hi all,

yes i did search and although i didn't find, i'm sure it's been asked before:

firstly go to youtube and type v8 focus. very very very nice. anyway,

i think magnas, (and newer model camry's for that matter) would be popular cars if they were rwd. the mrs has a tj sedan, and it has the tunnel bit that would fit a driveshaft, (i'm assuming it's same chassis & floorpan as awd magnas??), is this the same with all models, and with wagons???

i had a friend who wanted to do burnouts in an awd r32 skyline. $150 later i pulled a fuse out and he had a rwd car. :badgrin:

anyway, question is... i assume an awd conversion is relatively (albeit expensive) simple. with an ew mounted engine is rwd alone (as opposed to awd) easy enough without chassis mods? can it be done on a te/tf wagon??

i know it's a noob question to you magna buffs, and if i wanted a super fast car for drag apps i'd just solid mount a crate motor, and no i wouldn't bother trying to search for an 8a80? motor to keep it in the family.

also i found the post about the guy with the valiant, what rwd chassis would fit a magna body? i don't have any intention of doing it i'm just curious

Ok ill bite

Stupidest idea ever.

Ill add to it, stupidest idea so far ive read on this forum, beats twin pods by far.

If you want to go sideways in a v8 commodore or falcon works.

why bother?
if your going to blow that much money,youd be better off starting with a falcadore or something.
maybe if you were building a full on drag car with a difference ,but a te wagon?hmmmm

Ok ill bite

Stupidest idea ever.

Its not a stupid idea, having a RWD magna would be awesome, however, the money and/or time involved in my opinion would be unjustifiable...

It is just like the people on other car forums laughing at your boosted Magna

Its not a stupid idea, having a RWD magna would be awesome, however, the money and/or time involved in my opinion would be unjustifiable...

It is just like the people on other car forums laughing at your boosted Magna

Eh they can laugh all they want, end of the day i got a 60+hp increase for a little over 4,000 bucks, that isnt a bad return.

lol

it's not the stupidest idea ever, it was just a bunch of rambling that made you miss the question!!!

to convert an awd car to rwd, it's usually as easy as a fuse. with a fwd magna, converting it to awd is as easy as changing the drivetrain. the question is not a v8, the question is::

does the wagon have the tunnel that the sedans do where a tail shaft would fit, and to put power to the rear wheels can you put the gearbox directly onto the transfer case and only to the rear wheels, or with a transverse motor is it required to be awd??? can you put "lazy" axles up the front, or does it still need to have drive shafts going to the front wheels?

lol

it's not the stupidest idea ever, it was just a bunch of rambling that made you miss the question!!!

to convert an awd car to rwd, it's usually as easy as a fuse. with a fwd magna, converting it to awd is as easy as changing the drivetrain. the question is not a v8, the question is::

does the wagon have the tunnel that the sedans do where a tail shaft would fit, and to put power to the rear wheels can you put the gearbox directly onto the transfer case and only to the rear wheels, or with a transverse motor is it required to be awd??? can you put "lazy" axles up the front, or does it still need to have drive shafts going to the front wheels?

Ok i can understand that question, short answer no, the FWD floorpan is completely different to the AWD pan, the rear subframe is different, fuel tank, pickup, suspension is all different as well as gearbox mounting points.

The AWD box is mechanical so you cannot make it RWD without somehow blocking off the front section of the transfer case, many have tried, none have sucessfully done it as of yet.

Oh and there was never any AWD wagons made either.

thankyou sir. i know i beat around the bush but that's all i was asking. i assume if it was simple it would have been done before. work car it is... and i shall be buying another motorbike!!! 10k on 2 wheels gets you faster than 30 on 4!!

great ideo in some respects,id love to leave two black lines from the lights,
instead of jackhamering forward like the floor might break apart.
would this be easier with an awd sedan base car start point?

Ok ill bite

Stupidest idea ever.

Ill add to it, stupidest idea so far ive read on this forum, beats twin pods by far.

If you want to go sideways in a v8 commodore or falcon works.

mate in my opinion your $4000 mods on your car worth $4000 (if that) is stupid.. especially to gain only 60hp... but hey, thats only my opinion isnt it...

no need to shut the new guy down.. he doesnt know, hence why his asking the questions....

subkulcha, its to hard mate... different ppl have looked at it a few times and its not worth the $$$ ... also, not many AWD cars are as simple as removing a fuse to make them RWD... the r32 gtr skyline is quite unique there....

great ideo in some respects,id love to leave two black lines from the lights,
instead of jackhamering forward like the floor might break apart.
would this be easier with an awd sedan base car start point?

