hey guys,

well after smashing my flares of, my car now looks to high for my liking and im wanting something a little stiffer. i dont want the car to be illegal though, although as low as possible. atm im running stage 1 sports ryder springs all round, i still have my stage 2 springs for the fronts, but the car sat way to low before and i got picked up and yellow stickered, so i dont want this again. i have a jvm front bar, ground effects side skirts and soon to have a rear ralliart bar on the car. i have searched the forums and come up with some nice combos, but most people dont have bodykits on there cars, so if someone could help me out that would be greatly appreciated.

thanks mike

king lows should be a good height for you, superlows will probably be too low.

suspension is first to be done on my car when i can save the money for it.

i'm thinking; KYB shocks, King lows, whiteline sway bars (maybe strut braces too), all urethane bushes, and probably new bumpstops.

If you want to stay legal, King Lows would be a good trade-off. I reckon Superlows would be too low with the JVM bumper - it might be legal, but because of how the bumper's designed, you'd probably be scraping it a lot more than, say, a VR-X bar.

I don't think my Lows are that stiff though... perhaps you could investigate custom springs set to your own height and rate?

are kings lower then sports ryder springs? because if they are the same height as the sports ryders, then i dont want to waste the money.

Forget any of that crap, Koni reds/yellows revalved and 250-350lb springs, no point doing this half assed

If you have Pedders then there in lies your issues, they are mexican made crap.

Kings, with Koni would be my first choice but if you can not afford the Koni then go the Boge as they also crap all over KYB

As you have a street car, do not go too firm as the ride will be crap and so will handling if you hit bumps etc in the corner

i dont want to be spending overly to much as iv already spent 1000 bucks, it very frustrating. iv got a strut brace and sports ryder shocks as well installed, which are probably not the best quality in some peoples eyes, but i thought they were pritty good we will see. at this stage im just looking at replacing my springs, i dont race the car round tracks, im just looking for something that suits the car nicely as well as having suitable handling for spirited driving. i was thinking about upgrading the springs as well as putting a rear sway bar in, to help with the handling. if i go the king sl/l combination, do you think my car will still be legal?

edit: i forgot to mention i also do race on the 1/4 mile if that makes a difference

You have a sports already so it has the factory bar, its fine for the time being, id seriously consider a set of king 30mm Sports and koni's no point upgrading crap twice if and when you do want to do the quarter mile etc etc

You have a sports already so it has the factory bar, its fine for the time being, id seriously consider a set of king 30mm Sports and koni's no point upgrading crap twice if and when you do want to do the quarter mile etc etc

i do race on the 1/4 mile, and i think suspension makes a difference, because when i had the lower stiffer suspension at the front, the car had better take of. so having that combo will it help me?

i do race on the 1/4 mile, and i think suspension makes a difference, because when i had the lower stiffer suspension at the front, the car had better take of.

No,

Want stiffer all round, that stops the center of gravity pitching rearwards unloading the front tyre, i was amazed at how much straight line grip i picked up with the new shocks/springs in, i used to be able to cook the tyres most of the way through first, now it just grips and rockets off, chisholm and QMD have noticed the same thing

im thinking lovells sl all round... j-pap informs me i should be sitting around about the legal limit, 95-105mm. i believe this is what he had, this should cost around $450, is this correct? how do people find these ride?


No,

Want stiffer all round, that stops the center of gravity pitching rearwards unloading the front tyre, i was amazed at how much straight line grip i picked up with the new shocks/springs in, i used to be able to cook the tyres most of the way through first, now it just grips and rockets off, chisholm and QMD have noticed the same thing

oh nice thats a good piece of information! thanks for that.

im thinking lovells sl all round... j-pap informs me i should be sitting around about the legal limit, 95-105mm. i believe this is what he had, this should cost around $450, is this correct? how do people find these ride?



oh nice thats a good piece of information! thanks for that.

With that combo you should just be legal, bear in mind you will struggle on some speed bumps/shopping centers etc as the front bar will take a hammering. As i said before just hold out for a bit, and get a set of higher rate matched set of springs and shocks or even coilovers, my 300lb and koni reds might be up for sale soon, depends if i get this 6g75 and manual box i have got a lead on.

