I was wondering if any one had any info on either turboing or twin turboing a tl magna or having any pictures of turbo'd gen 3.5 magna's:happy: thanks heaps

there is loads of info on here mate. do a search and you will find loads.

there seems to be more people s/c ing now, rather than turbo tho.

how i would do it

get a single turbo manifold from the US, 3000gt i think? Paul knows what it is. Get the end plates cut off and some stock magna ones welded on

Get a largish single turbo, something off a stock xr6 turbo would be perfect

water to air intercooler from frozenboost

aftermarket ecu

Low boost and some nice tuning would make a nice steeter, and reasonably stealthy

i prefer the diea of a larger single turbo because boost comes on later, trying to launch a stock non lsd magna is hard enough, with low down boost would be near impossible!

i will be getting a lsd for the magna

how i would do it

get a single turbo manifold from the US, 3000gt i think? Paul knows what it is. Get the end plates cut off and some stock magna ones welded on

Get a largish single turbo, something off a stock xr6 turbo would be perfect

water to air intercooler from frozenboost

aftermarket ecu

Low boost and some nice tuning would make a nice steeter, and reasonably stealthy

i prefer the diea of a larger single turbo because boost comes on later, trying to launch a stock non lsd magna is hard enough, with low down boost would be near impossible!

Was reading through an issue of FastFours yesterday, had an FTO in there with a galant 6A13TT conversion and single turbo'd it. No internal work needed. 305fwkw. Still running standard FTO diff.

Although smaller.....I know where I'd be spending my money.....6A13TT + GT35/40 = plenty of fun

Also, if you plan on T'ing the standard 3.5L make sure you have about $8K spare, if you dont, either gather more info in the meantime and save, or keep dreaming! :P

i can afford it i just wanted feed back and info if anyone has done it on a tl thats all i didn't smart remarks thanks

All the info you could need...

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36898&highlight=black+beard+twin+turbo

Thanks for that :happy:

Thanks for that :happy:
That's if you wanna spend $15K and have 2x of everything. I'd go single turbo time and time again. only 1x of everything and less hassle if you ask me if anything goes wrong.

tufftr thanks for the in put i was just reading about black beards twins and i don't think i want that the single is sounding better or i might follow in the the foot steps of a friend of mine and supercharge instead i'm still reading up on all possible outcomes :happy:

id turbo it mate, not as many people have done compared to S/C and plus after readying bout Mohit's problems with his S/C id go turbo for sure.

id turbo it mate, not as many people have done compared to S/C and plus after readying bout Mohit's problems with his S/C id go turbo for sure.
Mohits? :bowrofl: I can think of 4 people at least who's engines have gone BANG! Way bigger problems then mohit's :P

Mohits problems werent really supercharger related, plus the last big turbo magna that was going around caught fire and melted to the ground, so your reliability claim is out the window there.

If you want to see a big BIG write up on turboing a 3.5 magna go to RPWs website.

single turbo, something different, besides, turbos pull chicks

id turbo it mate, not as many people have done compared to S/C and plus after readying bout Mohit's problems with his S/C id go turbo for sure.
You're going to have the same problems with a single turbo setup, and that is the weak pistons in the Magna engine and the reliability of the drivetrain.

Twizted, more imfo- FWD, AWD, were you you want to use it etc. does make a difference to the system required.

Cheers Dave

Way more support/knowledge for the supercharger. To be honest, whatever you do, you could run into issues. Depends on whether or not you boost it to a high level.
I cant think of anyone who had a directly-related issue to their Sprintex and ran it dead stock. All the people who've had a BANG! as far as I know, did some track work, or had a fair amount of other work done.

You're going to have the same problems with a single turbo setup, and that is the weak pistons in the Magna engine and the reliability of the drivetrain.

DISCIPLE is on the money here. Positive displacement is the same thing regardless of its source, and it doesnt matter how it comes about, it still means a massive increase in cylinder pressures, and a greatly increased risk or ba-boom.

You can only go so rich aswell (to keep it safe), and i doubt very much its the tune causing these bangs, just a little too much stress, for a little too long.

Way more support/knowledge for the supercharger. To be honest, whatever you do, you could run into issues. Depends on whether or not you boost it to a high level.
I cant think of anyone who had a directly-related issue to their Sprintex and ran it dead stock. All the people who've had a BANG! as far as I know, did some track work, or had a fair amount of other work done.

Disagree, Explain that more?
You don't have to be Einstein to work out how to pick a turbocharger for your engine size, locate it, and join it all together with pipes.

When i charge it either supercharge or turbo i will be only running on low psi and will be beef up "weak" area's of the magna that are already been noted. All i want is a forced injected car but i don't want a monster i want to drive it daily and it to be reliable for that purpose only. Thanks for all feed back if any one cause more info on the subject PLEASE add it or give directions to it so i can read thanks :happy:

']Disagree, Explain that more?
You don't have to be Einstein to work out how to pick a turbocharger for your engine size, locate it, and join it all together with pipes.

Count the number of people on AMC who've done Turbo to Supercharger. Im quite confident S/C wins. Not saying there isn't info for a Turbo, but if I was tossing up between the two, I'd be more confident about having a strong knowledge base on the S/C.

Count the number of people on AMC who've done Turbo to Supercharger. Im quite confident S/C wins. Not saying there isn't info for a Turbo, but if I was tossing up between the two, I'd be more confident about having a strong knowledge base on the S/C.

SC wins what....Seriously.....what does SC win...the fact that to get a measly 155-170kw atw's with a sprintex you had to blow $10K? Hmmmm thats not win.

The raptor and bullet chargers look the goods though.

lol man there is PLENTY of information available on turbos EVERYWHERE. Seriously, just need to do some research as you do with every modifcation.

If anything, its the supercharger which has less of a knowledge base.

i.e.
Intercooler, lets say T70 turbo, TIAL Wastegate, bov (?) Assorted intercooler piping, piggyback ECU, upgraded injectors....
Just yeah dude not understanding what you mean when you say SC wins....Do some more research into turbo and then come back to me :happy:

']SC wins what....Seriously.....what does SC win...the fact that to get a measly 155-170kw atw's with a sprintex you had to blow $10K? Hmmmm thats not win.

The raptor and bullet chargers look the goods though.

lol man there is PLENTY of information available on turbos EVERYWHERE. Seriously, just need to do some research as you do with every modifcation.

If anything, its the supercharger which has less of a knowledge base.

i.e.
Intercooler, lets say T70 turbo, TIAL Wastegate, bov (?) Assorted intercooler piping, piggyback ECU, upgraded injectors....
Just yeah dude not understanding what you mean when you say SC wins....Do some more research into turbo and then come back to me :happy:

I understand your point. I'm not saying the S/C wins with power, I still believe there is a stronger knowledge base in regards to the Magna specifically and F/I using a S/C. I used Sprintex as an example because they are the best known. How many Raptor/Bullets are running on AMC right now? Im not sure. I'd hope theres a few.

But ANYWAY, to the OP, go for what you want, a single large turbo would be cool, but if I was in your position, I'd head towards an S/C, as I'd be more confident I can use the examples of the many who have already S/C'd their Magnas/Veradas and then use they best of each example to create a reliable, powerful (for the Magna anyway) and not-overtly expensive machine.

IMHO Unless you REALLY want to own a money pit, just do the usual boltons.. exhaust, intake, tune.

If you are 100% you want FI, buy a kit supercharger from the likes of raptor. I wouldn't even bother looking at a custom turbo kit. There is just too much hassle, money, time and pain involved...

You could always sell up and buy a factory turbo car..? :ninja:\

I almost went down the same path, And I can tell you now, I am 100% happy I didn't throw money at the magna like that..

IMHO Unless you REALLY want to own a money pit, just do the usual boltons.. exhaust, intake, tune.

If you are 100% you want FI, buy a kit supercharger from the likes of raptor. I wouldn't even bother looking at a custom turbo kit. There is just too much hassle, money, time and pain involved...

You could always sell up and buy a factory turbo car..? :ninja:\

I almost went down the same path, And I can tell you now, I am 100% happy I didn't throw money at the magna like that..
I was in the same boat with my Ralliart. I got a quote on a single turbo setup for $9k, thought about supercharging too, but in the end made the best decision I could have.

Has anyone looked at a custom S/C setup, apart from the tune its just belts, pulleys and brackets. cant be that much to it. If you buy a charger on its own, make your own brackets and stuff youd save a bit of money on what raptor or watever is charging

Has anyone looked at a custom S/C setup, apart from the tune its just belts, pulleys and brackets. cant be that much to it. If you buy a charger on its own, make your own brackets and stuff youd save a bit of money on what raptor or watever is charging
Pete, QMD801 got a custom supercharger setup from Bullet or wherever. Pretty sure they did all the spanner work tho. The Raptor kit is pretty good value for money if you're going to go down that route. They will sell you the kit if you're handy with a spanner to install it yourself and have it tuned you could save a bit of coin that way. But again, you'd want to be really confident with the tuner because so many Magnas have fallen at the knees of the almighty supercharging gods.

