Well, after disconnecting the battery in my newly aquired TL ES, coincidence or not, second gear is now slipping. I've had the transmission fluid flushed and replaced, and followed the instructions to re-teach itself. Just after re-teaching it, it seemed to be ok, but then going up a hill it held second gear for ages, then slipped a bit, then went into third.

Does this mean the transmission is stuffed? Any fix or ideas on how much I'm looking at to fix it?

Cheers.

any other symptoms?

was it a full flush and replace (as in pressure all the old fluid out) or just a drain and refill?

what state is the fluid in now? should be clear red. if it's a bit brown or cloudy I would re-flush the 'box.

the failures I've seen in these 'boxes are usually related to clips coming off inside and being munched by (and munching) the gears. you'll know if that happens, 'cos you won't be able to change gears at all.

flaring on upshifts is usually a symptom of fluid problems.

cheers,
.wook

any other symptoms?

was it a full flush and replace (as in pressure all the old fluid out) or just a drain and refill?

what state is the fluid in now? should be clear red. if it's a bit brown or cloudy I would re-flush the 'box.

the failures I've seen in these 'boxes are usually related to clips coming off inside and being munched by (and munching) the gears. you'll know if that happens, 'cos you won't be able to change gears at all.

flaring on upshifts is usually a symptom of fluid problems.

cheers,
.wook
The fluid was completely flushed and replaced by my local trusted mechanic. The TL box doesn't have a filter apparently. The fluid now is a light pinky colour and smells pretty. The mechanic seems to think the damage is already done. It's very smooth out of first and all other gears, and also very smooth to change gears at idle (I don't use the tiptronic mode) it only seems to flare or "slip" going from 2nd to 3rd.

No other symptons really, just the occasional hard downshift, but again, that's going into 2nd gear I think.

The fluid was completely flushed and replaced by my local trusted mechanic. The TL box doesn't have a filter apparently. The fluid now is a light pinky colour and smells pretty. The mechanic seems to think the damage is already done. It's very smooth out of first and all other gears, and also very smooth to change gears at idle (I don't use the tiptronic mode) it only seems to flare or "slip" going from 2nd to 3rd.

that doesn't sound like Mitsu tranny fluid. these boxes are very particular about the fluid. I would check with your mechanic and see what fluid he used.

flaring between 2nd and 3rd is the only symptom I had when my fluid needed replaced. the rest of the 'box seemed fine. it went away as soon as the fluid was flushed.

that doesn't sound like Mitsu tranny fluid. these boxes are very particular about the fluid. I would check with your mechanic and see what fluid he used.

flaring between 2nd and 3rd is the only symptom I had when my fluid needed replaced. the rest of the 'box seemed fine. it went away as soon as the fluid was flushed.
I bought the fluid myself from Mitsubishi, it's definitely the right stuff. I just had a look on the transmission dipstick and it looks like there's possibly too much oil in the transmission? It reads higher than the "hot" mark but this would be common when the trans oil is hot wouldn't it due to it thinning out?

I bought the fluid myself from Mitsubishi, it's definitely the right stuff. I just had a look on the transmission dipstick and it looks like there's possibly too much oil in the transmission? It reads higher than the "hot" mark but this would be common when the trans oil is hot wouldn't it due to it thinning out?

fair enough.

I don't know what effect too much fluid would have. is it significantly higher, or just over the mark?

fair enough.

I don't know what effect too much fluid would have. is it significantly higher, or just over the mark?
Quite a bit more... I can't see that affecting shifts too much tho, right? I think it's a case of wait and see what it does. If it goes bang, rebuild. :doubt:

The fluid was completely flushed and replaced by my local trusted mechanic. The TL box doesn't have a filter apparently. The fluid now is a light pinky colour and smells pretty. The mechanic seems to think the damage is already done. It's very smooth out of first and all other gears, and also very smooth to change gears at idle (I don't use the tiptronic mode) it only seems to flare or "slip" going from 2nd to 3rd.

No other symptons really, just the occasional hard downshift, but again, that's going into 2nd gear I think.

My car has been great for the last 12 months or so....disconnected + battery to clear a fault code and box back to slipping 2-3. Pisses me off. The only way i think it learned was over a long period of driving it in tippy or std holding the gears or pushing it harder, even it does slip a little. mine is slowly improving

My car has been great for the last 12 months or so....disconnected + battery to clear a fault code and box back to slipping 2-3. Pisses me off. The only way i think it learned was over a long period of driving it in tippy or std holding the gears or pushing it harder, even it does slip a little. mine is slowly improving
So you're saying that even after a good transmission flush, and re-learning it through the 2-3rd upshift, then brake slowly 5 times in a row technique, your transmission still slips occasionally? Then after time it comes good again? This is encouraging to say the least...

Magtone - Tell me something... When your gearbox slips, what do you do? Let off and let it change gears then put your foot on the pedal again? Or do you plant it till it stops slipping? Or do you just leave it do its thing?

The 3rd gen 4-speed autos in the 3.5 V6, I've found, tend to flare on the 2-3 shift ; I have seen a few friends' vehicles that have all started doing this after 120,000km. (These vehicles have had transmissions flushed, have been looked after etc.etc.)

Whilst it 'flares' for up to 1.5-2 seconds, it always does pick up 3rd without a huge jolt, thankfully.

The flaring is most obvious if the driver reduces throttle input, to make the car go into 3rd, and is a bit quick to get back on the throttle before the transmission has fully selected 3rd. That's when it flares -- Is this what you are experiencing?

Maybe just a gradual wear & tear pattern of the gearbox perhaps?

The 3rd gen 4-speed autos in the 3.5 V6, I've found, tend to flare on the 2-3 shift ; I have seen a few friends' vehicles that have all started doing this after 120,000km. (These vehicles have had transmissions flushed, have been looked after etc.etc.)

Whilst it 'flares' for up to 1.5-2 seconds, it always does pick up 3rd without a huge jolt, thankfully.

The flaring is most obvious if the driver reduces throttle input, to make the car go into 3rd, and is a bit quick to get back on the throttle before the transmission has fully selected 3rd. That's when it flares -- Is this what you are experiencing?

Maybe just a gradual wear & tear pattern of the gearbox perhaps?
This is exactly what it's doing. If it's not going to make my transmission spontaneously combust, I'm not fussed by it. But, if the transmission is on the way out, then obviously I need to be concerned.

My car used to do this all the time. Got the tranmission flushed, still had the issue. Ran through the learning procedure properly then drove around like my grandma for a couple of days and it went away entirely, that was 6 months ago, haven't seen it since. *Touch wood* :P

My car used to do this all the time. Got the tranmission flushed, still had the issue. Ran through the learning procedure properly then drove around like my grandma for a couple of days and it went away entirely, that was 6 months ago, haven't seen it since. *Touch wood* :P
To be fair, I only just disconnected the battery yesterday, went for one drive and it was there. That drive was probably 2kms. Took it to the mechanic today, fluid flushed, got car back, drove it probably 5kms total, still there but only once in the last 1km or so. Tomorrow I take the car to work for a 130km round trip, so we'll see how it goes over the next few days. In the next 4 days I'll do 500kms.

To be fair, I only just disconnected the battery yesterday, went for one drive and it was there.

That probably plays a part. I've found after disconnecting the battery, the first 5-20km are by far the worst. It takes a couple of weeks and a few hundred kms for it to feel right... in my experience, even after a couple of days, it'll still occasionally flare the gear shifts (this is with the 5 speed tippy though).

I get the flaring after a ECU reset, particulary in the 1st/2nd up shift, and I agree that it can be emphasised by backing off the gas when persuading it to upshift. I figured it was a normal characteristic of the auto and found that it shifts promptly after a while once it learns my driving style.

I bought the fluid myself from Mitsubishi, it's definitely the right stuff. I just had a look on the transmission dipstick and it looks like there's possibly too much oil in the transmission? It reads higher than the "hot" mark but this would be common when the trans oil is hot wouldn't it due to it thinning out?

Hi Disciple,
The ATF fluid should be adjusted when hot, so in answer to your question, no it should never exceed the HOT range on the dipstick. Overfilling the tranny will cause frothing of the fluid and symptoms similar to that of low fluid level. - ie flaring, hard shifts.

I hope the reflush and relearn help you out, I know first hand the pain of losing an auto gearbox.

http://www.transmissiondigest.com/tech/TD200508/200508ShiftPointers/200508ShiftPointers.htm

The crap Mitsu transmission is a world wide phenomenon. And extends to other car manufacturers that bought this gearbox of mitsubishi.

Make sure your fluid levels in trans are SPOT ON can do strange things if fluid levels are incorrect.
Go for a 10 min drive park car on level ground, with motor running and in gear check your levels and if levels are high drop maybe 1/2 litre.

Gearbox seems fine today after a good drive. I will check the fluid levels again soon - just found out I need to change the timing belt on this car... 126,000kms and it wasn't done. Joy.

Gearbox seems fine today after a good drive. I will check the fluid levels again soon - just found out I need to change the timing belt on this car... 126,000kms and it wasn't done. Joy.
I thought there was a comment made in the FS thread for the car saying it had all the major services completed?

Like it says here.... (http://aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=879392&postcount=5)


107xxx

Last owner was Aust. Post. When i bought it the original driver was trading it in he told me that 90% of the k's were from long distance driving. All the relevant big services have been done.

You'd assume going off the service handbook that the timing belt would have been a "relevant big service" by 107,000kms - considering the only services prior require the oil changing...

Man, if i were you i'f be :rant:

Hope the auto works out ok for ya

I thought there was a comment made in the FS thread for the car saying it had all the major services completed?

Like it says here.... (http://aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=879392&postcount=5)



You'd assume going off the service handbook that the timing belt would have been a "relevant big service" by 107,000kms - considering the only services prior require the oil changing...

Man, if i were you i'f be :rant:

Hope the auto works out ok for ya
Well yeah, you'd think when someone says "yeah the timing belt was done by the previous owner" that's what he means. It's just a good thing I was festidious about the service book and actually rang the Mitsubishi dealers who previously serviced the car down in Sydney and confirmed it hadn't actually had the timing belt done. That would've been fun driving to work at 120km/h and had the timing belt snap! :shock:

So now I can't drive the car till the timing belt has been done. 126,000kms, the belt could go at any second. It could've gone on my way up from Sydney ffs. No wonder the car was so cheap eh... By the time I'm finished with it, it'll be like a brand new car. lol

So you're saying that even after a good transmission flush, and re-learning it through the 2-3rd upshift, then brake slowly 5 times in a row technique, your transmission still slips occasionally? Then after time it comes good again? This is encouraging to say the least...

Basically yes. it does take time tho...mauybe cos i dont drive it much as its the wifes daily.


Magtone - Tell me something... When your gearbox slips, what do you do? Let off and let it change gears then put your foot on the pedal again? Or do you plant it till it stops slipping? Or do you just leave it do its thing?

yeh i will let off a bit to make it change while it is learning. cant imagine it is great to let it keep slipping.

Basically yes. it does take time tho...mauybe cos i dont drive it much as its the wifes daily.



yeh i will let off a bit to make it change while it is learning. cant imagine it is great to let it keep slipping.

Thanks mate!

Driving it yesterday, mine hasen't slipped at all. Admittedly I do highway kms, so the gearbox used 2nd gear probably less than 10 times, but not a single slip, and the gearchanges feel really nice. There's still some hesitation for it to change up a gear if I've just gone up a hill and back off the gas, but I think that's more to do with the ordinary gearbox software callibration than the actual mechanical workings of the gearbox itself...

I'd seriously speak to the mods about false advertising, there are laws againts this!

Thanks mate!

Driving it yesterday, mine hasen't slipped at all. Admittedly I do highway kms, so the gearbox used 2nd gear probably less than 10 times, but not a single slip, and the gearchanges feel really nice. There's still some hesitation for it to change up a gear if I've just gone up a hill and back off the gas, but I think that's more to do with the ordinary gearbox software callibration than the actual mechanical workings of the gearbox itself...

My car does the same, it's normal, it won't upchange untill you reach the top of the hill/flat ground. That's what it says in the owners manual

My car does the same, it's normal, it won't upchange untill you reach the top of the hill/flat ground. That's what it says in the owners manual
Thanks mate. I can understand why it does it, because if it changes early while still on the incline it may need to change back again. I can understand this on smaller engined cars, but the 3.5L has plenty of torque in most cases to potter up hills without losing speed at no more than 1500rpm.

Thanks mate. I can understand why it does it, because if it changes early while still on the incline it may need to change back again. I can understand this on smaller engined cars, but the 3.5L has plenty of torque in most cases to potter up hills without losing speed at no more than 1500rpm.

Its not a bad thing though. I wish my transmission was like that. It does not chew more fuel anyway, so you dont have to worry. The so called fuzzy logic transmission is so useless I just end up downshifting in tippy mode.

Its a typical thing for flaring after battery disconnection. Nothing to worry again. Just perform a couple of relearns a week apart and drive it as per normal.

Thanks mate!

Driving it yesterday, mine hasen't slipped at all. Admittedly I do highway kms, so the gearbox used 2nd gear probably less than 10 times, but not a single slip, and the gearchanges feel really nice. There's still some hesitation for it to change up a gear if I've just gone up a hill and back off the gas, but I think that's more to do with the ordinary gearbox software callibration than the actual mechanical workings of the gearbox itself...

does that include redlining it?????????:redface:

does that include redlining it?????????:redface:
I don't redline it. Haven't redlined it once since I've bought it... I have an EVO for that. :badgrin:

You'd be surprised how many second hand Magnas and Lancers are available on the used car market cheaply, with Km on the clock that indicate the timing belt should have been done recently, and no service records . . . . .
Very suss!
Been car shopping over the last 3 days - most $3K to $4K cars are in this group - or are so high in Km you wonder how much life there is left in the gearbox.

If your trans fluid is OK then check your TPS - this can affect your trans change points

If you are having the problem of being in the wrong gear on a hill, then I suggest you get the electrical earthing kit

This does 2 things

It corrects the imbalance between front and rear cylinder heads for better combustion timing and torque on hills

It allows the ECU to function in a stable manner for correct trans changes

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=930239&postcount=32

In the majority of cases I don't think flaring is a symptom of a faulty trans, more likely the ECU being unable to

determine it's correct operating point in relation to the TPS

Cheers, Barry

You'd be surprised how many second hand Magnas and Lancers are available on the used car market cheaply, with Km on the clock that indicate the timing belt should have been done recently, and no service records . . . . .
Very suss!
Been car shopping over the last 3 days - most $3K to $4K cars are in this group - or are so high in Km you wonder how much life there is left in the gearbox.
Service history is there in the book, only Mitsubishi failed to change the timing belt with the major service at 90,000 or 105,000kms. They looked at the belt and said "she looks alright" and then put the cam cover back on.