I have them in my car, along with sport ryder shocks (springs 2" lower) but they feel almost stock. I have had kings and they were stiff and had no body roll at all (in a lancer not a magna), but i would have thought the springs would be a fair bit stiffer? Am i just nuts?

I have them in my car, along with sport ryder shocks (springs 2" lower) but they feel almost stock. I have had kings and they were stiff and had no body roll at all (in a lancer not a magna), but i would have thought the springs would be a fair bit stiffer? Am i just nuts?

Pretty sure the Pedders are a softer spring in terms of compression

its rather annoying, even brand new it felt stock... even goin over a speed hump it almost bounces back to position like a sponge...

I know I will get flamed for saying this but your issue is Pedders.....

I would prefer stock spring over Pedders to be honest. Your best bet is find someone to buy the pedders and pop in Kings. You said yourself you were happy with them in the Lancer.

Just do not expect even the kings to be as hard as they were in the Lancer as the Magna is much more heavy

I have the same spring. I want lower :( im on super lows. Could I compress the springs as well?

I love the King Lows in mine. Minimal body roll now

I know I will get flamed for saying this but your issue is Pedders.....

I would prefer stock spring over Pedders to be honest. Your best bet is find someone to buy the pedders and pop in Kings. You said yourself you were happy with them in the Lancer.

Just do not expect even the kings to be as hard as they were in the Lancer as the Magna is much more heavy

Well said, I was going to post the exact thing, but didn't want a flame war :) You're an admin, you can get away with it <3

Owen - Ditch the pedders, pop in some King SL',s and Custom rears (65mm lower rears ftw?) :)

Well said, I was going to post the exact thing, but didn't want a flame war :) You're an admin, you can get away with it <3

Owen - Ditch the pedders, pop in some King SL',s and Custom rears (65mm lower rears ftw?) :)
:stoopid: i have kings superlows on my car and love them, stiff in comparison to the standard springs

:stoopid: i have kings superlows on my car and love them, stiff in comparison to the standard springs

As do I :)

not sure who would flame u... i don't want to be flamed for this either, but i've heard from various drivers who drive commodore's, falcon's, magna's and liberty's saying that pedder springs aren't that great, they're ok at first but within a few months/thousand km's they get soft

not sure who would flame u... i don't want to be flamed for this either, but i've heard from various drivers who drive commodore's, falcon's, magna's and liberty's saying that pedder springs aren't that great, they're ok at first but within a few months/thousand km's they get soft

Lenda is the perfect example of this... My kings have been in for a good 35,000kms plus however long Mark had them in his rada for with the rear with no problems whatsoever - They are still as stiff as the day I bought them.

I may get in trouble for this. Any how, someone I know used to work for Teneco Monroe here in Adelaide, next to the Mits factory. Any way, he once told me that they manufactured pedders springs and shocks along side (separate assembly line) to their own Monroe products and the design/spec/manufacturing standards of the pedders were lower then their own.

i sense a fight :bowrofl:

I may get in trouble for this. Any how, someone I know used to work for Teneco Monroe here in Adelaide, next to the Mits factory. Any way, he once told me that they manufactured pedders springs and shocks along side (separate assembly line) to their own Monroe products and the design/spec/manufacturing standards of the pedders were lower then their own.

Monroe made their shocks i thought to and rebadged/painted them for pedders,but they do make there own springs,some bloke on here works for them,he and madmagna are good friends i think :boxing: :D

Hhaha, the good old debate.

I have wasted thousands on Pedders equipment. Non stop issues. Ended up going to kings with all my cars that had pedders.
As Mal said, go Kings. Yeah there is better but better is always huge $$$.
Kings are a great setup for someone that doesnt have huge $$ to spend on suspension.

More threads on damn springs?

Seriously

L 2 S E A R C H

Please....

Monroe have made shockers for pedders for years!
just valved to suit pedders specs.

pedders are awesome, i think you should get them fitted asap!!





































no, not really

Just to throw a curveball into the mix...

I've had Pedders SportsRyders for a year and a bit now, and I'm happy with them. Still on factory shocks (changing soon) but I'm pleased with how they perform and how they look (I'm sure others will disagree).

I have them in my car, along with sport ryder shocks (springs 2" lower) but they feel almost stock. I have had kings and they were stiff and had no body roll at all (in a lancer not a magna), but i would have thought the springs would be a fair bit stiffer? Am i just nuts?

First of all, the idea of a lancer having no body roll with Kings is absurd. Off-the-shelf kings springs range from around 20-50% stiffer than factory springs (depending on which spring exactly), which is still very soft.

But perhaps in relation to a manga, a lancer of similar setup would feel a bit 'stiffer' due to its smaller wheelbase/track. There are numerous other factors which can play a role, e.g high profile vs low profile tyres, tyre pressures etc.

Now, AFAIK king Lows for magnas are 175-185lbs (fronts, not sure about rear, probably not too far off), so perhaps find out from Pedders what rate springs you the ones you got from them are? But I'm gonna take a stab at them being no more stiffer than the kings, probably a bit softer due to the market.

The bottom line is none of the common off-the-shelf gear is particularly stiff, if you want something more along the lines you'll need to look at custom higher rate springs andcustom shocks, or a coilover setup with higher spring rates- there are a couple of off-the-shelf options now for magnas.

To give you an idea, the spring rates I'm running in my setup (400lbs) are well over double that of the King Lows, and I still consider my ride to be more than tolerable for Sydney streets (subjective). You can go MUCH stiffer than off-the-shelf kings/peddars/lovells stuff if that's what you want.

You need to be specific on what sort of application/ride/traits you want, and then you'll get more specific advice.

First of all, the idea of a lancer having no body roll with Kings is absurd. Off-the-shelf kings springs range from around 20-50% stiffer than factory springs (depending on which spring exactly), which is still very soft.

But perhaps in relation to a manga, a lancer of similar setup would feel a bit 'stiffer' due to its smaller wheelbase/track. There are numerous other factors which can play a role, e.g high profile vs low profile tyres, tyre pressures etc.

Now, AFAIK king Lows for magnas are 175-185lbs (fronts, not sure about rear, probably not too far off), so perhaps find out from Pedders what rate springs you the ones you got from them are? But I'm gonna take a stab at them being no more stiffer than the kings, probably a bit softer due to the market.

The bottom line is none of the common off-the-shelf gear is particularly stiff, if you want something more along the lines you'll need to look at custom higher rate springs andcustom shocks, or a coilover setup with higher spring rates- there are a couple of off-the-shelf options now for magnas.

To give you an idea, the spring rates I'm running in my setup (400lbs) are well over double that of the King Lows, and I still consider my ride to be more than tolerable for Sydney streets (subjective). You can go MUCH stiffer than off-the-shelf kings/peddars/lovells stuff if that's what you want.

You need to be specific on what sort of application/ride/traits you want, and then you'll get more specific advice.

I wouldnt say quite no body roll on the lancer no, but it was definatly freakin stiff! what sort of price am i looking at for coilovers or custom srpings that u mention?

Not applicable to compare srings made to 2 different cars.
Pedders Sports Ryder spring rates are ruffly on the 170 lbs mark, can't remember exact figures - B and F are slightly different. Std springs are on the 140 lbs mark (non Sports, VRX etc). So there is a difference, theoretically.
Shocks made in same factory doesn't mean they are of same properties, as noted before. But Monroe Gas are prolly best value for bucks, stiffer than KYB (we're still talking about Magnas).
Checked Whiteline products yet? They don't go extremely low, though, if that's what ppl are after. Dunno rates, unfortunately.

Springs shouldnt be used to control body roll anyways i have been told,that is what you have swaybars for,for a spring too give enough force to stop body roll alot ,it would have to be quite stiff and probably no ideal in its rate for doing its intended purpose of supporting the weight of the vehicle and keeping the tread don the road

Check the swaybar sizes answell on both vehicles maybe?

Steve

Springs shouldnt be used to control body roll anyways i have been told,that is what you have swaybars for,for a spring too give enough force to stop body roll alot ,it would have to be quite stiff and probably no ideal in its rate for doing its intended purpose of supporting the weight of the vehicle and keeping the tread don the road



The vast majority of roll resistance comes from the springs, the swaybars play a far lesser role. Yes, when we are talking road cars where the main aim is ride compliance, you are severely limited in your spring rates. Adding stiffer swaybars allows you to add a little more roll resistance without affecting ride compliance, BUT only to a fairly limited extent.

You can't simply add massively stiff swaybars to a softly sprung car for a good results, as swaybars have inherent drawbacks and can't be used to supply most of the role resistance of a car. Essentially, overly stiff swaybars reduce overall grip by effectively applying lifting force to the inside wheel under cornering, and do funny things to the handling because unlike the springs, swaybars do not have dampers on them to control them.

Also alot of people seem to forget that while stiffer swaybars add a little roll resistance, they do nothing for squating/diving behaviour, which is just as important to have control over as lateral movement. A car that's very stiff side-to-side but squats and dives too much is still a poor handling/slow car.

Dude, I'll show you my Kings tomorrow, You'll want to rip those pedders out asap.