Just had my Pacemakers installed today. what a difference, a lot more responsive and revs a lot more freely now and sounds a lot more throatier. :D :dancin:

Thanks to the Guys at Mr Muffler for doing an exceptional job.


Next step is the unichip.

So all in all i have had done.
1./ Full redback Exhaust system
2./ Redback HiFlow Cat
3./ FSE FPR
4./ K&N Panel Filter
5./ Pacemaker Extractors

Any thing more i should do before i get the UNICHIP installed?

Any help would be great

Highj Flowed Throttle Body?

Greddy Emanage i reckon over the unichip

but its all down to personal opinion

TRav

ok i guess i have to speak to dave about he Hiflowed throttle body.

Do you have any idea how much the G-Reddy Emanage would be? compared to the unichip
which i could get done for $1100 fitted and dynoed.

Cheers
John

Cool. Got any pictures?

Is clearance a problem? Apparently they hang lower than stock? Is this true? (pictures again?)

the greddy emanage is a little more expensive (about $1400 from memory) but is much much more versatile

Trav

cams, not cheap tho...

stage 1 cams will are about $1100, and then a few hours labour etc

so only a little bit more than greddy emanage again

Trav

(very worthwhile thou)

stage 1 cams will are about $1100, and then a few hours labour etc

so only a little bit more than greddy emanage again

Trav

(very worthwhile thou)


Id prefer to buy the ralliart cams.. At least they are covered under Mitsu warranty.. After hearing about all of Nick's problems..

dont attack me, but perhaps the ralliart cams are 'tuned' and or 'degreed' apposed to a different cam profile?

has anyone actually got the Ralliart cam spec sheet to compair to over the std 3.5L spec's
(spec sheet as far as lift, duration, time, and whatever)

BOoya

dont attack me, but perhaps the ralliart cams are 'tuned' and or 'degreed' apposed to a different cam profile?

has anyone actually got the Ralliart cam spec sheet to compair to over the std 3.5L spec's
(spec sheet as far as lift, duration, time, and whatever)

BOoya

Not sure of spec sheets, but i got told they are like in between RPW's stage 1 and stage 2 cams..

mrnizmo,

did you have to modify the extactors to make it fit??

kev

reckon ralliart cams would be good, i mean 1100$ is a lot for cams so depending on how much thr r/a's cost they would also be sure to be reasonably smooth at idle and a proven thing.

A few weeks back someone claimed on one of the forums that the Ralliart cams have same duration/overlap as the standard TJ 3.5L, but with slightly higher lift. Perhaps someone else can confirm this or not. Also the high-flowed T/B is worth considering, but it may effect cruise control and auto gear kickdown operation. See other threads on the T/B.

Booya, how much have you advanced your standard cams in order to move the peak power up to such high rpm. Has the low rpm torque suffered much?
Cheers

i read that the ralliart engine also has upgraded valvesprings, so that suggests there is higher lift. they really set the thing up to be able to race at continued redline rpm with reliable,not just rev out once in a while, even hypereutic sp? pistons went in.

Not sure of spec sheets, but i got told they are like in between RPW's stage 1 and stage 2 cams..

Actually, I was told between stock and stage 1. I'm sure the Ralliart got new gear to go with the cams. It's higher compression so there were several things engine wise that were upgraded.

that seems about right, considering that its only 180Kw over the sports 163, ie only 17kw extra. a stage 2 cam would normally give about 20-30% gain on top of other breathing mods on most cars, that would be more than 180kw on a 3.5 , would make at least the 200 easily.

Just had my Pacemakers installed today. what a difference, a lot more responsive and revs a lot more freely now and sounds a lot more throatier. :D :dancin:

Thanks to the Guys at Mr Muffler for doing an exceptional job.


Next step is the unichip.

So all in all i have had done.
1./ Full redback Exhaust system
2./ Redback HiFlow Cat
3./ FSE FPR
4./ K&N Panel Filter
5./ Pacemaker Extractors

Any thing more i should do before i get the UNICHIP installed?

Any help would be great

Whats the ground clearance like, did the people who fitted them have to do anything special?

I assume that they used the Pacemaker PH 9370 for your magna, details available here (http://www.pacemaker.com.au/NPnov2002.htm) and here (http://www.pacemaker.com.au/mitsubishi.htm#magna) ???

Whats the ground clearance like, did the people who fitted them have to do anything special?

I assume that they used the Pacemaker PH 9370 for your magna, details available here (http://www.pacemaker.com.au/NPnov2002.htm) and here (http://www.pacemaker.com.au/mitsubishi.htm#magna) ???

I got mine installed today, from the same place as John. Mine are the PH 9370

There is NO ground clearance issue. The pacemakers are far from the lowest part of the car that will scrape (bumber will everytime for me if anything!) , maybe this is a newer design that the one previous attracting critisism of this naturet. Nothing special was required by the fitters - everything was provided. The only 'extra work' in comparison to the mythical RPW RD extractors (ffs dave, where are they? lol ) is the fact your existing flex pipe is cut, and then rewelded to fit the flange for new piping (the one that connects the headers together). This is work that exhaust specialist do all the time anyway.

edited for typos

Are there drawbacks with fitting cams with more aggressive profiles?? Like adversley affecting powercurve, heat generation, economy, wear etc?? And does the extra power generated up high in the rev range rob power from down low??



