Hi guys, i had a post earlier about fitting 235's on a 7inch rim and whether they were legal or not. Well NRMA being the fools they are keep referring me to other people and so it goes on. However i was looking at getting 18x7inch ROH modena's on my dad's verada, however i also asked da ROH guy bout 235\40's fitting on the rim and this is what he said.

Hi There

Insurance companies can be difficult yes. 18x7" Modena's, like all of
our
Modular wheels, are made to order only, we do not hold stocks.

As for the tyre side of things, I have looked at the Tyre & Rim
Association
standards and a 235/40 is not permitted on a 7" rim. 8" is the minimum
permitted.

I would look at a 225/40, this is listed as needing a minimum rim width
of
7.5" which is still not exactly correct but may be about the closest
you
will get.

Best bet is to talk to your local tyre dealer about what options you
have
taking all your limitations into account.

Thanks & Regards Danny Phillips

So what u guys think??? he's referring to Tyre and Rim association standards??? anyone know da site????

Cheers!!!
Sen2

I have 235s on a 17x7 and they're fantastic - Never had a problem

Hey gremlin,

Yea I used to have 17x7's on 235\45's never had a problem,,,what i am saying is that NRMA who I am insured with and many on this forum are,,,,are very strict in their guidelines, in the case of an accident, being an insurance company they would try to find any fault on the car that does not meet their guidelines, so that they dun need to pay up. I just posted to say what the ROH guy told me via email,,,and he cited some tyre and rim association guidelines that state 235's are not meant for 7inch rims,,,although i know from personal experience that they fitted fine. However if an insurance company looks at these guidelines they may see 235's on a 7inch rim as a fault,,,especially nrma cus they have this stupid "7inch" rule.

hey jegi#5, there is easy way to find out

call NRMA and ask them ,

do not tell them about the tyreguide lines :)

note the time, date, and name of the consultant you talked too

specially if he/she/it says that there will be no problem with any size of tyres on 7" rim.

so the question will be " how wide can i go on the 7" rim that Nrma will still cover me "

and thats all you need

You may find though that simply getting a phone rep to slip up and say something's acceptable doesn't necessarily mean that you are safe. It really comes down to what's in the book, and even if you argue that their phone rep said blah blah blah, they can only use their discretion.

This is because a phone rep is not required to, or expected to know every ADR requirement, RTA requirements etc by heart.

I think this issue might be in the tyre FAQs by now courtesy of KillyBilly.
Anyhow. RTA states that as long as the tyre "fits", it's ok. There is no specifications. And Insurance Companies go by RTA, not by Tyre Companies (TC) et al.
Why do TC then make such statements? Perhaps: you install a high performance tyre to a rim which is "2 sizes too small" and the tyre fails or blows or what ever. You have then voided your warranty by not following THEIR installation guidelines. Note that in hi-perf tyres they give u rim size, on normal tyres not often.
True - do not rely on anybody's WORD over the phone, means nothing. Get all important matters in writing. E-mail is currently legally sufficient on matters like this. But then again, if the failure results in to death .....



You may find though that simply getting a phone rep to slip up and say something's acceptable doesn't necessarily mean that you are safe. It really comes down to what's in the book, and even if you argue that their phone rep said blah blah blah, they can only use their discretion.

This is because a phone rep is not required to, or expected to know every ADR requirement, RTA requirements etc by heart.

I think the ones to be worried about are the tyres that say 'Not for 7' wide rim'.

What about "Not for 17.5" diameter rim" Lol has anyone ever seen a 17.5" wheel?!?!?!

Only in writing can you have documented proof and have something to show for. Why does mitsubishi have to make things hard for those with Verada's and AWD magna's by fitting 95 load rating tyres!!! not to mention nrma only allowing 7inch width. I think it may be time i ring nrma up and find out for myself.

Sen2

What about "Not for 17.5" diameter rim" Lol has anyone ever seen a 17.5" wheel?!?!?!


Hey teK, this reminds me that you also have 7.5" rims right ???? and you are insured with RACV?? how did you managed to get that ???

i am sorry if i am wrong :confused:

Nah mine are 7"... I would have really really liked to have 8" as the tyres would sit better, but they said 7" was the absolute max.

Hey tek, u actually got the same rims i had,17x7's speedy holotype r's but i got rid of em just incase sumfin unfortunate happened and then nrma would not pay up, as its my dads car and i didn't wanna cause any trouble. It was a shame though,,,cus those were nice rims, and they look good on your car in your avatar!!! oh well!!! Anyways i'll ring up NRMA 2morrow and post up what they say bout the matter!!!

Later
Sen2

the only thing i know is that somewhere there is a book that shows maximum allowable sizes on a car,they are legal of course,

and it's on that book that i was told to stay legal the maximum you should go is 222/50/r16 !

ask the tyre dude to show you that!
and i think when they say fits 7.5' only you should abide by that!

Hey guys\gals

Just thought i'd let ya's know what I was told by NRMA over the phone. They basically said that as far as 235's on a 7inch rim go,,,they don't care provided the RTA are ok with it and that it meets the cars load rating as well as the 15mm rule in regards to overall diametre. Basically as long as the RTA says its ok they are ok.

I rang Bob Jane T-marts and they told me although 235's are made for 7.5inch or larger rims,,,they will fit a 7inch rim.

Then i rang up the RTA(Road and Traffic Authority for those from outside of NSW who don't know) technical enquiries section up,, and the guy told me,,,that it has to meet the Rim and Tyre Association guidelines which the ROH wheel guy told me bout which was in my first post in this thread. The ROH guy told me that according to the guidelines from the RIM and TYRE association that 235's are not meant to be fitted to 7inch rims.

This is the whole problem with tyre dealers. They will fit you a set of tyres and you think its all good, but should you meet an accident thats when the insurance company can screw ya big time if they check out your tyres. The guy from Bob Jane told me that insurance companies don't really notice load rating on tyres or whether they fit a particular rim according to guidelines. But when it comes to the crunch I sure ain't betting on what some tyre dealer tells me,,,,,cus even the RTA and NRMA guys told me,,that what the tyre dealer said is irrelevant. They told me the car won't be road worthy and won't be insured!!!!

Sorry for da long post,,but i thought i'd tell you guys what they told me!!!!

Sen2

Insurance companys will only investigate your tyre and rim setup if they suspect it was the direct cause of the accident

For example, a tyre came off the rim cause it was too wide and you slammed into a truck. Then they may not pay because the tyre shouldnt have been on the rim in the first place.

But if you hit that same truck because you didnt see it then they wont look at your 100% perfectly safe tyres and say, nope we aint paying cause they're to wide for that rim.

The part in question has to cause the accident for them not to pay