Hi All I've just purchased a set of Narva fog lamps - part no. 72240. The sales chick was dah they don't look sporty though - and I said "yes but at least I don't drive with my high beams on in the fog" **blank stare**.

Anyway, the lights fit perfectly in to the factory cut outs (Ok near perfect, I'll need to make a custom surround, or cut the old place filler. But how to mount? The lights have a single mounting post. The only option I can see is to drill a hole in the plastic of my bumper. I'll do it if I have to but don't particularly wat to at this stage - I'd prefer a more secure option.

I know the fog lamps issue has been done to death, but I haven't seen an answer on how to attach the actual lamp yet.

Cheers
David

I would be interested in this aswell actually, saves me from looking and finding my own place to put it :D :bouncin:

I thought there was a mounting hole in the front bumper bar reinforcement? You would have to make a surround to fully fill the bumper cover hole out of perspex or similar. MDF which is primed (important) + enamel coated would be easy to work with and quite durable.

I just drilled a hole in the upper part of the bumper, just make sure you don't drill too close to the edge, and you'll be fine. Once you have drilled it, use large washers on BOTH sides of the bumper and tighten, but not over tighten.

it's strong enough to hold it.

Oright, I just spoke to an Auto-electrician about fitting the lamps. An install of lamps will only cost $50-60 - hell at that price I can't be bothered doing it myself. He's expressed that modern cars were a "Pain in the arse" to work with because of the plastic bumpers. If I can make up metal mounting brakets in advance and fit the lights myself he'll wire them up to my specifications. Speaking with a few people, the bumper must be reinforced - I'm heading out over bumpy dirt roads all the time (probably should have a four wheeler) - I don't want my lights to snap the bumper and fall out! Anyone made up a similar type of bracket? I was just thinking about popping in to my old Mitre 10 and grabbing some large Pryda plates, nice and wide to reinforce the bumper a bit btter than just a few washers.

As far as cut outs go I'm thinking along the lines of cutting the "cutouts" with a hot knife - since they were factory fit and have all the mounting holes and stuff, seems like a good way to go.

Dave

I drove through Middle NSW last week and got a locust respray on teh front of my car. I had to pull the whole front end off to clean the buggers out and my car still stinks. Why am I saying this well I got a good look at the mounting brakets that you are talking about and would be happy to draw up a diagram of how to build them to fit a standard bumper. I assume the plastic inserts are removable on a normal bumper and that you can then just screw these brakets on.

See later for diagrams.

Allpaw that would be nuts (aka great)! I was gonna pull my bumper off today to have a good look. I've got friends who can make the braket for me. Once made I'd be happy to get more made for other people. Yes the plastic panel is removeable - two bols on one side, one screw at the front.

I had some "real" fog lights on my old Charade, and mounted them from the bottom (upright), as they fitted better, just bolted them to holes drilled in the plastic bumper. When they were mounted, they shook like buggery, so I got a couple of stainless hose clamps, the screw ones, and cut the clamp strip in half opposite the screw and straightened it out, using it as an adjustable length strap. I then drilled a couple of holes in either end of my clamp strip and screwed it to the light at the top and the bumper, and adjusted the length with the screw, leaving the lights solid as a rock. They were then mounted by their proper mounting at the bottom, and held in place at the top by the hose clamp.

This probably makes no sense, but I hope you can understand it.

whas the prob with gettin factory fogs like the verada or whatever has em, are they exy or something....shaun

$300-400 per light is the problem. Paid $149 for this kit. Auto-lecky will charge me $50 install. I just need someway to mount the suckers.

Hey Preacher Man,

Do you know if they make Driving Lights/Spotlights in this size/style? Or do they only come in a Yellow Fog style?

Oh, and no, I'm not one of those wankers who leaves his spotlights on all the time :roll: , when I get some they will be wired up to only go on when the high-beams come on. Just thought I'd defend myself. :cool:

Problem with driving/spot lights is that when you mount them low, you don't get any distance out of them. You need to mount them at the same height as the headlights. I doubt you want to put them on the roof rack, and look like a real redneck!

I'm still trying to figure out brackets! I'm going to try crimping some aluminium this weekend in to a C shaped bracket that fits the mounting posts. Expensive experiment - Aluminium bar $15 for 1.8 metres.

Yeah the fogs are mounted low for a reason ... to cut through the fog with minimum back scatter. Fogs aren't about long distance - two purposes high visibility to oncoming traffic, and to provide better illumination than headlights. Considering that highbeams and spots would ultimately lead to my death in fog, true fog lamps are being mounted low in the bumper.
When I mount my spots - they will sit on a uni bar above the number plate - unless of course I can get a conformal bull bar.

Oright, I've given up and have purchased a unibar to mount my fogs. Looks a little strange with yellow lights mounted on teh front bumper.
I gave up on brackets - too hard or too expensive, so drilled a hole in the bumper only to find I couldn't adjust the mounting points properly, and the lights stuck out to far, so I've popped the covers back on and fitted a uni bar. Next question is, now that I have a uni bar with fogs, where the hell do I mount my spots??

I'm going to hot knife cut the covers and duct them to the brakes.

Can you have a uni bar above and below the number plate? May look a bit dicky though?

Crappy shrunken image of my old Charade attached with all its lights. Lovely to drive at night.

Hey Richard that looks just what I want to do!

Hey Preacher Man,

Do you know if they make Driving Lights/Spotlights in this size/style? Or do they only come in a Yellow Fog style?