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depends which cam u choose, stage 1's usually follow the standard power and torque curves, stage 2 has most effect from mid to top end, and stage 3's are full race and will lose bottom end response, need to keep revs up to drive without stalling, fast lumpy thirstyidle.
ive had mild styage 1 cams on older carby 6cyl engines, that gave a lot more grunt right through the revs, still smooth enough and easily drivable, but were thirsty.
modern efi engines with programmable ecu can be programmed not to over-fuel at idle so be more drivable if you go for stage 2, but i think u would still lose economy badly, maybe even need bigger injectors and fuel pump to cope.

Are there drawbacks with fitting cams with more aggressive profiles?? Like adversley affecting powercurve, heat generation, economy, wear etc?? And does the extra power generated up high in the rev range rob power from down low??
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Someone with more knowlage will be able to help you out more,

When fitting more aggresive cams, they open the valves higher to alow more flow in and out, but they do this faster and harder (longer distance to travel in same amount of time) so you do need uprated valve springs, and in some cases valves. A draw back is that at lower rpm the large amount of air going in and out has an adverse affect on performance, hence VVT systems :D

You guys with the Pacemakers...do you have 3.0 or 3.5L engines?

The 3.0 engine is suppose to be mounted lower than the 3.5L is. Maybe it's just the people with 3.0 engines that have been having ground clearance issues???

i have 3.0 with extractors, not pacemaker, and have a clearance problem, seems to have also pulled the rest of the exhaust a bit lower with it as well.

3.5L here.

I think it has to do with this being a newer design? mine are PH9370. Anyone with 'ass-dragging' pacemakers know their model number?

i have 3.0 with extractors, not pacemaker, and have a clearance problem, seems to have also pulled the rest of the exhaust a bit lower with it as well.

What headers you got? Wildcats?

hey Mrnizmo,

How much did your pacemakers cost to install? And for the dollars you paid do you reckon the performance increase you got out of them, that it was money well spent?

Anyone got any pics of the pacemakers vs the stock magna headers???

I'm interested to see what they look like in comparison...

What headers you got? Wildcats?


got it in one redav

Well the Pacemakers and Install cost me around the 550 mark. and they are worth every cent. Driving it for the past couple of days i have seen a difference especially in low end torque, it pulls a lot more free down low and the torque above 3000 rpm is great. So i beleive that it was money well spent.

Regardless of that i needed them before i get the unichip done as i was told by a few places.

Anyone got any pics of the pacemakers vs the stock magna headers???

I'm interested to see what they look like in comparison...

I'm sure the Pacemaker's will look great compared to the stock ones. Have you seen them? They're the worst, smallest headers around I reckon. They are seriously evil looking. So, the Pacemaker only have one point where they use flexpipe? From what I understand RPW's have point points which I'd imagine that fitment would be more flexible and shouldn't force the exhaust piping any sort of direction. Would love to see the Pacies and Hurricane pics.

Hey, Manual, any pics and info?

Not sure if these are pacemakers but if this comparison is anything to go by...
http://users.bigpond.net.au/madmagna/photos/tech/te-tj_extractors/OldAndNew.JPG

too shinny to be pacemakers.
Pacemakers are light blue.
Pacemakers have a different 3 - 1 collector set up as well.

Is anyone able to post pics of their pacemakers???

I think they're some RPW ones. They're not the latest ones.

I know this is a bit of an odd question but can anyone tell me approximately how long the pacemakers have taken to be installed, in hours? (not by yourself but by Midas or Mr. Muffler etc) I am looking at this being my next mod. I just have very awkward time constraints and this info would be handy.
Doing a search and reading the many threads, I am not going to bother with the high flo cat, I have the redback exhaust installed, K&N panel and after a brief exchange of PM's with WhiteDevil I am certain that extractors are going to be worth the time and $'s.
Cheers all, especially WhiteDevil.

How are you MadMag.

Installation time at a Mr Muffler is quoted at approx 3 - 4 hours,
i.e. Remove original Exhaust Manifolds, Weld Up Front Flex Pipe to suit The Pacemakers, and Fit Pacemakers,

Where are you located?

Cheers
John

How are you MadMag.

Installation time at a Mr Muffler is quoted at approx 3 - 4 hours,
i.e. Remove original Exhaust Manifolds, Weld Up Front Flex Pipe to suit The Pacemakers, and Fit Pacemakers,

Where are you located?

Cheers
John
Cheers for the info John, I am pretty good thanks, but eagerly waiting for my TF to come home!
I live in Lilydale, Vic. Why do you ask? Got some contacts?