With that combo you should just be legal, bear in mind you will struggle on some speed bumps/shopping centers etc as the front bar will take a hammering. As i said before just hold out for a bit, and get a set of higher rate matched set of springs and shocks or even coilovers, my 300lb and koni reds might be up for sale soon, depends if i get this 6g75 and manual box i have got a lead on.

once again mate, thankyou for your opinion and honesty, it is taken on board and is helping me make my decision. it is either gonna be lovell sl (dunno if it will be to low) or a custom setup like you have suggested.

Remember the legal limit goes further than the 100mm mark

You also need to ensure that you retain 2/3 suspension travel as well. This is a big safety thing.

In SA they have the specs in Police cars for the wheel arch to centre of wheel measurement, they do not bother with 100mm, they measure this and if is below the spec for that model of car having been lowered, defect for you

so how do, s/l measure up against this? magna00 how do your 300lb springs compare to this as well?

mate spend the lil bit extra and get some KSport coilovers in the philcom group buy..

without spending thousands im pretty sure you will find this is will give you the best bang for buck you can get!

plus you can get the height and damper just right.

mate spend the lil bit extra and get some KSport coilovers in the philcom group buy..

without spending thousands im pretty sure you will find this is will give you the best bang for buck you can get!

plus you can get the height and damper just right.

when will this be going ahead? i suppose i can put a few things on hold to get these :cool: damn it why did you have to give me this option. they were 1400 werent they?

If you have Pedders then there in lies your issues, they are mexican made crap.

Kings, with Koni would be my first choice but if you can not afford the Koni then go the Boge as they also crap all over KYB

As you have a street car, do not go too firm as the ride will be crap and so will handling if you hit bumps etc in the corner

Well Madmagna i don't know where you are getting your info about Pedders Springs from. I personally reckon your full of piss & wind. Also before you go shooting your mouth about things its clear you know stuff all about you should check the facts 1st. Now heres the facts for you. Pedders Coil Springs are made in Melbourne in the building next door to there Head Office. Also see below for a few more facts that im guessing you knew stuff all about aswell. All this info is avalible from ANY Pedders store.


FEATURE GENERAL INDUSTRY PEDDERS SPORTSRYDER
Load Testing Free Height +/- 5mm Loaded Height +/-2mm
Material 100% BHP Steel 100% BHP Steel
Scragged 75-90% 100%
Shot-Peened Bead Blasted Full Hardened Shot
Rate OE +10-100% OE +20-40%Wire Diameter Various Various
Colour/Finish Various 4 Colour Box (Single)
Height Options 1 on most, 2 on some Between 3 and 5Production Speed Generally Fast MediumRange Various 98%Mini-Bloc IRS Released in 2002 (Kings) Released in 1998
Short Travel Shocks? Designed to work with no fixed shock length Designed to work with
Pedders normal and short travel shocks
Height Testing frequency Batch 100%Ride Height Info "Will lower approx 20-30mm" Exact Ride Height

If the above statement gets me banned i don't really care as i would rather tell it as it is instead of filling peoples heads with a mass of negativity.

Lenda, I am getting Boge shocks fitted on Thursday. Hopefully I will be able to provide some feedback if you so wish?

Lenda, I am getting Boge shocks fitted on Thursday. Hopefully I will be able to provide some feedback if you so wish?

yeh that will be great thanks!

Well Madmagna i don't know where you are getting your info about Pedders Springs from. I personally reckon your full of piss & wind. Also before you go shooting your mouth about things its clear you know stuff all about you should check the facts 1st. Now heres the facts for you. Pedders Coil Springs are made in Melbourne in the building next door to there Head Office. Also see below for a few more facts that im guessing you knew stuff all about aswell. All this info is avalible from ANY Pedders store.


FEATURE GENERAL INDUSTRY PEDDERS SPORTSRYDER
Load Testing Free Height +/- 5mm Loaded Height +/-2mm
Material 100% BHP Steel 100% BHP Steel
Scragged 75-90% 100%
Shot-Peened Bead Blasted Full Hardened Shot
Rate OE +10-100% OE +20-40%Wire Diameter Various Various
Colour/Finish Various 4 Colour Box (Single)
Height Options 1 on most, 2 on some Between 3 and 5Production Speed Generally Fast MediumRange Various 98%Mini-Bloc IRS Released in 2002 (Kings) Released in 1998
Short Travel Shocks? Designed to work with no fixed shock length Designed to work with
Pedders normal and short travel shocks
Height Testing frequency Batch 100%Ride Height Info "Will lower approx 20-30mm" Exact Ride Height

If the above statement gets me banned i don't really care as i would rather tell it as it is instead of filling peoples heads with a mass of negativity.