Twizted heres some interesting articles for you:

http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_109931/article.html

http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_2786/article.html

supercharging is easy now, but if price is no option id go a big single turbo

i made the same decision as tonba and disciple, after losing $20k i pulled the pin on my magna and got a different car as a better starting point, best decision i made.

but the good point about having a FI magna is the looks on commodore drivers faces in your mirrors! priceless lol

DISCIPLE is on the money here. Positive displacement is the same thing regardless of its source, and it doesnt matter how it comes about, it still means a massive increase in cylinder pressures, and a greatly increased risk or ba-boom.

You can only go so rich aswell (to keep it safe), and i doubt very much its the tune causing these bangs, just a little too much stress, for a little too long.

in my instance I'm 100% certain that my tune was responsible for the damage to my engine. I had done multiple track days on the Sprintex tune with no issues and since the rebuild I've done 2 track days and a hillclimb on the same tune. it was only when I went to the track on a different tune that I popped a piston.

given the problems everyone has had with FI into 6G74s, on stock internals I would not run more than 7psi. I would also not run without a safe tune which can retard timing and add fuel (or water/meth) based on intake temps. if you can, put an intercooler in the path so that intake temps don't get too hot in the first place.

I like the supercharging option personally. if you can find a second hand Sprintex there is a lot of good info on these forums and helpful members if you get into a jam. Raptor are new to the scene, but they have pretty good support so far as I can tell. turbo is always going to be custom, so setup and tune will be unique to your car. if you can find a good tuner you should be fine.

which ever way you go, people will always ask why you're wasting money on a Magna... it goes with the territory. yeah, you could start with an Evo, Skyline, 180sx, WRX, or a Ford or Holden, but those are a dime a dozen. a nicely setup Magna is just as fast around town, and less common.

cheers,
.wook

in my instance I'm 100% certain that my tune was responsible for the damage to my engine. I had done multiple track days on the Sprintex tune with no issues and since the rebuild I've done 2 track days and a hillclimb on the same tune. it was only when I went to the track on a different tune that I popped a piston.

given the problems everyone has had with FI into 6G74s, on stock internals I would not run more than 7psi. I would also not run without a safe tune which can retard timing and add fuel (or water/meth) based on intake temps. if you can, put an intercooler in the path so that intake temps don't get too hot in the first place.

I like the supercharging option personally. if you can find a second hand Sprintex there is a lot of good info on these forums and helpful members if you get into a jam. Raptor are new to the scene, but they have pretty good support so far as I can tell. turbo is always going to be custom, so setup and tune will be unique to your car. if you can find a good tuner you should be fine.

which ever way you go, people will always ask why you're wasting money on a Magna... it goes with the territory. yeah, you could start with an Evo, Skyline, 180sx, WRX, or a Ford or Holden, but those are a dime a dozen. a nicely setup Magna is just as fast around town, and less common.

cheers,
.wook

I also believe, if you really want good power out of your magna, go for an off the shelf supercharger kit. Less hassles, and less money down the drain.

In saying that, bolting a supercharger to a high KM motor, may also not be the best of ideas.. you would just be asking for trouble.

Its also not always about being 'less common'.. not everyone is made of money and can rebuild and repair when things go REALLY wrong. Sometimes it really is easyer to buy a car 'more common', because it usually means there is more know how, and cheaper + more available parts. Enjoy the car for what it is.

For example, some of my family whinge about my car.. its too still.. too loud.. etc. But im not trying to make it out to be some sort of luxury family car.. I race it. Its a four door race car. Its not built for comfort.

Im just offering my advice. I have found my evo MUCH more rewarding, and it was worth the extra outlay for a car that is already built for everything you are trying to achieve in your magna. I have been there, I have done that and I couldn't be happier with my decision.. Just food for thought. I dont expect everyone to agree. A magna is good for what it is..

Now Im not telling everyone to sell up.. But if something goes wrong.. It will cost alot of coin.

(PS I would love a magna as my DD.. haha)

just a q... doesnt running a single turbo make for rough running from the extra restriction in one bank?
or is it fitted just before the cat?

just a q... doesnt running a single turbo make for rough running from the extra restriction in one bank?
or is it fitted just before the cat?
Both manifolds go to the one turbo.....lulz

3000GT single turbo setup using T70 turbo
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/DSC_0305.jpg
Not the most *ideal* setup but hes done it VERY VERY cheaply

i too looked at s/c or turboing my magna ralliart.. i too decided it was a waste of money and bought the evo... as tonba said the evo is alot more rewarding to mod....

in saying that my personal opinon would be to go with a single turbo...