Not sure if these are pacemakers but if this comparison is anything to go by...
http://users.bigpond.net.au/madmagna/photos/tech/te-tj_extractors/OldAndNew.JPG



The pic was taken by me when I had the RPW extractors installed, It's a nice piece of hardware and I must say, it is the only good thing that I got from RPW that actually works to my satisfaction....

hehe, i have got contacts but not up that way,

Although i got done last week in Lilydale, Maroondah Highway. Copped a Defective (canary) for the car being a bit to low. Lucky for me i only copped a Minor not a Major RWC. Not that there is anything wrong with my car, its just the exhaust sits too low and its getting tucked in tomorrow morning.

Anyway i get all my exhaust work done by MrMuffler in Epping. But i remember him talking about the Mr Muffler on Maroondah Highway in Lilydale. Pop around there and speak to them, i think his name George (dont hold me to it).

According to the Pacemaker Catalogue fitting time is 1 1/2 hours.

http://www.pacemaker.com.au/mitsubishi.htm#magna

Good Luck.

John

Thanks again John, I haven't gone to Mr Muffler before but will give them a go. Yeah Maroondah Hwy Lilydale and Chirnside is a hot spot for Police in general. Thanks heaps, Neil. Hope to see you out on a cruise sometime soon.

hehe, i have got contacts but not up that way,

Although i got done last week in Lilydale, Maroondah Highway. Copped a Defective (canary) for the car being a bit to low. Lucky for me i only copped a Minor not a Major RWC. Not that there is anything wrong with my car, its just the exhaust sits too low and its getting tucked in tomorrow morning.

Anyway i get all my exhaust work done by MrMuffler in Epping. But i remember him talking about the Mr Muffler on Maroondah Highway in Lilydale. Pop around there and speak to them, i think his name George (dont hold me to it).

According to the Pacemaker Catalogue fitting time is 1 1/2 hours.

http://www.pacemaker.com.au/mitsubishi.htm#magna

Good Luck.

John

So you have contacts at MrMuffler in Epping huh??? :D

Hey me again,
I just phoned MrMuffler, Lilydale and when I mentioned pacemakers the guy asked if I had considered other brands. When I asked what he was suggesting he said HIGHTECH and MOTIVATORS brands, he said pacemakers were good but these other brands gave better results. I don't know whether he is bound to promote these brands but he sounded pretty convinced that these were the way to go. Oh and approx $350-380 installed. Anyone heard of these or have any info... I am going to work soon and wont be back until Friday morning but I have 1 hour left. :confused:

That's cheap what they are charging for parts and install! or did they mean $350-380 for just install?

I bought mine for $380.

Haven't heard of the other brands, sorry. I guess they may be tuned to different rpm ranges.

what are some general performance figures??
what cars have they tested on???


kev

I am trying to find some info and I think I have managed to ascertain that the Motivator brand is a Lukey sub brand, as for the hightech or hitech (I don't even know how it is spelt!) I don't know. Well I have to go to work, but as this price range, I will be possibly getting them fitted Friday if I get my car back and hopefully I can let you know what these brands offer.

WhiteDevil - I am prety sure his guestimate was $350-380 fully installed (parts and labour) but I will let you know.

Dajaja - no idea sorry, from the little thing that I read online it looks like they have been used on performance Fords and 4WD's but that is all I have.

Have a good day, Cheers Neil

So you have contacts at MrMuffler in Epping huh??? :D

yeah i do. Need anything? Hehe.

yeah i do. Need anything? Hehe.

Heheheh I will some time in the near future because unfortunatlly I can't spend anymore money till I pay my new TF off (will be done by the end of the year :cry: ). So yeah nothing imeadiate, but if your still interested to help us out later on I'll PM when the time comes :D .

Accually come to think of it, my mums TF needs the center resonator after the cat replaced :P

Heheheh I will some time in the near future because unfortunatlly I can't spend anymore money till I pay my new TF off (will be done by the end of the year :cry: ). So yeah nothing imeadiate, but if your still interested to help us out later on I'll PM when the time comes :D .

Accually come to think of it, my mums TF needs the center resonator after the cat replaced :P

Just mention my name (John with the Black Verada) and they'll take care of you.

always happy to help if anyone needs anything.

Cheers
John

Cheers mate :D I'll owe ya one :P

Anyone got any pics of the pacemakers vs the stock magna headers???

I'm interested to see what they look like in comparison...

I found my pic taken before i installed my pacemakers. LOW RES

Stock Vs Pacemakers

When I asked what he was suggesting he said HIGHTECH and MOTIVATORS brands,
umm, do those brands have websites? cause i just went to a bit of a search and couldn't find squat! be a little surprised (nicely) to think that more than two or three companies are making magna extractors

Here is a pic of my Pacemakers, from back
no clearance probs and better performance on my TF Sports with HiFlow Cat and Lukey Magna Tuned Muffler

Time to get me some Pacemakers me thinks ... :D :D :D

Does anyone have a photo/pic of the stock extractors/headers on a TJ, I assume they'd be very similar if not identical to the pics WhiteDevil posted earlier?

Yeah WhiteDevil's stock pictures look the same as my stock ones.

Yeah WhiteDevil's stock pictures look the same as my stock ones.