You have been here all of 5 mins and know nothing about me at all. :nuts:

Before you start putting people down and trying to cause a flaming war, how about you have a think about what you are going to say and how you are going to approach the topic. :rant:

I gather you work for Pedders thus that rant.

I have been in the trade for over 20 years, I used to exclusivly use Pedders until not that many years ago when we started having issues with the sagging. It is as well known fact that Pedders nearly went down about 5 years ago when a dealer exposed some of the practices of Pedders and where the crap they sell is made. If you beleive everything you read, then I can sell you some fully sic radiator cap, made in melbourne that will give you an extra 50kw at the back wheels I will even put up a poster for you to read so you will believe it :nuts:

If you want sagging springs with spring slap, get pedders. When I had my last set, the rears sagged, 20mm approx on one side, 30mm approx on the other side, they told me that my sub box and 6x9's were to blame???? Given that the total weight of these 2 items combined were about the same as the spare wheel?

If you want to have people respect you, shut your damn mouth and learn how to add to a topic in a reasonable manner or do not bother.

Oh, and banning people like you does not happen as we all need someone to laugh at

Lenda, Cybermonkey. I have Boges in mine with King SP lows. The ride quality is fantastic and the handling is that much sharper. You will both be very happy with these shocks.

Just a note too... I believe that the warranty is void if you use a spring any lower than a "low" with Boges. Thats one reason why i went SP's.

Lenda, Cybermonkey. I have Boges in mine with King SP lows. The ride quality is fantastic and the handling is that much sharper. You will both be very happy with these shocks.

Just a note too... I believe that the warranty is void if you use a spring any lower than a "low" with Boges. Thats one reason why i went SP's.

Really if you are going anything below the Lows, you really should get coil overs and be done with it. This way you retain some suspension travel and they are set up to work well.

Sam has the coil overs and they are a very impressive set up and very well made as well. Have driven the car and to be honest, there really is no sacrifice on ride quality either

Really if you are going anything below the Lows, you really should get coil overs and be done with it. This way you retain some suspension travel and they are set up to work well.

Sam has the coil overs and they are a very impressive set up and very well made as well. Have driven the car and to be honest, there really is no sacrifice on ride quality either
But there is a big jump in price over new OE style shock and coil overs... I couldn't see the value in spending big dollars like that unless i was going to spend most of my time on a track! lol Maybe im just getting old....

Well Madmagna i don't know where you are getting your info about Pedders Springs from. I personally reckon your full of piss & wind. Also before you go shooting your mouth about things its clear you know stuff all about you should check the facts 1st. Now heres the facts for you. Pedders Coil Springs are made in Melbourne in the building next door to there Head Office. Also see below for a few more facts that im guessing you knew stuff all about aswell. All this info is avalible from ANY Pedders store.


FEATURE GENERAL INDUSTRY PEDDERS SPORTSRYDER
Load Testing Free Height +/- 5mm Loaded Height +/-2mm
Material 100% BHP Steel 100% BHP Steel
Scragged 75-90% 100%
Shot-Peened Bead Blasted Full Hardened Shot
Rate OE +10-100% OE +20-40%Wire Diameter Various Various
Colour/Finish Various 4 Colour Box (Single)
Height Options 1 on most, 2 on some Between 3 and 5Production Speed Generally Fast MediumRange Various 98%Mini-Bloc IRS Released in 2002 (Kings) Released in 1998
Short Travel Shocks? Designed to work with no fixed shock length Designed to work with
Pedders normal and short travel shocks
Height Testing frequency Batch 100%Ride Height Info "Will lower approx 20-30mm" Exact Ride Height

If the above statement gets me banned i don't really care as i would rather tell it as it is instead of filling peoples heads with a mass of negativity.

Hmm you dont know where the shocks are made though do you?

all mcpherson and eyelet units are made in mexico was in the same factory as monroe/gabriel but have apparently moved to "cut costs"

Ive had 1 run in with pedders and when someone cant understand the simple term the FRONT of the car, on the rear section of the control arm, i want those 2 bushes replaced, and even drew them a diagram of exactly what ones i wanted done, yet they still ripped the rear subframe out and tryed to charge me for it.