As i said in previous post, noone afaik has done it yet, my original plan with the KW of mine was just to overwhelm the entire drivetrain so you could get all 4 spinning with 30psi of boost and around 800+nm of torque.

thanks for the info.... tbh so far magnas have disappointed me. i like the look of them, i don't mind driving them, it's just that.... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. mitsubishi could have made things easier for people who want to muck about with them!!!! btw seriously seriously have a look at the 351 powered focus on youtube, it'll make ya think that if you can do that, why shouldn't i be allowed to dream of sticking the jet engine from the donut king van in the back of a te wagon!!!! :D

thanks for the info.... tbh so far magnas have disappointed me. i like the look of them, i don't mind driving them, it's just that.... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. mitsubishi could have made things easier for people who want to muck about with them!!!! btw seriously seriously have a look at the 351 powered focus on youtube, it'll make ya think that if you can do that, why shouldn't i be allowed to dream of sticking the jet engine from the donut king van in the back of a te wagon!!!! :D

Well yeah you can put anything into nearly anything these days, LS1 powered Mini coopers etc, comes down to money, skill and whether you are prepared to do it.

As for Gremlin, ive seen people on this forum, put 4k into there cars and get next to nothing out of it, and before you owned the evo, you were also looking at these sort of things. I decided to SC the TH because i wanted to, wasnt just going to talk about unlike a lot of people on here, actions speak louder then words.

if your good friends with engineers/mechanics who are prepared for a challenge
anythings possible,but maybe a vt wagon or subaru legacy wagon have more potential?

nice thought but this car is free so i was just curious. it shall now get wheels if it's lucky, and the rest of the time, carry parts for whatever car or bike i decide to make a project of.

As for Gremlin, ive seen people on this forum, put 4k into there cars and get next to nothing out of it, and before you owned the evo, you were also looking at these sort of things. I decided to SC the TH because i wanted to, wasnt just going to talk about unlike a lot of people on here, actions speak louder then words.

yes i looked at that kinda thing...

respect goes to you for being different..

as i said its just my opinion...

great ideo in some respects,id love to leave two black lines from the lights,
instead of jackhamering forward like the floor might break apart.
would this be easier with an awd sedan base car start point?Being RWD doesn't guarantee you won't experience axle tramp either.

Being RWD doesn't guarantee you won't experience axle tramp either.

true story

you wouldnt be worth even considering as a road car. but i do remember a few years ago on this forum there wa sa photo geting around of a dragster magna which ithink was based in QLD. ran 8's i beleave. it was real wheel drive and V8. i just spent a while trolling the web for pics but had no luck

I wish there was an AWD magna wagon so bad, wonder if thats a feasable project, but would prob be cheaper to get a stagea...

The reason you can pull a fuse on a skyline to make it RWD is it has a torque splitter, which works much like a torque convertor. However, for it to be fully locked (and have a 50/50 split in torque to all 4 wheels) is through a high pressure oil pump that feeds oil into the assembly.

The computer regulates how much pressure, and therefore how much it locks.

You remove the fuse, and no extra oil goes into the torque splitter, and all your torque goes to the rear wheels.

I'll assume Magna's work through some sort of reduction gear, a rather cheap and nasty way of attaining AWD.

i looked in to this when i built my magna to make it awd but it was 10k to have the floor pan made to suit the tail shaft and diff.

there is a tercel (awd corolla wagon) in hornsby running a 253 with auto box and a nine inch diff.he dose conversions like this.he also made a rwd ae82 corolla that i know of so its possibale but costly.

tercels are the ugliest thing known to man!!!
http://www.tacn.nl/Meetings/Passau%202005/Tercel4WD.jpg

I wish there was an AWD magna wagon so bad, wonder if thats a feasable project, but would prob be cheaper to get a stagea...
awd or not, using the awd platform to make it rwd in magnas is pointless.. if u do even disconnect the front diff so that no power is going to it, there will be a significant power loss when it gets to the rear diff (i asked someone this a few years ago, so i could be wrong)

The reason you can pull a fuse on a skyline to make it RWD is it has a torque splitter, which works much like a torque convertor. However, for it to be fully locked (and have a 50/50 split in torque to all 4 wheels) is through a high pressure oil pump that feeds oil into the assembly.

The computer regulates how much pressure, and therefore how much it locks.

You remove the fuse, and no extra oil goes into the torque splitter, and all your torque goes to the rear wheels.