Yeah, they're identical. Unless you've got a Ralliart.

I got my pacemakers installed today, $580 from bob parkes up here in Townsville, and for an NA 'bolt-on' mod, it was money well spent :D . Definitely has better pulling power mid to high revs, easily noticeable :D . Anyway before this ramble gets any longer, pacemakers are a worth while performance mod, and work well with other breathing mods.

Cheers.

I got my pacemakers installed today, $580 from bob parkes up here in Townsville, and for an NA 'bolt-on' mod, it was money well spent :D . Definitely has better pulling power mid to high revs, easily noticeable :D . Anyway before this ramble gets any longer, pacemakers are a worth while performance mod, and work well with other breathing mods.

Cheers.
Good to hear, thanks and enjoy!

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Greetings All.

White devel...How'd ya paint this...or did it come like it?

Cheers,
--Tonba
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it comes in this colour, i guess it stops it from rusting like the cast iron ones. but as soon as it flakes off, it'll start rusting.

Only prob with pacemakers is scraping, my car is that low i cant get into any driveway without taking is real slow and sideways without scraping

stop cutting your springs :cool:

I had scrapping problems only because my shocks was F'cked. and the front had very little to no damperning. But new shocks solved all my scraping problems. Though mine isn't as low as it was anymore.

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Greetings All.

White devel...How'd ya paint this...or did it come like it?

Cheers,
--Tonba
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TE V6s had the grey cam covers and the TF+ have the black cam covers :D

the 3.0 is not as tall as 3.5 block, so extractors made for 3.5 will be lower underneath on a 3.0, my extractors are the lowest point now :doubt:

Only prob with pacemakers is scraping, my car is that low i cant get into any driveway without taking is real slow and sideways without scraping

I've heard that this is not a problem on TJ's as the engine block is mounted slightly higher up?

I got my pacemakers installed today, $580 from bob parkes up here in Townsville, and for an NA 'bolt-on' mod, it was money well spent :D . Definitely has better pulling power mid to high revs, easily noticeable :D . Anyway before this ramble gets any longer, pacemakers are a worth while performance mod, and work well with other breathing mods.
Excellent. That's good to hear. I'm eagerly awaiting mine.


the 3.0 is not as tall as 3.5 block, so extractors made for 3.5 will be lower underneath on a 3.0, my extractors are the lowest point now :doubt:

I've heard that this is not a problem on TJ's as the engine block is mounted slightly higher up?

Spot on Altera, Killer compared his height to Slayer and there's a reasonable difference. This caused him issues with his headers. Any 3.5 should be fine.

My main concern is actually that the headers are designed for the 3.5 and not the 3.0 and as the exhaust ports are not the same size between the two, then I'm wondering if the 3.0's will lose a little low RPM torque. The 3.0 has substantially less torque as it is and it's going to be dodgy to loost some.

SexedTF'n, can you tell us if you experienced any loss at low RPM?

mate I can also fit these for you, I did whitedevil's and a couple of others for them.

I personally think they sit down too low for may liking however.

mate I can also fit these for you, I did whitedevil's and a couple of others for them.
Who was that aimed at?


I personally think they sit down too low for may liking however.
In general or for the 3.0?

SexedTF'n, can you tell us if you experienced any loss at low RPM?

there's no losses for 3L,

SexedTF'n, can you tell us if you experienced any loss at low RPM?

As white devil said, no low down loss what so ever, going by feel anyway.

Nice. Any chance either of you have done a before dyno run with the intent of doing an after?

Nice. Any chance either of you have done a before dyno run with the intent of doing an after?


Not me, the pacemaker website claims an approxiamte 10% increase in peak power over stock exhaust manifold if that helps. There is a bit of info in the FAQ (http://www.pacemaker.com.au/faq.htm#4) section of the pacemaker website, such as power gains.

Bout 2 weeks ago I had a exhaust system installed, PaceMakers, hiflow cat,2.5" and Lukey Muffler
And NOW i have and exhaust leak, somewhere round near the extractor/Cat join..
SOOOO, CARLINE Mufflers is gunna hear from me.
Also there is a vibration when reversing and a buzzin when at certain rev range..
NOT HAPPY at all, for the money i spend to get it done.
Will let u know what the outcome..

Not me, the pacemaker website claims an approxiamte 10% increase in peak power over stock exhaust manifold if that helps. There is a bit of info in the FAQ (http://www.pacemaker.com.au/faq.htm#4) section of the pacemaker website, such as power gains.
Well, peak power is all good and well but it's how the whole rev range is affected that's important.


Also there is a vibration when reversing and a buzzin when at certain rev range..
Is there any flexpipe being used? If so, that could be the issue. I know Killer suffers some annouing buzz.

Yes there is 250Flex Double Braid, thought it might be that, do they have to be there??
Will find out more tomorra.
;)

Yes there is 250Flex Double Braid, thought it might be that, do they have to be there??
Will find out more tomorra.
;)

it's the characteristics of pacemakers and many other aftermarket extractors/headers to exhibit buzzzing noise and increase in overall noise levels. You don't expect to have power and at the same time be quiet? Whenever we put in aftermarket parts, you can expect to through all NVH properties of the baseline vehicle out the window. That's basically what they pay us Engineers to do in car companies; find the best performing and cheapest and quietest and reliable and simple to install.

the leak should be fixable, but the buzz will be a bit hard to fix, unless you increase the stiffness of the extractor or lower the mobility of the extractor, it will buzz when it hits its resonnance freq.

We all get the Buzz, I like it, When it's hot, and If you push it hard, it sounds really good, like BOV, but when it's cold, it takes a second for the buzz to decay.

you guys complaining of buzzing noises? hahahhaha..

just take a quck ride in teh booya... you've got 2700hp worth of fuel pumps buzzing away!!! and gosh! you can hear the bloody things :D kind of a good thing, as you then know your getting fuel! :bowrofl:

but yer, i got the buzzing with my pacemakers. i donno bout the bov sound tho.. but def a "werrrrrrzzzz" kinda sound.. haha. if you can imagine that lol

Sorry to Hijack..
But here are some pics of the OEM extractors and RPW ones that I got last time...

http://img45.photobucket.com/albums/v139/EuroAccord13/BlackBeast/OldAndNew.jpg

http://img45.photobucket.com/albums/v139/EuroAccord13/BlackBeast/OldAndNew2.jpg

http://img45.photobucket.com/albums/v139/EuroAccord13/BlackBeast/NewExtractors2.jpg

http://img45.photobucket.com/albums/v139/EuroAccord13/BlackBeast/NewExtractors.jpg

http://img45.photobucket.com/albums/v139/EuroAccord13/BlackBeast/Extractors.jpg

Nick, you put your 'Cat' on the wrong side of your pipes. :cool:

. You don't expect to have power and at the same time be quiet? Yeah I realise that, its not bad, but i love the noisy Zorst ...Pacers need retensioning, the buzz, ill live with it ..Anyway Thanks very much for the info WhiteDevil

Nick, you put your 'Cat' on the wrong side of your pipes
LMFAO :bowrofl: lol And im lookin for the Cat Converter for 5 mins then noticed the damn grey cat..sheesh, i need to be hit by a holden

Sorry to Hijack..
But here are some pics of the OEM extractors and RPW ones that I got last time...



DAMN!! they do look sexy... time 2 start saving i thinK!

extractors are always noisier than stock manifolds, but this can be reduced a bit by using thermal/acoustic wrap, that does shorten the life of the pipes because of the increased temperature tho.

AAARRRGGGH, I went to Mr. Muffler (MM) today and talked to the guy who talked about Hi-Tech and Motivator brand extractors last week (after I said I wanted Pacemakers). As soon as he opened his mouth I smelled bulls*** :doubt: (pardon my crudeness) around his knowledge of Magnas (I am not the allmighty Magna guru but I know enough). He said that the other brands get better results, and all the extractors you can buy on the market (apart from Walker) are made by the same company now anyway (Hi-Tech bought them all out apparently :doubt: ) and a brand name and sticker is all that you pay the difference for. He got on the phone and asked what extractors they had available for my car (not quoting any brand name :doubt: ) got off the phone and said, sorry, they don't supply for your car, we can fit custom built headers with total cost at $960 installed :shock: . I started to sweat and walk backwards towards the front door thinking I saw his blood sucking fangs growing. I said I would have to sit on that for a while (another words "not on your damn life!" :liar: ). He said he would try and find a better deal for me.
I went home and called my local tried and trusted friendly Midas and they quoted $550 for Pacemakers installed. I said 'sold!'. MM called me and the guy said "hey mate, I found you a great deal Pacemakers installed for $650!". I said, "what a coincidence I just booked the same with Midas for $520 (yes I went a bit lower to see what he would say)" he replied "s*** man, let me check with the boss" came back and said he could do it all for $500! rock bottom (where did the extra $150 go?!) I told MM that I would talk to Midas as I had already booked it.
I sat there and thought about it for a while. Midas didn't blow smoke up my arse, they were friendly, no messing around and even offered to drive me home and pick up. They won my confidence with customer service. I called MM back and said "Look, they just matched your price and I am going to stick with them." He begrudgingly accepted the situation.
So hopefully if my damn repairers get my car finished with no more excuses (now they are saying that the radiator needed replacing) I will be armed with Pacemakers on Friday.

Today taught me a big lesson...Do your homework...know what you are talking about...shop around and find that deal...play and bargain until you are satisfied...and don't be afraid to say no.

I'm always prepared to pay a bit more for good service and a place I trust. Glad to hear you made the right desicion :D

I think $500 isn't bad if it's done professionally.

good luck with it, and enjoy the gains.

Thanks. Midas told me when I had my redback system fitted weeks ago that having extractors wont make that much difference but I am quietly confident that it will and willing to put my money there to find out... eagerly waiting for friday!!!

Haha... what's the Midas guy on about? how can he say such a thing, You'll feel the extractor, and you'll Hear it start burbling as well! Trust me on that, Make it burble buddy. With just the redback muffler, it doesn't burble does it?