You also look at there springs compared to say Kings or Lovells, thicker coils, have had the slag taken off them before powercoating etc.

Its fine that you want to protect them as they are your job, but cmon, i see more failed pedders gear then every other shock/spring manufacturer combined

well i can scrap that idea of informing you of the boge shocks. My supplier has just informed me that they cant get the rears until middle of march. Cant wait that long so had to go with damn kybs. Springs also turned up, wanted the king sp's because i think lows will stop me from getting in the garage with an empty car. I have been sent king lows so i am a bit disheartened by the whole affair.

mike if your interested i might be having my koni reds with the kings superlow/low combo for sale as im thinking about getting coilovers ;)

You have been here all of 5 mins and know nothing about me at all. :nuts:

Before you start putting people down and trying to cause a flaming war, how about you have a think about what you are going to say and how you are going to approach the topic. :rant:

I gather you work for Pedders thus that rant.

I have been in the trade for over 20 years, I used to exclusivly use Pedders until not that many years ago when we started having issues with the sagging. It is as well known fact that Pedders nearly went down about 5 years ago when a dealer exposed some of the practices of Pedders and where the crap they sell is made. If you beleive everything you read, then I can sell you some fully sic radiator cap, made in melbourne that will give you an extra 50kw at the back wheels I will even put up a poster for you to read so you will believe it :nuts:

If you want sagging springs with spring slap, get pedders. When I had my last set, the rears sagged, 20mm approx on one side, 30mm approx on the other side, they told me that my sub box and 6x9's were to blame???? Given that the total weight of these 2 items combined were about the same as the spare wheel?

If you want to have people respect you, shut your damn mouth and learn how to add to a topic in a reasonable manner or do not bother.

Oh, and banning people like you does not happen as we all need someone to laugh at

i dont believe everything i read but i do how ever believe what i see when its infront of me and not in words,now maybe not all pedders products are made in australia this i dont know but i know for a FACT the springs are 100% aussie made and tests have shown time and time again that our pedders springs are way better than kings lows or super lows. as for you recieving bad springs once again i dont know this so im not going to comment but im sure if it did happen it was corrected , it would be the same as mitsubishi selling cars than instantly blow up after 5months of driving the first time they would some how get out of it but if it happened time and time again im sure they would be shut down very quickly . i have been with pedders for a while now and i have NEVER heard of anyone bringing a snapped spring back sadly i cant say the same for kings when i can go in to the workshop at anytime and pick up a set of snapped kings and one last thing (not at all implied in a childish way) the laughing at me thing might be something easy to do do when ur looking at a computer but u wouldnt for very long if u did it to my face. go back to tafe you tosser and do another 20 years i think y0u need it

i dont believe everything i read but i do how ever believe what i see when its infront of me and not in words,now maybe not all pedders products are made in australia this i dont know but i know for a FACT the springs are 100% aussie made and tests have shown time and time again that our pedders springs are way better than kings lows or super lows. as for you recieving bad springs once again i dont know this so im not going to comment but im sure if it did happen it was corrected , it would be the same as mitsubishi selling cars than instantly blow up after 5months of driving the first time they would some how get out of it but if it happened time and time again im sure they would be shut down very quickly . i have been with pedders for a while now and i have NEVER heard of anyone bringing a snapped spring back sadly i cant say the same for kings when i can go in to the workshop at anytime and pick up a set of snapped kings and one last thing (not at all implied in a childish way) the laughing at me thing might be something easy to do do when ur looking at a computer but u wouldnt for very long if u did it to my face. go back to tafe you tosser and do another 20 years i think you need it


Show me the proof of pedders being better the kings

Show me the proof of pedders being better the kings


haha go ask most kings sales reps iv know of a few that will say it with pride . but if you want actual proof shock test a pedders spring then do the same to a king i can bet the pedders one lasts longer. if you want a super low car then i wont deny it kings will do it no worries if u want the best of the best ( imo ) get bilstein but if you want the best for a reasonable price that will go the yards then pedders will come out on top

bam_bam, I think you need to chillax for a bit lol This is turning into an unnecessary flame war no one is going to win!

