i have just over 200000ks up on my car now is that to much now for a supercharger to be fitted.

i have just over 200000ks up on my car now is that to much now for a supercharger to be fitted.

i reckon it is.. others would say its ok

DEFINATLEY FI ftw!!!!

I'd be more lookin towards a recondition and just throw in some go fast bits. Keep it N/A.

if the engine has been properley looked after (servicing and maintanence) then the motor should be fine
if not maybe rebuild it or find another motor with less k's

200K's is fine.

If it goes bang, good excuse to rebuild

If it goes bang, good excuse to rebuild

if? dont you mean when lol

if? dont you mean when lol

Seconded.

Cheap. Fast. Reliable.

Pick any two.

Haha, wonder what would happen if I strapped a blower to mine :) 266,000kms!

For the sort of money you're talking you could have a tough NEW n/a motor instead of waiting for your current one to go pop. Too many k's to s/c i reckon.

200k is baby miles on a well maintained modern engine
although it would be beneficial to rebuild it with a few go faster bits ie stage 3 supercharger cams, lightened flywheel, bored throttle body phenolic intake gaskets, balanced pistons, stronger head bolts and a decompression head gasket

if your gonna do it dont you wanna do it right?

Why should there be a problem? The 3.5 is a reliable motor.
My KH and KJ's both have over 140,000 on them and run as well as the day they were new.
A motor looked after with 200,000k's can be in better condition than a car thrashed with 30,000 on it.

Why should there be a problem? The 3.5 is a reliable motor.
My KH and KJ's both have over 140,000 on them and run as well as the day they were new.
A motor looked after with 200,000k's can be in better condition than a car thrashed with 30,000 on it.
mine is 3.0l not 3.5
we will just have to see what i do.

Haha, wonder what would happen if I strapped a blower to mine :) 266,000kms!

We would get even more exhaust threads :P

No, I say DO ET! to both of you.

Haha, wonder what would happen if I strapped a blower to mine :) 266,000kms!

DEATH! :badgrin:







:D

Regardless of the KM's, there is a 100% chance that either the engine / diff / driveshafts / gearbox / or super charger (if its sprintex) will go pop in a matter of weeks.

The longest lasting s/c magna has been QMD801's ralliart with the bullet super charger and intercooler. Not a cheap setup by any means, possibly one of the best so far, but still just too much for a stock engine.

Regardless of the KM's, there is a 100% chance that either the engine / diff / driveshafts / gearbox / or super charger (if its sprintex) will go pop in a matter of weeks.

The longest lasting s/c magna has been QMD801's ralliart with the bullet super charger and intercooler. Not a cheap setup by any means, possibly one of the best so far, but still just too much for a stock engine.
LIES! All Magna superchargers are reliable. :eeek:

Gee, if it puts that much stress on your motor and driveshaft so that anything could pop at any time then why would anyone want to install one of these on their cars?
I couldn't see Mitsubishi having given their facrory warranty to their cars with the sprintex chargers on them if they would do this to their engines.

Gee, if it puts that much stress on your motor and driveshaft so that anything could pop at any time then why would anyone want to install one of these on their cars?
I couldn't see Mitsubishi having given their facrory warranty to their cars with the sprintex chargers on them if they would do this to their engines.
+1. I'm with this guy, the sprintex is reliable if its left with its sprintex tune... Start changing things, boost etc, and on a stock motor reliability goes out the window. Build an engine properly for boost, and it will be fine! Reliability, power, cheap setup; pick two!

Gee, if it puts that much stress on your motor and driveshaft so that anything could pop at any time then why would anyone want to install one of these on their cars?
I couldn't see Mitsubishi having given their facrory warranty to their cars with the sprintex chargers on them if they would do this to their engines.

Mitsi were'nt putting them on motors that had done 200k on them though.

+1. I'm with this guy, the sprintex is reliable if its left with its sprintex tune... Start changing things, boost etc, and on a stock motor reliability goes out the window. Build an engine properly for boost, and it will be fine! Reliability, power, cheap setup; pick two!
Not necessarily as there are always exceptions to this rule.

take mitsubishi out of it, all performance parts have a fail rate!

im sure my new vortec blower will fail eventually, just like im sure the raptor will have a fail rate. im sure the people designing these units do everything they can to ensure a low fail rate, but these things just happen when theyre under stress.

i personally never had an issue with the sprintex, besides a small seal, which sprintex repleaced free of charge even though it was out of warranty.

Just because the engine has 200k on it does not mean bits will pop. To the poster who stated taht bits will start to break within weeks, you might want to learn about cars a bit before you spout crap!

Yes, the engine may go bang is not driven properly, just as a newer motor would as many here have found out recently

But set up on fairly standard boost and not used to drag race and drive like a tool there is no reason it would not last many years more

You all state that Mits put them on new motors, well this just in, those motors also do miles and miles and will eventually get old ????

Look at a lot of other makers who put supercharges on as standard, they do more than 30k without going bang

The main issue I see from what people here have is not the engine, it is the SC that starts to go bang or they use higher boost than designed or also used this 7th injector which has been proven over the years to be very hit and miss. The factors around motors poping are more related to the poor set up of the fuel system combined with these engines being driven hard.

To the OP, look into the Raptor, Tradewind will set you up I beleive. I have not seen these on Magna's but have seen them on other cars and have only heard good reports on them As for the Sprintex although a neat unit by the way it is designed, they have higher than expeced fail rates as many here have shown but then again, you only really generally hear the complaints as those who have no problems really have little reason to complain?

So as long as the supercharger or engine is never upgraded and you don't take it to the drags or drive it hard, it'll be fine? Come on man... :roflwtf:

So as long as the supercharger or engine is never upgraded and you don't take it to the drags or drive it hard, it'll be fine? Come on man... :roflwtf:

Did I say that, I see that you are good at reading what you want to see.

WHat I was saying is that most of these failures are caused by using the car in a way it was not designed to use. I have seen turbo charged and super charged engines with 200+ k's and the owners have never had an issue as they do not constantly drive at WOT, not always dragging other cars and generally respect the limitations the car have. I am sure that there are many Evo's out there with 200+ on them, not over boosted and driven normally with the occasional fun drive that are going strong.

If you want to super charge an engine, no matter how many k's and drive the car hard constantly then you have to work all componants over to suit, same applies for a NA motor.

If you want to fit a super charger to an engine more for the driving enjoyment, better power when needed and the occasional spirited drive then a well maintained motor at 200K should cope no worries.

It all comes down to your intention with the car once the mod has been made.

And for the record mate, I have done more turbo conversions over the years than yo have had hot meals so yes I do know what I am on about.

If you want to super charge an engine, no matter how many k's and drive the car hard constantly then you have to work all componants over to suit, same applies for a NA motor.
Couldn't agree more and this is something I've been saying for a long time.


And for the record mate, I have done more turbo conversions over the years than yo have had hot meals so yes I do know what I am on about.

I never said you didn't, and as you know I've pm'd you for advice before and so I respect your opinion.

i have just over 200000ks up on my car now is that to much now for a supercharger to be fitted.

Do you know the history of your motor? If not i guess its 'suck it and see'.

If you want to fit a super charger to an engine more for the driving enjoyment, better power when needed and the occasional spirited drive then a well maintained motor at 200K should cope no worries.

It all comes down to your intention with the car once the mod has been made.

Mal,

I think thats the main concern, wether or not its well maintained, and wether or not he will drive this rather sedately (not dragging every SS commodore on the street).

Im not a big fan of having older cars turbo charged/supercharged without rebuilding just about half the car, suspension, brakes, steering, wheels, tyres etc all in my eyes should get a good look at.

I also dont see the point of having a SC and not being able to give it a good hit regulary...

it had full service history before i owned it and has oil changes regulary and spark plucs are changed well before they need to the auto box is also serviced often

My main concern would be things like cooling system, hoses, plug leads etc. and making sure they are all up to scratch and still doing their job properly.

Well said Mal.

LIES! All Magna superchargers are reliable. :eeek:

QMD was running his setup for a long time and the very first moment it went to the drags, it popped. Drags/track + FI Magna = bad omen. keep it on the street and be gentle with it and I am sure it can go the distance.

QMD was running his setup for a long time and the very first moment it went to the drags, it popped. Drags/track + FI Magna = bad omen. keep it on the street and be gentle with it and I am sure it can go the distance.

Why spend money on a SC if you drive it like an NA?

QMD was running his setup for a long time and the very first moment it went to the drags, it popped. Drags/track + FI Magna = bad omen. keep it on the street and be gentle with it and I am sure it can go the distance.
Thank you for banging home my point even further.

That was my intention mate.

Supra_t, I fail to see the difference? 400+Nm torque from low revs sounds very inviting to me...

Regardless of the KM's, there is a 100% chance that either the engine / diff / driveshafts / gearbox / or super charger (if its sprintex) will go pop in a matter of weeks.



Eh? I did several track days and went to the drags a couple of times too, havn't broken anything besides a bearing in the blower, which by the looks of it was a manufacturing defect anyway. To me that's not a terrible failure rate. The guy who had my blower before me had it for some time too.

Wookiee also did several track days with the spinrtex with no problems until he switched to a poor 3rd party tune.

Plenty of guys havn't broken anything, or only had a minor problem that was fixed quickly. It's the ones that have breakages that you hear about (and often due to playing around with the tune etc). Yes I actually know the guys who fitted and serviced just about every Sprintex kit in NSW, the failure rate is much lower than most people on this baord probably think.

Having said that the product definantely could have been put together better in some ways.

As far as diffs/driveshaft/gearbox goes, the only cases I know of are Blackbeard and EGO, who both had their evidently weak Cusco diffs break. I know 3 guys who race magnas in SA, none of them had broken anything in the drivetrain last I heard.

I'm sure the odd breakages occures, but the magna drivetrain is a reasonably strong thing in the grand scheme of things.

Do you have any personal experience whatsoever to back up your claim? Maybe do some research instead of making dumb blanket statments pulled out of your ****?

I've been regularly tracking and driving my magna hard for years now with no major breakages.

I get sick of all these random people bagging out the Sprintex blower. How about actually owning and living with one for a while like myself and others have before posting the same old crap over and over again?

Once the sales of the Raptor blower increase i'm sure there will be similar issues caused by that type of blower as well (already seen 2 or 3 people on the forum have issues so far). It's only a matter of time before people start bagging that out as well :doubt:

I get sick of all these random people bagging out the Sprintex blower. How about actually owning and living with one for a while like myself and others have before posting the same old crap over and over again?

Once the sales of the Raptor blower increase i'm sure there will be similar issues caused by that type of blower as well (already seen 2 or 3 people on the forum have issues so far). It's only a matter of time before people start bagging that out as well :doubt:


:stoopid:

i loved the sprintex, definantly would reccomend the item to anyone else. i just wish i couldve got it intercooled

I get sick of all these random people bagging out the Sprintex blower. How about actually owning and living with one for a while like myself and others have before posting the same old crap over and over again?

Once the sales of the Raptor blower increase i'm sure there will be similar issues caused by that type of blower as well (already seen 2 or 3 people on the forum have issues so far). It's only a matter of time before people start bagging that out as well :doubt:

Mate, could not have put it better myself.

It seems that from what I have read and spoken to people that Sprintex were very good at looking after people when there may have been an issue and when you look at the quantity sold to the quantity that have failed it is low. Then look at the quantity that have been installed to increase drivability which is wat they are really for and compare that to the ones that have failed after several track or drag days and again the numbers are almost non existant. Add to this that these units are also installed on a host of cars and your numbers drop once again.

I am not saying you can not drag your car or you can not race your car but if you do you increase the chances of something going pop. After all what is the use of running boost if you can not have fun with it.

Now to the OP, the 3.0 is a very strong motor and so long as you are not going to run tons of boost through it and CONSTANTLY cain the crap out of it, I am sure the engine will stand up fine, after all remember you are making better power lower down so if driven properly you will not need to red line it constantly either.

That was my intention mate.

Supra_t, I fail to see the difference? 400+Nm torque from low revs sounds very inviting to me...

I just mean why waste thousands on something youll rarely use

I know if i had a blower id be getting my monies worth, i wouldnt be too 'gentle'. :ninja:

I just mean why waste thousands on something youll rarely use

I know if i had a blower id be getting my monies worth, i wouldnt be too 'gentle'. :ninja:


Then I guess you wouldn't get your monies worth because it would be broken :P

Any car will brake with repetitive abuse.

I get sick of all these random people bagging out the Sprintex blower. How about actually owning and living with one for a while like myself and others have before posting the same old crap over and over again?
:stoopid:
Although I haven't had mine on the street yet, I had no hesitation in selecting the Sprintex to boost my car. As long as the boost & cylinder pressures are kept to a realistic level & detonation control is taken care of there is no reason it won't be a reliable ride.

I have no fear of breaking my motor, I might break something else but that will only be because I'll be puting out nearly double what the 380 drivetrain was designed to take. :badgrin:

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Although I haven't had mine on the street yet, I had no hesitation in selecting the Sprintex to boost my car. As long as the boost & cylinder pressures are kept to a realistic level & detonation control is taken care of there is no reason it won't be a reliable ride.

I have no fear of breaking my motor, I might break something else but that will only be because I'll be puting out nearly double what the 380 drivetrain was designed to take. :badgrin:

youll be putting out over 300kws???

youll be putting out over 300kws???
Yep should be right up there by my calculations:2cool:

Yep should be right up there by my calculations:2cool:

wow
anymore info for us?

surely you must be doing more than just chucking a sprintex s/c on!

what lsd u putting in?

surely youre not talking 300kwatw?

at the fly maybe

surely youre not talking 300kwatw?

at the fly maybe

well his talking about doubling the power of his stock 380.. stock has 175kw... thats 350kws at the fly...

cant see 350kw at the fly happening let alone over 300kw's atw

I rekon prolly around 230-240kw atw depending on how happy the dyno is

I rekon prolly around 230-240kw atw depending on how happy the dyno is

im with you

theres no way hes getting 300kw atw on a standard engine. however id love to see me proven wrong

Yep at the flywheel, aiming for around 250kw at the motor. The Sprintex will be on top of my current 163KW atw mods plus bigger injectors, bigger exhaust, CAI & water/methanol injection.

Will see how it drives & then decide weather I will try to adapt a Quaife LSD into the auto.

I rekon prolly around 230-240kw atw depending on how happy the dyno is
Theres a 380 in WA doing 230kw atw & I will have the water/methanol on top of that plus the bigger injectors & CAI.

Yep at the flywheel, aiming for around 250kw at the motor. The Sprintex will be on top of my current 163KW atw mods plus bigger injectors, bigger exhaust, CAI & water/methanol injection.

Will see how it drives & then decide weather I will try to adapt a Quaife LSD into the auto.
Don't the 380s make 175kw at the engine stock? How did you get 163kw at the wheels?

Don't the 380s make 175kw at the engine stock? How did you get 163kw at the wheels?
Dyno chart is in the 380 section.

The main part is uncorking the exhaust in particular the extractors which get rid of two cats & nets around 20kw alone. The other is installing the larger Galant intake & K&N filter. I also have a piggyback to sort the afr's & stick in some more timing advance.

When the v-power extreme was available I had a second map which gave me 170kw atw.

i just had a look through the 380 section, the sprintex looks awesome. by the looks of the design you wont have the same heatsoak problems as the rest of us, hopefully. good luck

i just had a look through the 380 section, the sprintex looks awesome. by the looks of the design you wont have the same heatsoak problems as the rest of us, hopefully. good luck
Yep it looks very factory under the bonnet & the water/methanol will take care of any temp probs anyway.