Haha... what's the Midas guy on about? how can he say such a thing, You'll feel the extractor, and you'll Hear it start burbling as well! Trust me on that, Make it burble buddy. With just the redback muffler, it doesn't burble does it?
Oh it burbles alright with the redback, extra burble is most welcome! :badgrin: I have had extractors on previous cars and I know how much of a difference it made to them.

im glad u eneded up going with midas and not the BS artist in the end, this seems to be a common crap now when thery try sell the no name stuff "its all made by the same company", i was told an unknown brand were made by HM headers, were tuned length, and mandrel bent, not true on all 3 counts i found out later.
not long ago i needed an exhaust manifold for my wifes saab, a WA wrecker wanted 200$, :shock: but from vic it was 50$ plus 20$ postage. :D it pays to shop around a bit.

AAARRRGGGH, I went to Mr. Muffler (MM) today and talked to the guy who talked about Hi-Tech and Motivator brand extractors last week (after I said I wanted Pacemakers). As soon as he opened his mouth I smelled bulls*** :doubt: (pardon my crudeness) around his knowledge of Magnas (I am not the allmighty Magna guru but I know enough). He said that the other brands get better results, and all the extractors you can buy on the market (apart from Walker) are made by the same company now anyway (Hi-Tech bought them all out apparently :doubt: ) and a brand name and sticker is all that you pay the difference for. He got on the phone and asked what extractors they had available for my car (not quoting any brand name :doubt: ) got off the phone and said, sorry, they don't supply for your car, we can fit custom built headers with total cost at $960 installed :shock: . I started to sweat and walk backwards towards the front door thinking I saw his blood sucking fangs growing. I said I would have to sit on that for a while (another words "not on your damn life!" :liar: ). He said he would try and find a better deal for me.
I went home and called my local tried and trusted friendly Midas and they quoted $550 for Pacemakers installed. I said 'sold!'. MM called me and the guy said "hey mate, I found you a great deal Pacemakers installed for $650!". I said, "what a coincidence I just booked the same with Midas for $520 (yes I went a bit lower to see what he would say)" he replied "s*** man, let me check with the boss" came back and said he could do it all for $500! rock bottom (where did the extra $150 go?!) I told MM that I would talk to Midas as I had already booked it.
I sat there and thought about it for a while. Midas didn't blow smoke up my arse, they were friendly, no messing around and even offered to drive me home and pick up. They won my confidence with customer service. I called MM back and said "Look, they just matched your price and I am going to stick with them." He begrudgingly accepted the situation.
So hopefully if my damn repairers get my car finished with no more excuses (now they are saying that the radiator needed replacing) I will be armed with Pacemakers on Friday.

Today taught me a big lesson...Do your homework...know what you are talking about...shop around and find that deal...play and bargain until you are satisfied...and don't be afraid to say no.

I feel for you as I had a similar experience just recently....

Went in search of a cheap deal through Magic Muffler here in Oconnor, WA over the weekend they said that there wasn't a Pacemaker product for Magna's *cough* bull$h!t *cough* as he flicked through his product books. He proceeded to quote me $750 for some other brand that he claimed was mandrel bent etc etc.

I then rang Genie exhaust who quoted me $580 for Pacemakers supplied & fitted including a Dyno before and after!!! I know who will be getting my business... For those interested in the part# for Pacemakers to suit a V6 Magna it is: PH 9370.

http://www.pacemaker.com.au/Instructions/PH%209370.doc

Today taught me a big lesson...Do your homework...know what you are talking about...shop around and find that deal...play and bargain until you are satisfied...and don't be afraid to say no.
i know how you feel!! i alway tell them to that i'm getting quotes and that if they don't give their best price they'll loose, as i'm not going to dick around chasing people who have already quoted, if some one can do better they're getting the money! it normally works... and i will go back to them once to ask if they can better the best quote (which i lower a little like you did :badgrin: ), if they don't beat it by at least 10% they gone...

Bout 2 weeks ago I had a exhaust system installed, PaceMakers, hiflow cat,2.5" and Lukey Muffler
And NOW i have and exhaust leak, somewhere round near the extractor/Cat join..
SOOOO, CARLINE Mufflers is gunna hear from me.
Also there is a vibration when reversing and a buzzin when at certain rev range..
NOT HAPPY at all, for the money i spend to get it done.
Will let u know what the outcome..

Got it checked out today, they had to replae a gasket near Flex, and retightened the Pacers, alot better now, that buzz is a BUZZ, I have the LR-2779 Muffler

I feel for you as I had a similar experience just recently....

Went in search of a cheap deal through Magic Muffler here in Oconnor, WA over the weekend they said that there wasn't a Pacemaker product for Magna's *cough* bull$h!t *cough* as he flicked through his product books. He proceeded to quote me $750 for some other brand that he claimed was mandrel bent etc etc.

I then rang Genie exhaust who quoted me $580 for Pacemakers supplied & fitted including a Dyno before and after!!! I know who will be getting my business... For those interested in the part# for Pacemakers to suit a V6 Magna it is: PH 9370.

http://www.pacemaker.com.au/Instructions/PH%209370.doc

Who did you speak to at Magic Muffler? The apprentice doesn't know jack from sh!t. I called him about fitting a lukey LR2779 (I even said "I want a Lukey LR2779"), he quoted me $140, said it was a bolt on and would take 30 mins and I said you beaut and booked it in. I called back in 5 mins after thinking it was a bit too cheap - spoke to Michael and the apprentice had thought I wanted to replace my muffler with another stock replacement :nuts: If I had turned up they would not have had it in stock. :rant:

Who did you speak to at Magic Muffler? The apprentice doesn't know jack from sh!t. I called him about fitting a lukey LR2779 (I even said "I want a Lukey LR2779"), he quoted me $140, said it was a bolt on and would take 30 mins and I said you beaut and booked it in. I called back in 5 mins after thinking it was a bit too cheap - spoke to Michael and the apprentice had thought I wanted to replace my muffler with another stock replacement :nuts: If I had turned up they would not have had it in stock. :rant:

Did you end up getting it done by them in the end and did they do a good job???

Did you end up getting it done by them in the end and did they do a good job???

I did. Looks ok, no leaks but I've got nothing to compare the welds they did to.

I've posted pics on the following thread:

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6774&highlight=accident

btw the accident happened the day after I got the lukey :cry:

Well they're on, I had the Pacemakers installed today, I am pretty impressed, was hoping for some more growl but only small gains there, but the power in 3rd is improved, and getting to 100+ is pretty swift. A Commodore S thought it would give me a run for my money and I had only really just got out of the driveway of Midas!, well needless to say I hope they didn't choke too much on my dust :badgrin: . After getting fined for speeding this morning (almost had licence suspended!) I better behave (and that was before I had the headers installed!!).

Oh, for those who remember my interesting dealings with Mr Muffler (MM), when I went to pay for today's work at Midas, the guy asked me out of the blue "can I ask how much Mr Muffler were trying to charge you?" :shock: I didn't tell them that I had gone to MM. With a smile he said "they called us after you left about your car", I couldn't believe it! all chance of me going back to MM is gone after that. I told Midas they got my business because they were honest and didn't stuff me around. That MM guy is a leech. :rant:

C'mon the next Vic cruise!!!!! :cool:

What exactly did MM say to Midas about you?

Sounds dodgy...or they are price fixing or something

What exactly did MM say to Midas about you?

Sounds dodgy...or they are price fixing or something
I am not sure exactly by I am 100% sure Midas is above board here because they knew nothing about MM being involved from me, I guess it was just when I told MM that Midas were going to match his price he must have got on the phone and phoned the nearest Midas (which is the one I went to) and either challenged them or gave them grief, I don't know. I suspect possibly the latter as Midas were a bit tongue in cheek about it like they wanted to tell me something about what was said.
Maybe just maybe MM called my bluff when I said they matched his price of $500 (from their quote of $550)as I never did call Midas back to see if they would go lower for the business like I told him, I just told him that to get rid of him as he had lost my confidence. (he Bulls***ted me so I did it right back!)
MM dropped their installation from $650 down to $500 in less than a minute to keep hold of me, which goes to show you just what sort of money these guys have play with for poor unsuspecting customers who wouldn't question a quoted price.
I don't want to portray all MM branches as being dodgy, it was just this guy who I found to be shifty with me. I could see it in his face, he found it difficult to look me in the eyes.

I don't think I gave my Pacemakers enough credit yesterday. I am much happier with them today after I went for a cruise last night, the car is a head turner now and has much more grunt! growl! I saw a wicked looking Magna (TH?) driving through the Croydon, Mooroolbark area last night heading up Mt Dandenong road, but I wasn't able to get close enough...I was turning at the lights... I am curious if it was anyone from here... it was two tone (burgundy/silver?) with a large spoiler on the back. Hard to see it went past so quick!
It's funny now though, it seems that drivers just hear the noise and want to challenge you, so far so good for MadMag. I haven't started anything (just finished it!! :D )
Sorry to the Falcon ute driver last night who thought he would tailgate then try to undertake me last night, I gave you a head start but sorry you lose! ahhh! lesson 1: Never underestimate your opponent! :badgrin:

MagMag vs VR(?) Commodore S => Magna Win :booty:
MagMag vs XF Falcon Ute => Magna Win :upyours: (for being a prick)

hahaha Excellent! Sounds like your investment has been worth it!

Be interesting to see how the new RPW ones stack up against the Pacemakers too.

you mean RPW are bringing out some extractors? hahahahaha.. damn. its been a while! lol

Be interesting to see how the new RPW ones stack up against the Pacemakers too.

I would say..

Pacemakers, fitting and installation $550

RPW: $800 just to look at them....

Gains would be minimal i think. Not to mention I think you'd get better customer service out of Pacemaker without the hassle of having to call someone STD and then have to send the piping back to them if there was a problem.

RPW's are cheaper than that, but still postage, install still makes it more expensive. I want to see some dyno results / progress!!!!!!!!!!!! End of finical year is at the end of the month, and I want to do something before then!

Has anyone had their pacemakers HPC coated?

Well ive had my exhaust on for about 6 weeks , and its not soundin good.
I took it back to Carline yesterday, and he put it up on the hoist, and listened, tapped and banged around the CAT.. Its stuffed, i need a new CAT, it rattles like hell, when idling and cruising :rant: .
Anyone else had this problem??
it is a nippleless Hi-Flow CAT, Part no:CC2.5 ($190)
I am getting it replaced om Tuesday, under Warranty of course.
NOT HAPPY CARLINE, but atleast they fixin it..

B4 you get the chips..
GET CAMS and the nessesery items to run the cams.. then PIstons and rods

Well ive had my exhaust on for about 6 weeks , and its not soundin good.
I took it back to Carline yesterday, and he put it up on the hoist, and listened, tapped and banged around the CAT.. Its stuffed, i need a new CAT, it rattles like hell, when idling and cruising :rant: .
Anyone else had this problem??
it is a nippleless Hi-Flow CAT, Part no:CC2.5 ($190)
I am getting it replaced om Tuesday, under Warranty of course.
NOT HAPPY CARLINE, but atleast they fixin it..

Carline Fixed the CAT, new walker hi flow, slightly differet but better, now it sounds like a sports zorst :D

can any one one with pacemakers fitted post a pic of thier car from underneith to show us how low they sit i lowered my te 1.5 inches and bit worried about how much they will hang down now i just order mien today for 340 the set not fitted

can any one one with pacemakers fitted post a pic of thier car from underneith to show us how low they sit i lowered my te 1.5 inches and bit worried about how much they will hang down now i just order mien today for 340 the set not fitted
It just so happens... (PLease note.. I have a 3.0L so they sit lower apparently)
http://neilk.customer.netspace.net.au/paceunder.jpg

I got my Pacemakers fitted last week, I'll post some pics up later (once you've seen one set you've seen them all) for now though I'll post my dyno chart comparing b&a fitment of the Pacemakers - see attached.

this is great to show people exactly what gain these give, i dont like that they have started the lines at 3000 rpm where it looks like the gains start, they should have shown 2-3000 rpm range as well, bec its important for everyday driving esp autos.

this is great to show people exactly what gain these give, i dont like that they have started the lines at 3000 rpm where it looks like the gains start, they should have shown 2-3000 rpm range as well, bec its important for everyday driving esp autos.Dont know about you.. But my auto never changes below 3500 - 4000....

Maybe I drive it a bit harder than the old man down the road...

That's a nice gain, Akko. How much did you notice it while driving? Any increase in noise from the headers? The exhaust note was changed, wasn't it? Any rattling from the flexpipe?

drivability is improved, feels especially good down low then nice power all the way through as the dyno chart suggests - at idle the exhaust now has a nice burble to it, otherwise the note is generally a little deeper than before.

No rattling from the flex-pipe thus far...

don't forget the wtzzzzzzzzz sound when you suddenly drop rpm to 3500rpm from redline say.

I'm not sure who you guys had fit your Pacemakers but Genie Performance Exhaust Centre (http://www.perth.citysearch.com.au/E/V/PERTH/0014/62/26/1.html) over here in Perth do a top job, i've not been able to fault their service or quality of work.

A mate of mine just had a cat back system installed by them for his Liberty, it sounds fantastic and he too has had zero problems with their work.

It doesn't matter where you install it, extractors are louder than stock headers and the 3500rpm buzz could vary depending on different sets of pacemakers. Got nothing to do with who installs it. Most people with pacemakers would have heard this tzzzzzzzz buzz before.

Dont know about you.. But my auto never changes below 3500 - 4000....

Maybe I drive it a bit harder than the old man down the road...


and i bet u always break traction and get the wheels spinning with the tacho over 3'000 right from takeoff too! lol na seriously, u always need to pull through 2-3000 b4 shifs in 1st at least, plus the combination of a high ration 1st and low stall makes torque in that range important, especially if the slow old man is in the traffic ahead of you :cry:

It doesn't matter where you install it, extractors are louder than stock headers and the 3500rpm buzz could vary depending on different sets of pacemakers. Got nothing to do with who installs it. Most people with pacemakers would have heard this tzzzzzzzz buzz before.

i think that noise would have to be vibration in the extractors and flex at the flex pipe, if u added an extra mount just after the flex pipe, probably just between that and the cat it should cut down that vibration. when i asked for pacemakers and they suggested the wildcats instead, they claimed they were better because of the extra flex pipe, one each for the front and rear bank of cyls :cool:

and i bet u always break traction and get the wheels spinning with the tacho over 3'000 right from takeoff too!
Nah my take off is from 700rpm (im a tiptronic..) if i jam my foot to the floor i will get heaps of axle tramp, so i kind of pump it to half way to get it rolling and then go the rest of the way to the floor..

yer i really wish i had the 5sp tiptronic to keep it in the zone, they the way to go. :cool: