?

it sure does, had a look thru the service manual, doens't tell u how to do it any other way :cry:

Does this mean that it can be turned on in the ecu itself?
im not sure what a MUT-II ECU Programmer/tester is?

So Can I Add A Tiptronic Shifter On A 01 Advance

i got this if it helps, its the TH apparently, not sure if the TJ would b different

if theres anything else like this u need, feel free to ask! :D
http://home.iprimus.com.au/dchamberlain/auto.gif

So tiptronic can be enabled/disabled via the MUT-II then?

I know INVECS can be switched this way.

ahhh i thought thats what u were asking... umm doesn't really say anything about that

AHHAHAHHAHAHHAAA!!! i found this... help at all??http://home.iprimus.com.au/dchamberlain/f5a51.gif

Nope sorry Asylum, I've already seen those. I have the Entire TH/TJ/TL manual already. Although the switch assembly did help a lot initally when trying to work out how it was wired.

As for what the MUT-II is, I think this picture best describes it:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~bdriver/aussiemagna/auto2tiptronic/mut-ii.gif
It plugs in to the diag connector under the dash. From what I can gather from reading the general diagnostic instructions in the manual, the unit appears to be menu driven, allowing the operator to enable/disable/reset functions, view error codes, or even test/activiate circuits, like the headlights, horn, central locking and so forth. They also use it to flash firmware, when an optional "ROM Pack" is used.

ok cool, i'm not that technically minded, but what is missing from the TH's that would let us use the tiptronic shifter?

So, basically what you are saying is that the tiptronic setup cannot be done on a car that has not been setup for it originally :( Pity...

But... Maybe a PIC and some smarts maybe able to provide an interface between the transmission and switches... Not an easy endevour. Prolly something like a GAL16V8B - 8 inputs should be OK. The main difficulty is (as metioned before) to need to know exactly what gear the car (ie. gearbox solenoid position) is in in the first place, and then from there which gear to put the car into.

Hrmm... Otherwise, would Mitsu be willing to activate it on the computer?

Cheers
Heath Young

ok cool, i'm not that technically minded, but what is missing from the TH's that would let us use the tiptronic shifter?

this little sucker for a start, witch is in the BEM unit
and then something in the ECU

BEM - Body Electronics Module?

So in a TJ, there is a BEM, but there is no software to run the tiptronic... unfortunate.

Cheers
Heath Young

Well guys this hasn't turned out as hoped.
So how about a change of direction.

I was originally toying with the idea of an add on unit with the capability to drive the gearbox 1st 2nd 3rd 4th soleniod valves directly, with dummy loads on the ECU to simulate the soleniod load.

(float means between accel and deaccel)

Main problems I see is, by over riding what gear the ECU has comanded eg 3rd the I/ps governing gear changes would be getting info related to the actual gear selected 2nd and I don't know what the full effect this would be on the rest of the ECU (don't think it would impact eng managment side), eg locked in 2nd at 80kms with throttle just floating that speed, ECU would command a shift to 3rd then normally 4th if throttle kept at float. Would it kick the speed limiter in if the ECU was in 4th you had 3rd selected at 5000rpm (5000 in 4th 240+).

The other one was to do something similar to the I/Ps to the ECU where 1st 2nd 3rd 4th from the gear select s/w come in (TE? TF?) (TH and TJ before mid march) to the ECU, the only draw back here is this would not lock the gear in totally as the kick down would still function (a bit off putting on the apex), Does the tiptronic still kick down? I would think not.
Could the kick down be disabled.

PS/ BEM body equipment module fitted to 3rd gen magnas not sure about 2nd

I was looking at doing something similar as well.

Use a few inputs - ie. tiptronic on switch, 1st gear solenoid, 2nd gear solenoid, 3rd gear solenoid, 4th gear solenoid, RPM and use these fed into a GAL or something (like a GAL16V8D).

The GAL would then determine what gear the car is currently in (1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th) and then check that the operator is not making a stupid selection, ie, trying to select a gear lower than 1st, or allowing the RPM to get far too high (or selecting a gear that would allow the RPM to climb far too high).

