I looking forward to upgrade stock 6x9 speakers and at the same I will buy an amp. I have research ebay and online websites. There is two come cross my mine, I not sure this two will waste of time and money, in-terms compatibility of watts and performance and so on
The speaker and amp as follow:

http://www.pioneer.com.au/Products/Car%20Entertainment/Speakers/TS%20A6982S.aspx
http://www.sony.com.au/xplod/catalog/product.jsp?id=XMZR602

My stereo is more than 4 years old, in fact, i can listen to Ipod via wireless transmitter.

Can someone give some advice? Money is limited to AUD500

Music I will listen to any, from Popular music to Techno.

mate i would recommend having a look at the Response group buy right now!

For $500 you could probably get 6x9s, splits for the front and the 4x100W amp.

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64364

mate i would recommend having a look at the Response group buy right now!

For $500 you could probably get 6x9s, splits for the front and the 4x100W amp.

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64364

Seconded.

Just remember, You'll need some $100 for wiring aswell.

I more interested in Brand products . Do I have to buy extra wire as well? So the wiring exclude labour?

I wouldn't be too worried about 'brand' name products. I you have a budget like that I would get the best value for money and don't let the brand influence your choice. The Response gear has a reputation for performing well beyond their price and outshining 'brand' name components that are more expensive... I know as I have installed them in a few cars now. You may get slightly better but you won't have anything left for cabling, fuses, battery terminal or anything like that which people often forget about.

Example using only the parts in the group buy:

6x9 CS2378 $100 (RRP$149)
Kevlar cone
Soft dome tweeter

Splits CS2338 $185 (RRP$299 on special right now at Jaycar for $249)
PMI/Kevlar composite cones
Ribbon tweeters
Seperate crossover

Amp AA0426 $185 (RRP$299 on special right now at Jaycar for $279)
4x130Wrms into 4ohms

That's $470 already and I can promise you that you wont get a brand name system for that price that will sounds anywhere near as good. The special pricing is a very good buy. Buy it off the shelf and you will be paying at least $677 so you will make significant savings.

And that's without cabling! But a simple 4gauge cabling kit from JB HIFI should do the job if you are just running the single amp.

ok. I heard JVC is good and cheap,. how about the same speaker and JVC KS-AX4302?

http://www.jvc-australia.com/JVC/client/c_products_details.jsp?catID=32&prodID=246.

What other stuffs needed? I really have no clue for other stuff needed to get it work

mate, poita has the idea, go out and buy the response stuff, the value for money is amazing!!

then just buy a 4 channel wiring kit from JB and your set!

ok. I heard JVC is good and cheap,. how about the same speaker and JVC KS-AX4302?

http://www.jvc-australia.com/JVC/client/c_products_details.jsp?catID=32&prodID=246.

JVC head units are great value for money and good quality with plenty of features. I would recommend them for that part of your system. I have a JVC headunit myself and have fitted a number to other cars with no issues.

But for speakers, in that price range I would still go the Response, the JVC aren't that good with their speakers.

JVC amps are ok, but for a little bit more you can get the 4x130W and power all of your speakers rather than just the fronts. The Signal to Noise Ratio (SNR) on the Response is 10dB better as well.

What other stuffs needed? I really have no clue for other stuff needed to get it work

Ok... this depends on where you mount your amp. I will assume under the front passenger seat.

A 4 gauge cable kit from JB HIFI (make sure it is for a 4 speaker set, not a sub wiring kit). This should come with:
2 sets of RCA cables
A length of 4 guage red and black power and ground cable
Speaker cable
Connectors
Fuse and fuse holder. This must be mounted as close to the positive battery terminal as possible.

Stinger is a good brand of kit which JB stock.

Something similar to this:
http://www.stingerelectronics.com/productDetails.aspx?delineate=578&CategoryID=19&ParentID=18

JVC amps are ok, but for a little bit more you can get the 4x130W and power all of your speakers rather than just the fronts. The Signal to Noise Ratio (SNR) on the Response is 10dB better as well.
If you compare apples with apples, the JVC mentioned above vs the Response has 20w RMS more power per channel, and is $40 cheaper... *shrugs* i know what i'd buy.
But yes, the 4x130 is good value ;)
Although I do want to point out, that everyone says Jaycar are good value for money (which i'm not denying) however you will often fine if you hunt around a bit you'll be able to get just as good, if not more bang for your buck. The thing with jaycar is (afaik) their prices are all in a fixed structure, and no discounting unless their promoted specials. Where as the 'RRP' from most other manufactures is often discounted in a retail shop, or if you're buying a whole system they may knock a bit off for you.
It is certainly worth doing your homework to get the best deal :)

Stinger is a good brand of kit which JB stock.

Something similar to this:
http:
//www.stingerelectronics.com/productDetails.aspx?delineate=578&CategoryID=19&ParentID=18 (http://www.stingerelectronics.com/productDetails.aspx?delineate=578&CategoryID=19&ParentID=18)

Stinger is nothing but a brand when it comes to cables.

They're made in the same factory from the same materials as a few other 'no name' products.

As far as wiring goes, DNA or fusion make good enough kits.

If you compare apples with apples, the JVC mentioned above vs the Response has 20w RMS more power per channel, and is $40 cheaper... *shrugs* i know what i'd buy.
But yes, the 4x130 is good value ;)
Although I do want to point out, that everyone says Jaycar are good value for money (which i'm not denying) however you will often fine if you hunt around a bit you'll be able to get just as good, if not more bang for your buck. The thing with jaycar is (afaik) their prices are all in a fixed structure, and no discounting unless their promoted specials. Where as the 'RRP' from most other manufactures is often discounted in a retail shop, or if you're buying a whole system they may knock a bit off for you.
It is certainly worth doing your homework to get the best deal :)

Granted.

However, for the money, I'de rather buy Jaycar Response series amps/speakers rather than entry level 'brand' speakers. As its been mentioned, Jaycar response punch well above their price tag, hell, as with stinger, probably made in the same factory as another brand name lol

I think you should stear clear of fleabay.

Get out there and audition lots of different speakers and keep the money in Austraila. :D

You system is only as strong as your weakest link :)

If you compare apples with apples, the JVC mentioned above vs the Response has 20w RMS more power per channel, and is $40 cheaper... *shrugs* i know what i'd buy.
But yes, the 4x130 is good value ;)

Ummm no... the Response has 30W MORE power, but is $36 dearer. Power isn't everything though. The SNR is better and the 4x130W amps have a good track record.
Both will do the job though.

I changed my mind again for amp. The amp and speaker as below:

Amp: KS-AX5602
http://www.jvc-australia.com/JVC/client/c_products_details.jsp?catID=32&prodID=248

Speaker: TS-A6982S
http://www.pioneer.com.au/Products/Car%20Entertainment/Speakers/TS%20A6982S.aspx

I am happy to pay extra money for labour and wiring kits. The main reason I would not go for Response is because I never heard of the brand and ver

I assume 4 gauge cable kit will be enough for connecting backend speaker and amp?

Stinger is nothing but a brand when it comes to cables.

They're made in the same factory from the same materials as a few other 'no name' products.

As far as wiring goes, DNA or fusion make good enough kits.

Agree to a certain extent. Look at some of the cheap kits and the gauge they advertise is the outside diameter, not the actual copper diameter... It was simply an example of a reliable brand that was affordable.

I changed my mind again for amp. The amp and speaker as below:

Amp: KS-AX5602
http://www.jvc-australia.com/JVC/client/c_products_details.jsp?catID=32&prodID=248

Speaker: TS-A6982S
http://www.pioneer.com.au/Products/Car%20Entertainment/Speakers/TS%20A6982S.aspx

I am happy to pay extra money for labour and wiring kits. The main reason I would not go for Response is because I never heard of the brand and ver

I assume 4 gauge cable kit will be enough for connecting backend speaker and amp?

4 gauge will be fine :)

I changed my mind again for amp. The amp and speaker as below:

Amp: KS-AX5602
http://www.jvc-australia.com/JVC/client/c_products_details.jsp?catID=32&prodID=248

Speaker: TS-A6982S
http://www.pioneer.com.au/Products/Car%20Entertainment/Speakers/TS%20A6982S.aspx
I am happy to pay extra money for labour and wiring kits. The main reason I would not go for Response is because I never heard of the brand and ver

I assume 4 gauge cable kit will be enough for connecting backend speaker and amp?

No 4way coaxials are questionable. What do you want, your car to sound good or loud? Go and Audition the Jaycar, they are a split system with a ribbon tweeter. Leaps ahead of peeinurear.

I bet if I through names like Peerless, Zapco, Phass, Sea Lotus you havent heard of those either but doesn't mean they are not a good brand.

One question though... can I ask why you are upgrading and amping the rears but not fronts????

No 4way coaxials are questionable. What do you want, your car to sound good or loud? Go and Audition the Jaycar, they are a split system with a ribbon tweeter. Leaps ahead of peeinurear.

I bet if I through names like Peerless, Zapco, Phass, Sea Lotus you havent heard of those either but doesn't mean they are not a good brand.

:stoopid:

And a few more:
Morel, Hertz, Rainbow, Boston

All miles ahead of the gear you are looking at and in very very expensive installs.

Agree to a certain extent. Look at some of the cheap kits and the gauge they advertise is the outside diameter, not the actual copper diameter... It was simply an example of a reliable brand that was affordable.

Yes there is a bit of difference between Jaycar 4ga and Stinger 4ga power cables....

One question though... can I ask why you are upgrading and amping the rears but not fronts????


Ah ha, that's a very very good question. The rear left speaker had blow up,so i have to unplug the cable. The front is fine. I dont want to spend money that unnecessary (in my point of view).

I run the cs 2338 with the ribbon tweeters, they amaze everybody in bang for buck especially under 200.00 now.

Ah ha, that's a very very good question. The rear left speaker had blow up,so i have to unplug the cable. The front is fine. I dont want to spend money that unnecessary (in my point of view).

you might as well upgrade with a view to the future and with prices that have been given to you for jaycar gear you really cant go wrong. although i have a JVC headunit as well as used to run JVC front splits i still think that jaycar is well worth looking into.

i myself have the jaycar 4x130WRMS amp and very very happy with it. it has been running without a fault for the last year.

besides, just because only the rear speaker is blown doesnt mean you cant replace all 4 for a good price and start enjoying your music. definitely go to jaycar and audition their speakers.. the yellow kevlar ones are your friend. i promise you will not be disappointed

tomorrow I will visit Repco, to checkout the package deal. Jaycar on friday.

Does anyone know what RMS the CS 2338 are? Can't find it on the net, i'm guessing it'd be around 90 or so?
Went into Jaycar today and they had none in stock so i asked, and the 4 employees working had no *********** idea what they were talking about.
They looked at the cs 2327 on the shelf (manager present) rated at 60wrms and said QUOTE "i'm pretty sure most of our splits are about 60".
The manager then questioned why i was amping the fronts, and told me to amp rears instead because if i don't, all i'll hear is bass coming from the back.
I know where i wont be going for advice again.

/RANT

Now can anyone please tell me the WRMS of the 2338? :)

pretty sure they are 60WRMS, but not 100% positive.

to the OP: my alpine mono died last week, so the jaycar 4x100WRMS amp has already outlived an alpine product..

Does anyone know what RMS the CS 2338 are? Can't find it on the net, i'm guessing it'd be around 90 or so?
Went into Jaycar today and they had none in stock so i asked, and the 4 employees working had no *********** idea what they were talking about.
They looked at the cs 2327 on the shelf (manager present) rated at 60wrms and said QUOTE "i'm pretty sure most of our splits are about 60".
The manager then questioned why i was amping the fronts, and told me to amp rears instead because if i don't, all i'll hear is bass coming from the back.
I know where i wont be going for advice again.

/RANT

Now can anyone please tell me the WRMS of the 2338? :)

HAHAHA sounds like he really knows what he is talking about... NOT!!

Yeah I am pretty sure they are between 60-90Wrms. Will have a look tomorrow for you.

HAHAHA sounds like he really knows what he is talking about... NOT!!

Yeah I am pretty sure they are between 60-90Wrms. Will have a look tomorrow for you.


Thanks heaps man, need to decide what splits to buy before this group buy ends.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee217/SH00T/scan0001.jpg

There ya Go. These are definately Quality over Quantity. But My 4 x 50 Bridged Clarion ( 2 x 100 Watt) has a job running them. That said the Sensitivity is quite good which makes up for the lower wattage. I believe they are power protected by the crossovers too.

Wow, thanks man, thought it would have been a lot higher than 60, seeing as though the 2327 is 60wrms and a lottt cheaper.
My amp's 2X100 so i might buy something that will use the most of my amps power :)

What do you guys think of the Morel Tempo 6 (http://www.morelhifi.com/products/mob_2way_tempo.html) (can get over $136 off RRP :)) and Focal 165VB (http://www.focalaustralia.com.au/polyglass.html) (slightly out of price range)?







PS So sorry to hi-jack thread, thought it would be better than starting yet another similar audio thread.

Mate, I suggest you ask QMD/801, Megatron, auspest, Davo! or Mischef about those 2338's. I think It was Megatron hearing these speakers that initiated the group buy.
Sycrat got some Hertz ESK-165 and they are not even a comparison for these baby's. I lucked out on them as I got my first pair X-demo for $75.00.

QMD801 thought mine un-amped were better than his amped. Hence he is getting a set. For clarity they are unbelievable.

Anddon't believe every wattage claim you see, My harman Kardon Home reciever is 5 x 30 watts and will wake the neighbourhood. Or 2 x 40 watts in stereo lol

Wow, thanks man, thought it would have been a lot higher than 60, seeing as though the 2327 is 60wrms and a lottt cheaper.
My amp's 2X100 so i might buy something that will use the most of my amps power :)

What do you guys think of the Morel Tempo 6 (http://www.morelhifi.com/products/mob_2way_tempo.html) (can get over $136 off RRP :)) and Focal 165VB (http://www.focalaustralia.com.au/polyglass.html) (slightly out of price range)?

PS So sorry to hi-jack thread, thought it would be better than starting yet another similar audio thread.

2x100W amp is fine for the CS-2338 splits. Gives the amp a bit of headroom, which is a good thing!

As far as the Morels go, I have some Pulse 6 splits in my car and love them. The Tempo is the Pulse replacement and better. You won't go wrong with them I can assure you. Very balanced and musical. Mine are rated at 120Wrms and I am running them with the 2x150wrms Response amp and they sound great!

I am not a huge fan of the focal entry level range... but that's just personal taste.

FHRX Studios has the Tempo 6" splits on sale for $199 :shock: RRP$335
Now that I have seem that, that would be the way to go. I am tempted to buy a set and shift the Pulse 6's to the rear...

2x100W amp is fine for the CS-2338 splits. Gives the amp a bit of headroom, which is a good thing!

As far as the Morels go, I have some Pulse 6 splits in my car and love them. The Tempo is the Pulse replacement and better. You won't go wrong with them I can assure you. Very balanced and musical. Mine are rated at 120Wrms and I am running them with the 2x150wrms Response amp and they sound great!

I am not a huge fan of the focal entry level range... but that's just personal taste.

FHRX Studios has the Tempo 6" splits on sale for $199 :shock: RRP$335
Now that I have seem that, that would be the way to go. I am tempted to buy a set and shift the Pulse 6's to the rear...


Haha yeah that's why i said i could get them for $136 off, because i checked the FHRX website, such a bargain (mainly the reason why i'm considering them).
Would work out about the same price as the cs2338's through group buy.
But they are rated at 120wrms, and my amp is 2X100, would this be a really bad thing, or better than buying the response's?

Haha yeah that's why i said i could get them for $136 off, because i checked the FHRX website, such a bargain (mainly the reason why i'm considering them).
Would work out about the same price as the cs2338's through group buy.
But they are rated at 120wrms, and my amp is 2X100, would this be a really bad thing, or better than buying the response's?

Nope. Your ears would hurt at 120Wrms (may be a bit exaggerated :P). I am not running my amp any where near full power and they go very loud. You would be fine as long as you don't run your amp flat out 24/7.

With either of them you will be happy :)

If you are going to do it properly, get the following:
Focal Plain Chant tiles to stick on the outside skin of the door directly behind the speaker
Some 3mm MDF, duct tape and a heap of Stinger or Dynamat deadening to seal and deaden the doors.

Will make the speakers sound much better! I couldn't believe how much midbass I was missing.

Nope. Your ears would hurt at 120Wrms (may be a bit exaggerated :P). I am not running my amp any where near full power and they go very loud. You would be fine as long as you don't run your amp flat out 24/7.

With either of them you will be happy :)

If you are going to do it properly, get the following:
Focal Plain Chant tiles to stick on the outside skin of the door directly behind the speaker
Some 3mm MDF, duct tape and a heap of Stinger or Dynamat deadening to seal and deaden the doors.

Will make the speakers sound much better! I couldn't believe how much midbass I was missing.


So my better option ATM would be to take advantage of this morel special and run my amp at about 90% gain (to be safe), giving the splits 90WRMS per channel?
Rather than buying the CS-2338 and running my amp at 60%

Dynamat is extremely overpriced IMO, i will at least make mdf baffles to mount the woofers on.

So my better option ATM would be to take advantage of this morel special and run my amp at about 90% gain (to be safe), giving the splits 90WRMS per channel?
Rather than buying the CS-2338 and running my amp at 60%

Dynamat is extremely overpriced IMO, i will at least make mdf baffles to mount the woofers on.

Thats why I also mentioned Stinger, much better priced. I have used this.

So my better option ATM would be to take advantage of this morel special and run my amp at about 90% gain (to be safe), giving the splits 90WRMS per channel?
Rather than buying the CS-2338 and running my amp at 60%

Dynamat is extremely overpriced IMO, i will at least make mdf baffles to mount the woofers on.

just because an amp gains are turned 90% of the way around doesnt mean its running at 90% power. you still have to adjust the gains carefully. besides.. you have to make sure you dont clip it, otherwise both - your speakers and your amp will suffer

Thats why I also mentioned Stinger, much better priced. I have used this.

How much is stinger roadkill?

How much is stinger roadkill?

I can't remember off the top of my head, but quite a bit cheaper than Dynamat when I was looking. I got it from JB HIFI and bought enough for 2 doors with a bit left over so they gave me a discount (as a general rule JB's can be bargained with most of the time)

Well as a guide, generally Dynamat Xtreme goes for around $7/sqft.

Personally, I love the stuff.....which reminds me, need another bulk pack.

This afternoon, I went to JB Hifi and I purchased Pioneer TSA6992S 5 ways, is really cheap from 259 to 189. is really worth it.

5ways hey. They must be fully sick.

Think of speakers as like a wife. You and her makes a 2 way. Add another wife and life gets a little worse, keep adding them and were do you benefit?

The only exception is a 3 way component set which is like having a wife and a mistress, kinda hard to do successfully but magic when it all comes together...

5ways hey. They must be fully sick.

Think of speakers as like a wife. You and her makes a 2 way. Add another wife and life gets a little worse, keep adding them and were do you benefit?

The only exception is a 3 way component set which is like having a wife and a mistress, kinda hard to do successfully but magic when it all comes together...

HAHAHAHA best explanation I have ever heard.

I hope you are happy with them mate... generally the more "ways" a single unit has the worse they sound, but all the best with it... $189... when for $199 you could have got some VERY nice Morels :(

This afternoon, I went to JB Hifi and I purchased Pioneer TSA6992S 5 ways, is really cheap from 259 to 189. is really worth it.

:eek2:

Say it isnt so......:eeek:

5 Ways, is that for the amount of times the speakers will distort the sound from sunday?

Now the OP has bought some, i can re-hijack this thread :)



Now, my options so far are:

My current amp is 2X100WRMS

Response Cs-2338 60WRMS RRP: $299 Can get for $168
Morel Tempo 6 120WRMS RRP: $335 Can get for $199
Focal 165 VB 70WRMS RRP: $419 Can get for $360
Hertz ESK-165.3 100WRMS RRP: $339 Can get for $250

Not looking at getting the best as you can see, but decent.
Money isn't VERY much of an issue, but definitely wouldn't go over $400, trying not to go over $300, but i'm undecided.

Any opinions on the above, or other brands/models i should look at?

Help would be really appreciated.

Well based on both my research when I was looking and what commonly floats around this forum...

The Morel would be my choice... Probably the most balanced and smooth of the bunch. I have mine crossed over at about 80Hz with the sub and they sound great.

The Focals sounded a little harsh up high... Paying a premium for the brand.
The Hertz have very good bass, but not an issue if you have a sub. A few people have these.
The Response... Based on the reviews sound great and the ribbon tweeters are a big plus. I have only heard the models with the ribbon tweeters and thought they sounded very good, so can't comment too much. There Response Precision products do get very good reviews, they latest range of amps have won several awards.

Thanks heaps for your advice once again Poita :)
Yeah i am leaning toward the morels, and the extreme bargain is a bonus for me :)
I look at the response range as sort of 'homebrand' products, but good, my 2 channel amp is response.
Can you think of any other brands/models i should look at?

Alpine make some great amps, I especially like their PDX range! Quite small and look classy. But pricey.

Audison make some great ones too, again contact FHRX and he will be able to help you out.

I'm not looking at amps at all man, that was the OP, i've hijacked :)
Just splits for me!

my pick either the hertz or morel. good prices, will look into morels myself

Hey guys, just ordered some Morel Dotech 6's, 140wrms,
Decided to spend a bit more of ruddys money, and will hopefully run that off the Jaycar 2X150wrms AA0424 if i get in on the group buy.
Anyone heard the dotech's before?
Read a few good reviews.

NICE!!! You will be very happy with them! :D

The Morel range is very very good. You wont be disappointed.

Let us know how the install goes.

Cheers guys, will update my ride thread when i install them :)

Got these bad boys in the mail the other day, will be installing them this week some time.

Morel Dotech Ovation 6's

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d100/jaredflower/DSCN0245.jpg

Nice speakers :D