Type40's comment on Boge shocks being void if used with anything lower than low's is correct, I've looked into a fair few places regarding this and they all state the same thing. Understandable really.

i dont believe everything i read but i do how ever believe what i see when its infront of me and not in words,now maybe not all pedders products are made in australia this i dont know but i know for a FACT the springs are 100% aussie made and tests have shown time and time again that our pedders springs are way better than kings lows or super lows. as for you recieving bad springs once again i dont know this so im not going to comment but im sure if it did happen it was corrected , it would be the same as mitsubishi selling cars than instantly blow up after 5months of driving the first time they would some how get out of it but if it happened time and time again im sure they would be shut down very quickly . i have been with pedders for a while now and i have NEVER heard of anyone bringing a snapped spring back sadly i cant say the same for kings when i can go in to the workshop at anytime and pick up a set of snapped kings and one last thing (not at all implied in a childish way) the laughing at me thing might be something easy to do do when ur looking at a computer but u wouldnt for very long if u did it to my face. go back to tafe you tosser and do another 20 years i think you need it

Hey Guys, another Eric....

Mate, so first of all you make threats against me and you reckon that I am the keyboard hero, well if it makes you feel like you have a bigger wang, then go for it. Secondly you work for Pedders, well that is no surprise as Pedders have shown time and time again that they are full of bull. As for going back to Tafe, I am surprised that a kindergarten drop out trades assistant like you would even know what Tafe is.....

Don't bother with the proof mate, you work there so anything you say will be biased anyway.

As for Pedders, I told you what they said, there are many other members here and on other forums I know who have had issues in recent years including coils slapping and the Pedders fix...wrap the spring tops in garden hose!!!!!!

Yeah, you keep your Pedders, the bogon attitude and find yourself somewhere else to hang out where people of your type generally hang out.

bam_bam, I think you need to chillax for a bit lol This is turning into an unnecessary flame war no one is going to win!

Type40's comment on Boge shocks being void if used with anything lower than low's is correct, I've looked into a fair few places regarding this and they all state the same thing. Understandable really.


mate im chilled and i aint trying to start a fight , i think what madmagna said is complete **** so i expressed it, he has his so called facts and i have mine

Oh and mate, if you are going to plug items that you sell here, dont bother as this forum only allows plugs from our valued sponsors.

Hey Guys, another Eric....

Mate, so first of all you make threats against me and you reckon that I am the keyboard hero, well if it makes you feel like you have a bigger wang, then go for it. Secondly you work for Pedders, well that is no surprise as Pedders have shown time and time again that they are full of bull. As for going back to Tafe, I am surprised that a kindergarten drop out trades assistant like you would even know what Tafe is.....

Don't bother with the proof mate, you work there so anything you say will be biased anyway.

As for Pedders, I told you what they said, there are many other members here and on other forums I know who have had issues in recent years including coils slapping and the Pedders fix...wrap the spring tops in garden hose!!!!!!

Yeah, you keep your Pedders, the bogon attitude and find yourself somewhere else to hang out where people of your type generally hang out.

when i said say it to my face that was in no way a threat thats just the way it is .. and im pretty sure the motto is no bull???? and please do tell me where people of my type hang out??

i dont believe everything i read but i do how ever believe what i see when its infront of me and not in words,now maybe not all pedders products are made in australia this i dont know but i know for a FACT the springs are 100% aussie made and tests have shown time and time again that our pedders springs are way better than kings lows or super lows. as for you recieving bad springs once again i dont know this so im not going to comment but im sure if it did happen it was corrected , it would be the same as mitsubishi selling cars than instantly blow up after 5months of driving the first time they would some how get out of it but if it happened time and time again im sure they would be shut down very quickly . i have been with pedders for a while now and i have NEVER heard of anyone bringing a snapped spring back sadly i cant say the same for kings when i can go in to the workshop at anytime and pick up a set of snapped kings and one last thing (not at all implied in a childish way) the laughing at me thing might be something easy to do do when ur looking at a computer but u wouldnt for very long if u did it to my face. go back to tafe you tosser and do another 20 years i think you need it


I would ban you just for that comment and + just because you think you are big and you think you are tough doesnt mean you are. I have seen plenty of people like you who think they can fight and intimate people but yet they all get there **** handed to them by someone half there size, its quiet funny really.

Also
Madmagna your full of great advice and you are a asset to AMC your one of the few peoples opinions/advice on this site that i listen to and take.

P.S i would be happy and wouldn't hold anything against you if you banned this idiot. lol

But there is a big jump in price over new OE style shock and coil overs... I couldn't see the value in spending big dollars like that unless i was going to spend most of my time on a track! lol Maybe im just getting old....

Nah mate, if you are going coil overs, you really need to be serious about going low and fast. For what you do, the SP's are great, lows are also great if you want that extra 10mm

The KYB are ok, little over gassed IMO, Monroe are also very good for the $$ but unless you are going Koni or better, Boge are a fantastic all round damper


I would ban you just for that comment and + just because you think you are big and you think you are tough doesnt mean you are. I have seen plenty of people like you who think they can fight and intimate people but yet they all get there **** handed to them by someone half there size, its quiet funny really.
Dont worry mate, he has little wang syndrome, needs to talk big and thinks in doing so will get some sales here. His product is so great that he has to try and flame another product to show everyone how good his is. This is generally done by people who know what they sell is crap. Shame of this really is that Pedders used to be the spring of choice, used to run them in my rally car, track car etc and was not all that long ago that I was telling people on this very forum that Pedders were the way to go and kings while ok were inferior. Oh well.

I would ban you just for that comment and + just because you think you are big and you think you are tough doesnt mean you are. I have seen plenty of people like you who think they can fight and intimate people but yet they all get there **** handed to them by someone half there size, its quiet funny really.

Also
Madmagna your full of great advice and you are a asset to AMC your one of the few peoples opinions/advice on this site that i listen to and take.

P.S i would be happy and wouldn't hold anything against you if you banned this idiot. lol

im not big im actually pretty short a few people here have seen me im sure they will agree

Nah mate, if you are going coil overs, you really need to be serious about going low and fast. For what you do, the SP's are great, lows are also great if you want that extra 10mm

The KYB are ok, little over gassed IMO, Monroe are also very good for the $$ but unless you are going Koni or better, Boge are a fantastic all round damper


Dont worry mate, he has little wang syndrome, needs to talk big and thinks in doing so will get some sales here. His product is so great that he has to try and flame another product to show everyone how good his is. This is generally done by people who know what they sell is crap. Shame of this really is that Pedders used to be the spring of choice, used to run them in my rally car, track car etc and was not all that long ago that I was telling people on this very forum that Pedders were the way to go and kings while ok were inferior. Oh well.

how is pedders my product ?? i work for them i dont make them or own the company its a job for me that pays money , im not backing them up bcoz i work there im backing them up against kings

if you want that extra 10mm




Dont worry mate, he has little wang syndrome.

Do i detect a theme here? lol

Do i detect a theme here? lol


anyways before my ban comes along ima clear my side up , madmagna , you saying pedders springs are made in mexico was and is wrong , you picking kings over pedders is your choice but imo its a bad move , you telling me to "shut my damn mouth" and saying your laughing at me is guna piss me off and i wont take it lying down plain and simple. you said that im here flaming a product ? now isnt that exactly what you did by saying " your problem is pedders " and "they are mexican made crap" ??

anyways before my ban comes along ima clear my side up , madmagna , you saying pedders springs are made in mexico was and is wrong , you picking kings over pedders is your choice but imo its a bad move , you telling me to "shut my damn mouth" and saying your laughing at me is guna piss me off and i wont take it lying down plain and simple. you said that im here flaming a product ? now isnt that exactly what you did by saying " your problem is pedders " and "they are mexican made crap" ??

Wasn't going to bother but what the hell

If you had perhaps approached the post of mine in a similar way to the above post, I may have responded to you and treated you as someone who has an IQ over 10

You initial reply was heated, abusive and insulting right off the bat.

A simple comment such as "mate, they are actually made in Melbourne" would have done the same thing but no, you had to go off your tits

And flaming Pedders, I do not work for a company selling Kings or Pedders, I have simply spoken from experience and also from what a former employee of Pedders posted all over the net until Pedders threatened to sue him and shut him down.