Oh, and no, I'm not one of those wankers who leaves his spotlights on all the time :roll: , when I get some they will be wired up to only go on when the high-beams come on. Just thought I'd defend myself. :cool:
Hey Damien, yes they make proper driving/spot lights in this style. Check this link Narva (http://www.narva.com.au/ForwardLighting5.html) . Narva has a heaps good range of lights.


Oh to keep you up to date, I can't get my Unibar to fit now! the number plate cut out is not wide enough. I'll play around with it tommorrow - Alex any clues?

Thanks Preacher Man and 89GSR for the info.

I know that you're supposed to mount driving lights up higher than where the factory foggies are, but I don't want to spoil the lines of my car, so there will be no bullbar or roof rack for my car, nosiree. lol The reason I asked is because when I drive the BA XR6 at night, the factory driving lights really make a significant difference, not so much distance-wise, but your immediate surroundings are much more highlighted. I guess what I'm trying to say is I feel safer with them on. And there's not much fog around here, so I don't really need yellow fog lamps.

I'll check out that website, thanks again guys!

Those lights on the BA are fog lamps, broad beam, but white light. Driving with them on at night without any fog is illegal. It's happening so much more these days, as more cars come with them standard. Driving lights should only come on with high beam. Fog lights can come on with parkers, and that's how I wired up the Charade ones, as I would also have the lights on warning buzzer if I left them on.

Oright!!!! I've got one light fitted. Had to have a serious play around today. The grille things either side of teh number plate - I took them out, and have mounted the lights in to teh metal of the car. I'll put photos up later so you can see what I mean. But yeah - had to bend the piping in front of the radiator grill (I think this is the power steering cooler?????) to get the lights to fit properly. Had to remove the nose grill to get in. That thing is a tricky little devil to get back on!! The centr clips are very finiky! Anyway now I have a car that looks like a radar car. One light! down low! Work on teh other one on monday.

If you fit a bullbar that has lower bumper protection bars, you can mount the fog lights there. I've had alot of fun trying to fit foglights to my cars, 5 cars so far, with the last 4 also having Cibie driving lights fitted.
Here's my 121 with an early set up. I think that was the first of 3 sets of fogs I had on the car. And a dodgy photoshop I did for another forum a few years ago!

Oright they are fitted and preacher man can see through fog!!! :dancin: Pics attached.
Pretty much to get them installed remove the radiator splash guard, and front grill (carefully).
Remove plastic grills from lower front bumper and drill upwards in to the chasis. It is a 3/8" hole. The lights must be positioned in exacatly the right spot that allows them to pivot and to be angled up or down (adjusted in laymans terms :D ). On teh left hand side (looking head on) there is piping in front of the radiator - I think that this is the power steering cooler - these must be bent gently to allow room for the light.

Any questions just ask.

Cheers
Dave

Very snazzy!

I drove through Middle NSW last week and got a locust respray on teh front of my car. I had to pull the whole front end off to clean the buggers out and my car still stinks. Why am I saying this well I got a good look at the mounting brakets that you are talking about and would be happy to draw up a diagram of how to build them to fit a standard bumper. I assume the plastic inserts are removable on a normal bumper and that you can then just screw these brakets on.

See later for diagrams.

dude is that your car man, looks unreal, 2 door is it, i didnt know they made 2 door magnas,

do you have more pic's looks unreal man

neat install preacher man. u could mount your spotties behind the grill or cutout the grille as neatly to have em sitting flush with the cars front now.

Thanks Guys, I have a tip for you. The fog lamps are proper fog lamps, that is they have yellow glass (the yellow wavelength of light is not as easily disrupted by obstacles eg water molecules or dust in the air - blue is more noticeable, red travels the furthest etc etc - trucks often have red "dust lamps" for dust storms, as they are more visible than yellow) The lens dispurses the light wide - so in terms of lighting up the road(not their purpose) the beam is visible for maybe 10 metres in front but throws very wide to the sides. That said, it doesn't change the fact that to oncoming traffic they are still very very bright.

Do up teh bolts nicce and tight, coz I had mine lose enough to adjust with by poking real hard - well it was also enough to jiggle its'ef to be pointing upwards - when night came and the fog fell I was blinding oncoming drivers - and they were high beaming me (rightly so). Point them down towards the ground if anything fellas, coz that's where they are supposed to be.

I've got them hooked up so they can be switched on with the parkers - coz you really don't want to be using your high beams in the fog.

Those blastic "gilles" are removeable - four screws on each. I cut out about a 4 inch section of each and screwed each side back on. It's really soft plastic and easy to cut. Was thinking about meshing it, but I have a thing against mesh :P

Preacher man, you said you had a unibar, how did that go? Were you able to mount it properly?

On the TE's the numberplate is mounted in a deep recess. There is a spaced to bring the numberplate flush with the front bar. The unibar was too wide to fit in to this recess, and the spacer was too weak to support the unibar. To cut to the chase, the unibar wouldn't fit my car. Check the mounting for your numberplate, as I reckon they've done away with that deep recess thingy now - and I've seen a number of Magnas with unibars, unfortunately mine was not so universal!

Hi,
Sorta off the topic a little... apart from the price (yikes!), is there any difference between the standard driving lights (Verada, etc) and the aftermarket fog lamps? I want to put the Verada-type ones on my Advance and was wondering if they're any good or not (brightness, etc).
Thanks if anyone can help.

The OE Verada fogs are fairly effective, fit the car and are legal, alot of aftermarket lights aren't. However, at the prices mentioned I would look at some Cibie or Hella fog lights. As a matter of interest, I've got a pair of 180mm Narve fog lights in the shed which I pulled off my commodore, over heating issues! They will be staying in the shed when I get the Verada this week, sadly so will my Cibie Oscars :cry: