basic i bought a 2nd magna last week, this one a 1995 TS

anyway despite myself i bought a cyl, auto ( dodges beer cans ) because it was registed till the end of the month and running and it was only $300.00

anyways i can hear what i can only describe a a mattalic popping sound ( like metal popcorn i guess) thats pops while idle but under revs of about 1.6K or more doesnt make the sound ,other than that the car although abit sluggish runs fine... im just wondering because i suspect a timing chain but after calling around my area today the cheapest quote i could get is "around" $800.00 for a timing chain ( not including anything else)

now this sounds like a rip to me and i can tell by looking that the car hasnt been serviced in a looooong time but im just wondering does this sound like the timing chain or sumthing else.. any ideas would be great because although i can do my basic service thats about it for me and im not working atm so cash is tight


ty all in advance for your replies

That would be a timing 'belt' and YES you will be up for $600-800 for a replacement including parts

How many KM's has it done? Timing belt should be changed every 100,000

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63104&page=2

Has a sound track ....... :cool:

Mine did this when the oil was on empty ....

That would be a timing 'belt' and YES you will be up for $600-800 for a replacement including parts

How many KM's has it done? Timing belt should be changed every 100,000

thanks mate, whats the chance if i go steady on it it wont break before i savethat much cash :cry:

umm the OD says its done 302K so its done a fair few no idea when it was last changed or if it ever has been as ive only bought the car

You didnt say if it was a 4cyl or 6cyl?
4cyl chain 6cyl belt.
If its a 6 and its making that noise it might be pinging under load? (check timing marks, dizzy)

']You didnt say if it was a 4cyl or 6cyl?
4cyl chain 6cyl belt.
If its a 6 and its making that noise it might be pinging under load? (check timing marks, dizzy)

His Profile says 4cyl

']You didnt say if it was a 4cyl or 6cyl?
4cyl chain 6cyl belt.
If its a 6 and its making that noise it might be pinging under load? (check timing marks, dizzy)

its a ""COUGH" auto 4 cylinder "COUGH"
could it be pinging with a 4cyl ?

its a ""COUGH" auto 4 cylinder "COUGH"
could it be pinging with a 4cyl ?
Not sure mate don't know diddly squat about 4 bangers :D Just that Peter said you had a belt when in fact you didn't say you had a V6 at all :confused:

']Not sure mate don't know diddly squat about 4 bangers :D Just that Peter said you had a belt when in fact you didn't say you had a V6 at all :confused:

Yep sorry my bad, wrongly assumed it was a V6

if it sounds like a bike chain coming off the gear, it's the timing chain. Most probably the counter balance shaft load a video of the sound. i vote counter balance shaft chain rattling against the timing case...

Okies. If its the 2.6L 4-cylinder (Astron), then it has a timing chain which is relatively robust double-row chain - however these things wear and the timing chain could be noisy.
This motor ALSO has a weaker single-row "balance shaft" chain, which is notorious for wearing and being noisy. The DRAMA here, is that this weaker-design balance-shaft chain DRIVES THE OIL PUMP. It's kinda important. REALLY.

There is a small cover-plate on the timing cover - oval-ish shape - which you can remove, and attempt to tension up the balance-shaft/oil-pump chain. Best to read a workshop manual. If the chain has been slack and untensioned (due to mileage it may even be worn beyond ability to bring up tension) for any length of time, tends to accelerate wear of the chain.

You could try to adjust the tension of the chain by accessing this cover-plate, and see if the noise is reduced. However, if you cannot adjust the chain-guide any further or sensible pressure on the guide when adjusting still gives a noisy chain - you'd better drive exteremely gently and try to budget for chain and possibly guides very soon.

If the balance shaft chain is flogged-out and gives up - you no longer have an oil pump and the rest of your engine will be cactus.

Listen for the noise from the engine, if its from the timing case end of the engine - then the chain(s) are your problemo.

i was told i could buy a timing chain kit, but the guy at ricerbarn told me he had no idea what was in one :nuts:

anyways does that timing chain kit have the balance chain and that in it also or are they all seperate.......damn i wish i hate the knowaldge to just rebuilt the damn thing and know its all done

i was told i could buy a timing chain kit, but the guy at ricerbarn told me he had no idea what was in one :nuts:

anyways does that timing chain kit have the balance chain and that in it also or are they all seperate.......damn i wish i hate the knowaldge to just rebuilt the damn thing and know its all done

I have two full chain kits. minus gaskets which can either be bought or cut. The chain kits come with;

Counter balance chain,
Counter balance chain guides
Counter Balance chain tensioner (hydraulic)
Timing Chain
Timing Chain Guides
Timing Chain tensioner (hydraulic)
-Gaskets

OP can go to Tech Torque forum, and look for a sticky thread about Workshop Manuals.

There are various links in that thread, which take you to downloads of Workshop Manuals for various Mitsi vehicles....... ie: 2nd Gen vs 3rd Gen etc

These are usually a genuine Mitsi Workshop Manual - as a Dealers service dept might use. They will give you a run down of the engine and what is involved more or less step-by-step. The copy of 2nd Gen I have on my laptop is a PDF which looks like someone has scanned a paper workshop manual, so its a bit more painful to navigate - can't jump to chapters, just have to page thru etc. However the info contained is GOLDEN.

It's a pain when spares folks don't have the info about what a kit includes etc - lucky Ian has the "good oil" about these kits in his post above. As I live rural its a bit painful when they expect you to order, wait, then pay freight and MAYBE get all the parts you need in a "kit", or maybe NOT. Had this exact problemo yesterday in Dubbo.

your 4cly astron II should have an auto adjust so you can't manually adjust(like a tp for eg.) it to see if the nosie goes away cos it does that for you.

Read this page to get an idea of whats needed for a timing chain kit to be put in. I know it's for a first gen but the engine is almost the same (i said almost). plus you can see the chain everyone is on about.

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40090&highlight=timing+chain

Just scroll down to the timing chain part
ebay should sell the kit for about 99 bucks from ringwood auto parts (ebay store) or most auto stores like auto -barn, supercheap auto one etc etc should sell them or atleast be able to order it in. but will be more like 200 bucks give or take.

yeah i got a copy of that manual and gaveit to a mate on a flash drive, he works at a printers and done me off a paper copy while his boss was out to lunch and even binded it for me lol best 6 pack i ever bought. sterio wise im confident to do it all but engine wise im not so confident

The second Gen Workshop manual mentions the auto-adjust feature for balance Shaft Chain, but also states you can access the chain guide adjustment like for a First Gen - through the plate on the timing case.

The second Gen Workshop manual mentions the auto-adjust feature for balance Shaft Chain, but also states you can access the chain guide adjustment like for a First Gen - through the plate on the timing case.

This is correct. There is a hydraulic tensioner aswell as a mechanical tensioner.The mechanicall tensioner is tightened by a special tool which is inserted by this oval-shaped opening which Elwyn speaks of.

The story goes that if the hydraulic tensioner has a space of more than 3mm with the oil pump, and the mechanical tensioner is fully tensioned, the chain has stretched so much that it is due for replacement.