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VDY-101
06-04-2009, 09:04 AM
would an engine from the 3000gt fit into a magna me and a mate were talking about it last night.
maybe someone here knows

flatshift47
06-04-2009, 09:18 AM
fits a second gen. 3rd gen would be possible, with enough money to throw at it, gearbox is on the wrong side.

VDY-101
06-04-2009, 09:42 AM
is the engine 6g74 or 72 in the 3000.
what about the engine out of a legum that came up as well

perry
06-04-2009, 10:36 AM
would an engine from the 3000gt fit into a magna me and a mate were talking about it last night.
maybe someone here knows


the 6G72 DOHC with will not fit a 3rd gen mate, the gear box is on the wrong side

matty.c
06-04-2009, 10:38 AM
it's a 72 3.0L in the 3000gt, i think i saw somewhere they did come out with a different engine though? EDIT - that was just other versions of the 6G72, including SOHC 12v models

to keep FWD you would need a 2nd gen box, then make mounts, and i'd expect some half shaft from this and that to get into the hubs..

what would be fun would be to use the 4wd box in it, and rear diff in a 4wd platform 3rd gen (assuming the diff ratio's are different)...


as mentioned.. with enough money anything can be done!!

VDY-101
06-04-2009, 10:42 AM
yeah i heard the 3000 came with a factory tuned 6g74 twin turbo please correct me if im wrong

Supra_t
06-04-2009, 10:46 AM
Do the heads on the GTO bolt up to a magna engine?

matty.c
06-04-2009, 10:50 AM
- Yes -

*i'm speaking only from what i have read on this forum*

one could only assume, as SOHC heads are interchangeable, and the 72 bare block AFAIK is the same.. ports are different though..

Supra_t
06-04-2009, 10:54 AM
- Yes -

*i'm speaking only from what i have read on this forum*

one could only assume, as SOHC heads are interchangeable, and the 72 bare block AFAIK is the same.. ports are different though..

I guess the next question is, is there enough room for the manifolds and turbos in the magna bay?

VDY-101
06-04-2009, 11:30 AM
has anyone attempted a vr4 galant engine conversion for a 3rd gen

matty.c
06-04-2009, 12:40 PM
i think everyone has come to the conclusion that it makes power/torque in the wrong places for such a heavy car..

BUT.. the 2.5TT seems pretty good...... ON PAPER

[TUFFTR]
06-04-2009, 04:03 PM
yeah i heard the 3000 came with a factory tuned 6g74 twin turbo please correct me if im wrong

Very wrong.
3000 = 3L
They only came out in 3L versions. Either SOHC (Same as 2nd gen) or DOHC.
Alot needs to be done in order to fit DOHC heads up to the 3rd gen block. No-one knows exactly just how much screwing around there is YET
Engine will not fit in 3rd gen. Heads should line up with a 3rd gen block from what I've read on these forums.

There is a guy in Vic who put a 2.5LTT engine in his TH....Can get pics....

Screamin TE
06-04-2009, 04:20 PM
heads are a direct drop on. its just the accessories that are the difficult part.

GoTRICE
06-04-2009, 07:26 PM
i think everyone has come to the conclusion that it makes power/torque in the wrong places for such a heavy car..

BUT.. the 2.5TT seems pretty good...... ON PAPER

450Nm from 1500rpm onwards in 93'....:nuts:

I would be semi confident the 2.5TT will bolt up to your gbox. Take a gbox to a place with an engine and see if itll slip on. Give a 50$ to let you try if need be.

SupremeMoFo
06-04-2009, 07:46 PM
GTO/3000GT = 6G72TT

8th gen Galant/Legnum VR4 = 6A13TT and yes one has been put into a third gen

6A13TT, theoretically, shares 5 speed auto with Evo GT-A and Magna I think so it may bolt up but you have to sort out what you'll do about an engine designed for an AWD gearbox in a FWD car.

6A13TT also runs out of breath because of the baby turbos. It runs better with a conversion to a single larger turbo

Disciple
07-04-2009, 05:12 AM
450Nm from 1500rpm onwards in 93'....:nuts:

I would be semi confident the 2.5TT will bolt up to your gbox. Take a gbox to a place with an engine and see if itll slip on. Give a 50$ to let you try if need be.
3000GT, Taken from Wiki.

DOHC 24v V6 twin turbo - 221 kW (300 PS; 296 hp) at 6000 rpm - 415 N·m (306 ft·lbf) at 2500 rpm

DOHC 24v V6 twin turbo - 206 kW (280 PS; 276 hp) at 6000 rpm - 427 N·m (315 ft·lbf) at 2500 rpm

6A13TT according to Wiki made 206kW, 363Nm.

So what exactly are you talking about? :facejump:

VDY-101
07-04-2009, 07:20 AM
']Very wrong.
3000 = 3L
They only came out in 3L versions. Either SOHC (Same as 2nd gen) or DOHC.
Alot needs to be done in order to fit DOHC heads up to the 3rd gen block. No-one knows exactly just how much screwing around there is YET
Engine will not fit in 3rd gen. Heads should line up with a 3rd gen block from what I've read on these forums.

There is a guy in Vic who put a 2.5LTT engine in his TH....Can get pics....
pics would be awesome

NORBY
07-04-2009, 07:26 AM
IIRC it was a white station wagon up in bright?

GoTRICE
07-04-2009, 02:58 PM
3000GT, Taken from Wiki.

DOHC 24v V6 twin turbo - 221 kW (300 PS; 296 hp) at 6000 rpm - 415 N·m (306 ft·lbf) at 2500 rpm

DOHC 24v V6 twin turbo - 206 kW (280 PS; 276 hp) at 6000 rpm - 427 N·m (315 ft·lbf) at 2500 rpm

6A13TT according to Wiki made 206kW, 363Nm.

So what exactly are you talking about? :facejump:

meh 430Nm from early in the rev range is still well ahead of the times; obviously i was 1000rpm out.

The point is obvious but solid nit picking.

[TUFFTR]
07-04-2009, 04:24 PM
IIRC it was a white station wagon up in bright?
IMASLY
And also this one
Myspace link
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VDY-101
07-04-2009, 09:24 PM
']IMASLY
And also this one
Myspace link
http://www.myspace.com/ryanleslie86
http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/85/l_f08267257ed9623deda325e59fcc5bd3.jpg
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/62/l_58e17c30645f4e63bd8f5e4aa69d3efe.jpg
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went on the myspace and looked at it, its friken awesome whats this white wagon people are talking about

[TUFFTR]
07-04-2009, 09:32 PM
went on the myspace and looked at it, its friken awesone whats this white wagon people are talking about
Can you tell him to join? Ive bugged him for weeks, still hasnt joined....
Well his wing is GAY and bonnet is Meh but yeah rest is not bad

VDY-101
07-04-2009, 09:41 PM
']Can you tell him to join? Ive bugged him for weeks, still hasnt joined....
Well his wing is GAY and bonnet is Meh but yeah rest is not bad
sorry the engine conversion is awesome wing is gay and so is the bonet.

Benno
04-06-2009, 04:09 PM
Thats trey awesome. As it appears that to put a 3.5 into my 3L requires an engineers cert anyway, maybe this would be a more worth while swap. Be interesting to find out how much went into it

Dave
04-06-2009, 05:18 PM
possibility of putting the engine in backwards? BTCC cars did this in the 90's. New pipework for IC and custom mounts for sure but at least gearbox will be on the right side.

Cruiser
04-06-2009, 06:04 PM
GTO DOHC motor being referenced there I presume (since the 2.5 TT above requires no rotation, if I recall).

If you used a Second Gen or GTO gearbox, you face the issue of the differential. When the 3000GT motor is mounted into a Second Gen or 3000GT, the differential of the transaxle is mounted behind the engine (closest to the firewall). If you rotated the motor, the differential would be at the front of the engine, so there's absolutely no way the driveshafts would line up. As a matter of fact, they would be off by quite a distance too.

If you used a 3rd Gen Magna gearbox... well I can't recall if it would bolt up directly or not, but it's unlikely. If it did, then perhaps the idea isn't as flawed as initially thought.

Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, but I think that's the way it works. I had to do "hand diagrams" to convince myself of the logic behind it, which isn't usually a good sign... lol

* Differential may/may not be the correct terminology... bad memory but i'm going off of wikipedia. The output of the transaxle is generally what I mean.

[TUFFTR]
04-06-2009, 09:12 PM
Well considering its still a 6G7 series engine, The 3rd gen gearbox could bolt up. But it'd be less work bolting 3L DOHC heads onto a 3rd gen motor (have to use 93+ onwards heads with seperate crank/cam sensors) and getting that to work

Alan J
08-06-2009, 12:00 PM
possibility of putting the engine in backwards? BTCC cars did this in the 90's.

Don't know of any BTCC Supertourers with reversed engines. Many had reversed heads, and that was a lot of work and expensive just for a nicer exhaust, cleaner inlet entry and a bit less heat under the bonnet.

Cheers,
Alan

TZABOY
08-06-2009, 01:19 PM
can anyone confirm if a 2nd gen 6G72 block is the same as a 3rd gen 6G72 block? obviously the heads were changed between models and mounts for FWD/RWD/AWD applications. If the blocks are the same, it might be able to be done.

Cruiser
08-06-2009, 02:01 PM
Looking in the parts catalogue for head gaskets, the oil galleries on the Second Gen 6G72 and Third Gen 6G72 are definitely not in the same places, so I doubt the blocks are the same.