I'll assume Magna's work through some sort of reduction gear, a rather cheap and nasty way of attaining AWD.
Magna AWD's are Evo VI GT-A from the tranny back with a vicious centre and LSD rear. Even I looked into this, to get some sort of semblence of RWD I fiqure the only real way would be to get a centre diff out of a EVO VIII or IX and grab a diff controller from Motec.
Motec make these for EVO VII on so you can send upto 80% of the drive to the rear, but disables the Yaw control.
I asked Motec if this will work in AWD magnas, they were unsure and the only way was to buy one and plug it in.

or just buy a legnum !! ttv6 awd!!!

tercels are the ugliest thing known to man!!!
http://www.tacn.nl/Meetings/Passau%202005/Tercel4WD.jpg
Which gives you more reason to make it go fast. Imagine being beaten by THAT.

Magna AWD's are Evo VI GT-A from the tranny back

evo vii not vi

theres no evo vi gta's

evo vii not vi

theres no evo vi gta's

Correct

You will find that the rear diff and assembly is evo 6 the center diff etc is from the 7

Correct

You will find that the rear diff and assembly is evo 6 the center diff etc is from the 7

nah id say it would be an evo7 RS rear diff.... there is no reason why mitsu would use an older model diff

rear diff is basically the same in 4-9 anyway ... the later models (7-9) are suppose to be stronger but a 7,8,9 rear diff fits straight into a 4,5 or 6 with no modications at all.. bolts straight and looks exactly the same ...

the rear diff in the magna would be out of an RS though not the GTA or GSR as they have AYC...

alot of guys with gsr's do get rid of the AYC and go with an RS rear diff but it takes a bit of mucking around to fit it...

evo vii not vi

theres no evo vi gta's
My mistake thats what I meant, didn't proof read properly

My mistake thats what I meant, didn't proof read properly

:D ..

you'll find most people who have such ideas would never have the skills/balls to try them so they are quickly struck down by people who don't have the skills/balls to understand how it would work.

People in the states regularly convert awd 3000gt boxes to fwd and fwd have been altered to awd components.

Due to the east west engine location and current model differences the easiest way would entail the use of the awd gbox converted to be rwd. This would be the most complex step in the process and in most cases would require a specialist.
The floorpan would need to be altered to fit the new drive train also gained from the awd magna and the exhaust would need to be altered.
Custom fuel tank would need to made of course and rear crossmembers swapped or modified for the awd items.
Overall not really unachievable or worth it.

Someone with welding skills and an understanding of these simple mechanical systems could make it happen though it probably would cost a bit. At the end of the day such overhauls on a car which is in basically a daily driver in 100% of cases is quite silly. If you want a rwd magna buy a commodore or a falcon unless you're awesome mechanic.

I personally prefer awd idea as i like the idea of a powerful car stepping out fighting for traction rather than ripping a line locky; something a gutless 20yr old car ie vk with rubbish suspension can achieve bro. So why not buy an awd magna?? maybe you've spend alot on you current car. Its only a car but ppl get attached; thats fine.

you'll find most people who have such ideas would never have the skills/balls to try them so they are quickly struck down by people who don't have the skills/balls to understand how it would work.

People in the states regularly convert awd 3000gt boxes to fwd and fwd have been altered to awd components.

Due to the east west engine location and current model differences the easiest way would entail the use of the awd gbox converted to be rwd. This would be the most complex step in the process and in most cases would require a specialist.
The floorpan would need to be altered to fit the new drive train also gained from the awd magna and the exhaust would need to be altered.
Custom fuel tank would need to made of course and rear crossmembers swapped or modified for the awd items.
Overall not really unachievable or worth it.

Someone with welding skills and an understanding of these simple mechanical systems could make it happen though it probably would cost a bit. At the end of the day such overhauls on a car which is in basically a daily driver in 100% of cases is quite silly. If you want a rwd magna buy a commodore or a falcon unless you're awesome mechanic.

I personally prefer awd idea as i like the idea of a powerful car stepping out fighting for traction rather than ripping a line locky; something a gutless 20yr old car ie vk with rubbish suspension can achieve bro. So why not buy an awd magna?? maybe you've spend alot on you current car. Its only a car but ppl get attached; thats fine.

lol the question wasn't intended to cause such a stir, however it's at least left me with no doubt that it's similar to several other car projects...

everything is doable it's just rarely ever worth it. there are several suggestions to buy a falcon or a commo or something, and if i was buying a car, it wouldn't be one of those 2 but it would be rwd. it's just that the magna is costing me a grand total of $0, and it's worth sweet fa to sell, so just wanted to scope both the expense and difficulty of a conversion.

sounds like a right royal pain in the ****.... however i may just load the back of the wagon up with car parts to bring home to get a lot of kw out of an sr20det, then after it's run in and running good times, i'll take the matt black datsun 200b body that's been embarrassing you off, and stick a tercel body right on top just to make you hate me.

for what it's worth though, there's so many people saying that it's a difficult and too expensive project, hopefully it inspires someone to do it just to prove it can be done and done well!!!!

As i said in previous post, noone afaik has done it yet, my original plan with the KW of mine was just to overwhelm the entire drivetrain so you could get all 4 spinning with 30psi of boost and around 800+nm of torque.

This is an infinitely better idea than an incredibly messy rwd conversion! AWD, with enough power, will beat 2WD every time, on any surface. I think the main reason some people don't like AWD cars is they do everything in a clean, undramatic way, with no childish tyre smoke.

i've often wondered why there was a bump in the rear floor which seriously looks like its hiding a driveshaft.... and could i instal an esky in it?

i've often wondered why there was a bump in the rear floor which seriously looks like its hiding a driveshaft.... and could i instal an esky in it?

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haha thats quality - that is so bloody australian.

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haha thats quality - that is so bloody australian.+1, heard plenty of worse ideas in my time, bahahaha

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:
haha thats quality - that is so bloody australian.

well honestly, if its just an empty tunnel under there, whats to stop somebody from closing it in underneath, opening it up on top and insulating it. i'll admit i havent had a look under mine, but you can guess what i'm doing when i wake up tomoro!

does a legnum motor fit in a magna?? or are they the same motors as galants?

could i instal an esky in it?
hmm that is quite a good idea
i wonder how big you could make it
maybe fit a turkey in there... or a full slab

does a legnum motor fit in a magna?? or are they the same motors as galants?

Short answer Yes, but no.

There is a few things with the conversion, one is the rear turbo wastegate solenoid on the TDO4's fouls against the gear linkages on the magna/veradas, also you need to chop out 1 engine mount. The hardest bit about the lot is the gearbox, either a custom made flywheel/bellhousing/ clutch combo be made to mate the original gearbox, or a FWD box out of a FTO bolts up, needs a adaptor of sorts as the CV's will be unaligned and will cause immature wear.

CV's will be unaligned and will cause immature wear.

bloody hell, this sounds bad. Have you got some examples of immature wear????

bloody hell, this sounds bad. Have you got some examples of immature wear????

With it being misaligned, you can outwear one side of the input part of the CV into the GB, as it is harder against that teeth side, you can see it every now and again in xr5t when the rear mount gives in the ghost (old mans having that issue now) causes a grinding noise on acceleration. It wont effect the outer cv's much if at all, might cause some vibration through the setup though.

I think he meant premature wear.

I think he meant premature wear.

Ahh yes i did my bad :bowrofl: was on the crownies until late in the evening last night

Money aside, anything can be done. Just take a look at the work that goes into a show winning hot rod.

Remember there is already one in Vic, it is the one here in Bayswater that was done with suicide doors, started as a TJ body and then when near complete got made into a TL

Long of the short is that you could use the back end from a AWD cut into the wagon body, make a tunnel, turn around the motor and mount the little sucker like a pajero, perhaps use a Triton gear box. I was looking to do this with a 3.0l into a scorpion a couple of years back, only could not find a damn car as all the ones for sale at the time were the early models.

Now take the $$ factor back in, I would not even want to guess the cost but it would be worth much more than the car. Having said that, you would not do it to sell the car so who cares anyway!!!! Like my XT, I have spent many more $$ on that than I will ever hope to get back

so how hard is it to fit a triton 2.4l motor and box with custom tailshaft, exhaust and lets say a old galant or nissan bluebird diff on the 4 link set up? i used to own a gd wagon and the diff center wasn't that big. would be able to lower the car to the ground after it was done though.

so how hard is it to fit a triton 2.4l motor and box with custom tailshaft, exhaust and lets say a old galant or nissan bluebird diff on the 4 link set up? i used to own a gd wagon and the diff center wasn't that big. would be able to lower the car to the ground after it was done though.

How hard? well you still need to make a transmission tunnel, engine mounts, move fuel tank, and fab the whole rear end to suit a RWD setup - ****ty motor or good motor, will still cost a ton. Thats said If i knew how to weld I'd have a RWD magna....weather or not it'd work would be another issue LOLOLOL

Well yeah you can put anything into nearly anything these days, LS1 powered Mini coopers etc,


27 litre RR Meteor engine into a Rover SD1

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=975349&postcount=1968

sorry to be a negative nancy

all this rwd magna stuff is all talk...and before all you hardcore enthusiasts go out and say "there is RWD magna's, that ugly red one with suicide doors and that white one with the 5.0L V8 in it blah blah" I don't care

I'm talking about a street registered RWD magna, until i see or hear about someone engineering one for normal road use. then i'll shut up.

My honest opinon, anyone who converts a magna to RWD will never visit AMC unless told about it, and if a particular person did log on to these forums to show off a RWD magna that he/she converted, there would be the one idiot here who ruin it for everyone and say something stupid like "you should of bought a commodore", there would then be a horrible downward spiral of abusive comments, also a few bannings and then the person with the first ever known RWD street registered magna would never visit the site again hence killing any chance to get any real information on how to do such a project.

Sing it like it is brother!! lol

sorry to be a negative nancy

all this rwd magna stuff is all talk...and before all you hardcore enthusiasts go out and say "there is RWD magna's, that ugly red one with suicide doors and that white one with the 5.0L V8 in it blah blah" I don't care

I'm talking about a street registered RWD magna, until i see or hear about someone engineering one for normal road use. then i'll shut up.

My honest opinon, anyone who converts a magna to RWD will never visit AMC unless told about it, and if a particular person did log on to these forums to show off a RWD magna that he/she converted, there would be the one idiot here who ruin it for everyone and say something stupid like "you should of bought a commodore", there would then be a horrible downward spiral of abusive comments, also a few bannings and then the person with the first ever known RWD street registered magna would never visit the site again hence killing any chance to get any real information on how to do such a project.
This has to be the best and trueset post in this entire thread. Agree 100%.

This has to be the best and trueset post in this entire thread. Agree 100%.

:stoopid:

100% true!


however it is possible, although a massive job so someone would really need to love their magna to do it..

tbo id be more impressed if i saw a FWD/AWD V8 magna but with the east/west config ( or what ever way they are in lol ) because then there is a chance it can be registered for road use.

sorry to be a negative nancy

all this rwd magna stuff is all talk...and before all you hardcore enthusiasts go out and say "there is RWD magna's, that ugly red one with suicide doors and that white one with the 5.0L V8 in it blah blah" I don't care

I'm talking about a street registered RWD magna, until i see or hear about someone engineering one for normal road use. then i'll shut up.

My honest opinon, anyone who converts a magna to RWD will never visit AMC unless told about it, and if a particular person did log on to these forums to show off a RWD magna that he/she converted, there would be the one idiot here who ruin it for everyone and say something stupid like "you should of bought a commodore", there would then be a horrible downward spiral of abusive comments, also a few bannings and then the person with the first ever known RWD street registered magna would never visit the site again hence killing any chance to get any real information on how to do such a project.
This post sums up the mentality of this forum perfectly.

Anyone who attempts this should just buy a Commodore though.

seriously if i or anyone else wants to think of or start to ponder over a rwd magna they have every right to. if i wanted a bombadore or a ovaldore i wouldn't be a member of this forum. its quiet possible to do with the wagon though only really chassis change would be engine mounts and tunnel.

This post sums up the mentality of this forum perfectly.

Anyone who attempts this should just buy a Commodore though.


It pretty much sums up the mentality of the internet! not just this forum.

as far as the commodore argument goes, if you want an aussie RWD with a v6, buy a commo or a falcon.

if you want to invest some money in something unique that will take a lot of time and effort, be impractically expensive and time consuming, but at the same time rewarding, then go for the rwd magna if you want to

The price / time of a rear wheel drive conversion is proportionate to the enjoyment you'll get from it. If the extra cost is worth knowing you've created / own something nobody else has or possibly will, then by all means its a worthwhile investment. Its your money and if spending it on a rwd magna makes you happy, then why spend it on anything else? thats why all of us are here, our cars make us happy, if you could enjoy that money better elsewhere, the conversion might not be for you. Basically, its worth doing if having the only rwd magna around is worth the price and time to you. if you just want a rear wheel drive to do burnouts, then a commo might be a better option.

I can't believe the hype. I've seen and heard of way stupider conversions than a RWD Magna V8.
Even if it cost you $40k+, big deal. Realisticly that doesn't even by you a new hsv senator. (which is a dressed up commodore). My neighbours trying to sell his ugly boat for 38k for petes sake.
How may guys do you see spend that $ on sound systems just to win those db comps.

Building your own V8 Magna, you would be making the car to suit the intended power. Chose your diff, trans etc.
For those that say its alot of money to spend on a car just to do burnouts, so what? What would you do? Put it on stands in the garage and then jerk-off over it?

Lets face it most ppl considering this conversion are intending to create a car with big power and leave a nice cloud of smoke while doing so.
All those that think it's a waste, just keep driving your magna the way it is.

I hope someone does it.

epic :bowrofl:

I can't believe the hype. I've seen and heard of way stupider conversions than a RWD Magna V8.
Even if it cost you $40k+, big deal. Realisticly that doesn't even by you a new hsv senator. (which is a dressed up commodore). My neighbours trying to sell his ugly boat for 38k for petes sake.
How may guys do you see spend that $ on sound systems just to win those db comps.

Building your own V8 Magna, you would be making the car to suit the intended power. Chose your diff, trans etc.
For those that say its alot of money to spend on a car just to do burnouts, so what? What would you do? Put it on stands in the garage and then jerk-off over it?

Lets face it most ppl considering this conversion are intending to create a car with big power and leave a nice cloud of smoke while doing so.
All those that think it's a waste, just keep driving your magna the way it is.

I hope someone does it.
100% agreed

You'd only do something silly like this if you were making a proper unregistered race or show car.

*Jumps on Bandwagon*

Just build a RWD racing chassis from an old falcodore and have a Magna fiberglass molded body ... then you could mold a Maybach, a Ferrari and a Mr Whippy van. They can all do 9second passes, sideways :P

Cheaper still, you could join the holden/falcon forum ..

I can't believe the hype. I've seen and heard of way stupider conversions than a RWD Magna V8.
Even if it cost you $40k+, big deal. Realisticly that doesn't even by you a new hsv senator. (which is a dressed up commodore). My neighbours trying to sell his ugly boat for 38k for petes sake.
How may guys do you see spend that $ on sound systems just to win those db comps.

Building your own V8 Magna, you would be making the car to suit the intended power. Chose your diff, trans etc.
For those that say its alot of money to spend on a car just to do burnouts, so what? What would you do? Put it on stands in the garage and then jerk-off over it?

Lets face it most ppl considering this conversion are intending to create a car with big power and leave a nice cloud of smoke while doing so.
All those that think it's a waste, just keep driving your magna the way it is.

I hope someone does it.

Car modifying is an expensive hobby and your average car hobbyist would even shy away from spending so much.

Burnouts are still lame, a vk can do them easily. Hit the track/quarter.

lol all this arguing just because i sat in a fwd car and noticed the rear floorpan wasn't flat. long story short, to go fast, i ride bikes. it's cheap, it's quick. it does burnouts, it does monos, it makes passengers go to the toilet with pants on.

i love modifying cars, particularly old ones. i had a 2l datto 200b with a gt shaker on it. twin webbers and a lumpy cam and every d/h at the lights would yell, bro is that a v8 or a rotor. and i'd shout, just a nat.asp 4 cylinder mate, and rev it while the front right dropped to nearly the ground. everyone hates 200bs. but when you have a 30yo 4 cylinder car that cost about $3500 all up that takes corners sideways better than $25k spent on a silvia, and eats a 5l commodore on the black spur, it makes you happy...

quit my job b4 the sr20 conversion happened, but kept the diff, (after breaking 3 i put a vl turbo centre w/ 28 spline billet axles and full spool)... turns out that when you chuck the guts (back) into a vl diff, they bolt straight under a 40yo car... HD holdens, my first cars, i'm sure it fits in HRs and under eh's without too many problems....

long story short, actually still long, if i wanted to go fast, i'd jump on the bike, if i wanted to do burnouts, i'd buy a $200 rwd car...... but i like modifying cars, i didn't buy this one, and although it'd be easier to start a project and put all the parts in the back of the wagon, i like wagons. i like the look of the front of these magnas.

i just think it'd be a great feeling sneaking about in a magna wagon with something silly like an infiniti q45 motor or something... body off conversion might be the way to go, it's easy enough with old patrols!!!!

and for the record, dad has a q45. twas orig a $100k??ish car. cost $10k. kinda looks like a toyota vienta.

my point? i'd love it if it (the magna) was AWD, however i don't think it'd see any track time. YES, burnouts are immature. YES, i like them. especially when i'm in the q45 and a guy in a VK pulls up at the lights, drops a single spinner with a ?"what you're in a grandpa car" look on his face, then the "vienta's" tail end starts sliding towards him. they take off in 2nd, but are still kinda sluggish even when u take off in first... his confidence is back. then as you hit 60, and he listens and realises it's a v8 and you've just got to 120 in about 2seconds it's all worth it.

it's a stock standard car, but when you have a motor that people don't expect is in there, it's priceless!!!

anyways, nice dreams but i'm moving soon so not sure if i can start projects just yet... however i'll post pics when we've grafted ba xr front lights onto a WB tonner front... (i think it's a yuk idea but he wants to do it, so i won't discourage it)

If you have the cash, and are willing to spend way more than your car is worth, go for it. All these people telling you to "go buy a bogandore" would make me more willing to do this, just to stick it to them. All you have to do is go to a few vintage/hotrod car meets, see cars that have had thousands upon thousands upon thousands of dollars and hours poured into them, to go from rusted write offs to some of the best looking, sounding and head turning cars in the country, tell them "If you wanted a nice car you should have just bought a commodore/falcon/other ****box boring car" and see their response. 5-10yrs ago, if you told someone you wanted to do up a magna, you would never live it down. Its builds like this that keep the modifying scene in this country from turning into a stagnated pool of VS's and EF's with clear taillights, fully hek7ik cat backs and 17" wheels.
/rant

lol it's tempting to put 15x10" centerlines on the front and 3" front runners on the rears just to annoy this lot :badgrin:

just promise me if you bother. It will have a huge amount of power. Dont bother getting it engineered with less than 500bhp!

and air conditioning

and air conditioning

lol i wouldn't use it. i'm still undecided if i want to project this one, use it as a daily and project another car, or buy another magna. tbh i actually like the th fronts, i also like the fact that so many models have interchangable parts, this means, for instance, if i want to trim it, i can still have a nice car by putting kh trims in, then experimenting with the old ones etc...

if, (very big if btw... i'm still poor atm + have what may become unstable living circumstances even though i have an empty double garage!!!!), yes i could have picked an easier car, however my holden HD was an old Holden, but very much uncommon to see them modified the same as others of similar eras, so i can't see why you WOULDN"T want to modify that.......

those who said the chassis would need to be modified... no that didn't scare me. effectively you're telling me that everyone who's minitubbed their HQ has wasted their time. I've a mate with a coule of patrols who body off's nearly every weekend to tweak stuff.

yes it presents an expensive challenge. yes it would cost more than the cars worth. when the car cost me $0, what have i got to lose??

so anyway guys... to get back on topic a little more, hypothetically, would you agree with these steps in order to do it: (yes i'll seem stupid as i don't know much about magnas... yet!)


the biggest obstacle you would face is the fact that the car is modern, thereby restricting you severely in terms of engine choice and safety features, (so yes for "ADR" purposes i'm better starting with an exec than a vrx or verada!!)......

consult an engineer in the appropriate state to ensure that with the modifications required, you'll still be able to register it as a magna, and not a one off build. (trust me do your research, if you modify a car too much and end up "building" a new type of car, all of a sudden you'll have to meet euro iv or wutever we're up to emission standards, the ADRs etc etc and it's really not f'n worth it). also make sure you consult the engineer during most stages of the build. it adds costs, but picking the right engineer you'll find his input rubs his ego a little if he thinks "i made that car happen!".

then, first thing to tackle would be relocation of the wiring and hoses that runs through the centre tunnel that looks like it it's a RWD anyway. (if it goes horribly wrong remove and modify floor plan).

find a 9" diff (easier to find, more commonly modified to find appropriate width axles) to mock up, and see how much clearance you have for a fuel tank.

get a mate to build you a fuel tank/cell.... (oh sorry didn't i mention i had someone to do that?) that fits. also makes the conversion easier on a wagon doesn't it!!!!!!!

find a RWD car of similar dimensions to mock up front axles.

find a motor that's appropriately sized, (both in placement and displacement!!!!)... (gearbox and tailshaft are ignored because 1. they're easy, 2. trans tunnels are the most commonly modified thing in nearly all older cars so i figure why not in a newer one).


worst case, you either make it a drag car and solid mount a 350 chev, or just do a body off trnasplant!!! :)
i'm sure i've forgotten heaps of steps, and yes it would be hard/expensive, (pick a team for most of you it would only be one of the two!!)... but hey this is what a forums for.

what else is involved??? if someone says, it's too hard because, i'm sure there's someone with an answer that is: oh but my mate can.....

sorry i forgot to mention, if i went the drag car route and solid mounted something old school... it'd be a hemi. i know sfa about them but hey, nostalgia rules all!!

Sounds like you have the know how.
I'd go for it.
3rd gens are cheap as chips these days. Gut one out and go to town. Hell I'd love to see it!

Sounds great man!!! would be a great project to see on here!!

if ya decide to do it good luck :D I reckon you'll neeed it haha, but if you put enough effort into it you can make it happen :cool:


subliminally says "do it, do it, do it."

No.....


DO IT TO A FIRST GEN!

No.....


DO IT TO A FIRST GEN!
May as well just buy a Sigma.