As I stated before, I stand by Kings, have never seen any snap when installed properly, have not had them sag, have not had them slap etc etc.

ok guys how about we end this crap about pedders and get back to helping out mike
everyone has there own opinon on what spring is better, but until they fail on you then you'll know there crap
its more trail and error, but also going off what other people recommend due to the experience with the product
i would trust madmagna as he knows what he is talking about and has probuley had experience with all types of brands of springs
but its ok for you to have your opinion to bam bam, but dont go flaming people about it, just say no i think this product is better because.....

anyways mike reread my last post ;)

ya i could hav prob worded it abit better , but from my end it was exactly as it seemed some one who knows stuff all facts about pedders. but ya im over it no point crying over spilt milk, ban or no ban im easy

I wouldn't let pedders go near my car if you paid ME.
Proof they are made in melbourne......come on...

dude ur from melb arnt you ?? if you need actual proof why dont you look up pedders main office in melb when you get there look next to it ul see another big building go inside it n see for urself . pedders was created in melb hence why alot of it is in melb

dude ur from melb arnt you ?? if you need actual proof why dont you look up pedders main office in melb when you get there look next to it ul see another big building go inside it n see for urself . pedders was created in melb hence why alot of it is in melb
cbf for crappy springs

i know each of you are pasionate about each of your springs and combinations, that is great, its good to see your opinion and your evidence for each, but can you please keep the fighting out of the thread, im just trying to find the right combination for what i want.

thanks mike

i've got king lows with kybs all round and my front bar gets a hammering every day

mike if your interested i might be having my koni reds with the kings superlow/low combo for sale as im thinking about getting coilovers ;)

i think you should look at my last post mike ;)

i think you should look at my last post mike ;)

how much would u be looking at, if you like send me a pm.

mike if your interested i might be having my koni reds with the kings superlow/low combo for sale as im thinking about getting coilovers ;)

This would be a fantastic combo given the Kings go well with Koni

I like Lovell springs,can sometimes be a little softer in rate than Kings which isnt bad in the right application,take your pick!,i have used them in alot of cars,never a drama

steve

ok, it's my turn to hijack this thread now :badgrin:

suspension is the next thing to go on my car, the previous owner had it lowered but went with REALLY SOFT springs over monroe GT gas shocks. this setup is HORRIBLE, fronts bottom out over the big bumps, body roll is real bad, the car is waay too 'floaty'.

anyway, i want something nice and stiff, low but not stupid, and something that will last.
for something to compare, my parents drive a wrx ('98, club spec evo 2) and i like the way that feels to drive, nice and sharp, fairly stiff, etc. i'd like my suspension feeling like that i guess, but maybe a little stiffer even :P


suspension is not something i know much about, so any advice will be appreciated.
this is what i'm thinking at the moment:

-KYB shocks
-King spring lows
-Whiteline sway bars (and maybe strut braces too. is there a rear brace to fit a TR magna??)
-Urethane bushes all round
-New bumpstops cos mine are either ****ed or not there at all

been to autobarn for some rough prices and was told to "expect anything from $2500 - $4000", "but it will probably be about $3000ish"

does this sound reasonable??
opinions on any/all of the parts stated above??
how stiff are kings and what are KYB shocks like??
how easy/hard would it be to install myself??

and finally, would i be better off just going for a set of coilovers? how much would that cost? and what are the reasons for/against coilovers??



sorry guys :redface: figured there's no point starting a new thread

thanks - Dan.

This would be a fantastic combo given the Kings go well with Koni

its a very good combo
i'll be very sad to let these good as they give an awesome ride
the only reason why i might be parting with them is cause i want the car lower, so im thinking about getting the coilovers in the phillcom group buy (k sport ones)

not sure on price yet mike

ok, it's my turn to hijack this thread now :badgrin:

suspension is the next thing to go on my car, the previous owner had it lowered but went with REALLY SOFT springs over monroe GT gas shocks. this setup is HORRIBLE, fronts bottom out over the big bumps, body roll is real bad, the car is waay too 'floaty'.

anyway, i want something nice and stiff, low but not stupid, and something that will last.
for something to compare, my parents drive a wrx ('98, club spec evo 2) and i like the way that feels to drive, nice and sharp, fairly stiff, etc. i'd like my suspension feeling like that i guess, but maybe a little stiffer even :P


suspension is not something i know much about, so any advice will be appreciated.
this is what i'm thinking at the moment:

-KYB shocks
-King spring lows
-Whiteline sway bars (and maybe strut braces too. is there a rear brace to fit a TR magna??)
-Urethane bushes all round
-New bumpstops cos mine are either ****ed or not there at all

been to autobarn for some rough prices and was told to "expect anything from $2500 - $4000", "but it will probably be about $3000ish"

does this sound reasonable??
opinions on any/all of the parts stated above??
how stiff are kings and what are KYB shocks like??
how easy/hard would it be to install myself??

and finally, would i be better off just going for a set of coilovers? how much would that cost? and what are the reasons for/against coilovers??



sorry guys :redface: figured there's no point starting a new thread

thanks - Dan.

Ok heres an honest answer if you want it to handle even remotely close to a club spec rex

-KYB shocks- Forget them Koni yellows looking at 900 for a set of 4
-King spring lows- Yep the 30mm sports work well here
-Whiteline sway bars (and maybe strut braces too. is there a rear brace to fit a TR magna??) yes and yes
-Urethane bushes all round- Forget it, they are too much effort for the gain and you need to lube them every 3 months or they fall apart
-New bumpstops cos mine are either ****ed or not there at all - if they are the same as 3g they are about 60 bucks each

Being its a magna it wont get very close to a wrx, but you can get it resonably decent

Ok heres an honest answer if you want it to handle even remotely close to a club spec rex

-KYB shocks- Forget them Koni yellows looking at 900 for a set of 4
-King spring lows- Yep the 30mm sports work well here
-Whiteline sway bars (and maybe strut braces too. is there a rear brace to fit a TR magna??) yes and yes
-Urethane bushes all round- Forget it, they are too much effort for the gain and you need to lube them every 3 months or they fall apart
-New bumpstops cos mine are either ****ed or not there at all - if they are the same as 3g they are about 60 bucks each

Being its a magna it wont get very close to a wrx, but you can get it resonably decent

Have to say I agree with all of the above with exception to my prefrence being boge over KYB but all the rest is good

There is no use putting a strut brace in the rear as the rear strut has absolutely nothing to do with allignment

If you are going to replace bushes, use rubber. Think about the fact that what you have has lasted over 15 years so far??

Also get yourself some monroe strut savers, these will protect your investment from dirt etc

Have to say I agree with all of the above with exception to my prefrence being boge over KYB but all the rest is good

There is no use putting a strut brace in the rear as the rear strut has absolutely nothing to do with allignment

If you are going to replace bushes, use rubber. Think about the fact that what you have has lasted over 15 years so far??

Also get yourself some monroe strut savers, these will protect your investment from dirt etc

I actually said go Koni's but meh, im in a nit picky mood this evening

if getting 2nd gen parts is anything like 1st gens you are going to struggle to get rubber replacements, there are very few to no after market ones so all you will be able to get is what Mitsubishi still have in stock. I went looking for bushes for my TP and Mitsubishi Victoria had 1 pair of front bushes left and that was it.

Bump stops $25 ea (pricey if you ask me for a bit of freeken pre moulded foam) from SHOCK HORROR pedders.

if getting 2nd gen parts is anything like 1st gens you are going to struggle to get rubber replacements, there are very few to no after market ones so all you will be able to get is what Mitsubishi still have in stock. I went looking for bushes for my TP and Mitsubishi Victoria had 1 pair of front bushes left and that was it.



that's what i've been told by autobarn ("it will be easier and maybe cheaper to get urethane if you want to replace all the bushes") i believe nolathane make the full set.

as for feeling like the rex, i know it never will. i just used that as an example, the type of ride i would like to have.


so, you guys say get better shocks than KYB, rubber bushes, sway bars and no strut braces??
what's the go with coilovers, what benefits etc.??

that's what i've been told by autobarn ("it will be easier and maybe cheaper to get urethane if you want to replace all the bushes") i believe nolathane make the full set.

as for feeling like the rex, i know it never will. i just used that as an example, the type of ride i would like to have.


so, you guys say get better shocks than KYB, rubber bushes, sway bars and no strut braces??
what's the go with coilovers, what benefits etc.??

First up, dont bother with nolathane bushes, i used to sell the things, they are too hard and they crack if you dont regularly lube the damn things.

It comes down to budget, if your on a budget KYB's, King 30mm lows, front and rear swaybar and a front strut brace will give you awesome bang for buck

Then depending on budget switch kyb's out for koni's king lows to custom kings etc etc

Just to add a little more fuel to fire, today i sent several packages back for R/R which were Pedders springs and shock absorbers. 6 springs to be exact, he showed me that 2 springs had excessive stress cracks in the inner section of spring, 1 had broken completely in halve, and 3 had lots of give (ie i could push it down a good 10 inches or so with one hand) as for the shocks, well all 4 had no gas left in them and the rod did not return.

These were out of a 1997 Camry.