The outputs of the GAL are then used via a darlington pair to drive some relays that simulate the switch actions that would be selected as if by a driver changing the auto box selector position.

As for the kickdown, this is done through throttle position on older cars, not sure about the magnas...

The RPM sensing can probably be ignored, simply because the transmission is ultimatly still controlled by the cars ECU, so RPM limiting and stupid selections are *probably* locked out.

Armed with these inputs, it really isn't difficult to do this with programmable logic.

I may have a go at burning a GAL today and build a prototype - the workshop is pretty quiet today... and I have to use my new toy :)

Cheers
Heath Young

wouldnt you think that the trans ecu would be more tied in with the car ECU though?
surely they must talk more than the engine ecu worrying only about the engine and the trans only about the trans?
on a car thats got a transmission as advanced as this they must interface more than that?!

Heath, have you had any luck with your idea? Sounded very interesting so I had a look around on line to try and find out a bit about the GAL16. 7 years working away from electronics has put me a bit out of touch :redface:.

GuRu, I've been reading the fault charts for the auto and it seems they do talk to each other a bit.

Really nothing new here I'm gunna keep on reading.
:swearing: wouldn't a few schematics of the ECUs' be nice.

A GAL probably isn't the best to use for this, I had a bit of a look - if a PIC is used, it has its own internal clock (so I don't need to mess with xtals etc) and timing/delays are easier to do - GAL's are kinda old tech :P

The solution I was going to put forward was not to run the transmission solenoids directly, but interface to the solenoids for information as to the current gear position, and RPM, and then use the PIC/tiptronic buttons + relays to 'change' gears, much the same as you would if you shifted the gearbox lever manually.

RPM would be used to make sure you didn't try anything stupid, and the solenoid positions would be used to determine what gear to select when you pressed the UP or DOWN buttons - ie. if you are in 3rd, you can only go to 4th (if up) or 2nd (if down).

The other issue is to work out how to cope with the gearbox shifting itself - ie. do we ignore the fact that it will be sitting in 1st at the lights? And if it has been let to slow down from 'D' (4th), the box would happily change as an auto, or if you hit the 'up' button, you would go back to tiptronic mode.

An alternative would be to wait a few seconds on each changedown and then 'move the lever' to that gear?

Some thought is required here I think...

I also think that this thread needs to be split again, with a synopsis from all concerned...

Cheers
Heath Young

i might try this again on the weekend.........there seems to be 2 diffent sets of TH Sports wireing diagrams, so im going to try the other way............i wounder why they changed it?

probly wasteing my time but iv got to try it........

What components would I need to make this work in my TE? I have access to basically a whole car that i can pull to bits that is installed with tiptronic (03).

I want to move minimum things to my car to get this going....so just computer and shifter?

Whats the part numbers of both ECU's?

Is your TE a 3.5L? Both are 4sp auto's? I suspect each model would have a different ECU *programming* eg: air/fuel mapping on it. 147/150/155/163/180kW 3.5L versions, etc.

Swapping ECU's would be easier said than done. Cause then you need to swap the BEM (body electronics module - security/central locking/alarm/blah blah/etc) too.

Thats not to mention any other issues that are bound to surface after such a transplant? :(

do some research on hair replacement............your going to need it after you rip all yours out

this topic still bugs me to death............i feel like we'v missed something somewhere

driver i think you should give it another shot

do some research on hair replacement............your going to need it after you rip all yours out

this topic still bugs me to death............i feel like we'v missed something somewhere

driver i think you should give it another shot
I agree....this topic also bugs me too...you guys were so close and I got so excited....

When I saw this thread come back to life my heart skipped a couple of beats...dammit :cry:

Okay, find me an Mitubishi Engineer :D

I need inside info about how this thing works.

The differences between ECU's is a bit of a mystry. DO they just reflash the same chip with different software? Or just enable some setting in the firmware somehow? Internal ECU Circuit diagrams, ECU source code, Changelogs :D All would be every helpfull!

Okay, find me an Mitubishi Engineer :D

I need inside info about how this thing works.

The differences between ECU's is a bit of a mystry. DO they just reflash the same chip with different software? Or just enable some setting in the firmware somehow? Internal ECU Circuit diagrams, ECU source code, Changelogs :D All would be every helpfull!dude im 90% sure all you have to do is change your 1st 2nd 3rd/4th output pins on the ecu, have a good look at the wiring, youll see what i mean, i had to do it on the TH but i didnt have that F^cked up relay in my BEM, and i had 1st and 2nd sorted just no 3rd/4th give it a go PLEASE im with MARK, PLEASE PLEASE

WE CAN DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

AND it would take you no more that 20min's to do it

Time to bring a dead thread back 2 life :).

I have a few mates who work for Mitsubishi here in Adelaide, one of them being in the Engineering department. He wasn't 2 sure if the conversion was possible so rang up some ECU guru.

Apparantly the gearbox in the Tiptronic Autos and the normal ones are slightly different, he said basically something to do with being able to handle gear shift at higher loads etc. However the standard gearbox would still work under tiptronic, but mighn't last as long.

However the two cars definatley have different ECU's. They aren't actually programmed in the factory, BOSH programs them and sends them straight to the factory. BIG PROBLEM!.

So I'm seeing if theres some way to have the ECU reflashed, but basically at this stage, its impossible.

The extra thingy on the BEM doesnt appear to be the problem, just the actual ECU itself. There is no way to set the car into Tiptronic mode with the MUT :(

Ohwell, ill post later if I can find anything more out.

Very interesting thread. We're planning to convert my auto TH Altera to 5spd Tippy. Have the tippy gear selector, and will plan on doing a full gearbox change too hopefully (once I have the 5spd gearbox... got a 5spd AWD gearbox, anybody wanna swap?). Dad works for Mistu and talked to a few engineers there... it's possible was how it was left, and that included doing some reprogramming to the ECU. Haven't worked out all the details yet. Maybe I'll get him to get some exact details.

Why do you have an AWD box?

Why do you have an AWD box?

It was attached to the new engine I bought :P

Yeah that was about the end of the conversation I had "I suppose it's possible". But like I said the gearboxes are different, and the ECU has to be reflashed or replaced.

So all in all to hard 4 me.

Thos 5spd auto gearboxes from the AWD are pretty good, I picked up a loan car today while my exhaust was geting done, and its an AWD TJ. I like the gear ratios, much better than the 4 spd.

Yeah that was about the end of the conversation I had "I suppose it's possible". But like I said the gearboxes are different, and the ECU has to be reflashed or replaced.

So all in all to hard 4 me.
Yep, I'd have to agree with you there. I'll be getting a new car soon anyway. If it's a Magna, then it WILL be tiptronic this time! (haha :D) Still it's been quite an interesting little project to research. :)

Sorry to drag this thread out but I didn't want to start a new thread unnecessarily.

I like many magna bog 4spd auto owners have contemplated the tiptronic conversion. This thread ended by suggesting it was possible to convert to 4spd t/t at the risk of killing the transmission prematurely. Having scoured the workshop manual, I could not find any difference b/n the normal 4spd and the t/t gearboxes. (Not to say that there isn't small differences.) I have since abandoned this quest and have now began thinking of a complete transmission conversion to 5spd tiptronic.

Has anyone else considered this? Will it bolt straight in?

The parts that I think will need changing to accomodate this are;
Transmission, Inhibitor switch (gear selector), Control harness, Engine-A/T ECU, BEM ECU, Combination Meter (Speedo, gear indicator etc), reprogram keys)

I have a feeling that the harnesses are almost identical (if not exact) since there seems to be redundancy designed into the cables to accomodate the different setups.

I currently do not have traction control. If you get an ECU from a vehicle with traction control, do you need to install this at the same time, or can the ECU happily operate without it. (ie. are you going to get error codes)

Can anyone else shed any light?

Monster.