IF you were to do this and only IF

Why would you not graft the back end of the AWD into the car? Everything is there in so far as parts and width etc, just need to make mounts and install, section of sedan floor pan may suffice

Front axles? Why again do this, just grab an outer joint, hve the cone machined off, pip it in and whamo, a blind shaft to hold the front end together. What do you think they do with the Nissan Escudo in Indonesia, is a 2wd Navara

Tunnel, that is probably the most involved part but then again you may be able to use the shaft etc from the AWD however you will need to still have a lot of mods to the front part of the tunnel which leads me to the final complication, the steering rack, where are you going to put this?

RWD is very possible.

Darryl McBeth's Sony Xplod Magna from a few years ago.

Not road registerable, and was turned into a 2 door coupe.

May as well just buy a Sigma.

May aswell buy a piece of dog ****.

What Mal said, one of the major issues is that the engine is in the wrong orientation. there would be alot more work to figure that out then to fit the rear diff/axles/etc.


May aswell buy a piece of dog ****.
well.. TBH, i can't tell the difference between a 1st gen, a sigma and a piece of dog **** because they all look the same...

What Mal said, one of the major issues is that the engine is in the wrong orientation. there would be alot more work to figure that out then to fit the rear diff/axles/etc.


well.. TBH, i can't tell the difference between a 1st gen, a sigma and a piece of dog **** because they all look the same...

whats the difference between a bucket of **** and a 1st gen...?

the bucket.

whats the difference between a bucket of **** and a 1st gen...?

the bucket.
Ooohhhhhhhhhhhsnap

RWD is very possible.

Darryl McBeth's Sony Xplod Magna from a few years ago.

Not road registerable, and was turned into a 2 door coupe.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/713458

Its definately nice! but its almost too low. the wheels/arches just dont look right to me.

but wow

No.....


DO IT TO A FIRST GEN!


someone has it's on this site. 1st gen with a 351??

IF you were to do this and only IF

Why would you not graft the back end of the AWD into the car? Everything is there in so far as parts and width etc, just need to make mounts and install, section of sedan floor pan may suffice

Front axles? Why again do this, just grab an outer joint, hve the cone machined off, pip it in and whamo, a blind shaft to hold the front end together. What do you think they do with the Nissan Escudo in Indonesia, is a 2wd Navara

Tunnel, that is probably the most involved part but then again you may be able to use the shaft etc from the AWD however you will need to still have a lot of mods to the front part of the tunnel which leads me to the final complication, the steering rack, where are you going to put this?

thank you for advice. i've not looked under an awd to see how much room is actually there. if i was going to the troubleof floor pan grafting full chassis swap would be the easiest go though wouldn't it??

hmmmm blind shaft for the front, good option, but if i'm changing the configuration of the mounts, i'm sure i could find something of similar dimensions and use the entire swaybar, axle, crossmember section hotrod style couldn't i??

w/ an AWD car, the tailshaft runs off center doesn't it? or at least to the centre diff?? not so keen on this idea.

if i was to go AWD, may aswell drop the body on a skyline chassis/running gear hey? (now there's an idea!!! was going to use a motor in the HD, seeing as the VL running gear fits straight in just about).

There's conversion kits available from Hemi aftermarkert stockist for yank cars... worst comes to worst i'll blow $20k on a tubular front end, 4 link rear, and a 440 solid mounted... just won't bother trying to insure it :nuts:

whats the difference between a bucket of **** and a 1st gen...?

the bucket.

hahahaha I know the joke u modified to get that, imagine how quick u would be banned if u sed the original one :P

thank you for advice. i've not looked under an awd to see how much room is actually there. if i was going to the troubleof floor pan grafting full chassis swap would be the easiest go though wouldn't it?? NO, they do not have a chassis you can unbolt remember

hmmmm blind shaft for the front, good option, but if i'm changing the configuration of the mounts, i'm sure i could find something of similar dimensions and use the entire swaybar, axle, crossmember section hotrod style couldn't i?? Why would you downgrade a suspension set up, just keep the superior magna set up

w/ an AWD car, the tailshaft runs off center doesn't it? or at least to the centre diff?? not so keen on this idea.Transfer case is on the transmission on these cars

if i was to go AWD, may aswell drop the body on a skyline chassis/running gear hey? (now there's an idea!!! was going to use a motor in the HD, seeing as the VL running gear fits straight in just about).Again you are looking old style where a car had a full chassis, neither Magna or Nissan have these

There's conversion kits available from Hemi aftermarkert stockist for yank cars... worst comes to worst i'll blow $20k on a tubular front end, 4 link rear, and a 440 solid mounted... just won't bother trying to insure it :nuts:Sorry, you are too late, was done down here in Vic to a TJ which was then turned into a TL